The Lewis Younger in these records is the son of Joshua and Catherine Yoter, Joshua's second wife. I'm very familiar with these records which are housed also in the Bedford, Lawrence County IN Library. Unfortunately there is a great controversy over the use of the name Elizabeth Lee as the first wife of Joshua. It seems impossible to erase and more impossible to document. The only evidence of this statement is a letter Cole Younger wrote to the Governor of MO from Stillwater Prison (who he hoped would get him a pardon). He made the point that he was eligible to join the Sons of the American Revolution. After all Joshua Younger's first wife had been Miss Lee of Virginia a relative of Robert E Lee. The Lee family has been scraped clean by a horde of Younger researcher and no Miss Lee ever turned up. The public first started calling her "Lizzie" Lee for whatever reason I do not know. It finally evolved into Elizabeth Lee where it seems to be impregnated permanently into this family history. There is a possible Lee connection which comes out of Maryland through Virgina and into KY. A man by the name of William Lee and his brother Wilford are closely connected with Henry Younger of KY. This presupposes a relationship of Henry to Kennard and Joshua which is suspected but not proven. I don't believe, however, this Lee family bears any relationship to the LEE'S of VIRGINIA (Richard, Hancock et al) We have to remember that Cole wrote his letter a full one hundred years after the fact. Perhaps he was not lying - just mistaken. There is a teeny tiny shred of truth in Cole's comment. One of Charles Younger's illegitimate daughters married a man who is a shirt tail relative of the Lee family. The relationship belonged to her husband and she was a half sister of the Gang's father. He told another story in the same letter which has caused no end of trouble. He claimed the Younger family was of German descent. Joshua's second wife was truly German but the Gang's father descended from the first wife who to this day has been unidentified. JYG wrote: > In a search for any Lewis Younger: > > -The National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Volumes 1-85, 1600s-1900s: > Volume 67, Nicholas County, Kentucky, Apprenticeship Bonds, Page 177, Susan > C. Eades and Elizabeth T. Clough. > (Extracted from Nicholas County Deed Books at Carlisle, Kentucky, all > spellings are as they appear.) > > Alexander, David, infant orphan of Zachariah Alexander, 16 years of age 25 > Dec 1827, bound to Lewis Younger to learn trade of farmer, 27 Aug 1827 > (G:546) > > -Genealogical Records: Midwest Pioneers, 1600s-1800s:Soldiers of the > Revolution Buried in Indiana, Records of Revolutionary Soldiers Surnames, > Y-Z, Page 394 > > YOUNGER, Joshua Lawrence County > Born-May 11, 1755, Vir. > Service-Pri. in Capt. William Vanse's CO., Col. James Wood's 12th Vir. regt. > Wounded. Discharged May 1779. > Proof-Pension Claim W. 10009. > Died-Aug 2, 1834. Buried Leatherwood Cemetery. Government marker placer by > John Wallace Chapter D.A.R. > Married-First W., Lizzie Lee. Ch. Lizzie. Second W. 1787, Catherine Yoter. > Ch. Stephen; Polly; Nimrod; Sallie; Mary; John; Garrett; Lewis. > Collected by John Wallace Chapter D.A.R. > > This was a great find for me, as I had not been able to prove his stats, nor > the fact that he served in the Revolution! Funny what we find when not > looking, as this came up merely because I was looking for a Lewis. > > Linda in KCMO > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Golly! I certainly am learning alot from you Wilma, you know your stuff! It has been an accepted fact that Joshua Logan married Elizabeth Lee, and time and again is mention she descended from "Lighthorse Harry." As you stated this must have come from Cole's letters. You are right about him stating they came from Germany and indeed Catherine Yoter was from Strasbourg, but she was not his ancestor, or was she? Back to the drawing board! :) Here is what I have gathered, again these sources are still being sought. Elizabeth Lee b 27 Feb 1755 Leesylvania, Prince William, Va; parents Henry Lee, Jr., Lucy Grymes [This would make her sister of "Lighthorse Harry," not a daughter.] d 15 Sep 1787 Hampshire, Va, Usa m Jul 1771 Barren, Ky, Usa {This may have come from Marley Brant. I think I will email her and see what she says on this family and any sources she may have used. I am also in contact with author, Ted Yateman, who has done a great deal of work on the James-Youngers. I have yet to read his new book, as it is going to need my full atention, being highly documented and detailed. I think this winter, with cold days