Wilma H.- I know you have the actual records. The DAR was/is having a free online lookup, so I thought I would punch-in Joshua to see what their response would be and this was the result, nothing more, nothing less. I understand that we still need to find out about Elizabeth Lee. I suppose my real query here is the fact that I have complete dates on her birth and death. They had to come from somewhere and that is what puzzles me so. Did someone just simply make them up? You can see where I am confused... On another note, while looking at TREES I find that one patron listed her name as Virginia Lee, not that that means anything in particular either. Linda in KC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Joshua Younger-DAR response > I find this reference to Elizabeth Lee very interesting. The DAR and the pension authorities would have only what was given to them by either the > widow or a subsequent descendant seeking admission to the DAR. I suspect this report is a copy of the DAR application from a descendant long after > the fact and not from the official pension papers. If it were from Catherine Yoter Younger's pension application, I would almost be ready to throw > down the gauntlet -but the DAR - Nah---- I have a copy of Catherine's pension application and there is no mention of Elizabeth Lee in it. > > One more thing. When the DAR authenticates a descendancy, it deals only with the direct line. It asks for siblings or children (I do not remember > which) but there is no attempt to authenticate that information. It is caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). > > Upon what authority do I speak? I have been a member since 1977, Regent of Cincinnati Chapter 1982 and 1983, delegate to Continental Congress in > Washington twice and submitted six successful applications - but not without a lot of work and proof. That's how I know what they document. > > Actually, in the beginning of the DAR, they didn't authenticate the lines that were submitted and after a number of years those lines were > challenged by family members and their own documentation. Now, if someone attempts to go in on one of those early lines, they are told that they can > not go in on someone else's number but will have to document their line. They are trying to clean up their earlier error. It sometimes takes as much > as 2-3 years to get a new line through their audit process. > > JYG wrote: > > > >From the online lookup service I received the following: > > > > Thank you for your interest in DAR's patriot volunteer lookup service. > > Response: > > ================ > > A search of the DAR PATRIOT INDEX for JOSHUA YOUNGER provided the following > > entry: > > ========================================================================= > > YOUNGER, Joshua > > Birth: VA 11 May 1752 > > Service: VA > > Rank: Pvt > > Death: IN 2 Aug 1834 > > Patriot Pensioned: Yes Widow Pensioned: Yes > > Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: Yes > > Spouse: Catherine Yoter > > Spouse: Elizabeth Lee > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. If Need any help just e-mail Younger-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

I think having the DAR site available for researchers is a wonderful boon. We should all make use of them. I was just offering a little caveat for caution. We still need to do our own authenticating. I've grown suspicious also of dates not documented. How many times have we been tempted to drop the ca or abt at a birth or death date? More often than I like to admit. I don't think it is malicious. I think it is human. We all want to fill in all the spaces. I have sat and calculated birth dates from the first appearance on tax records. I know that is an accepted method of dating births but is it accurate? I don't know- but I use them. I also know that when you get a date from a census record, it is just as likely to de discounted by the succeeding census record. I think we all do the best we can but, remember, there might have been a ca or an abt at one time before a date fell into our hands. As for Virginia instead of Elizabeth Lee? One name is as good as another to me. I'm not ready to accept either of them. JYG wrote: > Wilma H.- > > I know you have the actual records. The DAR was/is having a free online > lookup, so I thought I would punch-in Joshua to see what their response > would be and this was the result, nothing more, nothing less. I understand > that we still need to find out about Elizabeth Lee. I suppose my real query > here is the fact that I have complete dates on her birth and death. They had > to come from somewhere and that is what puzzles me so. Did someone just > simply make them up? You can see where I am confused... On another note, > while looking at TREES I find that one patron listed her name as Virginia > Lee, not that that means anything in particular either. > > Linda in KC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:23 AM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Joshua Younger-DAR response > > > I find this reference to Elizabeth Lee very interesting. The DAR and the > pension authorities would have only what was given to them by either the > > widow or a subsequent descendant seeking admission to the DAR. I suspect > this report is a copy of the DAR application from a descendant long after > > the fact and not from the official pension papers. If it were from > Catherine Yoter Younger's pension application, I would almost be ready to > throw > > down the gauntlet -but the DAR - Nah---- I have a copy of Catherine's > pension application and there is no mention of Elizabeth Lee in it. > > > > One more thing. When the DAR authenticates a descendancy, it deals only > with the direct line. It asks for siblings or children (I do not remember > > which) but there is no attempt to authenticate that information. It is > caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). > > > > Upon what authority do I speak? I have been a member since 1977, Regent of > Cincinnati Chapter 1982 and 1983, delegate to Continental Congress in > > Washington twice and submitted six successful applications - but not > without a lot of work and proof. That's how I know what they document. > > > > Actually, in the beginning of the DAR, they didn't authenticate the lines > that were submitted and after a number of years those lines were > > challenged by family members and their own documentation. Now, if someone > attempts to go in on one of those early lines, they are told that they can > > not go in on someone else's number but will have to document their line. > They are trying to clean up their earlier error. It sometimes takes as much > > as 2-3 years to get a new line through their audit process. > > > > JYG wrote: > > > > > >From the online lookup service I received the following: > > > > > > Thank you for your interest in DAR's patriot volunteer lookup service. > > > Response: > > > ================ > > > A search of the DAR PATRIOT INDEX for JOSHUA YOUNGER provided the > following > > > entry: > > > > ========================================================================= > > > YOUNGER, Joshua > > > Birth: VA 11 May 1752 > > > Service: VA > > > Rank: Pvt > > > Death: IN 2 Aug 1834 > > > Patriot Pensioned: Yes Widow Pensioned: Yes > > > Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: Yes > > > Spouse: Catherine Yoter > > > Spouse: Elizabeth Lee > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto > www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me > know.) > > > > > > ============================== > > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > > your heritage! > > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. 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