Ann Miller Bp 11 Mar 1707 St. Paul's Parish, Kent, Md, to Arthur and Sarah Miller LDS Film #0014206, item 2 (1650-1818) Miller, Michael, Kent Co.,29th Dec., 1698; 10th June, 1700. To son Michael and hrs., all land on Swan Ck. and all land on Kent Island. To son Arthur and hrs., 1000 A., "Godlington Manor," recorded on Kent Co. records as a deed of gift, dated 3rd Feb., 1696; also 325 A. (unnamed) purchased from And. Skinner, 200 A., part of 400 A. purchased from Edward Plesto; 500 A., "St. Martin's in the Fields"; "Arcadia" and residue of estate at death of his mother. In event of death of either son afsd. survivor to inherit deceased's portion. Should both sons die without issue, estate to pass to dau. Alice Winkes and hrs. To William Apsley at 22 yrs. of age and hrs., 150 A., residue of land in Cecil Co. To Kenelm Cheseldyne and Edward Sweatnam, personalty. To wife Ann, life interest in entire estate, real and personal, bequeathed to son Arthur afsd. Exs.: Wife Ann, sons Michael and Arthur and Edward Sweatnam afsd. Test: S. Willmer, Nath'l Hillen, Eliza: North. 3. 27. SOURCE: -MARYLAND CALENDAR OF WILLS: Volume 3. (Could this be father of Arthur Miller, (father of Ann)? This would say she was named after her grandmother, Ann). Blakiston, William, Kent Co.,16th Mch., 1736-7; 10th May, 1737. To wife Ann, extx., dwelling plantation -- during widowhood; and personalty, wife afsd. to pay cortain personalty to William Moore. To daus. Mary, Ann Miller, Hanna and Rose, son William and unborn child, personalty. Shd. dau. Ann afsd. die without more issue legacy bequeathed her to pass to grandson Arthur Miller and hrs. Son William to receive legacy at age of 21. To son Ebenezer and hrs., dwelling plantation -- and personalty. Residue of personal estate divided among four youngest child, and wife. Test: James Ringgold, Sarah Blakiston, Jonathan Whitworth. 21. 791. SOURCE: -MARYLAND CALENDAR OF WILLS: Volume 7 (If Arthur Miller's father was Michael Miller, who names wife Ann in his will above, this could be her father giving us her last name Blakiston. Is this too far fetched?) Pearce, Daniel, Kent Co.,20th June, 1726; 4th Jan., 1727. To wife Mary, dwell. plan. -- with half the lands adj., viz. "Verona," "Slip," "Chance" and pt. of "Friendship," during life; at her decease to be divided bet. son Andrew and dau. Sarah; division to be made by James Smyth and Arthur Miller, Sr. To dau. Sarah, Arthur, son of Arthur Miller, Sr., and Sarah, wife of Arthur Miller, personalty. To son Andrew and hrs., 40 A. adj. "Tibbott" given by father --, dec'd, to sd. son; 200 A. "New Holland," bou. of Wm. Burrar; and personalty lent to Isaac Caulk. To son-in-law Thos. Hynson and Isabell, his wife, and their hrs., 200 A. "Castle Carey," at hd. of Island Ck., bou. of Wm. Chivens, 200 A. "Friendship," 400 A. "New Munster," Elk R., Cecil Co.; sd. Thos. and Isabel dying without issue, sd. lands to revert to son Andrew and hrs. To wife and 3 child., viz. Isabell, Andrew and Sarah, personal estate equally, allowance to be made for portion already given dau. Isabell. Rents from 2 plantations to be used for schooling of son Andrew and dau. Sarah. Exs.: Son Andrew and Arthur Miller, Sr. Test: Jno. Johnson, Edwd. Fottrell, John Evans. 19, 361. SOURCE: -MARYLAND CALENDAR OF WILLS: Volume 6. (I had mentioned someone placing George Younger and a Miss Pearce as parents of Humphrey Younger. I have no clue why, but what about this theory: Could Ann Miller's mother be Sarah Pearce and this is the connection to this name?) Linda in KCMO

For Cole Younger's grandmother to have been a daughter of this man (Lighthorse Harry) would have been highly unlikely. Cole's father Henry Washington Younger was born in 1810, son of Charles Younger born in 1779, whose father Joshua Younger was born in 1752. To be the mother of Charles Younger, Miss Lee would have to have been born between 1766 and 1849, making her from 13-50 years old at his birth. I hope you are following this train of thought. Lighthorse Harry Lee was born 1756, four years younger than Joshua Logan Younger. For his daughter to be the mother of Charles Younger, here are the candidates: Daughters with first wife, Matilda Lee- 1. Lucy Grymes Lee (ONLY CANDIDATE) b 1786; d 1860 m bef 1802 Bernard Moore Carter who dies in 1850; together having a son in 1802. 