DAR Daughters of the American Revloution joshua severed with Washington at Valley Forge.

Could someone please explain to me what is "personalty" in relation to the wills that have been posted? Was hoping someone would explain before I had to show my ignorance, but decided to just break down and ask! Wilma

Helen, this may be one place your name is mentioned: "Boone County Historian" - Vol. XII - No. 1 - 1989 - pages 148-156, article compiled from research done by Mabel Motes, Edward Younger, Dreat and Jay Younger, and Helen Turney McMindes. Linda in KCMO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Anna Nash and "Tomahawk" Thomas > I have not read the book you mentioned, but I am the only one by that name > that I know of. Where might one obtain a copy? Just how am I ? mentioned? > Helen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Anna Nash and "Tomahawk" Thomas > > > > Helen..are you the Helen Turney McMindes mentioned in ANCESTORS OF > ARMISTEAD > > YOUNGER? My uncle, Dr. Harold B. Younger, is also mentioned in that book. > > He was my mother's brother. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Anna Nash and "Tomahawk" Thomas > > > > > > > > > > I can answer that. There is a Tomahawk creek and also the township in > > which > > > he lived in Marion County, Arkansas. I don't think he was know as > > Tomahawk > > > until a lot of us began searching the Younger line and we began calling > > him > > > that to distinguish him from the other Thomases. > > > Helen----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "S. Younger" <scjyounger2@hotmail.com> > > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:36 AM > > > Subject: [YOUNGER] Anna Nash and "Tomahawk" Thomas > > > > > > > > > > In the last digest I received, I noticed there were references to what > > > must > > > > be two different Younger spouses by the name of "Anna Nash". Do we > know > > > if > > > > they were related? > > > > And - please forgive me, I'm new here - > > > > Who was "Tomahawk" Thomas? Whether he's in my line or not, I'm very > > > > interested in finding out how he got that nickname. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't > > hesitate > > > to e-mail > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto > > www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me > > know.) > > > > > > ============================== > > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate > to e-mail > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

