Thank you for that bit of information which I did not have. Was this a Halifax County VA Court record or some other place? Are you aware of any earlier records of guardianship? There is usually a final accounting when the child reaches adulthood and is released from guardianship. I think it is also noteworthy that it is Fielder who is his guardian and not Wilson. Gee Ellis wrote: > Bk 18 p. 161 John Henry Wilson Younger, report of account of his guardian, > Fielder > Cage 1834-1836. He received $150.00 cash of James McGraw and case received > by them of James Younger. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

That was one of the issues I dealt with in today's message. There were two Johns in that family; one who married Sarah Terry and the other JHWY. I can't figure out why Mary named two of her sons John although she certainly qualified JHWY's name in a big way- I'm hedging on JHWY's birth date until some one can document it, JYG wrote: > I have John Younger b abt 1812 Halifax, Va, Usa to Williamson Younger and > Mary Bomar. Don't ask for a source on this one because I don't have one. > This is an old entry... Now comes JHWC Younger who is claimed to have been > born in 1818... ok lets accept the latter. Then do we discount that JHWC > never married Sarah Terry? Because if he did he was only 12 years old on 8 > Oct 1830 when they married and he was only 16 when his daughter Sarah Ann > Younger was born. Does this make sense? Please tell me if I am wrong on > these dates!! > > 1850 VA Halifax County, Northern District (030) > 476/479 9 Oct > Sarah Younger 40 f $2000 VA > Sarah A. 16 f VA > Mary A. Terry 44 f VA > > SOURCE:-Virginia Marriages, 1740-1850. [Younger-Terry]; 1850 census, head of > household. > > Linda in KC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:33 AM > Subject: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > > > I thought perhaps it would be helpful if I presented my entire rationale > > on the issue of parentage for John Henry Wilson Yunger [to be referred > > to as JHWY henceforth] > > > > Williamson Younger died 2 Dec 1817. The date is specific since it was > > included in a court record. he died while executing his father, > > William's estate and the date of his death was significant to the legal > > process. His inventory and appraisal occurred 22 Jan 1818 by Fielding > > Bomar and John Light. His children were named and they were: > > William > > Williamson - whose birth occured (Jan) 1817 according to the 1850 census > > & others > > Armistead > > John - who married Sarah Terry) > > James > > Mary > > > > It seemed strange to me that Mary would name a second child John when a > > preceeding child named John was still alive. That is why I double > > checked to be sure that the John listed with Williamson's heirs was not > > the same as JHWY. > > > > Mary Bomar Younger's estate was appraised 16 Sep 1820 and recorded 21 > > Feb 1821. > > This probably means she died shortly before that date because the > > probate usually preceeds the inventory and appraisal. > > > > There was almost imediately a demand by William Sydnor, atty., > > representing William against John, James, Armistead and Williamson by > > guardian William Barksdale that Sydnor set to the highest bidder the > > land and slaves which Mary Younger held in her lifetime and one half of > > the estate of Williamson Younger, dec'd. > > > > Common practice would have given the widow one third of the assets. Why > > were one half being liquidated in the interests of the heirs by their > > guardian? Were the interests of the heirs being protected in case the > > widow remarry as might be the case since she was a very young woman. > > Perhaps there was some indication that that might be the case (a > > premature pregnancy, perhaps?) > > > > In the document previously submitted here in which a Cage was named as > > JHWY's father, Mary provided only for one child, JHWY. Was that because > > she knew the others would be provided for by the terms of Williamson's > > estate? She needed to protect the welfare of her last child, > > apparently. Who better to care for him than his own father? > > > > Although Mary mentioned an anticipated legacy from her father, Bibby > > Bomar, he did not die until late 1832, In the division of his property > > he named the children of Mary, dec'd.: > > Mary Ellington, wife of Loring Ellington > > John, James, Armistead and Williamson Younger > > Wilson Cage > > > > Why did he call all of Williamson Younger's children by the surname > > "Younger" and call the subject of our hypothesis "Cage"? Did he know > > something we do not? It has been suggested that JHWY adopted his > > guardian's name. There seems to be no proof of that. The court records > > in Halifax County VA during that period are replete with guardianships > > and guardian reports for Williamson's heirs, but no evidence of a > > guardianship exists for JHWY. Is that because no guardianship was > > required since it was known that ___ Cage was his father? > > > > If Williamson Younger had been JHWY's father, he would have shared > > equally in the assets of Williamson. There is no evidence that he > > received anything from Williamson's estate. He had full entitlement to > > any assets that were those of his mother and received from her assets. > > > > Which brings us to 6 March 1838 > > Halifax County VA Deed Book 45:187 > > William Younger and wife Priscilla } > > Williamson Younger and wife Louisa } both of Pittsylvania > > Armistead and wife Rebecca > > Joseph Goodman and wife Sarah (who are these people? Sarah is the > > remarried widow > > of James Younger, dec'd. > > (only Mary is missing and it is unknown if she survived to this date) > > These were the heirs and distributors of James Younger, dec'd, late of > > Halifax County, VA of the one part who sold to Joseph Fuqua and William > > bates of the same, witnesseth that the above named heirs sell for $91.66 > > a parcel of land, it being one third part of the estate that fell to > > Mary Younger in the division of Bibby Bomar's estate by commissioners > > appointed for that purpose, and which tract became by the demise of Mary > > Younger, the property of James Younger, dec'd. together with all the > > rights and priveleges. Signed by all the above heirs. > > > > This obviously was not an oversight on the part of the heirs. They had > > no intention of including JHWY. He would, however, have been entitled to > > a full share of the property since these were his mother's assets which > > in her division went to James. When James died the property fell back to > > Mary's children to divide equally. Keep in mind these were not the > > assets of Williamson. That is important. > > > > It is at this point that JHWY appointed a power of atty to represent his > > interests > > . There was perhaps even a law suit (of which I have no knowlege but > > expect his POA would have pursued that course if he was fully > > representing him.) > > > > The document submitted today by Brownie indicates that he was successful > > in his quest - and rightly so- again, since these were his mother's > > assets from her father. > > > > I have a birthdate for John henry Wilson Younger which was given to me > > without documentation. I hesitate to publish it without documentation > > since it is such a vital piece of evidence. 