2. Unknown female who was born and died in 1790. Harry marries a second time in 1793, BUT, Charles was already having children himself by this time! It was stated by Cole Younger that some type of genealogy chart hung on the Younger family wall and was burned by Union soldiers, likely meaning when they burned his home it went too. I have not read what part of his family this chart contained... Younger or Fristoe, or both. This may have been where Cole learned of his ancestry. If we find more about what was contained on this wall hanging we might know just who he was referring to. (I am going to go back over his bio tonight and read it again, its a small book!) I was told by a librarian that a very old "book of genealogy" existed on the Cole Younger's ancestors, again not stating which branch. I believe she stated this book was being inventoried, but never reached shelving, as it was stolen. I think I am repeating this story, sorry but I write to so many folks out there. Wilma, I too am a shirt-tail (I think this includes me) relative to the Youngers and the more I find out about them and the war and what was done to his sisters and mother it gets upsetting. One of my families took Bursheba and the children in when they fled from Jackson to Waverly in Lafayette county. The husband was shot and killed in his own yard for not telling where Quantrell, Frank James and Cole Younger had gone, as they had been staying in the barn there. This was John Wigginton (killed 25 Aug 1864) and his wife Mary Ann, 1st cousin to Bursheba and gr gr (?) aunt to me. Does anyone have the actual Rev War Records for Joshua Logan Younger? It appears from a DAR report that it states his first wife was Lizzie Lee and I am wondering if this is in the record, or a DAR claim??? I would like a copy of this record and may send for it if no one has a copy I might obtain. Again, Wilma H.- I believe you might be onto something when you say Cole may have not known his blood grandmother and believing his grandmother to be Catharine Yoter. Does anyone have anything on her ancestry other than her birth-death? Being that she came from exactly where Cole stated the Youngers came, I believe this is where it's stem lies. I have also seen that some have George Younger and Miss Pearce as parents of Humphrey Younger (1677-1740), any response to where this came from? Interesting about Barren county and settlement of Kentucky. As stated I am re-gathering sources (which is coming along nicely) as I can and will certainly look more deeply into the mother of Charles Lee Younger! It might be an idea to look into early settlers of Indiana for information on Joshua, such as histories-settlements. It is also an avenue I will be travelling, to see who Elizabeth Lee was (and if she died or was married), daughter of Henry Lee and Lucy Grymes and sister to Lighthorse Harry. I was under the impression this family (LEE) had been researched and highly documented, so I had not looked further into the Lees as they are a tangled bunch into early Virginia. Linda in KCMO

> I think you are caught up in the wrong Littleton. I think you are looking for Littleton > W not Littleton Purcell. Littleton W. b 1813 KY d Yamhill OR; bur Brownsville Pioneer > Cemetery. He was married to Eliza Sampson also b KY. He was the son of Charles Younger > and Sarah Sullivan Purcell. On the 1850 Clay County MO census, you will find a son, > Joshua b 1836. I don't have a Littleton W., but two Littleton Purcells... oh my-oh my, where lies the truth? :) Marley Brant only mentions one Littleton and he was Littleton Purcell Younger (full bro the Henry Washington Younger), she calls "uncle" to Cole and 1/2 brother to "Frank" Younger (Charles Franklin Younger-brother of Bruce and T. J. Younger). Here are the three??: 1. Littleton Younger b 1811 to Joshua Logan and Catharine Yoter Younger. (married who?) 2. Littleton Purcell Younger b 1816 to Charles Lee Younger and Sarah Sullivan Purcell. (m Elizabeth Sampson?) As per descendants Deanna Baker and Lynn Strandburg; Marley Brant. 3. Littleton Purcell Younger b 1842 to Coleman Purcell and Ellinor Murray Younger. (married who?) I might as well add, descendant Jim Chase, and others have the following name discrepancy. They have Thomas Coleman Younger, who went by the name Coleman and resided in California, for which I have seen stated here as Coleman Purcell Younger who married Ellinor Murray. Where is his name written/stated Coleman Purcell Younger? In the 1840, 1850 and 1860 census he is called Coleman. Wasn't he titled Major as well? I am going to have to go back to old snail-mail to find this and other information I have received. This has nothing to do with anything except the mention of the Lee connection for mother of Charles Lee Younger. The man above, whatever name was correct, had with Augusta peters Inskeep, a daughter Alice Lee Younger and a son Henry Lee "Harry" Younger (died age2). There seems to have been some connection to the Lees.....somewhere, sometime? I have about 5 books on the Youngers, and to my knowledge all of the books on the James Boys, including first Editions from 1880-1882 period if anyone has something they want me to look up. I am trying to transcribe these OLD books, (which some fall apart when pages are turned) into txt files so I can look