I don't think fur need to fly. I will stand by my mantra "Show me the documentation". Cole was somewhat grandiose and generous with the truth. I also have a copy of that book on my shelf. Cole was quite right about his family being prestigious. His father had been the mayor of Harrisonville, MO and his grandfather was a very large land and slave holder.His great grandfather had been wounded in Jersey while with Washington in the Valley Forge campaign. It is true that Bursheba's family was a shirt-tail relative of Chief Justice Marshal (not direct line). That is what is so amazing about he and his brothers taking up a life of crime. That takes us in another direction, however. One has to understand the border wars in Kansas and Missouri to understand what happened to the Younger family there. But that aside, let's get back to the nitty gritty. Cole Younger, was the son of Henry Washington Younger who was the son of Charles Younger son of Joshua and his first wife. It was the half sisters and brothers of their great grandfather, Charles, who were German. Catherine Yoter would have been the only great grandmother he would have known since Joshua's first wife died before Joshua married again (we assume). Cole may not have meant to lie. He may have grown up hearing the stories of Catherine Yoter's family. I have no way of knowing if her family was of great import or not. Unfortunately, the facts don't pass muster. No one can blame a man for embellishing the truth when his character was so diminished. Mixed in it all are crumbles of truth. I am sad for Cole and the Youngers. I am a shirt tail relative of theirs. I am a descendant of their greatgrandfather Charles' brother Peter. I would like nothing more than to think that I am even marginally related to Robert E Lee who I greatly admire. I just don't think it is true. Again - show me the documentaion. Now, did the fur fly? I never get riled over genealogy. I love nothing better than a good intellectual argument about genealogical research. Clifford D. Younger, Sr. wrote: > The following is from the book "The Story of Cole Younger" by Himself. > published in 1903. For what it's worth, I'll quote Chapter One, paragraph > three in it's entirity (thats not spelled right is it?) and then stand back > and > let the fur fly.......:) > > QUOTE > My people had always been prominent, politically. It was born in the > blood. My great grandmother on my father's side was a daughter of > "Lighthorse Harry" Lee, whose proud memory we all cherish. The Youngers came > from Strasburg and helped to rule there when it was a free city. Henry > Washington Yonger, my father, represented Jackson County three times in the > legislature, and was also judge of the county court. My mother, who was > Bursheba Fristoe of Independence, was the daughter of Richard Fristoe who > fought under General Andrew Jackson at New Orleans, Jackson County having > been so named at my grandfather Fristoe's insistence. Mother was descended > from the Sullivans, Ladens and Percivals of South Carolina, the Taylors of > Virginia and the Fristoes of Tennessee, and my grandfather Fristoe was a > grand nephew of Chief Justice John Marshall of Virginia. > UNQUOTE > > That is the only reference Cole makes to "Miss Lee" in the entire book, and > as you notice he did not tell us her given name. > > CY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] > > > Golly! I certainly am learning alot from you Wilma, you know your stuff! > It > > has been an accepted fact that Joshua Logan married Elizabeth Lee, and > time > > and again is mention she descended from "Lighthorse Harry." As you stated > > this must have come from Cole's letters. You are right about him stating > > they came from Germany and indeed Catherine Yoter was from Strasbourg, but > > she was not his ancestor, or was she? Back to the drawing board! :) > > > > Here is what I have gathered, again these sources are still being sought. > > Elizabeth Lee > > b 27 Feb 1755 Leesylvania, Prince William, Va; parents Henry Lee, Jr., > Lucy > > Grymes [This would make her sister of "Lighthorse Harry," not a daughter.] > > d 15 Sep 1787 Hampshire, Va, Usa > > m Jul 1771 Barren, Ky, Usa > > {This may have come from Marley Brant. I think I will email her and see > what > > she says on this family and any sources she may have used. I am also in > > contact with author, Ted Yateman, who has done a great deal of work on the > > James-Youngers. I have yet to read his new book, as it is going to need my > > full atention, being highly documented and detailed. I think this winter, > > with cold days and nights by the fire will serve it's purpose. With one > > person quoting another, as you said it becomes lost as to where the > original > > information was stemmed.] > > > > Keep em comin' we just might lick this bunch yet! > > > > Linda in KCMO > > > > > The Lewis Younger in these records is the son of Joshua and Catherine > > Yoter, > > > Joshua's second wife. I'm very familiar with these records which are > > housed also > > > in the Bedford, Lawrence County IN Library. Unfortunately there is a > great > > > controversy over the use of the name Elizabeth Lee as the first wife of > > Joshua. > > > It seems impossible to erase and more impossible to document. The only > > evidence > > > of this statement is a letter Cole Younger wrote to the Governor of MO > > from > > > Stillwater Prison (who he hoped would get him a pardon). He made the > point > > that > > > he was eligible to join the Sons of the American Revolution. After all > > Joshua > > > Younger's first wife had been Miss Lee of Virginia a relative of Robert > E > > Lee. > > > The Lee family has been scraped clean by a horde of Younger researcher > and > > no > > > Miss Lee ever turned up. The public first started calling her "Lizzie" > Lee > > for > > > whatever reason I do not know. It finally evolved into Elizabeth Lee > where > > it > > > seems to be impregnated permanently into this family history. > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. 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