This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Zimmerman Graver Ward Downs Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZJYBAEB/442.630.632.634.1.1 Message Board Post: I am trying to find the names of my Grandfather's parents. I think they were Joseph Zimmerman and Catherine ?. Do you have any info that would help me? Pauline

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Zimmerman, Miller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZJYBAEB/1118 Message Board Post: Looking for info on Christian and Linda Zimmerman who came to America in 1881 to Grand Rapids (now Wisconsin Rapids), WI. They had at least one daughter, Bertha b. 18 FEB 1847, who is my gg grandmother. Hoping to find out more about Bertha's siblings, where in Germany they originated, and any other available info.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HAGAN; BARBER; FOWLER; RAMSOWER; PURDY; RIGGS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZJYBAEB/1117 Message Board Post: Isabele E. Zimmerman removed Matilda Fowler (Hagan) to the common grave of Matilda's daughter, Eleanor A. Fowler, Mt. Olivet Cemetery, Frederick County, MD. Who was this Isabele? How does she relate to this Matilda Fowler Hagan, nee Barber?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZJYBAEB/1099.2.2.1.1 Message Board Post: My great-great grandfather was Oscar Zimmerman and his father was Carl Zimmerman. They had 4 boys and one girl and came to the U.S. in 1870 and settled in Avon or Buffalo and manufactured bricks by hand. They came from Sweden.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Zimmerman Ward Graver Downs Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZJYBAEB/1099.2.2.1 Message Board Post: My Grandfather Joseph Z. was born in 1878. His death certificate states that he was born in St. Cloud. I found a family in the 1880 census in Albany that might be his family. Joseph's father was also Joseph. Is this your family?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZJYBAEB/1099.2.2 Message Board Post: I have Zimmerman relatives that immigrated in 1870 to Avon or Buffalo, MN. Is there a relation to these Zimmerman's? Oscar, was my great-great grandfather and he was born in Sweden. Will share more info.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZJYBAEB/1116 Message Board Post: Loking for the parnets of Edward born 1872. Raised his familyin Verona mo. had 10 children. Any help Please Too Many brickwalls. Thanks Mike G Grandson

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ZIMMERMAN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZJYBAEB/1114 Message Board Post: I photographed this tombstone in the Moore Cemetery, Arlington, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. This is one of the 26,796 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZJYBAEB/1063.1 Message Board Post: Hi! Pete my i ask which reunion you are looking for ? My dad's family reunion was in July of this year in Michigan. My name is Jane Zimmerman, you can contact me @ strikingairware@gateway.net (if gateway does not work try aol.com) or mj_6061@yahoo.com Please let me know if i can help.

hmmm, I don't think those are related to mine. Hope it will help someone else. Thanks anyway Kathy

Hi Kathy Darlene here. My Zimmerman roots start in Alsas-Lorrain, Germany to Sulz South Russia. From there I have a copy of immigration to Ellis Island, via the ship Kroonland in 1908, April 01. by my grandfather Anton Zimmerman, son of Heinrich. From there he made his way to South and North Daktoa, to Sedley Saskatchewan and stopped at Abbey Saskatchewan where he raised his family. -----Original Message----- From: SouthLover@aol.com [mailto:SouthLover@aol.com] Sent: 11-Nov-02 12:53 To: ZIMMERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ZIMMERMAN-L] Re: 1804 vook I would be interested in hearing more about the book. My Zimmermans became CARPENTERs very early in PA for the most part. Some (though not my direct line) held onto Zimmerman a little longer. My family did have several John Zimmerman/Carpenter men. Does it tend to take place in a particular geographic area? My family was Switzerland to PA to OH. Thank you Kathy ==== ZIMMERMAN Mailing List ==== Visit Daisy's Zimmerman Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/zimmerman.htm