I agree. I can't catch a connection in the material you have copies from "Colonial Families of the Eastern Shore, Vol. 2, The Bordley Family, p. 12 Now that we are all on the same page. We started with the will of Arthur Miller (Sr.) [we don't know if the Sr. was in the source material or was added later for someone's convenience and identification] Actually in this case the Jr. and Sr seem terribly confusing. Will of Arthur Miller Written 25 July 1750, Probated 5 Sep 1750 The heirs named were: - daughters Elizabeth Jordine and Sarah Clove - son Arthur, executor - Humphrey Younger; Nehemiah Younger, son of Humphrey and Ann Younger [we have interpreted that as meaning Ann, dec'd, was also a daughter married to Humphrey Younger and their child was Nehemiah] Witnesses: Sarah Hambleton, George Sparks, Benjamin Merchant To confuse us all, I will now submit the will of Daniel Pearce. A word of caution, first, this was the second marriage for both of them so it is hard to read between the lines and see which children are his, hers and theirs. Except for the wife's children, they would all bear the name of Pearce regardless of who their mother was. Daniel Pearce m Mary Caulk 4 Feb 1704. Mary Pearce left bequeaths to son, Caulk. Maryland Calendar of Wills, Vol 6 Daniel Pearce of Kent County MD Written 20 Jun, Probated 4 Jan 1727 - To wife Mary - plantation and lands during her lifetime. At her decease to be divided between son Andrew and daughter Mary. Division to be made by James Smyth and Arthur Miller, Sr.(Sr. was in the will). Daughter Sarah, Arthur, son of Arthur Miller Sr. and Sarah, wife of Arthur Miller, personalty. We have again that peculiar sentence structure that was in the will above. Is Damiel Pearce implying that Sarah is deceased and he is leaving her part to Sarah's son, Arthur, Jr. {my Jr. now, not theirs] - To son Andrew & heirs 40 acres adjoining "Tibbott", given by my father, dec'd, to sd son; 200 acres "New Holland" bought of Wm Burrar; and personalty lent to Isaac Caulk. - To son in law Thomas Hynson and Isabell, his wife, & their heris 200 acres "Castle Carey" at the head of Island Creek bought of William Chivens, 200 acres of "Friendship", 400 acres "New Munster" on the Elk River in Cecil County. Should Thomas Hynson and Isabel die without issue, the sd lands are to revert to son Andrew and his heirs. Wife and three children. viz. Isabell, Andrew and Sarah, personal estate to be divided equally making allowance for that portion already given to Isabell. Rents from two plantations to be used for schooling of son Andrew and Sarah. Executors: Son Andrew and Arthur Miller, Sr. Test: John Johnson, Edward Fottrell, John Evans. We have a dilemma here. We have two daughters named Sarah; one who is married and one who requires schooling. Was Sarah who married Arthur Miller, Sr a deceased daughter Sarah for whom the young child was named or was she Sarah Caulk who was taken into the family when her mother married Daniel Pearce? Another mystery - why would son Arthur be named as executor if a provision of the will was to provide him schooling? Let us move on to Mary _____ Caulk Pearce's will- Maryland Calendar of Wills. Vol. VIII, p 255 Mary Pearce, widow, Kent County Written 26 May 1740, Probated 3 Dec 1743 To sons Oliver, Isaac, planters of Cecil County, and Joseph Caulk, executors To daughters Mary Wilson, Sarah Kennard, Isabel Hynson and Sarah Hans, widow To grandsons John, Oliver, William, Jacob and Benjamin Caulk To granddaughter Mary Caulk To nephew Sutton Quincy and Jocy the blind daughter of Niece Joyce Smith, entire estate, including moneys now in the hands of John Handbury and Samuel Hyde, merchants in London. Test: Hugh Jones and Otho Othoson A new dilemma has developed. Sarah Miller has disappeared and we still have two Sarahs. I can't straighten this family out but I do believe it supports the Arthur Miller will that his daughter Ann Married Humphrey Younger. I do have some birth records from Shrewsbury Parish in Kent County where the Humphrey Younger children were christened: 11 Mar 1708/9 Gideon Pearce, child of Gideon and Ann Pearce 1 Sep 1710 Elizabeth Pearce 12 Dec 1716 Benjamin Pearce 9 Jun 1719 Andrew Pearce 3 Feb 1721 Daniel Pearce 22 May 1724 Isaac Pearce 29 Sep 1739 Mary Kennard, child of John and Sarah Kennard 31 Aug 1741 Ann Kennard 9 Dec 1743 Sarah Kennard Let's take a moment to look at Michael Miller proposed at Arthur Miller's father and Ann Miller's father in law Maryland Calendar of Wills, Vol 3 Michael Miller Written 29 Dec 1698, Probated 10 Jun 1700 Mentions wife Ann and two sons, Michael and Arthur. Arthur's bequest had been given him and recorded as a deed of gift in Kent County in 1696. Should both sons die without issue, estate to pass to daughter Alice Winkes This will had been recently been presented to the list so I will not include it in its entirety. We then have the will of what we perceive to be his wife Ann Blakiston Maryland Calendar of Wills, Vol. 7 According to this she lived 37 years after the death of her husband; not impossible but interesting. Arthur was given land in 1696. He must have been 21 making his birth year be at least 1675. If you've bothered to read all of this, what do you think????

