In my e-mail of 29 Aug 1997, Oktoberfest Computer and Zeigler Workshop, I expressed the need to locate the (older) David Zeigler's (C1675/1685 - C1753 / 1785) Bible records and the Gottlieb Stabler (20JAN1732 - 12Jul1757) / Anna Barbara Zeigler Stabler's (27MAR1733 - ???) Bible records. I need help. Carolyn, do you or Francis have any suggestions as to where these records might be located? I said that I had seen where they might be in Mississippi. Now, I see in Gladys Dieckmann's 1984 Ancestor Chart that her John Jacob Zeigler died in Claiborne, AL, in 1844. He was one of Gottleib and Anna Barbara's twelve children who were born from 1758 to 1779. Surely, one out of the twelve kept the family Bible or was the family historian. Do you have any ideas on this? I will check out Calhoun Co. Any help from you or the others receiving this will be greatly appreciated. Oburg Bob H. ______ ********************************************************** Subject: Okotoberfest Computer and Zeigler Workshops Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:22:04 -0400 From: Robert D Hemphill <rdhemphill@oburg.net> To: Orangeburghlist GENEALOGY <ORANGEBURGH_SC-L@rootsweb.com> I am delighted to hear that Gene will have the computer workshop at Oktoberfest. I hope this is true. The Orangeburg Computer Club last Tuesday meeting was on the use of Family Tree Maker. Ben Edge, the president, gave a very enlightening demonstration. I announced our workshop and was asked if they could come. I told them yes and that the details would be out in the paper later. Right? Carolyn Luker, Will Miller, Bob Hemphill, Gene Jefferries and others have made comments about errors in the Zeigler/Ziegler/Seigler/Segler page on the Society's Web Page. Gene has told us to send in corrections. This we have not done. I understand that they are planning a Zeigler work table at Oktoberfest. I hope this is so. What we need on this table are the TWO TUTOR DOCUMENTS. The older David Zeigler is said to have arrived on the ship Elizabeth in Charleston Feb 1753 with children and grandchildren and a tutor who was a female who kept family records in their Bible. We need to locate these records. There are problems with this information. David's youngest daughter, Anna Barbara Zeigler, was born in 1733 making her twenty arriving in Charleston in 1753. She married Gottlieb Stabler in SC in 1757. She did not need a tutor. The tutor must have been for the grandchildren. He had five grandchildren by his son Fritz. The youngest grandchild was age 13. We need to get a copy of these records. I have seen many family histories refer to these Bible records but none are as you would expect from Bible records, i.e. dates, names clear, locations, etc. I may be the only one that doesn't know where this Bible is. It is not in the Lutheran Seminary. Could it be in Calhoun Co, SC? If anyone can help locate it, please let me hear from you. The second tutor was a man named Francois Dufour, native of Leipzig. He also kept the family records. He was the teacher of the children of Gottlieb Stabler and Anna Barbara Zeigler Stabler. So, he was teaching David's grandchildren. He can't be the same tutor as the first was said to be a female. There are problems with these records also. David is called Donald David Zeigler. The Germans here in town say that Donald is not a German name. It is English. The tutor gave David's birthplace as Siestadt in Haystemm, Duchy (State) of Wurtemberg. This is the only source of this information that I know of. It appears to be correct. The original of this document is said to be still in existence, I believe in Miss. We need to get it out on the table and see what it says. It surprised me to read that a 1750's German immigrant family brought their tutor with them to SC. Also, the author of a history of the Lutheran Church in SC was surprised to find a church in the 1700's full of German Lutherans who could sign their names. This does not surprise me after reading Laura Maxwell's 1905 book, <IN SUABIA-LAND (WURTEMBERG)> (library exchange loan). Evidently the SUABIANS had an intense desire or drive to obtain an education, self taught or otherwise. Many could read, write, speak and give and understand presentations in two or three languages. Michael was Fritz's son and grandson of David. I am going to withdraw my speculation that Michael was bound out in 1753 for four years as an apprentice to someone who would teach him English. Who knows? This tutor may have already taught Michael two or three languages. That would make him very much in demand with the Charleston importers and exporters. The inscriptions on a tombstone in the cemetery next to the Orangeburg Co. Court House are as follows: FATHER / Gottlob August Neuffer (Doctor) Born Basenheim, Wurtemberg, Germany, Feb. 12 1817 Died Orangeburg, S.C., April 5, 1882 MOTHER / Maria Lousia Happoldt, Wife of G. A. Neuffer Born Charleston, S. C., July 9, 1825 Died Abbeville, S. C., Sept. 11, 1897 This is the only one that I have seen around Orangeburg that includes the city or village birthplace in Germany. Let me hear from you if you know of others. Also, please let me know the names of all immigrants that came to the Orangeburg area from Wurtemburg. I want to put a list of them in a copy of the Wurtemberg book and donate the copy to the Orangeburg Co. Library. The local Germans will probably enjoy reading about their native land. Right? Please let me hear from you. Best regards, Oburg Bob H. _____