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And I ask again........what documentation do you have for Joseph as the son of James & Anna Nash? I saw that on a website once, and the owner of the site said "someone gave it to me, I don't know who". In a message dated 8/8/01 5:25:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jyg@kc.rr.com writes: << The other Joseph, I have as son of James Younger and Anna Nash Joseph Younger b 1770 Chatham, Nc; d 1823 Wilkes, Nc; m 6 Feb 1790 Wilkes, Nc, Elizabeth Gray >>

Is this Nancy Carrell who married Anthony Younger and their son Anthony? If so she must have fudged on her age, nothing new there... :) -1850 MS De Soto County, Southern Division (371) 233/233 20 Sep Carroll W. Langston 23 m farming TN Martha J. 22 f TN A. W. 1 f MS Nancy Younger 47 f $300 VA Anthony 21 m farming VA

Wilma H- Just for the record, I have seen several children named the same name, and both living until adulthood. I do not have any knowledge of why they would do such a thing. In this case, yes the name is quite remarkably seperate. I do recall a Joseph James and his brother Joseph James. They did have different mothers and were referred to as Joseph, the elder and Joseph, the younger. Does anyone have JHW in the 1850 census? I cannot find him in MS, where he married in 1849, nor TN, where he married again. Where did he go in between this time? Linda in KC

The last time I contacted her was 1998, this was still good address then. Mary Ellen Williams Carlton 7038 Spring Valley Rd. Dallas, Tx 75240 CY ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] To Helen- Re: Estes > You should probably contact the person who submitted this information. She > states she has the actual Will, I believe for Marcus Younger and/or John > Younger. What she submitted to the Pedigree Resource File was as stated > below. I am still looking for information on this group. One thing to > remember, Marcus' wife was also Susannah Younger for whom we have no death > date, but the one below names sister Mary Estes and nephew Younger Wyatt to > distinguish her from her mother. -Linda > > Mary Ellen Williams Carlton > 7038 Spring Valley Rd. > Dallas, Tx 75240 > > > > daughter Susannah 50 acres of land, named grandson James Wyatt, then his > 4 > > > children, namely John, Elizabeth Clark, Mary Estes and Susannah Younger. > > He appointed John as his executor. Witnesses: John Hannard, Armistead > Bomar, > > > Sally Hannard. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 10, pg 99.] > > > > NAMED GRANDSON, YOUNGER WYATT is what it says in the FOTY book???? > > > > > This is copied as stated by Ms Carlton above. > > > > -Susannah Younger Signed Will: 1831, Halifax, Va, Usa. [Names slaves > Fanny > > > and Harry, providing for them to buy their freedom with a sum of money > to > > > her heirs named in the Will; sister Mary Estes; nephew, Younger Wyatt > and > > > his wife Polly; witness Dolly Light.] > > > > ALL WEARING APPAREL TO BE DIVIDED BETWEEN SUSANNAH ESTES AND MARY WYATT. > >I took this to mean Susannah Estes, dau of her sister Mary (Younger) Estes > and Mary (Dillon) Wyatt, wife Younger Wyatt. > > Looks like the names were transcribed wrong. Susannah from all records seems > to never have married. > > > WITNESSES; DOLLY LIGHT, JOHN CAP AND MAR STREET. YOUNGER WYATT REFUSED > > ADMINISTRATION, COURT APPOINTED JAMES ADKINSON. > > > > (caps used to denote I'm quoting from the FOTY book) Do you have > different > > information? > > > > > -Settlement of Estate: 28 Aug 1833; Executors S. C. Jackson and Richard > > > Cook; Payees, Lucy Younger, John Lamdrum, Rec'd Samuel Younger, Joel > > > Younger, Thomas Younger and Daniel Mills, Sr. [Halifax County, Virginia > > Will > > > Book: Bk 15, pg 422.] > > > > I "believe" this refererence is to another Susannah Younger. > > Consider this: > > Halifax Co. VA Book 19: 656 > > 1 Jan 1842 > > Estate of Susannah Younger, James Adkinson, administrator > > Payee: Younger Wyatt > Could this be Younger Wyatt's grandmother, Susannah Wyatt, wife of Marcus??? > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > >

Yes, it is a Halifax County Court record. >From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> >Reply-To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com >To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] JHWCY >Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 18:31:16 -0400 > >Thank you for that bit of information which I did not have. Was this a >Halifax County VA Court record or some other place? Are you aware of any >earlier records of guardianship? There is usually a final accounting when >the child reaches adulthood and is released from guardianship. I think it >is also noteworthy that it is Fielder who is his guardian and not Wilson. > >Gee Ellis wrote: > > > Bk 18 p. 161 John Henry Wilson Younger, report of account of his >guardian, > > Fielder > > Cage 1834-1836. He received $150.00 cash of James McGraw and case >received > > by them of James Younger. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto >www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me >know.) > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > >==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== >For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto >www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me >know.) > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Thankyou! -Linda in KC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gee Ellis" <gee_ellis@hotmail.