MR RICHARD H MATHEWS wrote: > Hi Orangeburg Bob -- > > The town in Wuerttemberg, Germany that my Georg and Anna Ziegler came > from is called Weiden. I've never pinpointed it on a map to determine > where it is, or how close it might be to Shonstetten. If Weiden turns > out to be close to Shonstetten and you'd like to inquire further > about a possible link between your Shonstetten Zieglers and my Georg > & Anna from Weiden, feel free to let me know. Meantime, good luck > with your Ziegler reunion table this weekend. > > Richard Mathews ***************************************************Hi Richard, Our Oktoberfest family history work tables were a great success. Particularly so in view of our slow start. This was our first attempt at this. Next year it will be better. At the No. 1 session Friday night there were just us Orangerburghers talking to ourselves. Saturday morning was much better. Two German college students who were visiting here in Orangeburg helped us at a couple of tables. They live in Albstadt, Germany, which is about 50 miles from Sohnstetten. They were a big help with the language, the people, and where everything is. Saturday, we had about six Zeigler/Segler researchers from SC and as far away as FLA and CAL. Needless to say there were many connections, finds and exchanges of information. Four of us from SC have already gathered for a Mini-Zeigler-Worktable to carry on the information swap that was started. Oops, back to Weiden. The only Weiden that I could find on my map (only large towns) was 20 KM from the Chech border and 80 KM east-north-east of Nurnberg which is quite a distance from Sohnstetten. There may be another Weiden elsewhere? The German historians say that the first of the Zeigler name were from Dresden, also near the Chech border. We will have to get our Sohnstetten and Weiden Zeiglers sorted out before we can really start on Dresden. Richard, please let me hear from you. Oburg Bob H. _____

Is there anyone in Zeigler/Ziegler Land who has a handle on all of the Jacobs? My line is from both Esther and John, children of Jacob who immigrated from Germany in 1746 on the ship Ann Galley. Jacob m Esther Buckwalter on 13 Jan 1775. I seem to be getting all tangled up in the family of a John Jacob Ziegler who m Elizabeth Motz on 30 Jun 1782. Also, is there anyone with proof that Jacob who m Esther Buckwalter was the Jacob who immigrated in 1746 on Ann Galley. Any help appreciated. Anne Nelson (OK) GTNEL@aol.com

Check these books to see if you need some. They're moving fast. Floyd R.& Kathryn Garst Mason 115 East Rainbow Drive Bridgewater, Virginia 22812 Phone 540-828-4617 - e-mail <masonf3150@rica.net> URL ..http://home.rica.net/masonf3150/ Our Family Books by Mason # John Mason & Mary Ann Miller - 1986 - (hard cover) $ 35.00 John Mason and Mary Ann Miller lived in VA and raised a large family. Most of the children went to middle America before the Civil War. They lived in IN, MO, IA and OH. * Matthias Miller & his 17 children - 1996 (hard cover) 2nd ed. 25.00 This is the family of Mary Ann Miller Mason. They lived in Berks Co., PA and moved to VA, OH and IN. # Ziegler Family Record - Revised - 1990 (hard cover) …. 40.00 Philip Ziegler & Regina Requel, Immigrants, lived in Berks Co., PA where they raised a large family. Some of this family remained in PA and some moved to VA, IN, OH and farther west. # Michael Miller Family Record - 1993 (hard cover) 2 nd Ed. .. 45.00 Michael Miller & Susannah Bechtol, immigrants lived in PA and MD. His large family moved to VA, OH, and farther west. Our book is about sold out. * A Wampler Family Record - 1996 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 38.00 Hans Peter Wampfler of PA & MD. His large family moved to VA and farther west. This is mainly about John Wampler & Magdalena Garber of in VA. # Michael Miller of 1692 - 1986 - 1st Ed. (soft cover) . . . 3.00 This is a beginning effort of Michael Miller 1st ed. Some copies available. # Shank Family Record - 1992 . . . . (soft cover) . . . . . . 4.00 A beginning record of Michael Shank of PA and VA. Several lines are carried forward. * Cline-Kline Family History - Reprint (hard cover) . . . 40.00 A reprint of Paul G. Kline book of 1971 with some additions by Mason *George Klien Sr. Family Record - 1997 (hard cover) . . . . . 22.00 George Klein & Dorothy Rebman's two sons Philip & David are carried forward in this presentation. They lived in PA, VA, TX & OK.. * Niclous Garber Family Record (hard cover)34.00 Niclous & Elizabeth Garber of PA, MD & VA and their 4 children, Elizabeth Good, Samuel, Martin and Anna Rife - nine generations Shipping, handling and taxes must be added to each book ordered. Write or e-mail for free information sheet and further instructions. If by mail, SASE. " you can know your family history" # These books are in stock and can be purchased immediately. * These books have to be ordered from the printer who will print them after receiving the money. * You can expect a ten weeks wait before delivery from the printer.