and nights by the fire will serve it's purpose. With one person quoting another, as you said it becomes lost as to where the original information was stemmed.] Keep em comin' we just might lick this bunch yet! Linda in KCMO > The Lewis Younger in these records is the son of Joshua and Catherine Yoter, > Joshua's second wife. I'm very familiar with these records which are housed also > in the Bedford, Lawrence County IN Library. Unfortunately there is a great > controversy over the use of the name Elizabeth Lee as the first wife of Joshua. > It seems impossible to erase and more impossible to document. The only evidence > of this statement is a letter Cole Younger wrote to the Governor of MO from > Stillwater Prison (who he hoped would get him a pardon). He made the point that > he was eligible to join the Sons of the American Revolution. After all Joshua > Younger's first wife had been Miss Lee of Virginia a relative of Robert E Lee. > The Lee family has been scraped clean by a horde of Younger researcher and no > Miss Lee ever turned up. The public first started calling her "Lizzie" Lee for > whatever reason I do not know. It finally evolved into Elizabeth Lee where it > seems to be impregnated permanently into this family history.

The following is from the book "The Story of Cole Younger" by Himself. published in 1903. For what it's worth, I'll quote Chapter One, paragraph three in it's entirity (thats not spelled right is it?) and then stand back and let the fur fly.......:) QUOTE My people had always been prominent, politically. It was born in the blood. My great grandmother on my father's side was a daughter of "Lighthorse Harry" Lee, whose proud memory we all cherish. The Youngers came from Strasburg and helped to rule there when it was a free city. Henry Washington Yonger, my father, represented Jackson County three times in the legislature, and was also judge of the county court. My mother, who was Bursheba Fristoe of Independence, was the daughter of Richard Fristoe who fought under General Andrew Jackson at New Orleans, Jackson County having been so named at my grandfather Fristoe's insistence. Mother was descended from the Sullivans, Ladens and Percivals of South Carolina, the Taylors of Virginia and the Fristoes of Tennessee, and my grandfather Fristoe was a grand nephew of Chief Justice John Marshall of Virginia. UNQUOTE That is the only reference Cole makes to "Miss Lee" in the entire book, and as you notice he did not tell us her given name. CY ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] > Golly! I certainly am learning alot from you Wilma, you know your stuff! It > has been an accepted fact that Joshua Logan married Elizabeth Lee, and time > and again is mention she descended from "Lighthorse Harry." As you stated > this must have come from Cole's letters. You are right about him stating > they came from Germany and indeed Catherine Yoter was from Strasbourg, but > she was not his ancestor, or was she? Back to the drawing board! :) > > Here is what I have gathered, again these sources are still being sought. > Elizabeth Lee > b 27 Feb 1755 Leesylvania, Prince William, Va; parents Henry Lee, Jr., Lucy > Grymes [This would make her sister of "Lighthorse Harry," not a daughter.] > d 15 Sep 1787 Hampshire, Va, Usa > m Jul 1771 Barren, Ky, Usa > {This may have come from Marley Brant. I think I will email her and see what > she says on this family and any sources she may have used. I am also in > contact with author, Ted Yateman, who has done a great deal of work on the > James-Youngers. I have yet to read his new book, as it is going to need my > full atention, being highly documented and detailed. I think this winter, > with cold days and nights by the fire will serve it's purpose. With one > person quoting another, as you said it becomes lost as to where the original > information was stemmed.] > > Keep em comin' we just might lick this bunch yet! > > Linda in KCMO > > > The Lewis Younger in these records is the son of Joshua and Catherine > Yoter, > > Joshua's second wife. I'm very familiar with these records which are > housed also > > in the Bedford, Lawrence County IN Library. Unfortunately there is a great > > controversy over the use of the name Elizabeth Lee as the first wife of > Joshua. > > It seems impossible to erase and more impossible to document. The only > evidence > > of this statement is a letter Cole Younger wrote to the Governor of MO > from > > Stillwater Prison (who he hoped would get him a pardon). He made the point > that > > he was eligible to join the Sons of the American Revolution. After all > Joshua > > Younger's first wife had been Miss Lee of Virginia a relative of Robert E > Lee. > > The Lee family has been scraped clean by a horde of Younger researcher and > no > > Miss Lee ever turned up. The public first started calling her "Lizzie" Lee > for > > whatever reason I do not know. It finally evolved into Elizabeth Lee where > it > > seems to be impregnated permanently into this family history. > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > >

I don't think that ANYBODY has ever documented the fact that "Miss Lee" was the daughter of Lighthorse Harry. I'll look into it. Cole was a robber and a murderer...why not a liar also? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford D. Younger, Sr." <cyounger@mediaone.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] > > The following is from the book "The Story of Cole Younger" by Himself. > published in 1903. For what it's worth, I'll quote Chapter One, paragraph > three in it's entirity (thats not spelled right is it?) and then stand back > and > let the fur fly.......:) > > QUOTE > My people had always been prominent, politically. It was born in the > blood. My great grandmother on my father's side was a daughter of > "Lighthorse Harry" Lee, whose proud memory we all cherish. The Youngers came > from Strasburg and helped to rule there when it was a free city. Henry > Washington Yonger, my father, represented Jackson County three times in the > legislature, and was also judge of the county court. My mother, who was > Bursheba Fristoe of Independence, was the daughter of Richard Fristoe who > fought under General Andrew Jackson at New Orleans, Jackson County having > been so named at my grandfather Fristoe's insistence. Mother was descended > from the Sullivans, Ladens and Percivals of South Carolina, the Taylors of > Virginia and the Fristoes of Tennessee, and my grandfather Fristoe was a > grand nephew of Chief Justice John Marshall of Virginia. > UNQUOTE > > That is the only reference Cole makes to "Miss Lee" in the entire book, and > as you notice he did not tell us her given name. > > CY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] > > > > Golly! I certainly am learning alot from you Wilma, you know your stuff! > It > > has been an accepted fact that Joshua Logan married Elizabeth Lee, and > time > > and again is mention she descended from "Lighthorse Harry." As you stated > > this must have come from Cole's letters. You are right about him stating > > they came from Germany and indeed Catherine Yoter was from Strasbourg, but > > she was not his ancestor, or was she? Back to the drawing board! :) > > > > Here is what I have gathered, again these sources are still being sought. > > Elizabeth Lee > > b 27 Feb 1755 Leesylvania, Prince William, Va; parents Henry Lee, Jr., > Lucy > > Grymes [This would make her sister of "Lighthorse Harry," not a daughter.] > > d 15 Sep 1787 Hampshire, Va, Usa > > m Jul 1771 Barren, Ky, Usa > > {This may have come from Marley Brant. I think I will email her and see > what > > she says on this family and any sources she may have used. I am also in > > contact with author, Ted Yateman, who has done a great deal of work on the > > James-Youngers. I have yet to read his new book, as it is going to need my > > full atention, being highly documented and detailed. I think this winter, > > with cold days and nights by the fire will serve it's purpose. With one > > person quoting another, as you said it becomes lost as to where the > original > > information was stemmed.] > > > > Keep em comin' we just might lick this bunch yet! > > > > Linda in KCMO > > > > > The Lewis Younger in these records is the son of Joshua and Catherine > > Yoter, > > > Joshua's second wife. I'm very familiar with these records which are > > housed also > > > in the Bedford, Lawrence County IN Library. Unfortunately there is a > great > > > controversy over the use of the name Elizabeth Lee as the first wife of > > Joshua. > > > It seems impossible to erase and more impossible to document. The only > > evidence > > > of this statement is a letter Cole Younger wrote to the Governor of MO > > from > > > Stillwater Prison (who he hoped would get him a pardon). He made the > point > > that > > > he was eligible to join the Sons of the American Revolution. After all > > Joshua > > > Younger's first wife had been Miss Lee of Virginia a relative of Robert > E > > Lee. > > > The Lee family has been scraped clean by a horde of Younger researcher > and > > no > > > Miss Lee ever turned up. The public first started calling her "Lizzie" > Lee > > for > > > whatever reason I do not know. It finally evolved into Elizabeth Lee > where > > it > > > seems to be impregnated permanently into this family history. > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. If Need any help just e-mail Younger-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