I would be interested in hearing more about the book. My Zimmermans became CARPENTERs very early in PA for the most part. Some (though not my direct line) held onto Zimmerman a little longer. My family did have several John Zimmerman/Carpenter men. Does it tend to take place in a particular geographic area? My family was Switzerland to PA to OH. Thank you Kathy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ZIMMERMAN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZJYBAEB/1113 Message Board Post: Hi Tony, I'm passing a copy of this message on the the Carpenter Forrum and I will post in on another Zimmerman page also. Thanks for sharing this! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Carpenter To: John R Carpenter Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:59 AM Subject: The book of John George Zimmerman. Dear John Came across an old book Dated 1804 in one of our local book shops, The name Zimmerman caught my eye, I purchase it as I thought it might be of interest as there seems to be some interest on our site on this name. Imagine my surprise when researching in the Carpenters disks the name John George Zimmerman came up. The book contains his whole life story, plus his works on 'SOLITUDE or the effects of occasional Retirement' Is there any Zimmerman's still researching their family tree that would be interested in the Book. Tony in the UK tony.c29@btinternet.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: weimer stone zimmerman herman bower Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZJYBAEB/1112 Message Board Post: bessie r weimer 3/1884 married earl bstone 1884-3 / 1930 2 daughters kathyrn and maizie bessie was the daughter of john william and racheal bower weimer granddaughter of kattherine elizabeth zimmerman weimer and william john weimer katherine elizabeth zimmerman weimer was the sister of john zimmerman the Mason Merrchant of flint mi