Wilma H- I'm stunned, but you are right. I have not seen the middle name Logan on a single document either, but "figured" someone must have known Joshua's name. I "figured" it was by a family member. I thought I was careful. After working at a FHC (Family History Center) in California for about 3 years or more, I did know not to trust the IGI and family group sheets and how this information was obtained. The IGI was and is constructed as you stated, by folks like us submitting FGS (Family Group Sheets). Yes, some of it is from documents, but not stated as such to determine which is which. I do admit to using the IGI and Ancestral file to gather up names to give me what I call a "jumping-off" start to look in a place or group of names. I also agree with your statement about guessing middle names from initials. How many times have we seen Benjamin F. and George W. and soon after seen someone has added Franklin or Washington, only to later find a document with Fredreich or William in it's place? So..... do we leave the Logan in our records, delete it, or....? In researching my book, I have tried to start from scratch and not use the "accepted genealogy." Jesse James researchers claim William James and Mary Hines as his gr grandparents, yet no one can proove he was father of John James.... As a matter of fact the marriage of William to Mary [Douglas Register] states he married Mary Hinds, not Hines.... yet you never see her name spelled this way. This is one example of "accepted genealogy" for which we cannot continue doing. Wilma has put a foot forward to changing these practices, so how can we "fix" the previous mistakes made? Thankyou Wilma, for bringing these subjects to the attention of the list. Linda in KCMO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: [YOUNGER] Making enemies > I am about to make myself the most unpopular person on the List. I am, > however, willing to take that risk. > > It's all about names - > This has been brought about by the current interest in the name > Elizabeth Lee as the wife of Joshua Younger. I have described my > personal research - not my opinion - previously, so I won't go into that > again. I'd like to go on to what I believe to be other myths. > > One often sees in family group sheets the names "Joshua Logan Younger" > and "Peter Logan Younger". I have yet to see even an L. after the name > Joshua or Peter in source materials. Now we must admit that the name > Logan is of great historical significance in Kentucky and who wouldn't > want to be related to our historical heroes? However, the documentation > doesn't support the use of either an L. or the name Logan. > > While I am hanging out on this limb, let me go on to the very prolific > use of the middle name of Lee. Again, after almost 30 years of personal > genealogical research and the cardboard boxes of the research by the > very prolific Marguerite Hutchins, it is only found on family group > sheets - no source documents. > > Who produces family group sheets? You and me and all the other family > members. Who of us has not been eager to get information from others > further along in their research than we are? We have dutifully copied > the family group sheets making them our own. Now with the computer it is > even easier to get garbled materials. One puts their information on a > site and someone adds their piece and another does the same until we > really don't know what to believe until we back up and check court > records, census records, etc. Even tombstones are suspect. Books are > written by people so we must even approach the printed word with some > caution. The earlier the document and closer to the contemporary time, > the better the information. > > Why do hanker so after middle names? We find a first name and an initial > in a census record and we are not satisfied until we create a middle > name that matches the letter. Bible records can be trusted for entire > names and some in court documents when they are differentiating persons > with the same first name. I have been asked many times. Do you think the > (letter) stands for (x)? The temptation to determine that you have > figured out the middle name and before long it is appearing in flaming > technicolor in family group shetes and other records. > > I will trust middle names from birth registers, Bibles, siblings and > source documents and not much else. Please, won't you join me and we > will be the first "purists" in the genealogical hobby. > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html >

JYG wrote: > I have a William, but disregarded when you said born in NC, now you add may > be KY. If so, I do have thisfor you: > > William Younger > b 12 jan 1816 Lebanon Junction, Bullitt, KY; d aft 1850 (so I may have noted > him in the 1850 which was lost in a source field. I will check on this). His > parents were Henry Younger and Ruth Gatch. You can get all the info on them > from http://www.familysearch.com (remember this is not a documentation and a > great deal of it was submitted by group sheets) Just type in the parents > names in the parents field and leave all else blank. This will give you all > of their children. I am trying to find parents of this Henry, so if you find > them, do tell! Let me know if this is yours and who are his descendants? > Thanks and good luck... > > Linda in KCMO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ryounger@essex1.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:42 PM > Subject: [YOUNGER] Re: william younger > > > > > > > To JohnDixon Thanks for the response. My William Younger was > b.1816 in Ky. or N.C. and was a decendent from Scotland but I need info > about his parent who would have been born about 1780 give or take 5 years. > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto > www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me > know.) > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! Linda, thanks so much, but I have run that line down and it is not the same Wm Younger. These men married different women about the same time, and I have Wm and Elizabeth very well documented, and dates of birth for all children (that I know about). Thanks for your thoughtfulness. Bette Andres

youbetyln@aol.com wrote: > Whatis DAR? By mistake I listed my family tree under george younger.In response to Joshua. > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 DAR is the Daughters of the American Revolution. They have vast numbers of genealogies in Wash. DC. We are known for hats, pins and family history.