things up easier.... another timely task. Where do I get these ideas??? :) Wilma, that was Ted P. Yeatman and the book was: "Frank and Jesse James: The Story Behind the Legend." Pub 2000. He said his publisher was in a big rush and there are errors in the book. He asked several of us to note any found, so he can place them correctly in the next printing. I am looking forward to this book and if you like documentation, most of the book is just filled with it! I highly reccommend this book to any person interested in this topic. You can find Ted on the Delphi.com board just look for Jesse James topic and sign in. Lots of great stuff there and people who are "Gang" members congregate to share ideas. Linda in KCMO-trying to make sense of it all :)

Thanks for the offer on Pilgram, I am having enough of a problem with Greenway, Goodwin and the Davis's. Thanks to a lot of work by the Stone County Historical society and Wilma Norton, my Younger line is in reasonable shape through about 1605. ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Younger" <scjyounger2@hotmail.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 1:04 AM Subject: [YOUNGER] Rutha, Rutha, documentation, and Genealogy at work > Okay everybody- > First, I'm sorry for causing a ruckus over the Ruthas. I was at work and > didn't have my database with me, apparently my memory isn't so hot. Willie > and Wilma, your records match mine (your documentation is better though). > And second, HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET DOCUMENTATION FROM THE LDS SITE? I > just seem to get lost. For a while, I was downloading every gedcom I could > find just to grab the sources and notes (that's a joy, let me tell you - my > hard drive still groans everytime I go into a download screen) and most of > them are EMPTY. Brownie, I just couldn't find the info from Stone Co you > were talking about. Seems I'm cursed or something. Gotta be gremlins. > Would you mind directing me a little? > > And if you think a couple of "in the family" marriages will throw a kink in > your research, you should see the piles of air I got from chasing my Native > American roots all over the west coast and Canada. That's why I like this > forum so much at least our history isn't 80% verbal. > > Bob - I'm don't know what kind of info you have on Matilda Ann Pilgrim's > line, but one of our cousins (Billy Pilgrim of Houston) sent me eight or so > generations along with a great deal of notes if you're interested. It goes > back to 1650 in England. (The offer is inclusive, by the way) > > Stephen > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Sarah Terry and John Younger married 8 Oct 1830. She and John had a daughter they named Sarah in 1834 - exactly right for your census (16). The mother was born in 1810 so she was 40. Her husband had been dead only two years at the taking of the 1850 census. I suspect Mary Terry is a maiden sister or a widowed sister in law who came to live with her during her widowhood. It would have been a good arrangement for both of them - whoever Mary was. Wilma Norton wrote: > In 1850 Halifax Co. VA census I find a Sarah Younger, evidently a widow, she > has $2000. value of real estate, born VA with Sarah A. Younger 16 VA and > Mary N(?) Terry, 44 VA living with her. > > Would she be the Sarah Terry who married John Younger, son of Williamson and > Mary Bomar Younger? > > Wilma > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Littleton Purcell b 1842 Liberty, MO is the son of Coleman Purcell Younger and Eleanor Murray. He was the grandson of Charles and Sarah Sullivan Purcell. Wilma Norton wrote: > So, is there a Littleton Purcell Younger? And if so, where does he belong? > Wilma > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wilma C. Hillman <hillman@one.net> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Joshua Younger of Oregon > > > I think you are caught up in the wrong Littleton. I think you are looking > for Littleton > > W not Littleton Purcell. Littleton W. b 1813 KY d Yamhill OR; bur > Brownsville Pioneer > > Cemetery. He was married to Eliza Sampson also b KY. He was the son of > Charles Younger > > and Sarah Sullivan Purcell. On the 1850 Clay County MO census, you will > find a son, > > Joshua b 1836. > > > > Yor grandfather was not kidding you. Littleton W was a brother to Henry > Washington, the > > father of the gang. Welcome to the family- > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. If Need any help just e-mail Younger-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Thanks again, do you have the death date for John and Sarah? ----- Original Message ----- From: Wilma C. Hillman <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Sarah Younger - Halifax Co. VA > Sarah Terry and John Younger married 8 Oct 1830. She