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CARPENTER ZIMMERMAN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZJYBAEB/1111 Message Board Post: Carpenter Family DNA Project aka Carpenter Cousins Surname Project (Carpenter, Carpentier, Charpentier, Zimmerman) NOTE: Some Carpenter Families of German or Swiss ancestry has had questionable genealogy done. The same is true for those of New England or English descent. Some have theorized that some of the German/Swiss lines may be related to the French Carpentier (& variant) lines. In an effort to help solve these questions, and other questions, we are starting a DNA-Y study. We are now accepting DNA samples from any male Carpenter or Zimmerman Family members interested in using this new technology to assist in their efforts to ascertain their ancestry. These tests can only be done on all-male Carpenter (Zimmerman) direct descendants, thus only males still carrying the Carpenter surname (or Carpentier, Carpender, Charpentier, Zimmerman or similar). If you are not such a Carpenter, you may have a close relative who is, which would in essence verify your own connections, and other relatives. The DNA testing Lab we use is, FamilyTree DNA. They have a group rate which charges $99 for the basic 12 marker test at this writing, and $169 for an extended 25 marker test. These prices are per a single male DNA sample submitted. If these prices change, you will be advised when you place your order with the Lab. To get these special group prices, your kit must be ordered through our group. The testing is done on DNA from the "Y chromosome", which is only found in males. This DNA is passed directly from Father to son, with no input from the female parent. These "markers" remain virtually identical for many generations, with only very slight mutations over time. Thus, anyone descended directly, all-male, from someone up to at least 500 years ago will have extremely similar Y-DNA markers. The advantage in an extended 25 marker test is that it may provide a closer idea of where the relationship may be. It provides better than a 90% accuracy over 14 generations. The testing procedure is very simple, amounting to brushing the inside of the cheek with a sterile brush provided in the kit. Complete instructions, an invoice and a waiver form also comes with the kit. The goal is to establish "Y-DNA footprints" of several Carpenter Branches in America and other countries. Your test may be reasonably expected to ascertain that we have a common family progenitor who with others may "match." Thus proving through science an earlier connection to any Carpenter already tested. This test cannot show exactly what this connection is, nor the actual lineage back to the progenitor of the common ancestor. However, this test can certainly narrow down your possibilities for further research. For example, if you have a "dead end" Carpenter, it can prove if you are associated with other Carpenter Lines or one of several others. The DNA kits, when ordered, are sent out directly by the Lab. They are returned directly to the Lab. Results are provided directly to you, and also the group Administrator. The Lab reviews the results not only for matches, but close similarities, and notifies you of the earliest known ancestry of any that are found. Your results are also kept for further matches in the future. This means if another Family name tested is similar or closely similar to yours, you will be contacted by e-mail - if you chose to participate. Your own identity is kept confidential if you prefer, only your early known ancestry being provided to others that match. It is certainly hopeful that this would not only be helpful to those who participate, but also establish many heretofore unknown-relationships between any of the early Carpenters Families that came to America, stayed in England or went elsewhere. You can sign up at: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=E85540 Y-DNA -- 1 Male 12 marker paternal test ..... $99.00 (Group Rate) Y-DNAPlus -- 1 Male 25 marker paternal test ..... $169.00 (Group Rate) * *Preferred for testing of 14 generations or older relationships. You will need a credit card to pay for the test kit. Please follow the simple instructions. If you are in the CE CD 2001 or you know which Carpenter Branch you are in, please place this in the notes when you register. The main Family Tree DNA web page is at: http://www.ftdna.com/ Carpenter Cousins Surname Project http://www.ftdna.com/surname_det.asp?count=3&group=Carpenter I encourage at least one male from each Carpenter Family group to submit a sample. Sharing the costs within each Carpenter Family Group will help. Give a Family Christmas Present! Submit a male Carpenter DNA sample from your Family Group! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA 1 Nov. 2002 jrcrin001@cox.net MORE: Dear Robin, Where were you when we were talking about this in Clearwater, FL last August? You ask the right questions! There are 4 samples in process and some 17 others saying they are interested in submitting. This is not bad since we are just going "public." You wrote: "The value of the project will increase dramatically the more participants we have." You are exactly on target. The more samples the better the value of comparisons. When people sign up on the web page for the test kits, they fill in the basic information. There is a notes section which I encourage all to use. Listing the CE CD RIN number or which branch they come from will really help. The Group Administrator only has access to this for comparison purposes. Everyone is given and known as a code number otherwise. When enough samples are collected we will post using those code numbers. Those that wish to allow their names to be used will be contacted before we post. If they are in the CE CD or added later, I encourage them to place the marker codes under a DNA section for future references. In addition, people who submit samples can opt for being in a general pool. There they will be notified if any one else matches (including non-Carpenters), or closely matches the results. This by E-Mail only. Sincerely, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Carpenter" <ANALYTIX@valley.net> To: "John R. Carpenter" <jrcrin001@cox.net> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:04 AM Subject: DNA Project > Hello John: > Thanks