From JAZ Earl, Linda, Mary or anyone I am leaving out please let me know if you don' t have my family tree. I have 2491 names in it now and if you see something I am missing please let me know. Also if it appears to be inaccurate let me know and I'll research it further. William Ziegler that married Rebecca Stewart had 2 sons and 4 daughters, moved to Virginia in 1821, being the first Zeigler family to come to Tenn., settled and died in Meigs Co., age 62 years. (according to Christan Farrell Ziegler that died in 1995). Please send me the 13 children and the other 10 that I am missing. Also if you all could please let me know how you are related to the tree please let me know. Earl Thanks for all the info, but I still do not know how you are related yet. Anyone who needs a copy of my tree let me know how your computer will accept it and I'll try to send it to you. I know I don't have much input to the group but at least I hope I can put all my information out on the table and try to have supporting references if requested. Also I please let me know if you all are getting my mail that I am sending thru rootsweb. If I spell Ziegler as Zeigler thats the way it was given to me, but I always think it should be Ziegler. Please write back Jack Ziegler ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Earl, The information I have talks about Jacob Ziegler(2) & Rachael Larson having six sons and 1 daughter: Jacob(3) Benjamin(3) Mary(3) Joseph(3) Michael(3) William(3) Joram(3) then under the above: (Jacob Z. entered 640 acres, all on or near Bledsoe Creek in 1786) then: Daughters of Jacob(1) Zeigler & Wife, Miss Buckwalter: Elizabeth Married Payton Tyson Katherine " William Parker Easter " Pat Ramsey Nancy " Peter Angle Susan " William Ramsey Magdaline " Benj. Semones Barbara " Page White No further record. then it goes into Joshua(3) son of John Zeigler & wife, Mary Ann Brock anyway I agree it had to be talking about the Sr Ziegler, so I moved the sentence about Bledsoe to Jacob Ziegler(1)'s (more) info. Also it had to be in VA. where both Jacob (1) and Jacob (2) died. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Earl, The information I have talks about Jacob Ziegler(2) & Rachael Larson having six sons and 1 daughter: Jacob(3) Benjamin(3) Mary(3) Joseph(3) Michael(3) William(3) Joram(3) then under the above: (Jacob Z. entered 640 acres, all on or near Bledsoe Creek in 1786) then: Daughters of Jacob(1) Zeigler & Wife, Miss Buckwalter: Elizabeth Married Payton Tyson Katherine " William Parker Easter " Pat Ramsey Nancy " Peter Angle Susan " William Ramsey Magdaline " Benj. Semones Barbara " Page White No further record. then it goes into Joshua(3) son of John Zeigler & wife, Mary Ann Brock anyway I agree it had to be talking about the Sr Ziegler, so I moved the sentence about Bledsoe to Jacob Ziegler(1)'s (more) info. Also it had to be in VA. where both Jacob (1) and Jacob (2) died. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi, I got a copy of some estate papers of John ZEIGLER in Richland Co., OH only to discover that it was not my John ZEIGLER, nor was it directly related to Ohio. It seems that some of the Children sued one of the Guardians (Peter OPP, then a resident of OH) for their share of the estate (which it seems he thought was his for taking of the kids). At any rate, I thought it might be useful to someone, so I have included here some of the more pertinant information. John died in 1814. The suit was in 1833- 1835. In the papers it speaks of John dying intestate, however there is also a copy of the will. I am not sure what that means. The originals are in Manchester, Ohio. Anyway, I hope this is helpful to someone. - Mike White ======================================================================= John ZEIGLER of West Manchester township, York Co, PA. d. c Oct-Dec 1814 PA Children: George, Sarah, Polly, John, Jacob, Daniel, Catharine, Lydia, Elizabeth, Adam, Samuel and Matilda [John ZEIGLER]: Owned 132 acres ajoining lands of Peter OPP, Andrew STAUCH, Jacob SMYSERS?, Martin ZIGLER, Michael TESLA and John SHAFER. George Eisenhart Guardian of the persons and estates of George, Sarah, and Polly ZIEGLER - Philip ZIEGLER Guardian of John, Jacob and Daniel ZIEGLER - Adam ZIEGLER Guardian of Catharine, Lydia and Elizabeth ZIEGLER, and Peter OPP guardian of Adam, Samuel and Matilda ZIEGLER the twelve minor children... Copy Last will & Testament of John ZIEGLER decd/" I, John ZEIGLER of West Manchester township York County Do appoint my trusty friends Henry WOLF and Henry SLAGLE as my administrators of my whole estate to act with according to thir best judgment and according to Law. I likewise Nominate my trusty friend George EISENHART Guartin for the following of my Children namely Goerge ZEIGLER Sarah ZEIGLER & Polly ZEIGLER & Philip ZEIGLER Guartin of John ZEIGLER Jacob ZEIGLER & Daniel ZEIGLER # And Adam ZEIGLER Guartin for Caty ZEIGLER Lydia ZEIGLER and Elisabeth ZEIGLER, and my trusty friend Peter OPP Gartain of of Adam ZEIGLER Samuel ZEIGLER and Mathilda ZEIGLER, in testimony whereof I have set my hand and seal this twenty fourth of October in the year of our Lord one thousand Eight Hundred and fourteen A.D. 1814 Witness Present Peter BOTT John ZEIGLER {seal} Andrew STOUGH .......................................................................