The unfortunate part about this "accepted theory" is that there doesn't seem to be any documentation of a sister Elizabeth in Light Horse Harry's family. It would be impossible for Joshua and his first wife to marry in Barren County in 1771 because there was no Barren County until 1799. All of Kentucky was divided into three counties, Fayette, Lincoln and Jefferson, in the early days while it still belonged to Virginia. Kentucky became a state in 1792. The earliest Joshua appears in Kentucky is 1788 in Nelson County - which is still pretty early for KY. The Indian troubles were barely over and there was occasionally still some problems. It is not likely that Joshua's first wife ever came to Kentucky. He married for the second time to Catherine Yoter in 1787 in Hampshire County VA. It looks like they got married and headed west. He also served in the Revolutionary War (Washington at Valley Forge -documented) from Hampshire County so his family apparently was there for awhile. His first three children, including the gang's grandfather probably were born there. By the way, about Ted Yateman. Is he the author who was researching the gang's activities which occurred all over the United States? It seems according to him that southern sympathizers left their homes and collected in a county in California (which name I can not now remember). Cole was sent to recruit them for Quantrill's Raiders and after the war, picked up gang members in whatever state or locality they were in for their activities - leaving the transient members behind to continue their farms - whatever. It was an explanation for the number of men who claimed to have ridden with the gang. He was a fascinating speaker but his book was in progress and I never heard of him after I heard him speak several years ago. His family was from North Carolina. If this is the same fellow, I certainly would like to get a copy of his book. JYG wrote: > Golly! I certainly am learning alot from you Wilma, you know your stuff! It > has been an accepted fact that Joshua Logan married Elizabeth Lee, and time > and again is mention she descended from "Lighthorse Harry." As you stated > this must have come from Cole's letters. You are right about him stating > they came from Germany and indeed Catherine Yoter was from Strasbourg, but > she was not his ancestor, or was she? Back to the drawing board! :) > > Here is what I have gathered, again these sources are still being sought. > Elizabeth Lee > b 27 Feb 1755 Leesylvania, Prince William, Va; parents Henry Lee, Jr., Lucy > Grymes [This would make her sister of "Lighthorse Harry," not a daughter.] > d 15 Sep 1787 Hampshire, Va, Usa > m Jul 1771 Barren, Ky, Usa > {This may have come from Marley Brant. I think I will email her and see what > she says on this family and any sources she may have used. I am also in > contact with author, Ted Yateman, who has done a great deal of work on the > James-Youngers. I have yet to read his new book, as it is going to need my > full atention, being highly documented and detailed. I think this winter, > with cold days and nights by the fire will serve it's purpose. With one > person quoting another, as you said it becomes lost as to where the original > information was stemmed.] > > Keep em comin' we just might lick this bunch yet! > > Linda in KCMO > > > The Lewis Younger in these records is the son of Joshua and Catherine > Yoter, > > Joshua's second wife. I'm very familiar with these records which are > housed also > > in the Bedford, Lawrence County IN Library. Unfortunately there is a great > > controversy over the use of the name Elizabeth Lee as the first wife of > Joshua. > > It seems impossible to erase and more impossible to document. The only > evidence > > of this statement is a letter Cole Younger wrote to the Governor of MO > from > > Stillwater Prison (who he hoped would get him a pardon). He made the point > that > > he was eligible to join the Sons of the American Revolution. After all > Joshua > > Younger's first wife had been Miss Lee of Virginia a relative of Robert E > Lee. > > The Lee family has been scraped clean by a horde of Younger researcher and > no > > Miss Lee ever turned up. The public first started calling her "Lizzie" Lee > for > > whatever reason I do not know. It finally evolved into Elizabeth Lee where > it > > seems to be impregnated permanently into this family history. > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2