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > > Halifax County Marriage Records and Madison County, MS Marriage Records. > Ida BomarYounger 3929 Boonesboro Road, Lynchburg, VA. most likely deceased. > Dr. Harold B. Younger, Dallas, Texas now deceased. > > > >From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > >Reply-To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com > >To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:11:59 -0500 > > > >Interesting in deed. Care to share the sources on this? Thnakyou... > >Linda in KC > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Gee Ellis" <gee_ellis@hotmail.com> > >To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:57 PM > >Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > > > > > > > John Younger married Sarah Terry Oct 8, 1830. John Henry WC Younger > >married > > > Lucy Lanier in Madison County, MS Feb. 2, 1849. They settled in Atwood, > >TN > > > where he later married (2) Ida Bomar. If Mary Bomar could have two > > > Williams.....why not two Johns? John Younger and JHWCY were two > >different > > > sons of Mary Bomar Younger. > > > > > > >From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > > > >Reply-To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > > > >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:29:26 -0500 > > > > > > > >I have John Younger b abt 1812 Halifax, Va, Usa to Williamson Younger > >and > > > >Mary Bomar. Don't ask for a source on this one because I don't have > >one. > > > >This is an old entry... Now comes JHWC Younger who is claimed to have > >been > > > >born in 1818... ok lets accept the latter. Then do we discount that > >JHWC > > > >never married Sarah Terry? Because if he did he was only 12 years old > >on > >8 > > > >Oct 1830 when they married and he was only 16 when his daughter Sarah > >Ann > > > >Younger was born. Does this make sense? Please tell me if I am wrong on > > > >these dates!! > > > > > > > >1850 VA Halifax County, Northern District (030) > > > >476/479 9 Oct > > > >Sarah Younger 40 f $2000 VA > > > >Sarah A. 16 f VA > > > >Mary A. Terry 44 f VA > > > > > > > >SOURCE:-Virginia Marriages, 1740-1850. [Younger-Terry]; 1850 census, > >head > > > >of > > > >household. > > > > > > > >Linda in KC > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> > > > >To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:33 AM > > > >Subject: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought perhaps it would be helpful if I presented my entire > >rationale > > > > > on the issue of parentage for John Henry Wilson Yunger [to be > >referred > > > > > to as JHWY henceforth] > > > > > > > > > > Williamson Younger died 2 Dec 1817. The date is specific since it > >was > > > > > included in a court record. he died while executing his father, > > > > > William's estate and the date of his death was significant to the > >legal > > > > > process. His inventory and appraisal occurred 22 Jan 1818 by > >Fielding > > > > > Bomar and John Light. His children were named and they were: > > > > > William > > > > > Williamson - whose birth occured (Jan) 1817 according to the 1850 > >census > > > > > & others > > > > > Armistead > > > > > John - who married Sarah Terry) > > > > > James > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > It seemed strange to me that Mary would name a second child John > >when > >a > > > > > preceeding child named John was still alive. That is why I double > > > > > checked to be sure that the John listed with Williamson's heirs was > >not > > > > > the same as JHWY. > > > > > > > > > > Mary Bomar Younger's estate was appraised 16 Sep 1820 and recorded > >21 > > > > > Feb 1821. > > > > > This probably means she died shortly before that date because the > > > > > probate usually preceeds the inventory and appraisal. > > > > > > > > > > There was almost imediately a demand by William Sydnor, atty., > > > > > representing William against John, James, Armistead and Williamson > >by > > > > > guardian William Barksdale that Sydnor set to the highest bidder the > > > > > land and slaves which Mary Younger held in her lifetime and one half > >of > > > > > the estate of Williamson Younger, dec'd. > > > > > > > > > > Common practice would have given the widow one third of the assets. > >Why > > > > > were one half being liquidated in the interests of the heirs by > >their > > > > > guardian? Were the interests of the heirs being protected in case > >the > > > > > widow remarry as might be the case since she was a very young woman. > > > > > Perhaps there was some indication that that might be the case (a > > > > > premature pregnancy, perhaps?) > > > > > > > > > > In the document previously submitted here in which a Cage was named > >as > > > > > JHWY's father, Mary provided only for one child, JHWY. Was that > >because > > > > > she knew the others would be provided for by the terms of > >Williamson's > > > > > estate? She needed to protect the welfare of her last child, > > > > > apparently. Who better to care for him than his own father? > > > > > > > > > > Although Mary mentioned an anticipated legacy from her father, Bibby > > > > > Bomar, he did not die until late 1832, In the division of his > >property > > > > > he named the children of Mary, dec'd.: > > > > > Mary Ellington, wife of Loring Ellington > > > > > John, James, Armistead and Williamson Younger > > > > > Wilson Cage > > > > > > > > > > Why did he call all of Williamson Younger's children by the surname > > > > > "Younger" and call the subject of our hypothesis "Cage"? Did he know > > > > > something we do not? It has been suggested that JHWY adopted his > > > > > guardian's name. There seems to be no proof of that. The court > >records > > > > > in Halifax County VA during that period are replete with > >guardianships > > > > > and guardian reports for Williamson's heirs, but no evidence of a > > > > > guardianship exists for JHWY. Is that because no guardianship was > > > > > required since it was known that ___ Cage was his father? > > > > > > > > > > If Williamson Younger had been JHWY's father, he would have shared > > > > > equally in the assets of Williamson. There is no evidence that he > > > > > received anything from Williamson's estate. He had full entitlement > >to > > > > > any assets that were those of his mother and received from her > >assets. > > > > > > > > > > Which brings us to 6 March 1838 > > > > > Halifax County VA Deed Book 45:187 > > > > > William Younger and wife Priscilla } > > > > > Williamson Younger and wife Louisa } both of Pittsylvania > > > > > Armistead and wife Rebecca > > > > > Joseph