Results of my ZIEGLER research show the following - not much. Eitel ZIEGLER married Catherine MOEHANN Their son: Joachin Christoph ZIEGLER b 24 May 1724 in Germany, d 25 May 1760. (?) Christina WESSELL, daughter of Bartold WESSELL Their daughter: Sophia Helen ZIEGLER b 13 April 1761 in Lippe, Horn Co., Germany died 16 Sept 1852 in Adams Co., PA buriel in Upper Bermudian Cem. Adams County, PA. She married on 6 Feb 1780 in Hanover, York Co., PA John LEAS II, son of John LEAS I. It is a family tradition that when they married she could speak no English and he could speak no German. When Sophia applied for a widow's pension, she wasn't sure of the dates, so that may be the discrepency in her father's death and her birth. My ancestor, George Leas was one of their 14 children. Does anyone know of these ZIEGLERS? I can share LEAS, but the above is all I have on the ZIEGLERS. Thanks. Clarice Mitchell

Correction to PAF Companion listed in todays Deseret News Church News section-October 4, 1997 "As announced in the September 27th Church News about the new Personal Ancestral File Companion software incorrectly stated the product would funcition with Personal Ancestral File versions 2.0 or higher. The product is actually designed for Personal Ancestral File 3.0 and will not work with earlier versions of the software. The new Product is the first tp be produced by the Church to work with Personal Ancestral File in the Microsoft Windows enviornment." Hope you noted that the product is not to be available until mid October. Phone number to order after that time will be 800-346-6044. Helene

