Hi Pat, Thanks for posting this. This is similar to the info I've seen before and may be where that original info came from. This may have been approved by someone, but they are wrong. It's not the first time. We know for sure that the John Younger that was the son of Marcus had Robert Hart Younger. We have lots of documentation to that effect, and that John was in fact the son of Marcus. I don't know that Marcus was the son of Alexander either, but consider for a minute that wills of that timeframe did NOT name all the heirs, unless they said specifically "all my children" or verbiage like that. George Estes who married Mary Younger (daughter of Marcus) left a will that named one child and for generations, until I found a lawsuit in chancery court a couple of years ago, genealogists took that to mean they had only one child. That was NOT the case, they had 8 children who lived to adulthood but 7 of them had been taken care of previously, so they were not mentioned in the will. That was my point with what I posted earlier. One cannot determine that someone was NOT a child by omission from a will during that timeframe in Virginia. Inclusion proves they were a child, but omission does not, unfortunately, do the opposite. Alexander had 8 heirs who all shared equally. Perhaps he had other children who had already been provided for, or perhaps he raised Marcus and Marcus had the Younger surname, but Marcus was not his biological child for a variety of reasons. We don't yet know. We may never know, but the omission in the will does not mean that Marcus was not his child. Do you know of a guardian was appointed for any of the children. The records we have show that several of the childre were underage. Does anyone have any connection to the National Society to see if this can be checked and if they have more info? I know nothing about this society. What do we know about Marcus? He died in 1816, and there were no stories about how he lived to be 100 or anything like that, so he certainly was born after 1716 and we know he was born before 1740 or before because his son John was born about 1760. Given that men of that time often married between 25 and 30, I'd suggest that he was born about 1730, maybe 1735, assuming that John was his first child. Given that he only had 5 that survived, and it's likely that like other couples they had 1 child every other year, he probably had 10 or more. So if Marcus was Alexander's child, he was born very close to his death and would have assuredly had a guardian appointed. This point is probably the best evidence we have that Marcus was NOT the child of Alexander because Alexander could not have provided for a minor child without a guardian being appointed. So who else was having children during that timeframe in the Younger household? Brother John died without issue. Brother James didn't marry until 1745 and we know Marcus was born before 1740. Sister Elizabeth married about the time that Alexander died, which does not exclude her from having an illegitimate child prior to the marriage, but that would put Marcus being a little older than I suspect he was. Sister Ann married in 1732 Sisters Mary, Janet and Susannah we know nothing about. If one of these girls had him illegitimately, and either died or for another reason allowed him to be raised by his eldest brother Thomas who was married the first time about 1740, that would explain Marcus's constant contact with Thomas and family. This would also explain the different DNA. It is also possible that Thomas's first wife, whoever she was, had a child from a previous marriage or otherwise before she married Thomas. This would also explain the different DNA and the connection to the Thomas Younger family. If Marcus was the son of a sister of Thomas, then Alexander would clearly have been his grandfather, so that part of the oral history shared by John's descendant would be correct, just a generation offset and "losing" the illegitimacy generation. Families sometimes did this or made up stories about the woman having married a mystery cousin. Someone had to raise this child. He had to grow up someplace. Does anyone have any idea at all what happened to the three daughters, Mary, Susannah and Janet? Marcus named his daughter Susannah and also had daughters Elizabeth, Mary and Sally (probably Sarah). There is some question as to whether Marcus's wife or daughter or both are named Susannah. The documents are confusing and inconsistent. I personally tend to think it is his daughter and not his wife, but it could be either or both. Sometimes even then they used "forms" and the normal verbiage on the form was wife and he left land in fee simple to Susannah his daughter. Also, if one of these women had been his mother and she died without marrying, he would have inherited her share which might explain how he had money to purchase land. I know the King and Queen county records have burned, but has anyone ever looked in the records of Essex to see if there is anything about the daughters? My bet at this point is that he is either the child of the first wife of Thomas prior to their marriage or the illegitimate child of one Thomas's sisters. I think this because of the constant contact with Thomas and family. But then again, we have the connundrum of William also found in Halifax and who was also very connected with this family. Ironically, William was born about the same time, before 1740. He is also a mystery man but connected with this family. John, Marcus's son signed his will as a witness. Was William perhaps the brother of Marcus or maybe a first cousin? His daughters names were Rachel, Leah, Keziah, Elizabeth and Sally. These last two names repeat in this family, but they are also very common. He too probably had more children who did not survive. More thoughts anyone? Bobbi -----Original Message----- From: younger-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:younger-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PatriciaFinnell@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:19 PM To: younger@rootsweb.com Subject: [YOUNGER] Marcus Father Named as Alexander This may not be worth two cents of your or my time. Has anyone examined in depth the publication "People and Places Here and There' FHC film 1035922 item 8? Seems to have been written by Rev. Daniel Taylor Sr, copyright 1981 by Mrs. Cora Taylor Younger Smith? It is not well footnoted and I can't tell when or for sure by whom written but it says: Thomas son, of Alexander (d. c1726 Essex Co); John Younger son of Thomas Younger and Sarah Ferguson; Robert Younger son of John Younger and Lucy Hart; John Marcus Younger son of John Younger and Mary Moore; Rev Robert Hobson Younger son of John Marcus Younger and Mary Robertson Carter; Cora Taylor (b. 1901) dau of Rev. Robert Hobson Younger and Anne Gregory Taylor. It indicates this lineage approved by National Society CDXVII Century Lineage. Secondly, I do not believe that Marcus could possibly have been a son of Alexander d. c1726. The net estate was divided into eight parts. Daughter, Elizabeth got an eighth as did widow Rebecca. Rebecca was due either a third or a fourth by dower law but apparently negotiated for or settled for a child's share. Alexander named eight children, one died during probate and his share apparently went back into the pot (inferring that he had no heirs). There is no room in this settlement for Marcus, nor was anyone appointed his guardian, nor was there a guardian for an heir of dead John. There were other Youngers with a connection to Essex Co - such as the sea captain, also a James Younger who owned land before 1692 according to a history of Old Rappahannock Co. Regarding the James Younger story that he accompanied the John Nash family as it moved from Middlesex Co and married their daughter Ann I will say while I am orating that the Christ Church Parish record indicates that John Nash died 10 October 1716, Pat Finnell *************************************** **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. 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