and John had a daughter they named > Sarah in 1834 - exactly right for your census (16). The mother was born in 1810 so she > was 40. Her husband had been dead only two years at the taking of the 1850 census. I > suspect Mary Terry is a maiden sister or a widowed sister in law who came to live with > her during her widowhood. It would have been a good arrangement for both of them - > whoever Mary was. > > Wilma Norton wrote: > > > In 1850 Halifax Co. VA census I find a Sarah Younger, evidently a widow, she > > has $2000. value of real estate, born VA with Sarah A. Younger 16 VA and > > Mary N(?) Terry, 44 VA living with her. > > > > Would she be the Sarah Terry who married John Younger, son of Williamson and > > Mary Bomar Younger? > > > > Wilma > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Thanks, I had Littleton Purcell (which should be Littleton W.) from Marley Brants book, he born 1813 KY. She lists the children of Littleton and Eliza Simpson as Judy, Joshua, Sidney, Charles S., Mildred, Nero, Amos, Eliza and Sarah -- is this correct? He was the only Littleton Purcell I had. Wilma ----- Original Message ----- From: Wilma C. Hillman <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Joshua Younger of Oregon > Littleton Purcell b 1842 Liberty, MO is the son of Coleman Purcell Younger and Eleanor Murray. He was the > grandson of Charles and Sarah Sullivan Purcell. > > Wilma Norton wrote: > > > So, is there a Littleton Purcell Younger? And if so, where does he belong? > > Wilma

In 1850 Halifax Co. VA census I find a Sarah Younger, evidently a widow, she has $2000. value of real estate, born VA with Sarah A. Younger 16 VA and Mary N(?) Terry, 44 VA living with her. Would she be the Sarah Terry who married John Younger, son of Williamson and Mary Bomar Younger? Wilma

I think you are caught up in the wrong Littleton. I think you are looking for Littleton W not Littleton Purcell. Littleton W. b 1813 KY d Yamhill OR; bur Brownsville Pioneer Cemetery. He was married to Eliza Sampson also b KY. He was the son of Charles Younger and Sarah Sullivan Purcell. On the 1850 Clay County MO census, you will find a son, Joshua b 1836. Yor grandfather was not kidding you. Littleton W was a brother to Henry Washington, the father of the gang. Welcome to the family- JYG wrote: > I have the following on Joshua Younger, (son of Littleton Purcell Younger): > b 1836 Liberty, Clay, Mo, Usa > d bef 1868 Linn, Or, Usa > m 21 Jan 1864 Linn, Or, Usa, Edith Coshow > I don't have access online to the 1850 MO census, but I am sure you would > find him there with his father. There are descendants of Littleton you > should be able to contact at the following: > http://genforum.genealogy.com/younger/ > Just post: Littleton Purcell descendants, and that will get their attention, > if it hasn't here. Good luck. (And they were cousins to the outlaw Younger > Brothers.) > > Linda in KCMO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <tarah200@Home.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 7:24 PM > Subject: [YOUNGER] Re: Joshua Younger > > > > > > > Thanks for your replies. I don't know if there is any connection though, > darn it. The only record I can find is a marriage date of 21 Jan. 1863 in > Linn County, Oregon, of Joshua and Edith Coshow. My grandfather told me that > his grandfather Joshua came from Missouri. Grandfather also told me that > Joshua was a cousin to the Younger Brothers that rode with Jesse James. I > wonder if he was kidding? They seem to have hid out every time a census was > taken. I'm having a hard time tracking anything down on them. Joshua's > father could have been Littleton Purcell Younger, born 1813 in Montgomery > County, Kentucky, died 23 June 1893 in Brownsville, Oregon. (I took a photo > of his tombstone last time I was in Brownsville.) He arrived in Oregon in > September 1853. Thanks for any help. > > Stephanie > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. If Need any help just > e-mail Younger-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

I'm probably guilty. I'll really work on doing that. Thanks for the tip. NKYList@aol.com wrote: > Please folks, can we use a topic in the subject line of our e-mails?????? > And when the topic changes mid-thread (as it sometimes does), try to remember > to change the topic? It makes it so much easier to follow. > > Thanks :-) > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Caleb Beck was married to Mary Kennard, sister of Sarah Kennard Younger (John) both daughters of Philip Kennard, Jr. Why did Caleb bequeath in his will to ""Joseph Bown (or Browne), son of James Younger, alias Bown" James would be John Younger's brother. Why would his brother and sister-in-law have his brother's child? And why the name Brown? Is this another of those sticky wickets?