Interesting train of thought....There was a Charles Lee in VA who left a will in 1785(apparently no wife or children). He had a sister named Sidney Lee. Charles Lee Younger and Sarah S. named a daughter Sydney. Also, there were two Charles Lees in VA who married Elizabeths [on a FTM cd; need to get better records]. Will go to library. See what I can find. Probably will lead nowhere...but one never knows. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: [YOUNGER] Questions posed > PLEASE FORGIVE SOME OF THE FOLLOWING GLARING GENERALIZATIONS: I AM > THINKING ALOUD. But if any of you have ideas or answers to the > thought/questions posed, please let us know. > > 1. Religion: it has been said that our Younger forebears were staunch > Presbyterians and members of the Cumberland Presbyterian church. I find no > record of that anywhere? I find names on religious petitions (mostly > James), but the petitions are hard to read. > > 2. Culture/socialization: Our VA Youngers lived amongst and married people > with English names...with exception of John Ferguson's daughter, Sarah. > There were no Irish or Scottish naming practices used by the VA Youngers; > if so, it would be easier to determine the parents, grandparents, etc. I > have been able with most of my Scots and Irish ancestors to easily determine > their parentage by the order in which they named their children. > > 3. Why did the VA Youngers stay in an area populated at least 75% by > English immigrants? Why didn't they, as many Scotsmen and Scots- Irish did, > migrate from PA to NC/SC (I know...some did, but very few). Anybody have > Youngers in PA? Between 1600-1800? When James Younger ended in SC/NC, he > supposedly came from a Welsh church community. ???? > > 4. I have found that many of the VA Youngers could read and write. Where > did they get their education? Self taught? > > 5. My gg grandfather was a tailor...that's a skill that was handed down > from generation to generation. ??? > > So...let's think...1. religion 2. migration patterns 3. occupations and > skills 4. education 5. socioculturazation. > > By the way, in the VA Library is a picture of John Younger's house in > Pittsylvania. > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > >

Well said, highly concur ! CY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:53 PM Subject: [YOUNGER] Making enemies > I am about to make myself the most unpopular person on the List. I am, > however, willing to take that risk. > > It's all about names - > This has been brought about by the current interest in the name > Elizabeth Lee as the wife of Joshua Younger. I have described my > personal research - not my opinion - previously, so I won't go into that > again. I'd like to go on to what I believe to be other myths. > > One often sees in family group sheets the names "Joshua Logan Younger" > and "Peter Logan Younger". I have yet to see even an L. after the name > Joshua or Peter in source materials. Now we must admit that the name > Logan is of great historical significance in Kentucky and who wouldn't > want to be related to our historical heroes? However, the documentation > doesn't support the use of either an L. or the name Logan. > > While I am hanging out on this limb, let me go on to the very prolific > use of the middle name of Lee. Again, after almost 30 years of personal > genealogical research and the cardboard boxes of the research by the > very prolific Marguerite Hutchins, it is only found on family group > sheets - no source documents. > > Who produces family group sheets? You and me and all the other family > members. Who of us has not been eager to get information from others > further along in their research than we are? We have dutifully copied > the family group sheets making them our own. Now with the computer it is > even easier to get garbled materials. One puts their information on a > site and someone adds their piece and another does the same until we > really don't know what to believe until we back up and check court > records, census records, etc. Even tombstones are suspect. Books are > written by people so we must even approach the printed word with some > caution. The earlier the document and closer to the contemporary time, > the better the information. > > Why do hanker so after middle names? We find a first name and an initial > in a census record and we are not satisfied until we create a middle > name that matches the letter. Bible records can be trusted for entire > names and some in court documents when they are differentiating persons > with the same first name. I have been asked many times. Do you think the > (letter) stands for (x)? The temptation to determine that you have > figured out the middle name and before long it is appearing in flaming > technicolor in family group shetes and other records. > > I will trust middle names from birth registers, Bibles, siblings and > source documents and not much else. Please, won't you join me and we > will be the first "purists" in the genealogical hobby. > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > >

You make the statement, "Bible records can be trusted for entire names....." That may not be true. I can show you a Bible record where the person adding the record made some assumptions which are not true. This was my grandfathers Bible and it appears that another person has added to the record thereby making that persons name incorrect. As a matter of fact, the birth date is also incorrect. WWB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: [YOUNGER] Making enemies > I am about to make myself the most unpopular person on the List. I am, > however, willing to take that risk. > > It's all about names - > This has been brought about by the current interest in the name > Elizabeth Lee as the wife of Joshua Younger. I have described my > personal research - not my opinion - previously, so I won't go into that > again. I'd like to go on to what I believe to be other myths. > > One often sees in family group sheets the names "Joshua Logan Younger" > and "Peter Logan Younger". I have yet to see even an L. after the name > Joshua or Peter in source materials. Now we must admit that the name > Logan is of great historical significance in Kentucky and who wouldn't > want to be related to our historical heroes? However, the documentation > doesn't support the use of either an L. or the name Logan. > > While I am hanging out on this limb, let me go on to the very prolific > use of the middle name of Lee. Again, after almost 30 years of personal > genealogical research and the cardboard boxes of the research by the > very prolific Marguerite Hutchins, it is only found on family group > sheets - no source documents. > > Who produces family group sheets? You and me and all the other family > members. Who of us has not been eager to get information from others > further along in their research than we are? We have dutifully copied > the family group sheets making them our own. Now with the computer it is > even easier to get garbled materials. One puts their information on a > site and someone adds their piece and another does the same until we > really don't know what to believe until we back up and check court > records, census records, etc. Even tombstones are suspect. Books are > written by people so we must even approach the printed word with some > caution. The earlier the document and closer to the contemporary time, > the better the information. > > Why do hanker so after middle names? We find a first name and an initial > in a census record and we are not satisfied until we create a middle > name that matches the letter. Bible records can be trusted for entire > names and some in court documents when they are differentiating persons > with the same first name. I have been asked many times. Do you think the > (letter) stands for (x)? The temptation to determine that you have > figured out the middle name and before long it is appearing in flaming > technicolor in family group shetes and other records. > > I will trust middle names from birth registers, Bibles, siblings and > source documents and not much else. Please, won't you join me and we > will be the first "purists" in the genealogical hobby. > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html >

I am about to make myself the most unpopular person on the List. I am, however, willing to take that risk. It's all about names - This has been brought about by the current interest in the name Elizabeth Lee as the wife of Joshua Younger. I have described my personal research - not my opinion - previously, so I won't go into that again. I'd like to go on to what I believe to be other myths. One often sees in family group sheets the names "Joshua Logan Younger" and "Peter Logan Younger". I have yet to see even an L. after the name Joshua or Peter in source materials. Now we must admit that the name Logan is of great historical significance in Kentucky and who wouldn't want to be related to our historical heroes? However, the documentation doesn't support the use of either an L. or the name Logan. While I am hanging out on this limb, let me go on to the very prolific use of the middle name of Lee. Again, after almost 30 years of personal genealogical research and the cardboard boxes of the research by the very prolific Marguerite Hutchins, it is only found on family group sheets - no source documents. Who produces family group sheets? You and me and all the other family members. Who of us has not been eager to get information from others further along in their research than we are? We have dutifully copied the family group sheets making them our own. Now with the computer it is even easier to get garbled materials. One puts their information on a site and someone adds their piece and another does the same until we really don't know what to believe until we back up and check court records, census records, etc. Even tombstones are suspect. Books are written by people so we must even approach the printed word with some caution. The earlier the document and closer to the contemporary time, the better the information. Why do hanker so after middle names? We find a first name and an initial in a census record and we are not satisfied until we create a middle name that matches the letter. Bible records can be trusted for entire names and some in court documents when they are differentiating persons with the same first name. I have been asked many times. Do you think the (letter) stands for (x)? The temptation to determine that you have figured out the middle name and before long it is appearing in flaming technicolor in family group shetes and other records. I will trust middle names from birth registers, Bibles, siblings and source documents and not much else. Please, won't you join me and we will be the first "purists" in the genealogical hobby.

Recently I had some personal correspondence with someone on the list about Peter Younger. I wrote a response and it has been returned to me twice (no doubt the nut at the wheel). If that person would e-mail me again, I would like to forward the material I prepared. Thank you.