Goodman and wife Sarah (who are these people? Sarah is the > > > > > remarried widow > > > > > of James Younger, dec'd. > > > > > (only Mary is missing and it is unknown if she survived to this > >date) > > > > > These were the heirs and distributors of James Younger, dec'd, late > >of > > > > > > > Halifax County, VA of the one part who sold to Joseph Fuqua and > >William > > > > > bates of the same, witnesseth that the above named heirs sell for > >$91.66 > > > > > a parcel of land, it being one third part of the estate that fell to > > > > > Mary Younger in the division of Bibby Bomar's estate by > >commissioners > > > > > appointed for that purpose, and which tract became by the demise of > >Mary > > > > > Younger, the property of James Younger, dec'd. together with all the > > > > > rights and priveleges. Signed by all the above heirs. > > > > > > > > > > This obviously was not an oversight on the part of the heirs. They > >had > > > > > no intention of including JHWY. He would, however, have been > >entitled > >to > > > > > a full share of the property since these were his mother's assets > >which > > > > > in her division went to James. When James died the property fell > >back > >to > > > > > Mary's children to divide equally. Keep in mind these were not the > > > > > assets of Williamson. That is important. > > > > > > > > > > It is at this point that JHWY appointed a power of atty to represent > >his > > > > > interests > > > > > . There was perhaps even a law suit (of which I have no knowlege but > > > > > expect his POA would have pursued that course if he was fully > > > > > representing him.) > > > > > > > > > > The document submitted today by Brownie indicates that he was > >successful > > > > > in his quest - and rightly so- again, since these were his mother's > > > > > assets from her father. > > > > > > > > > > I have a birthdate for John henry Wilson Younger which was given to > >me > > > > > without documentation. I hesitate to publish it without > >documentation > > > > > since it is such a vital piece of evidence. Anyone who can document > >his > > > > > birth is encourgaed to do so. > > > > > > > > > > I hate to appear like a dog with a bone but at some point we need a > > > > > consensus on the evidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. 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The only documentation I have on Joseph follows the information I have: Joseph Younger son of Thomas b 1756 Halifax, Va, Usa; d 2 Aug 1805 Essex, Va; m 6 Dec 1788 Halifax, Va, Sally Brown SOURCE:-Virginia Marriages to 1800. [Younger-Brown] The other Joseph, I have as son of James Younger and Anna Nash Joseph Younger b 1770 Chatham, Nc; d 1823 Wilkes, Nc; m 6 Feb 1790 Wilkes, Nc, Elizabeth Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: <NKYList@aol.com> > Linda, > > Where do you get Joseph as the son of James & Anna Nash Younger? That's a new one on me!!! He's probably the son of Thomas Younger and James is his uncle, but even that can't be proven. Willie and I, along with a few others, have certainly built a mound of circumstantial evidence though. > > If you have documentation of Joseph as James' son, please share. > > Thanks, > Nancy

Interesting in deed. Care to share the sources on this? Thnakyou... Linda in KC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gee Ellis" <gee_ellis@hotmail.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > John Younger married Sarah Terry Oct 8, 1830. John Henry WC Younger married > Lucy Lanier in Madison County, MS Feb. 2, 1849. They settled in Atwood, TN > where he later married (2) Ida Bomar. If Mary Bomar could have two > Williams.....why not two Johns? John Younger and JHWCY were two different > sons of Mary Bomar Younger. > > >From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > >Reply-To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com > >To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:29:26 -0500 > > > >I have John Younger b abt 1812 Halifax, Va, Usa to Williamson Younger and > >Mary Bomar. Don't ask for a source on this one because I don't have one. > >This is an old entry... Now comes JHWC Younger who is claimed to have been > >born in 1818... ok lets accept the latter. Then do we discount that JHWC > >never married Sarah Terry? Because if he did he was only 12 years old on 8 > >Oct 1830 when they married and he was only 16 when his daughter Sarah Ann > >Younger was born. Does this make sense? Please tell me if I am wrong on > >these dates!! > > > >1850 VA Halifax County, Northern District (030) > >476/479 9 Oct > >Sarah Younger 40 f $2000 VA > >Sarah A. 16 f VA > >Mary A. Terry 44 f VA > > > >SOURCE:-Virginia Marriages, 1740-1850. [Younger-Terry]; 1850 census, head > >of > >household. > > > >Linda in KC > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> > >To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:33 AM > >Subject: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > > > > > > > I thought perhaps it would be helpful if I presented my entire rationale > > > on the issue of parentage for John Henry Wilson Yunger [to be referred > > > to as JHWY henceforth] > > > > > > Williamson Younger died 2 Dec 1817. The date is specific since it was > > > included in a court record. he died while executing his father, > > > William's estate and the date of his death was significant to the legal > > > process. His inventory and appraisal occurred 22 Jan 1818 by Fielding > > > Bomar and John Light. His children were named and they were: > > > William > > > Williamson - whose birth occured (Jan) 1817 according to the 1850 census > > > & others > > > Armistead > > > John - who married Sarah Terry) > > > James > > > Mary > > > > > > It seemed strange to me that Mary would name a second child John when a > > > preceeding child named John was still alive. That is why I double > > > checked to be sure that the John listed with Williamson's heirs was not > > > the same as JHWY. > > > > > > Mary Bomar Younger's estate was appraised 16 Sep 1820 and recorded 21 > > > Feb 1821. > > > This probably means she died shortly before that date because the > > > probate usually preceeds the inventory and appraisal. > > > > > > There was almost imediately a demand by William Sydnor, atty., > > > representing William against John, James, Armistead and Williamson by > > > guardian William Barksdale that Sydnor set to the highest bidder the > > > land and slaves which Mary Younger held in her lifetime and one half of > > > the estate of Williamson Younger, dec'd. > > > > > > Common practice would have given the widow one third of the assets. Why > > > were one half being liquidated in the interests of the heirs by their > > > guardian? Were the interests of the heirs being protected in case the > > > widow remarry as might be the case since she was a very young woman. > > > Perhaps there was some indication that that might be the case (a > > > premature pregnancy, perhaps?) > > > > > > In the document previously submitted here in which a Cage was named as > > > JHWY's father, Mary provided only for one child, JHWY. Was that because > > > she knew the others would be provided for by the terms of Williamson's > > > estate? She needed to protect the welfare of her last child, > > > apparently. Who better to care for him than his own father? > > > > > > Although Mary mentioned an anticipated legacy from her father, Bibby > > > Bomar, he did not die until late 1832, In the division of his property > > > he named the children of Mary, dec'd.: > > > Mary Ellington, wife of Loring Ellington > > > John, James, Armistead and Williamson Younger > > > Wilson Cage > > > > > > Why did he call all of Williamson Younger's children by the surname > > > "Younger" and call the subject of our hypothesis "Cage"? Did he know > > > something we do not? It has been suggested that JHWY adopted his > > > guardian's name. There seems to be no proof of that. The court records > > > in Halifax County VA during that period are replete with guardianships > > > and guardian reports for Williamson's heirs, but no evidence of a > > > guardianship exists for JHWY. Is that because no guardianship was > > > required since it was known that ___ Cage was his father? > > > > > > If Williamson Younger had been JHWY's father, he would have shared > > > equally in the assets of Williamson. There is no evidence that he > > > received anything from Williamson's estate. He had full entitlement to > > > any assets that were those of his mother and received from her assets. > > > > > > Which brings us to 6 March 1838 > > > Halifax County VA Deed Book 45:187 > > > William Younger and wife Priscilla } > > > Williamson Younger and wife Louisa } both of Pittsylvania > > > Armistead and wife Rebecca > > > Joseph Goodman and wife Sarah (who are these people? Sarah is the > > > remarried widow > > > of James Younger, dec'd. > > > (only Mary is missing and it is unknown if she survived to this date) > > > These were the heirs and distributors of James Younger, dec'd, late of > > > Halifax County, VA of the one part who sold to Joseph Fuqua and William > > > bates of the same, witnesseth that the above named heirs sell for $91.66 > > > a parcel of land, it being one third part of the estate that fell to > > > Mary Younger in the division of Bibby Bomar's estate by commissioners > > > appointed for that purpose, and which tract became by the demise of Mary > > > Younger, the property of James Younger, dec'd. together with all the > > > rights and priveleges. Signed by all the above heirs. > > > > > > This obviously was not an oversight on the part of the heirs. They had > > > no intention of including JHWY. He would, however, have been entitled to > > > a full share of the property since these were his mother's assets which > > > in her division went to James. When James died the property fell back to > > > Mary's children to divide equally. Keep in mind these were not the > > > assets of Williamson. That is important. > > > > > > It is at this point that JHWY appointed a power of atty to represent his > > > interests > > > . There was perhaps even a law suit (of which I have no knowlege but > > > expect his POA would have pursued that course if he was fully > > > representing him.) > > > > > > The document submitted today by Brownie indicates that he was successful > > > in his quest - and rightly so- again, since these were his mother's > > > assets from her father. > > > > > > I have a birthdate for John henry Wilson Younger which was given to me > > > without documentation. I hesitate to publish it without documentation > > > since it is such a vital piece of evidence. Anyone who can document his > > > birth is encourgaed to do so. > > > > > > I hate to appear like a dog with a bone but at some point we need a > > > consensus on the evidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. 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I have John Younger b abt 1812 Halifax, Va, Usa to Williamson Younger and Mary Bomar. Don't ask for a source on this one because I don't have one. This is an old entry... Now comes JHWC Younger who is claimed to have been born in 1818... ok lets accept the latter. Then do we discount that JHWC never married Sarah Terry? Because if he did he was only 12 years old on 8 Oct 1830 when they married and he was only 16 when his daughter Sarah Ann Younger was born. Does this make sense? Please tell me if I am wrong on these dates!! 1850 VA Halifax County, Northern District (030) 476/479 9 Oct Sarah Younger 40 f $2000 VA Sarah A. 16 f VA Mary A. Terry 44 f VA SOURCE:-Virginia Marriages, 1740-1850. [Younger-Terry]; 1850 census, head of household. Linda in KC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > I thought perhaps it would be helpful if I presented my entire rationale > on the issue of parentage for John Henry Wilson Yunger [to be referred > to as JHWY henceforth] > > Williamson Younger died 2 Dec 1817. The date is specific since it was > included in a court record. he died while executing his father, > William's estate and the date of his death was significant to the legal > process. His inventory and appraisal occurred 22 Jan 1818 by Fielding > Bomar and John Light. His children were named and they were: > William > Williamson - whose birth occured (Jan) 1817 according to the 1850 census > & others > Armistead > John - who married Sarah Terry) > James > Mary > > It seemed strange to me that Mary would name a second child John when a > preceeding child named John was still alive. That is why I double > checked to be sure that the John listed with Williamson's heirs was not > the same as JHWY. > > Mary Bomar Younger's estate was appraised 16 Sep 1820 and recorded 21 > Feb 1821. > This probably means she died shortly before that date because the > probate usually preceeds the inventory and appraisal. > > There was almost imediately a demand by William Sydnor, atty., > representing William against John, James, Armistead and Williamson