for the clarifications. Big help. > It sounds like there are only a very small number of joiners so far. > (Maybe as few as 4??) Is that right? The value of the project will > increase dramatically the more participants we have. (If my $169 buys > 5-or-6 comparisons that's not nearly so valuable as 50-or-60 comparisons for > the same $169.) So it pays to promote participation strongly. Toward that > end, I should think the issue of resolving some historically unclear > relations may be more compelling (to some people) than, e.g., estimating how > may zillions of generations back we can find a common ancestor...an ancestor > who is going remain anonymous in any case. > (Of course, a competing force in this matter is that a substantial number > of researchers have their own settled notion of who's who and what's > what--who may have filled-in some "holes" with facts with assumptions of > their own--and may experience some reluctance about a project that could > dislodge their conviction.) > Anyway, here's an idea/question; would it be useful to ask signers-up to > post their names publicly on the list? This would not help if in fact we > only have 4-or-5 people (for the perceived value reason cited above.) But > if we have a good list, and several new participants each week, perhaps > there could be a bandwagon effect. (On the other hand, we wouldn't want to > drive people away if they do NOT want to post their name.) > Robin > > > At 03:26 PM 11/3/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Robin, > > > >"It would seem that any two present day Carpenter males would be able to > >establish a genetic "distance" between them." > > > >Correct! If we had a Carpenter descendant from the Rehoboth, MA branch and > >one from the Providence, RI branch compare samples, they should (barring > >adoptions, illegettimates, and such) have a common ancestor. This is the > >current belief. DNA sampling (using the 25 marker test) allows more than a > >90% accuracy rate over 14 generations to the common ancestor. > > > >"Thus, every participant would find a quantifiable "distance" between > >himself and every other participant. From such a matrix of "distances" I > >should think it would become quite clear who belongs where in the master > >tree." > > > >Correct! Boy, I wished I could have said this first! This is assuming that > >all participants have a common male ancestor. Science will confirm, within > >reason, the DNA-Y matches and correlations. > > > >"Finally, does this project offer any possibility for NON-Carpenter > >linkages?" > > > >Yes. You can add your male DNA sample to the common pool for future > >correlations. Using computer matching, if a male "Clark" matches or closely > >matches your male DNA-Y results - you will be notified. A release form is > >needed to place your results (by code number) into a common pool. See the > >web page below for details. > > > >I appreciate the input! > > > >John R. Carpenter > >La Mesa, CA > > > >http://www.ftdna.com/description.html > >Regarding 12/25 marker DNA- Y tests: > >... tests the Y chromosome for genetic matches between males. Results are > >placed in our Y-DNA database and when 2 people show the same identical or > >near identical results, we will inform both parties if you have both signed > >the FTDNA Release Form. A perfect match of 25 markers means a lesser number > >of generations before a Most Common Recent Ancestor (MRCA) can be > >determined. The customer receives a Certificate & report generally > >describing Y-DNA sequencing and the meaning of probability between matches. > > > >---- Original Message ----- > >From: "Robin Carpenter" <ANALYTIX@valley.net> > >To: <jrcrin001@cox.net> > >Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 2:44 PM > >Subject: DNA > > > > > >> > >> >Hello John: > >> > The DNA project sounds great! But help me to understand something.... > >> > > >> > It seems to me there must be more info to be had from this project > >than > >> is being said. It would seem that any two present day Carpenter males > >would > >> be able to establish a genetic "distance" between them. That is, my > >brother > >> and I would prove to be nearly identical (in this DNA sense), while my > >> cousin and I would be just a little less similar, 2nd cousins still less > >> similar, and so on. Thus, every participant would find a quantifiable > >> "distance" between himself and every other participant. From such a > >matrix > >> of "distances" I should think it would become quite clear who belongs > >where > >> in the master tree. I realize there are minor random variations so the > >> inference is imperfect, but wouldn't we expect a pretty clear resolution > >of > >> dead ends?? > >> > Take my own case; recall that I have my dead-end Carman Carpenter in > >> Goshen then Minisink NY. Barring some weird historical quirk that we know > >> nothing about (e.g., that he moved there from Virginia the year before he > >> shows up in records, or an illegitimate birth to a Carpenter mother etc), > >> there are essentially three candidates for his father. If the DNA project > >> includes descendants from each of those three, mustn't we end up knowing > >> which line Carman must have been in? (And even if there is some unknown > >> historical quirk, as above, that should become obvious too.) > >> > Finally, does this project offer any possibility for NON-Carpenter > >> linkages? For instance, again with my Carman Carpenter, I've always > >> suspected either his mother or grandparent would be a Carman. That would > >be > >> a very valuable hypothesis to test. > >> > Robin > >> >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CARPENTER ZIMMERMAN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZJYBAEB/1110 Message Board Post: Thank you for your interest in the Carpenter Cousins Surname Reconstruction Project. This includes Zimmerman and realted names. Use the link below to join the project and purchase your DNA test. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=S82066 JRC

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Joseph Zimmerman, of the Albany, MN Zimmermans was born on 29 Oct 1878. I know very little about him, but his parents were Joseph Zimmermann and Katherine Schaeftner. He has siblings Louisa, Anna, Katherine, John, Minna, Michael, Franzikus, and Corrine. I do not know anything about his wife or descendants.