According to Arthur Miller's will recently exhibited on this List a will written 25 July 1750 he bequeathed to "Humphrey Younger; Nehemiah Younger, son of Humphrey and Ann". It appears Ann was Ann Miller and daughter of Arthur Miller. The first evidence of Mary as Humphrey's wife is 27 Nov 1753 when Humphrey sold his land to John Kennard. By 1759 Humphrey and Mary were living in Frederick County MD. Source: Maryland Patent Index, Frederick County MD; Cert 316 for 1/2 acre [BC&GS #12 & 13, pps. 477 & 489 respectively] From these records, I conclude that Ann was the first wife of Humphrey (Jr.) who was deceased by the writing of her father's will. That leads me to believe that Humphrey remarried sometime between 1750 and 1753. JYG wrote: > On a search for Nehemiah Younger, came the following: > > Nehemiah Younger > m1 Hannah OSBORN 28 Jun 1787 A. A., Md > m2 Rachel LYTLE 15 Sep 1793 Baltimore, Md. > SOURCE: > -Maryland Marriage Index, 1655-1850. > [Younger-Osborn] [Younger-Lytle] > > Robert Phelps, of AA Co., d. leaving a will dated 7 March 1799 and proved 9 > May 1799. He left his entire estate to his bro. George Phelps. Nehemiah > Younger and Samuel Crane wit. the will. {AAWB JG#2:80} > SOURCE: > Family History: Colonial Families of Maryland, 1600s-1900s: Colonial > Families of Anne Arundel County, MD, The Phelps Family, Page 206. > > Marriage Licenses-AA County > Nehemiah Younger m Trisley TAYLOR, Nov. 7, 1803 > Nehemiah Younger m. Hannah OSBOON, June 28, 1787 > SOURCE: > Genealogical Records: Maryland Settlers & Soldiers, 1700s-1800s: Maryland > Records, Volume II, Marriage Records, Page 487. > > 1800 MD AA County (068) > Nehemiah Younger 20001-02101-01 > (We now know by 1800 he had 2 sons, 3 daughters and 1 slave. He was the only > Younger found in MD.) > > Family Search produced: > Nehemiah Younger m 28 Jun 1787, AA, Md, Usa, Hannan OSBORN > Nehemiah Younger m 5 Sep 1795, First Methodist Episcopal Church, Baltimore, > Baltimore, Md, Usa, Rachel LYTLE. > Nehemiah Younger m 9 or 10 Nov 1803, AA, Md, Usa, Triffy TAYLOR. (also > Tiffy, Trissy and Trisey) > > ancestry.com produced: > 1790 MD AA County Nehemiah Younger (405) 21400 [image online] > 1790 MD Balt. County Jacob Younger (203) 23400 [image online] > 1790 MD Kent County Joseph Younger [cannot read-bad scan] > 1790 MD Queen Anne's County Mary Younger (517) 01200 [image online] > 1790 NC Chatham County John Younger (225) 12200 [image online] > 1790 NC New Hanover County Thomas Younger (057) 11200 [image online] > 1790 NC Wilkes County Jos Younger (157) 11110 [image online] > 1800 MD AA County (068) Nehemiah Younger [as above] > 1810 VA Ohio County (006) Nehemiah Younger 02201-10101-00 > > Wilma Hillman, you wrote, we now know Nehemiah Younger was son of Humphrey > Jr., but the doc stated, son of Humphrey and ANN Younger. Can you explain > this? Did Mary also use the name Ann? Thankyou. > > Linda in KCMO > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

So, is there a Littleton Purcell Younger? And if so, where does he belong? Wilma ----- Original Message ----- From: Wilma C. Hillman <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Joshua Younger of Oregon > I think you are caught up in the wrong Littleton. I think you are looking for Littleton > W not Littleton Purcell. Littleton W. b 1813 KY d Yamhill OR; bur Brownsville Pioneer > Cemetery. He was married to Eliza Sampson also b KY. He was the son of Charles Younger > and Sarah Sullivan Purcell. On the 1850 Clay County MO census, you will find a son, > Joshua b 1836. > > Yor grandfather was not kidding you. Littleton W was a brother to Henry Washington, the > father of the gang. Welcome to the family- >

I don't think fur need to fly. I will stand by my mantra "Show me the documentation". Cole was somewhat grandiose and generous with the truth. I also have a copy of that book on my shelf. Cole was quite right about his family being prestigious. His father had been the mayor of Harrisonville, MO and his grandfather was a very large land and slave holder.His great grandfather had been wounded in Jersey while with Washington in the Valley Forge campaign. It is true that Bursheba's family was a shirt-tail relative of Chief Justice Marshal (not direct line). That is what is so amazing about he and his brothers taking up a life of crime. That takes us in another direction, however. One has to understand the border wars in Kansas and Missouri to understand what happened to the Younger family there. But that aside, let's get back to the nitty gritty. Cole Younger, was the son of Henry Washington Younger who was the son of Charles Younger son of Joshua and his first wife. It was the half sisters and brothers of their great grandfather, Charles, who were German. Catherine Yoter would have been the only great grandmother he would have known since Joshua's first wife died before Joshua married again (we assume). Cole may not have meant to lie. He may have grown up