I have not read the book you mentioned, but I am the only one by that name that I know of. Where might one obtain a copy? Just how am I ? mentioned? Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Anna Nash and "Tomahawk" Thomas > Helen..are you the Helen Turney McMindes mentioned in ANCESTORS OF ARMISTEAD > YOUNGER? My uncle, Dr. Harold B. Younger, is also mentioned in that book. > He was my mother's brother. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Anna Nash and "Tomahawk" Thomas > > > > > > I can answer that. There is a Tomahawk creek and also the township in > which > > he lived in Marion County, Arkansas. I don't think he was know as > Tomahawk > > until a lot of us began searching the Younger line and we began calling > him > > that to distinguish him from the other Thomases. > > Helen----- Original Message ----- > > From: "S. Younger" <scjyounger2@hotmail.com> > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:36 AM > > Subject: [YOUNGER] Anna Nash and "Tomahawk" Thomas > > > > > > > In the last digest I received, I noticed there were references to what > > must > > > be two different Younger spouses by the name of "Anna Nash". Do we know > > if > > > they were related? > > > And - please forgive me, I'm new here - > > > Who was "Tomahawk" Thomas? Whether he's in my line or not, I'm very > > > interested in finding out how he got that nickname. > > > Thanks, > > > Stephen > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't > hesitate > > to e-mail > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto > www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me > know.) > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Title: Armistead Younger (1811-1883) descendants in Stone County, Arkansas compiled by the Stone County Historical Society...with Dorothy (Greenway) Gayler and Marie (Younger) Davis Authors: Stone County Historical Soc. (Main Author) Gayler, Dorothy Greenway Davis, Marie Younger Pg. 5 SOURCES for ancestors of Armistead Younger 1. Boone county Ark. Historian 2. Edward Younger, Ph.D. University of VA 3. Jay Younger..... 4. Dreat Younger..... 5. Mrs. Helen Turney McMindes, 626 W. South Ave., Harrison, AR 72601 6. Dr. Harold B. Younger, Dallas Texas There are ten, but I have to leave for a hair cut. Will get back with you later. I am descended from Armistead's brother, Williamson of Carroll County, TN. Brownie MacKie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Anna Nash and "Tomahawk" Thomas > > I have not read the book you mentioned, but I am the only one by that name > that I know of. Where might one obtain a copy? Just how am I ? mentioned? > Helen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Anna Nash and "Tomahawk" Thomas > > > > Helen..are you the Helen Turney McMindes mentioned in ANCESTORS OF > ARMISTEAD > > YOUNGER? My uncle, Dr. Harold B. Younger, is also mentioned in that book. > > He was my mother's brother. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Anna Nash and "Tomahawk" Thomas > > > > > > > > > > I can answer that. There is a Tomahawk creek and also the township in > > which > > > he lived in Marion County, Arkansas. I don't think he was know as > > Tomahawk > > > until a lot of us began searching the Younger line and we began calling > > him > > > that to distinguish him from the other Thomases. > > > Helen----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "S. Younger" <scjyounger2@hotmail.com> > > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:36 AM > > > Subject: [YOUNGER] Anna Nash and "Tomahawk" Thomas > > > > > > > > > > In the last digest I received, I noticed there were references to what > > > must > > > > be two different Younger spouses by the name of "Anna Nash". Do we > know > > > if > > > > they were related? > > > > And - please forgive me, I'm new here - > > > > Who was "Tomahawk" Thomas? Whether he's in my line or not, I'm very > > > > interested in finding out how he got that nickname. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't > > hesitate > > > to e-mail > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto > > www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me > > know.) > > > > > > ============================== > > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate > to e-mail > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Thanks for volunteering but my Youngers never left Kentucky. JYG wrote: > Wilma H., > > The weather out here has been awful, unless you like the heat (100 deg) and > muggy air. I am hoping for some nice days when my husband takes the 10 year > old to Chicago for 2 weeks to see grandparents. My older daughter and I plan > of trapsing around Clay and Jackson to a few cemeteries, which includes over > here in Liberty where Milton may be buried. Have digital camera-will travel. > If I get any shots I will have them online for all to grab if they want them > at my website. So far I have been working hard on the James lines and have > only begun on the Youngers, aside from what Jim Chase and others have mailed > to me. I have been lucky to retrieve some of the old sources and people have > been kindly sending me what they had. If you have anyone buried in these > counties do let me add them to my "name-to-look-for" list while I am about. > They leave next week, so cross your fingers for cooler weather-else it may > be a month before I go. > > Linda in KCMO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:33 AM > Subject: [YOUNGER] Re: Milton T Youngerq > > > I thought I would start a new thread. The other one was getting a bit > > crowded- > > According to my records (which are undocumented but came from > > descendants of Catherine Younger Wallace) Milton T. died in Howard > > County, MO. His place of death seems to be up for grabs or at the very > > least a bit more study and documentation. > > > > Nancy Toney (Toomey - it is seen in the same document spelled both ways) > > was the daughter of Alexander Toomey (see, I'm doing it too but that's > > because of the way it was spelled when I found it) and Ann Ashline. Her > > grandparents were Bishop Toney and Sarah Ashley of Virginia. > > > > Charles and Nancy had two surviving children Milton T and Elizabeth > > Darlisco. Charles didn't spend much time grieving over the death of his > > first wife but remarried and moved west - to fight Indians, I guess, or > > to find adventure, who knows? His 2nd wife apparently went with him. We > > know that from the birthplace of his child or children. I am now > > speaking from memory. The actual documents are in my possession but my > > desk is loaded with paper already and I am trying to clear some of it > > out. I can provide that at a later date if it is of any interest to you. > > Charles didn't stay too long on the frontier but returned to KY where > > other of his children were born. Since Milton and Elizabeth were not > > much more than babies I suspect his second wife cared for them and when > > the family moved to Missouri Milton was along. > > > > Catherine Sarah was born 1 Dec 1825 in MO and died 12 Dec 1891 in > > Gordon, Palo Pinto, TX. She married Robert Milton Wallace Jr 24 Oct 1843 > > in Cooper County, MO. He was born 13 May 1821 Howard County MO and died > > 21 Aug 1889 near Gordon, Palo Pinto TX > > > > Milton's wife Millie's parents were William Taylor b 1774 in KY and > > Rebecca Barnes > > She predeceased him and died between 1840 and 1850. He died 1 Nov 1867 > > in Cooper County MO > > > > After Milton died Milly moved back to her family home with her three > > children where she is enumerated in 1840 > > > > I think I know the letter you referenced. I also have a copy of it I > > suspect. After rambling about the weather and the price of corn, she > > remarks that the "boys" were in town and she didn't care much to have > > her sons having anything to do with them. Now just who do you think she > > was talking about?? I have a pretty good idea, don't you > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto > www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me > know.) > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Friend here! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:53 PM Subject: [YOUNGER] Making enemies > > I am about to make myself the most unpopular person on the List. I am, > however, willing to take that risk. > > It's all about names - > This has been brought about by the current interest in the name > Elizabeth Lee as the wife of Joshua Younger. I have described my > personal research - not my opinion - previously, so I won't go into that > again. I'd like to go on to what I believe to be other myths. > > One often sees in family group sheets the names "Joshua Logan Younger" > and "Peter Logan Younger". I have yet to see even an L. after the name > Joshua or Peter in source materials. Now we must admit that the name > Logan is of great historical significance in Kentucky and who wouldn't > want to be related to our historical heroes? However, the documentation > doesn't support the use of either an L. or the name Logan. > > While I am hanging out on this limb, let me go on to the very prolific > use of the middle name of Lee. Again, after almost 30 years of personal > genealogical research and the cardboard boxes of the research by the > very prolific Marguerite Hutchins, it is only found on family group > sheets - no source documents. > > Who produces family group sheets? You and me and all the other family > members. Who of us has not been eager to get information from others > further along in their research than we are? We have dutifully copied > the family group sheets making them our own. Now with the computer it is > even easier to get garbled materials. One puts their information on a > site and someone adds their piece and another does the same until we > really don't know what to believe until we back up and check court > records, census records, etc. Even tombstones are suspect. Books are > written by people so we must even approach the printed word with some > caution. The earlier the document and closer to the contemporary time, > the better the information. > > Why do hanker so after middle names? We find a first name and an initial > in a census record and we are not satisfied until we create a middle > name that matches the letter. Bible records can be trusted for entire > names and some in court documents when they are differentiating persons > with the same first name. I have been asked many times. Do you think the > (letter) stands for (x)? The temptation to determine that you have > figured out the middle name and before long it is appearing in flaming > technicolor in family group shetes and other records. > > I will trust middle names from birth registers, Bibles, siblings and > source documents and not much else. Please, won't you join me and we > will be the first "purists" in the genealogical hobby. > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > >

May I be so rude as to repeat that Joshua, by his own admission states he was born, not in Maryland, but in Virginia in his pension application. He enlisted in Virginia, served in the Virginia Continental Line and received a Land Grant from the state of Virginia. What documentation do you have that he was born in Maryland? I am not intractable on this point. If you have documentation of his Maryland birth, I will apologize and change all my records. Until then, for my money, he is a Virginian. Secondly, no one, to date, has found a source document giving any name - given or surname - for his first wife. The only documentation available is not a source document but a letter written by her great grandson one hundred years after her death by Cole Younger who was writing to the Governor of Missouri in an attempt to obtain a parden. I believe he had an ulterior motive for gilding the lily. Until these two issues are settled, there can be no third and fourth generation. My mantra: Documentation! Follow the documentation- YouBeStyln@aol.com wrote: > Joushua Younger b. may 16, 1752 Maryland. d. july 2, 1834 Indiana. > spouse Elizabeth lee James > > John Younger b.2/20/1707 Maryland d.7/2/1770 Maryland > spouse Sarah Kennard > > Humprey Younger b.1677 Glasgow Scottland d.1740 Maryland > spouse Elizabeth Thomas > > Thomas Younger b.1/25/1651 Glasgow Scottland d.169? G.S. > Spouse ? > > Alexander Younger ? ? > spouse Neill Steinson b.1590 d.16?? (from another family tree) > > William Younger b.158? S. d. 16?? S. > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. If Need any help just e-mail Younger-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Daughters of the American Revolution. The organization consists of members who have been able to document descent from a contributor to the cause of the Revolution - soldiers, supplies, etc. It has, for its reason for being, preserving history, supporting Indian and disadvantaged schools, awarding citizenship and essay winners and generally supporting the principles and ideals set forth by the organization. youbetyln@aol.com wrote: > Whatis DAR? By mistake I listed my family tree under george younger.In response to Joshua. > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