from Jack And Lorraine 684 Lison Ave SE Rio Rancho NM 87124 email zieglerj2@hotmail.com Hi everyone. My printer is in the shop and its got me at a standstill. I am interested in getting a scanner maybe Hewlett Packard for about 285.00. At least thats what they paid for one where I work at Kirtland Air Force Base. I sure would like to know how everyone I am writing to is related to the Jacob family tree and if you could send pictures of all your family members. I have a place in Family tree maker that allows pictures to be inserted. I know I haven't sent allot of requested information out, but soon as I get my scanner I will put it all directly in to the family tree maker for everyone. I was talking to my uncle Dewey who I am trying to get to hook up to the internet. He says the name Yohand Lopold Ziegler was probably Johann Lopold Ziegler. I know there are thousands of Johanns in Germany so its a thought to consider. Of course we need to find a reference. Speaking of references, I was talking to Dewey Mann and he said most of the information in our tree came from Christian Farrell Ziegler born 1906 and died 1995. Christian Farrell Ziegler Was called Cricket and she had mentioned that she remembered sitting on her great grandfathers lap when she was about 4 years old and he would tell her lots of old stories. Her father was William Giboney Ziegler and her grandfather was Jacob August Ziegler who was married to Annabella Gibboney. The letters found in the attic at 908 Boylston St in Chattanoga Tennessee were written during the Civil War. They were written in one color of ink and the turned sideways and written in another color ink on top to save paper. Dr. Hayme and six students deciphered them and sent Dewey and Charolet a copy and a copy to myself (Jack). I have typed about half of them in MS Word out of 103 pages of them. As soon as I get a scanner I'll rescan them all exactly as presented, and resend them out to everyone. If you can send me copies of your trees as attachments please do so, I am sure we all would find interesting information that we need to add to our trees. I am so glad I have found this group and I would like to visit each of you and find out what Ive missed all these years. Yours truely Jack and Lorriane Ziegler ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

My great-grandmother Barbara ZIEGLER was born in 1857. On her memorial prayer card it states that she was born in Gueblange, France on May 17. However, I have the marriage document for she and my great-grandfather, George BOUHL. They married in March 1881 in Geblingen, Germany and it states that she was of Catholic religion and had been born 17 March 1857 in Geblingen. She was the daughter of ? ZIEGLER and Maria Johnanna (WAGNER). George was the son of Nikolaus BOUHL and Johanna (REICH). He was born 07 Feb 1855? in Happelkinger, Germany. I hope to learn if Barbara was born in France or Germany and the first name of her father. ****************************************** Mlfuller@aol.com (Mary Lynn Fuller) List owner: FAMILIES TOUCHED BY ADOPTION, GERMAN-AMERICAN and GENIRE Researching: BOUHL - DIERCOUFF - GLARDON - HAYES KNOPF - SHAW - SULLIVAN - WILHELM - ZIEGLER

In a message dated 97-10-01 18:38:05 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: My Ziegler Mess Date: 97-10-01 18:38:05 EDT From: therza@unm.edu (zack ziegler) To: Gjw11653@aol.com CC: Ziegler-L@rootsweb.com please quit sending email to me. >> Could someone please tell me what I did wrong? I sent my FIRST posting to the Ziegler-L post and got the above response. Any suggestions, or is Zack just crabby today?

please quit sending email to me. On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 Gjw11653@aol.com wrote: > Dear List, > > As this is my first posting to this list, I hope I do it correctly. I signed > on to the list about a week ago and have been reading LOTS of info on > Ziegler's of the world. I am relatively new to genealogy, so am baffled > about just how to jump in. > > My maiden name is Ziegler and it was because of this that I decided to begin > genealogy. My mother gave me some information (unverified by me) that a > distant relative, Urban Ziegler from Wisconsin, had provided to her in the > 70's sometime. It begins with: > > 1 Christopher ZIEGLER, m. Margaretta GREUL 30 January 1792 > 2 John George, b. 16 February 1793 in Bavaria, d. 30 December 1858 in > Norwalk, WI, m. Anna Mary SCHRAUD, 18 February 1819, b. 1794 and d. 1840 in > Bavaria > 3 Michael, b. 1825 in Germany, d. 1890, m. Anna Mary ZIEGLER(?) 20 April > 1849, b. 1819, d. 1891 > 4 John, b. 1847, d. 1912, m. Lillybelle ?, b. 1857, d. 1933 > 5 Gertie, b. 1878, m. George BAUMBACK > 5 Josie, b. 1880, m. Louis FRANCES > 5 Millie, b. 1884, m. Howard TRIPS > 5 Clara, b. 18 November 1886, d. October 1973, m. Roy WOODLIFF, b. > 8 October 1885, d. January 1976 > > > > =================================================================== Zack Ziegler therza@unm.edu \\|||// Rio Rancho, NM | | mailto:therza@unm.edu (.) (.) http://www.unm.edu/~therza =============oOO==(_)==OOo=========================================