hearing the stories of Catherine Yoter's family. I have no way of knowing if her family was of great import or not. Unfortunately, the facts don't pass muster. No one can blame a man for embellishing the truth when his character was so diminished. Mixed in it all are crumbles of truth. I am sad for Cole and the Youngers. I am a shirt tail relative of theirs. I am a descendant of their greatgrandfather Charles' brother Peter. I would like nothing more than to think that I am even marginally related to Robert E Lee who I greatly admire. I just don't think it is true. Again - show me the documentaion. Now, did the fur fly? I never get riled over genealogy. I love nothing better than a good intellectual argument about genealogical research. Clifford D. Younger, Sr. wrote: > The following is from the book "The Story of Cole Younger" by Himself. > published in 1903. For what it's worth, I'll quote Chapter One, paragraph > three in it's entirity (thats not spelled right is it?) and then stand back > and > let the fur fly.......:) > > QUOTE > My people had always been prominent, politically. It was born in the > blood. My great grandmother on my father's side was a daughter of > "Lighthorse Harry" Lee, whose proud memory we all cherish. The Youngers came > from Strasburg and helped to rule there when it was a free city. Henry > Washington Yonger, my father, represented Jackson County three times in the > legislature, and was also judge of the county court. My mother, who was > Bursheba Fristoe of Independence, was the daughter of Richard Fristoe who > fought under General Andrew Jackson at New Orleans, Jackson County having > been so named at my grandfather Fristoe's insistence. Mother was descended > from the Sullivans, Ladens and Percivals of South Carolina, the Taylors of > Virginia and the Fristoes of Tennessee, and my grandfather Fristoe was a > grand nephew of Chief Justice John Marshall of Virginia. > UNQUOTE > > That is the only reference Cole makes to "Miss Lee" in the entire book, and > as you notice he did not tell us her given name. > > CY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] > > > Golly! I certainly am learning alot from you Wilma, you know your stuff! > It > > has been an accepted fact that Joshua Logan married Elizabeth Lee, and > time > > and again is mention she descended from "Lighthorse Harry." As you stated > > this must have come from Cole's letters. You are right about him stating > > they came from Germany and indeed Catherine Yoter was from Strasbourg, but > > she was not his ancestor, or was she? Back to the drawing board! :) > > > > Here is what I have gathered, again these sources are still being sought. > > Elizabeth Lee > > b 27 Feb 1755 Leesylvania, Prince William, Va; parents Henry Lee, Jr., > Lucy > > Grymes [This would make her sister of "Lighthorse Harry," not a daughter.] > > d 15 Sep 1787 Hampshire, Va, Usa > > m Jul 1771 Barren, Ky, Usa > > {This may have come from Marley Brant. I think I will email her and see > what > > she says on this family and any sources she may have used. I am also in > > contact with author, Ted Yateman, who has done a great deal of work on the > > James-Youngers. I have yet to read his new book, as it is going to need my > > full atention, being highly documented and detailed. I think this winter, > > with cold days and nights by the fire will serve it's purpose. With one > > person quoting another, as you said it becomes lost as to where the > original > > information was stemmed.] > > > > Keep em comin' we just might lick this bunch yet! > > > > Linda in KCMO > > > > > The Lewis Younger in these records is the son of Joshua and Catherine > > Yoter, > > > Joshua's second wife. I'm very familiar with these records which are > > housed also > > > in the Bedford, Lawrence County IN Library. Unfortunately there is a > great > > > controversy over the use of the name Elizabeth Lee as the first wife of > > Joshua. > > > It seems impossible to erase and more impossible to document. The only > > evidence > > > of this statement is a letter Cole Younger wrote to the Governor of MO > > from > > > Stillwater Prison (who he hoped would get him a pardon). He made the > point > > that > > > he was eligible to join the Sons of the American Revolution. After all > > Joshua > > > Younger's first wife had been Miss Lee of Virginia a relative of Robert > E > > Lee. > > > The Lee family has been scraped clean by a horde of Younger researcher > and > > no > > > Miss Lee ever turned up. The public first started calling her "Lizzie" > Lee > > for > > > whatever reason I do not know. It finally evolved into Elizabeth Lee > where > > it > > > seems to be impregnated permanently into this family history. > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. 