PLEASE FORGIVE SOME OF THE FOLLOWING GLARING GENERALIZATIONS: I AM THINKING ALOUD. But if any of you have ideas or answers to the thought/questions posed, please let us know. 1. Religion: it has been said that our Younger forebears were staunch Presbyterians and members of the Cumberland Presbyterian church. I find no record of that anywhere? I find names on religious petitions (mostly James), but the petitions are hard to read. 2. Culture/socialization: Our VA Youngers lived amongst and married people with English names...with exception of John Ferguson's daughter, Sarah. There were no Irish or Scottish naming practices used by the VA Youngers; if so, it would be easier to determine the parents, grandparents, etc. I have been able with most of my Scots and Irish ancestors to easily determine their parentage by the order in which they named their children. 3. Why did the VA Youngers stay in an area populated at least 75% by English immigrants? Why didn't they, as many Scotsmen and Scots- Irish did, migrate from PA to NC/SC (I know...some did, but very few). Anybody have Youngers in PA? Between 1600-1800? When James Younger ended in SC/NC, he supposedly came from a Welsh church community. ???? 4. I have found that many of the VA Youngers could read and write. Where did they get their education? Self taught? 5. My gg grandfather was a tailor...that's a skill that was handed down from generation to generation. ??? So...let's think...1. religion 2. migration patterns 3. occupations and skills 4. education 5. socioculturazation. By the way, in the VA Library is a picture of John Younger's house in Pittsylvania.

Parish of St. Anne, Essex County. Petition signed in 1782 by James Younger. http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/P?relpet:6:./temp/~ammem_xtW5:: John Younger 1799 http://image.vtls.com/disk18/CR/09502/0002.tiff Mr. Younger 1627 http://image.vtls.com/disk18/CR/12843/0001.tiff ALL OF THE FOLLOWING ARE IN VA COLONIAL RECORDS PROJECT: Library of VA Younger, Jas. -- master of ship: Betty -- 1703, SR 02254, p. 2. 1 Younger, Joan -- merchant -- 1676, SR 03793g, p. 61. 1 Younger, John -- 1799, SR 09502, p. 2. 1 Younger, John -- lawsuit involving -- 1763, SR 10313, p. 2. 1 Younger, John -- master of ship: Union -- 1726, 1727, SR 07182, p. 4. 1 Younger, John -- petition by -- 1726, 1727, SR 07182, p. 4. 1 Younger, Joseph -- master of ship: Mazarine -- 1707, SR 06960, p. 2. 1 Younger, Joseph -- master of ship: Mazzarren -- 1706/07, SR 12484, p. 4