Dear List, As this is my first posting to this list, I hope I do it correctly. I signed on to the list about a week ago and have been reading LOTS of info on Ziegler's of the world. I am relatively new to genealogy, so am baffled about just how to jump in. My maiden name is Ziegler and it was because of this that I decided to begin genealogy. My mother gave me some information (unverified by me) that a distant relative, Urban Ziegler from Wisconsin, had provided to her in the 70's sometime. It begins with: 1 Christopher ZIEGLER, m. Margaretta GREUL 30 January 1792 2 John George, b. 16 February 1793 in Bavaria, d. 30 December 1858 in Norwalk, WI, m. Anna Mary SCHRAUD, 18 February 1819, b. 1794 and d. 1840 in Bavaria 3 Michael, b. 1825 in Germany, d. 1890, m. Anna Mary ZIEGLER(?) 20 April 1849, b. 1819, d. 1891 4 John, b. 1847, d. 1912, m. Lillybelle ?, b. 1857, d. 1933 5 Gertie, b. 1878, m. George BAUMBACK 5 Josie, b. 1880, m. Louis FRANCES 5 Millie, b. 1884, m. Howard TRIPS 5 Clara, b. 18 November 1886, d. October 1973, m. Roy WOODLIFF, b. 8 October 1885, d. January 1976

Virginia Zeigler wrote: > > I have some information on the descendants of Michael Zeigler, Jr. > > born 19 AUG 1776 in Orange County, SC. Married 25 Jan 1795 to > Sarah Baggott. He died in Sept. 1849. > > Does this connect to anyone? > > ****************************************************** > Hi Virginia, Orangeburg Bob H. ___ here, > The good news is we do connect. The bad news is I am in the midst of > bringing my ledger sheet size Michael Zeigler (c1738 Shonstetten, > Germany - 1809 Bamberg, SC) chart up to date for our 3 & 4 Oct. > Oktoberfest meeting. We have a Zeigler family history work table > planned. Hopefully we will hammer out all of the wrinkles from this > and other charts ****etc, ****etc. ******************************************************Hi Virginia, Oburg Bob again, I note Bob Valentines email to you on this. You are in good hands. Bob sent me a copy of his Frederick Zeigler (Fritz) descendants. It is great, the best. He has done excelent work on this. On my email strike, "please send me what you have on this line," and add please send me anything that you and Bob come up with that is not in Bob's descendancy tabulation. Best regards, OBURG BOB H. ____

Hello All, I found this on a homepage and thought someone on the list might be interested in it.http://www.rootsweb.com/~padelawa/selling.htm Name: Floyd R. Mason Date: Sat Feb 1 17:07:43 1997 Type of Item: Book Title: Ziegler Family Reord Author: Floyd R. Mason Publisher: same Price: $34.00 Description: Phillip Ziegler and family live/d at Reherersburg, PA. ZIEGLER FAMILY RECORD -1990 Value $50.00 by Mason This is a hard cover book, 6 x 9, with 660 pages and containing a family tree of over 13,000 names. You will use it like an Encyclopedia as it contains much family history, maps, pictures and other information. It is fully indexed. The family is Phillip Ziegler b 1734 & Regina Requel and their children who lived in PA before they started south and west. We give you a family tree of 9 generations, telling you a little about each family and where they lived, when we found it. The Henry numbering system allows you to move from one generation to another in the same family line. Interested Ziegler descendants, named in the Memorial Section, contributed a substantial portion of the printing cost and we pass this savings on to you in a reduced price. The total cost for the book is in excess of $45.00 per book. We are proud to offer it to family members and libraries at a discounted price of $31.00, plus tax for Virginia residents and shipping cost. Pick one up from us and save the cost of shipping. We still have about 150 of the books printed to sell. Buy the books that your family will need now. Family Books make wonderful gifts Give one to a Library --------------------- cut along this line -------------------- Floyd R. Mason & Kathryn Garst Mason 115 East Rainbow Drive Bridgewater, Virginia 22812 Phone 540-828-4617 Take Care! PJ Bennett N.Branford, CT Researching: Armbruster Bodden Kettner Mueller Seeger Tatsch Weyh Ziegler http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/1214/