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The unfortunate part about this "accepted theory" is that there doesn't seem to be any documentation of a sister Elizabeth in Light Horse Harry's family. It would be impossible for Joshua and his first wife to marry in Barren County in 1771 because there was no Barren County until 1799. All of Kentucky was divided into three counties, Fayette, Lincoln and Jefferson, in the early days while it still belonged to Virginia. Kentucky became a state in 1792. The earliest Joshua appears in Kentucky is 1788 in Nelson County - which is still pretty early for KY. The Indian troubles were barely over and there was occasionally still some problems. It is not likely that Joshua's first wife ever came to Kentucky. He married for the second time to Catherine Yoter in 1787 in Hampshire County VA. It looks like they got married and headed west. He also served in the Revolutionary War (Washington at Valley Forge -documented) from Hampshire County so his family apparently was there for awhile. His first three children, including the gang's grandfather probably were born there. By the way, about Ted Yateman. Is he the author who was researching the gang's activities which occurred all over the United States? It seems according to him that southern sympathizers left their homes and collected in a county in California (which name I can not now remember). Cole was sent to recruit them for Quantrill's Raiders and after the war, picked up gang members in whatever state or locality they were in for their activities - leaving the transient members behind to continue their farms - whatever. It was an explanation for the number of men who claimed to have ridden with the gang. He was a fascinating speaker but his book was in progress and I never heard of him after I heard him speak several years ago. His family was from North Carolina. If this is the same fellow, I certainly would like to get a copy of his book. JYG wrote: > Golly! I certainly am learning alot from you Wilma, you know your stuff! It > has been an accepted fact that Joshua Logan married Elizabeth Lee, and time > and again is mention she descended from "Lighthorse Harry." As you stated > this must have come from Cole's letters. You are right about him stating > they came from Germany and indeed Catherine Yoter was from Strasbourg, but > she was not his ancestor, or was she? Back to the drawing board! :) > > Here is what I have gathered, again these sources are still being sought. > Elizabeth Lee > b 27 Feb 1755 Leesylvania, Prince William, Va; parents Henry Lee, Jr., Lucy > Grymes [This would make her sister of "Lighthorse Harry," not a daughter.] > d 15 Sep 1787 Hampshire, Va, Usa > m Jul 1771 Barren, Ky, Usa > {This may have come from Marley Brant. I think I will email her and see what > she says on this family and any sources she may have used. I am also in > contact with author, Ted Yateman, who has done a great deal of work on the > James-Youngers. I have yet to read his new book, as it is going to need my > full atention, being highly documented and detailed. I think this winter, > with cold days and nights by the fire will serve it's purpose. With one > person quoting another, as you said it becomes lost as to where the original > information was stemmed.] > > Keep em comin' we just might lick this bunch yet! > > Linda in KCMO > > > The Lewis Younger in these records is the son of Joshua and Catherine > Yoter, > > Joshua's second wife. I'm very familiar with these records which are > housed also > > in the Bedford, Lawrence County IN Library. Unfortunately there is a great > > controversy over the use of the name Elizabeth Lee as the first wife of > Joshua. > > It seems impossible to erase and more impossible to document. The only > evidence > > of this statement is a letter Cole Younger wrote to the Governor of MO > from > > Stillwater Prison (who he hoped would get him a pardon). He made the point > that > > he was eligible to join the Sons of the American Revolution. After all > Joshua > > Younger's first wife had been Miss Lee of Virginia a relative of Robert E > Lee. > > The Lee family has been scraped clean by a horde of Younger researcher and > no > > Miss Lee ever turned up. The public first started calling her "Lizzie" Lee > for > > whatever reason I do not know. It finally evolved into Elizabeth Lee where > it > > seems to be impregnated permanently into this family history. > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Okay everybody- First, I'm sorry for causing a ruckus over the Ruthas. I was at work and didn't have my database with me, apparently my memory isn't so hot. Willie and Wilma, your records match mine (your documentation is better though). And second, HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET DOCUMENTATION FROM THE LDS SITE? I just seem to get lost. For a while, I was downloading every gedcom I could find just to grab the sources and notes (that's a joy, let me tell you - my hard drive still groans everytime I go into a download screen) and most of them are EMPTY. Brownie, I just couldn't find the