by > guardian William Barksdale that Sydnor set to the highest bidder the > land and slaves which Mary Younger held in her lifetime and one half of > the estate of Williamson Younger, dec'd. > > Common practice would have given the widow one third of the assets. Why > were one half being liquidated in the interests of the heirs by their > guardian? Were the interests of the heirs being protected in case the > widow remarry as might be the case since she was a very young woman. > Perhaps there was some indication that that might be the case (a > premature pregnancy, perhaps?) > > In the document previously submitted here in which a Cage was named as > JHWY's father, Mary provided only for one child, JHWY. Was that because > she knew the others would be provided for by the terms of Williamson's > estate? She needed to protect the welfare of her last child, > apparently. Who better to care for him than his own father? > > Although Mary mentioned an anticipated legacy from her father, Bibby > Bomar, he did not die until late 1832, In the division of his property > he named the children of Mary, dec'd.: > Mary Ellington, wife of Loring Ellington > John, James, Armistead and Williamson Younger > Wilson Cage > > Why did he call all of Williamson Younger's children by the surname > "Younger" and call the subject of our hypothesis "Cage"? Did he know > something we do not? It has been suggested that JHWY adopted his > guardian's name. There seems to be no proof of that. The court records > in Halifax County VA during that period are replete with guardianships > and guardian reports for Williamson's heirs, but no evidence of a > guardianship exists for JHWY. Is that because no guardianship was > required since it was known that ___ Cage was his father? > > If Williamson Younger had been JHWY's father, he would have shared > equally in the assets of Williamson. There is no evidence that he > received anything from Williamson's estate. He had full entitlement to > any assets that were those of his mother and received from her assets. > > Which brings us to 6 March 1838 > Halifax County VA Deed Book 45:187 > William Younger and wife Priscilla } > Williamson Younger and wife Louisa } both of Pittsylvania > Armistead and wife Rebecca > Joseph Goodman and wife Sarah (who are these people? Sarah is the > remarried widow > of James Younger, dec'd. > (only Mary is missing and it is unknown if she survived to this date) > These were the heirs and distributors of James Younger, dec'd, late of > Halifax County, VA of the one part who sold to Joseph Fuqua and William > bates of the same, witnesseth that the above named heirs sell for $91.66 > a parcel of land, it being one third part of the estate that fell to > Mary Younger in the division of Bibby Bomar's estate by commissioners > appointed for that purpose, and which tract became by the demise of Mary > Younger, the property of James Younger, dec'd. together with all the > rights and priveleges. Signed by all the above heirs. > > This obviously was not an oversight on the part of the heirs. They had > no intention of including JHWY. He would, however, have been entitled to > a full share of the property since these were his mother's assets which > in her division went to James. When James died the property fell back to > Mary's children to divide equally. Keep in mind these were not the > assets of Williamson. That is important. > > It is at this point that JHWY appointed a power of atty to represent his > interests > . There was perhaps even a law suit (of which I have no knowlege but > expect his POA would have pursued that course if he was fully > representing him.) > > The document submitted today by Brownie indicates that he was successful > in his quest - and rightly so- again, since these were his mother's > assets from her father. > > I have a birthdate for John henry Wilson Younger which was given to me > without documentation. I hesitate to publish it without documentation > since it is such a vital piece of evidence. Anyone who can document his > birth is encourgaed to do so. > > I hate to appear like a dog with a bone but at some point we need a > consensus on the evidence. > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html >

Halifax County Marriage Records and Madison County, MS Marriage Records. Ida BomarYounger 3929 Boonesboro Road, Lynchburg, VA. most likely deceased. Dr. Harold B. Younger, Dallas, Texas now deceased. >From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> >Reply-To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com >To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:11:59 -0500 > >Interesting in deed. Care to share the sources on this? Thnakyou... >Linda in KC > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gee Ellis" <gee_ellis@hotmail.com> >To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:57 PM >Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > > > > John Younger married Sarah Terry Oct 8, 1830. John Henry WC Younger >married > > Lucy Lanier in Madison County, MS Feb. 2, 1849. They settled in Atwood, >TN > > where he later married (2) Ida Bomar. If Mary Bomar could have two > > Williams.....why not two Johns? John Younger and JHWCY were two >different > > sons of Mary Bomar Younger. > > > > >From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > > >Reply-To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > > >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:29:26 -0500 > > > > > >I have John Younger b abt 1812 Halifax, Va, Usa to Williamson Younger >and > > >Mary Bomar. Don't ask for a source on this one because I don't have >one. > > >This is an old entry... Now comes JHWC Younger who is claimed to have >been > > >born in 1818... ok lets accept the latter. Then do we discount that >JHWC > > >never married Sarah Terry? Because if he did he was only 12 years old >on >8 > > >Oct 1830 when they married and he was only 16 when his daughter Sarah >Ann > > >Younger was born. Does this make sense? Please tell me if I am wrong on > > >these dates!! > > > > > >1850 VA Halifax County, Northern District (030) > > >476/479 9 Oct > > >Sarah Younger 40 f $2000 VA > > >Sarah A. 16 f VA > > >Mary A. Terry 44 f VA > > > > > >SOURCE:-Virginia Marriages, 1740-1850. [Younger-Terry]; 1850 census, >head > > >of > > >household. > > > > > >Linda in KC > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> > > >To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:33 AM > > >Subject: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > > > > > > > > > > I thought perhaps it would be helpful if I presented my entire >rationale > > > > on the issue of parentage for John Henry Wilson Yunger [to be >referred > > > > to as JHWY henceforth] > > > > > > > > Williamson Younger died 2 Dec 1817. The date is specific since it >was > > > > included in a court record. he died while executing his father, > > > > William's estate and the date of his death was significant to the >legal > > > > process. His inventory and appraisal occurred 22 Jan 1818 by >Fielding > > > > Bomar and John Light. His children were named and they were: > > > > William > > > > Williamson - whose birth occured (Jan) 1817 according to the 1850 >census > > > > & others > > > > Armistead > > > > John - who married Sarah Terry) > > > > James > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > It seemed strange to me that Mary would name a second child John >when >a > > > > preceeding child named John was still alive. That is why I double > > > > checked to be sure that the John listed with Williamson's heirs was >not > > > > the same as JHWY. > > > > > > > > Mary Bomar Younger's estate was appraised 16 Sep 1820 and recorded >21 > > > > Feb 1821. > > > > This probably means she died shortly before that date because the > > > > probate usually preceeds the inventory and appraisal. > > > > > > > > There was almost imediately a demand by William Sydnor, atty., > > > > representing William against John, James, Armistead and Williamson >by > > > > guardian William Barksdale that Sydnor set to the highest bidder the > > > > land and slaves which Mary Younger held in her lifetime and one half >of > > > > the estate of Williamson Younger, dec'd. > > > > > > > > Common practice would have given the widow one third of the assets. >Why > > > > were one half being liquidated in the interests of the heirs by >their > > > > guardian? Were the interests of the heirs being protected in case >the > > > > widow remarry as might be the case since she was a very young woman. > > > > Perhaps there was some indication that that might be the case (a > > > > premature pregnancy, perhaps?) > > > > > > > > In the document previously submitted here in which a Cage was named >as > > > > JHWY's father, Mary provided only for one child, JHWY. Was that >because > > > > she knew the others would be provided for by the terms of >Williamson's > > > > estate? She needed to protect the welfare of her last child, > > > > apparently. Who better to care for him than his own father? > > > > > > > > Although Mary mentioned an anticipated legacy from her father, Bibby > > > > Bomar, he did not die until late 1832, In the division of his >property > > > > he named the children of Mary, dec'd.: > > > > Mary Ellington, wife of Loring Ellington > > > > John, James, Armistead and Williamson Younger > > > > Wilson Cage > > > > > > > > Why did he call all of Williamson Younger's children by the surname > > > > "Younger" and call the subject of our hypothesis "Cage"? Did he know > > > > something we do not? It has been suggested that JHWY adopted his > > > > guardian's name. There seems to be no proof of that. The court >records > > > > in Halifax County VA during that period are replete with >guardianships > > > > and guardian reports for Williamson's heirs, but no evidence of a > > > > guardianship exists for JHWY. Is that because no guardianship was > > > > required since it was known that ___ Cage was his father? > > > > > > > > If Williamson Younger had been JHWY's father, he would have shared > > > > equally in the assets of Williamson. There is no evidence that he > > > > received anything from Williamson's estate. He had full entitlement >to > > > > any assets that were those of his mother and received from her >assets. > > > > > > > > Which brings us to 6 March 1838 > > > > Halifax County VA Deed Book 45:187 > > > > William Younger and wife Priscilla } > > > > Williamson Younger and wife Louisa } both of Pittsylvania > > > > Armistead and wife Rebecca > > > > Joseph Goodman and wife Sarah (who are these people? Sarah is the > > > > remarried widow > > > > of James Younger, dec'd. > > > > (only Mary is missing and it is unknown if she survived to this >date) > > > > These were the heirs and distributors of James Younger, dec'd, late >of > > > > > Halifax County, VA of the one part who sold to Joseph Fuqua and >William > > > > bates of the same, witnesseth that the above named heirs sell for >$91.66 > > > > a parcel of land, it being one third part of the estate that fell to > > > > Mary Younger in the division of Bibby Bomar's estate by >commissioners > > > > appointed for that purpose, and which tract became by the demise of >Mary > > > > Younger, the property of James Younger, dec'd. together with all the > > > > rights and priveleges. Signed by all the above heirs. > > > > > > > > This obviously was not an oversight on the part of the heirs. They >had > > > > no intention of including JHWY. He would, however, have been >entitled >to > > > > a full share of the property since these were his mother's assets >which > > > > in her division went to James. When James died the property fell >back >to > > > > Mary's children to divide equally. Keep in mind these were not the > > > > assets of Williamson. That is important. > > > > > > > > It is at this point that JHWY appointed a power of atty to represent >his > > > > interests > > > > . There was perhaps even a law suit (of which I have no knowlege but > > > > expect his POA would have pursued that course if he was fully > > > > representing him.) > > > > > > > > The document submitted today by Brownie indicates that he was >successful > > > > in his quest - and rightly so- again, since these were his mother's > > > > assets from her father. > > > > > > > > I have a birthdate for John henry Wilson Younger which was given to >me > > > > without documentation. I hesitate to publish it without >documentation > > > > since it is such a vital piece of evidence. Anyone who can document >his > > > > birth is encourgaed to do so. > > > > > > > > I hate to appear like a dog with a bone but at some point we need a > > > > consensus on the evidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. 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In the 1820 Halifax Co. VA census there is a Wilson Cage, b. 1795/1800, m. 28 Feb 1825 Halifax Co. VA Elizabeth Ussery. There is the estate of a Wilson Cage, who died intestate on 27 March 1845 filed in Lafayette Co. AR. His lone heir is listed as J. H. W. Cage. I think that this is the same Wilson from Halifax Co.; there were many other Wilson Cages at the time. The estate papers do not name JHW Cage as a son.....only the sole heir. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