Virginia Zeigler wrote: > I have some information on the descendants of Michael Zeigler, Jr. > born 19 > AUG 1776 in Orange County, SC. Married 25 Jan 1795 to Sarah Baggott. > He > died in Sept. 1849. > > Does this connect to anyone? ****************************************************** Hi Virginia, Orangeburg Bob H. ___ here, The good news is we do connect. The bad news is I am in the midst of bringing my ledger sheet size Michael Zeigler (c1738 Shonstetten, Germany - 1809 Bamberg, SC) chart up to date for our 3 & 4 Oct. Oktoberfest meeting. We have a Zeigler family history work table planned. Hopefully we will hammer out all of the wrinkles from this and other charts. The bad news is all of my stuff is still hard copy with no scanner. If you will send me your address I will send a revised copy of this chart. If you like it, please send what you have on this line. I am new at the computer. It will take me forever to get everything into the computer. Do you have any tips on getting stuff out of the corrugated boxes and on to the disk? I have Michael Zeigler, Jr. (ca. 1776). Moved with wife & children to Mississippi prior to 1810 (pencil note 2m, 1f, 1800 Census). On 2 Feb. 1801 he witnessed a deed in Bamberg Co., SC. On 11 Oct. 1811 (to Nicoholas Baggett) and on 16 Apr. 1812 (to Jacob Redgett) Michael Zeigler (Jr.) and John Zeigler of Adams Co., Miss. Territory, gave power of attorney to sue his brother Conrad Zeigler and Jacob Ridgdill, administrators of the estate of their father, Michael Zeigler, Sr. There will be others at the work table Saturday who will have more on this Miss. Zeigler family. We do not know of anyone coming that knows too much about the Zieglers in Germany in the 1700's. We keep hoping. Do you know of anyone who has done research on the Zieglers in Germany? Oburg Bob H. _____

I have some information on the descendants of Michael Zeigler, Jr. born 19 AUG 1776 in Orange County, SC. Married 25 Jan 1795 to Sarah Baggott. He died in Sept. 1849. Does this connect to anyone?

Earl_Cook@pvn.com wrote: > > Listowner: > > Sorry, but I don't know your private email address, so I am posting > this in hopes you will see it. > > I am getting duplicate copies of each message posted to the > list whether by me or by someone else. Can you advise me > if I need to do something?? > > TNX:RGDS:EARL COOK > EARL_COOK@PVN.COM =============== Hello Earl It must be "at your end." I have not been receiving double messages. Hope you get it resolved. Lorraine

>From ziegler-l-request@rootsweb.com Tue Sep 30 18:04:26 1997 >Received: (from slist@localhost) > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05310; > Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:59:37 -0700 (PDT) >Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:59:37 -0700 (PDT) >Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971001010344.006f9164@mail.telapex.com> >X-Sender: ginyaz@mail.telapex.com >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:03:44 -0500 >To: Ziegler-L@rootsweb.com >From: Virginia Zeigler <ginyaz@mail.telapex.com> >Subject: Zeigler SC>MS>LA >Resent-Message-ID: <"wPx4IC.A.zIB.xBaM0"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >Resent-From: ZIEGLER-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <ZIEGLER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/49 >X-Loop: ZIEGLER-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: ZIEGLER-L-request@rootsweb.com > >I have some information on the descendants of Michael Zeigler, Jr. born 19 >AUG 1776 in Orange County, SC. Married 25 Jan 1795 to Sarah Baggott. He >died in Sept. 1849. > >Does this connect to anyone? > >JAZ, are any Ziegler's posting? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com