info from Stone Co you were talking about. Seems I'm cursed or something. Gotta be gremlins. Would you mind directing me a little? And if you think a couple of "in the family" marriages will throw a kink in your research, you should see the piles of air I got from chasing my Native American roots all over the west coast and Canada. That's why I like this forum so much at least our history isn't 80% verbal. Bob - I'm don't know what kind of info you have on Matilda Ann Pilgrim's line, but one of our cousins (Billy Pilgrim of Houston) sent me eight or so generations along with a great deal of notes if you're interested. It goes back to 1650 in England. (The offer is inclusive, by the way) Stephen _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

I have the following on Joshua Younger, (son of Littleton Purcell Younger): b 1836 Liberty, Clay, Mo, Usa d bef 1868 Linn, Or, Usa m 21 Jan 1864 Linn, Or, Usa, Edith Coshow I don't have access online to the 1850 MO census, but I am sure you would find him there with his father. There are descendants of Littleton you should be able to contact at the following: http://genforum.genealogy.com/younger/ Just post: Littleton Purcell descendants, and that will get their attention, if it hasn't here. Good luck. (And they were cousins to the outlaw Younger Brothers.) Linda in KCMO ----- Original Message ----- From: <tarah200@Home.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 7:24 PM Subject: [YOUNGER] Re: Joshua Younger > > > Thanks for your replies. I don't know if there is any connection though, darn it. The only record I can find is a marriage date of 21 Jan. 1863 in Linn County, Oregon, of Joshua and Edith Coshow. My grandfather told me that his grandfather Joshua came from Missouri. Grandfather also told me that Joshua was a cousin to the Younger Brothers that rode with Jesse James. I wonder if he was kidding? They seem to have hid out every time a census was taken. I'm having a hard time tracking anything down on them. Joshua's father could have been Littleton Purcell Younger, born 1813 in Montgomery County, Kentucky, died 23 June 1893 in Brownsville, Oregon. (I took a photo of his tombstone last time I was in Brownsville.) He arrived in Oregon in September 1853. Thanks for any help. > Stephanie > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. If Need any help just e-mail Younger-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Some questions were posted today on 1st cousins married to each other. I believe I can top 1st cousins getting married. The following is part of my family, believe me this tree branch does not fork. The daughter of the first son marries the third son. Descendants of Elizabeth Younger, Jr 1 Elizabeth Younger, Jr b: 01 January 1847 in VA d: 02 August 1913 in Cabool MO .. +William Wallace Gates b: 03 May 1836 in OH ? VA ? m: 12 July 1867 in KY ? OH ? d: 01 June 1914 in Cabool MO ..... 2 William Henry Gates b: 01 July 1874 in VA d: 27 January 1919 in Cabool MO ......... +Mettie McBride b: 05 April 1875 in MO ? m: Abt. 1895 in MO ? d: in Joplin MO ............ 3 [2] Dollie Avis Gates b: 31 December 1896 in Cabool MO d: 17 May 1989 in Joplin MO ................ +[1] Fred Robert Gates b: 30 October 1890 in Willow Springs MO m: Abt. 1914 in MO d: 06 August 1949 in Fayettville AR ................... 4 [3] Jack Fred Gates b: 23 April 1915 in Joplin MO d: 21 June 1980 in Carl Junction MO ....................... +[4] Bernice Irene Arment b: 03 June 1919 in Lehigh MO m: 30 September 1936 in Joplin MO .......................... 5 [5] Dollie Irene Gates b: 13 February 1938 in Joplin MO .............................. +[6] Charles Miller Crumbaugh b: 27 December 1939 in Dallas TX m: 03 June 1962 in Joplin MO ................................. 6 [7] Delvina Maria Crumbaugh b: Abt. 1965 in MO ..... 2 Samuel Gates b: 10 July 1878 in Mason Cty WV ..... 2 [1] Fred Robert Gates b: 30 October 1890 in Willow Springs MO d: 06 August 1949 in Fayettville AR ......... +[2] Dollie Avis Gates b: 31 December 1896 in Cabool MO m: Abt. 1914 in MO d: 17 May 1989 in Joplin MO ............ 3 [3] Jack Fred Gates b: 23 April 1915 in Joplin MO d: 21 June 1980 in Carl Junction MO ................ +[4] Bernice Irene Arment b: 03 June 1919 in Lehigh MO m: 30 September 1936 in Joplin MO ................... 4 [5] Dollie Irene Gates b: 13 February 1938 in Joplin MO ....................... +[6] Charles Miller Crumbaugh b: 27 December 1939 in Dallas TX m: 03 June 1962 in Joplin MO .......................... 5 [7] Delvina Maria Crumbaugh b: Abt. 1965 in MO Has anyone else ever seen the daughter of one brother marry another brother ? Thats a niece marrying her uncle, I think that is closer than 1st cousins, isn't it ? CY

Please folks, can we use a topic in the subject line of our e-mails?????? And when the topic changes mid-thread (as it sometimes does), try to remember to change the topic? It makes it so much easier to follow. Thanks :-)