> I think I will write to her -- you never know, maybe she's still there! Thats the trouble with these things no date for the address is given. In my book when a person's name and address are entered I add the date I was last contacted by this person to show what time frame they were at that local. Good luck! I think this was on Disk 1 of the Cds, and as you know the source field cuts off long info.... darn! -Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JYG <jyg@kc.rr.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:42 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] To Helen- Re: Estes > > > > You should probably contact the person who submitted this information. She > > states she has the actual Will, I believe for Marcus Younger and/or John > > Younger. What she submitted to the Pedigree Resource File was as stated > > below. I am still looking for information on this group. One thing to > > remember, Marcus' wife was also Susannah Younger for whom we have no death > > date, but the one below names sister Mary Estes and nephew Younger Wyatt > to > > distinguish her from her mother. -Linda > > > > Mary Ellen Williams Carlton > > 7038 Spring Valley Rd. > > Dallas, Tx 75240 > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

John Younger married Sarah Terry Oct 8, 1830. John Henry WC Younger married Lucy Lanier in Madison County, MS Feb. 2, 1849. They settled in Atwood, TN where he later married (2) Ida Bomar. If Mary Bomar could have two Williams.....why not two Johns? John Younger and JHWCY were two different sons of Mary Bomar Younger. >From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> >Reply-To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com >To: YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:29:26 -0500 > >I have John Younger b abt 1812 Halifax, Va, Usa to Williamson Younger and >Mary Bomar. Don't ask for a source on this one because I don't have one. >This is an old entry... Now comes JHWC Younger who is claimed to have been >born in 1818... ok lets accept the latter. Then do we discount that JHWC >never married Sarah Terry? Because if he did he was only 12 years old on 8 >Oct 1830 when they married and he was only 16 when his daughter Sarah Ann >Younger was born. Does this make sense? Please tell me if I am wrong on >these dates!! > >1850 VA Halifax County, Northern District (030) >476/479 9 Oct >Sarah Younger 40 f $2000 VA >Sarah A. 16 f VA >Mary A. Terry 44 f VA > >SOURCE:-Virginia Marriages, 1740-1850. [Younger-Terry]; 1850 census, head >of >household. > >Linda in KC > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> >To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:33 AM >Subject: [YOUNGER] John Henry Wilson Younger # 2 > > > > I thought perhaps it would be helpful if I presented my entire rationale > > on the issue of parentage for John Henry Wilson Yunger [to be referred > > to as JHWY henceforth] > > > > Williamson Younger died 2 Dec 1817. The date is specific since it was > > included in a court record. he died while executing his father, > > William's estate and the date of his death was significant to the legal > > process. His inventory and appraisal occurred 22 Jan 1818 by Fielding > > Bomar and John Light. His children were named and they were: > > William > > Williamson - whose birth occured (Jan) 1817 according to the 1850 census > > & others > > Armistead > > John - who married Sarah Terry) > > James > > Mary > > > > It seemed strange to me that Mary would name a second child John when a > > preceeding child named John was still alive. That is why I double > > checked to be sure that the John listed with Williamson's heirs was not > > the same as JHWY. > > > > Mary Bomar Younger's estate was appraised 16 Sep 1820 and recorded 21 > > Feb 1821. > > This probably means she died shortly before that date because the > > probate usually preceeds the inventory and appraisal. > > > > There was almost imediately a demand by William Sydnor, atty., > > representing William against John, James, Armistead and Williamson by > > guardian William Barksdale that Sydnor set to the highest bidder the > > land and slaves which Mary Younger held in her lifetime and one half of > > the estate of Williamson Younger, dec'd. > > > > Common practice would have given the widow one third of the assets. Why > > were one half being liquidated in the interests of the heirs by their > > guardian? Were the interests of the heirs being protected in case the > > widow remarry as might be the case since she was a very young woman. > > Perhaps there was some indication that that might be the case (a > > premature pregnancy, perhaps?) > > > > In the document previously submitted here in which a Cage was named as > > JHWY's father, Mary provided only for one child, JHWY. Was that because > > she knew the others would be provided for by the terms of Williamson's > > estate? She needed to protect the welfare of her last child, > > apparently. Who better to care for him than his own father? > > > > Although Mary mentioned an anticipated legacy from her father, Bibby > > Bomar, he did not die until late 1832, In the division of his property > > he named the children of Mary, dec'd.: > > Mary Ellington, wife of Loring Ellington > > John, James, Armistead and Williamson Younger > > Wilson Cage > > > > Why did he call all of Williamson Younger's children by the surname > > "Younger" and call the subject of our hypothesis "Cage"? Did he know > > something we do not? It has been suggested that JHWY adopted his > > guardian's name. There seems to be no proof of that. The court records > > in Halifax County VA during that period are replete with guardianships > > and guardian reports for Williamson's heirs, but no evidence of a > > guardianship exists for JHWY. Is that because no guardianship was > > required since it was known that ___ Cage was his father? > > > > If Williamson Younger had been JHWY's father, he would have shared > > equally in the assets of Williamson. There is no evidence that he > > received anything from Williamson's estate. He had full entitlement to > > any assets that were those of his mother and received from her assets. > > > > Which brings us to 6 March 1838 > > Halifax County VA Deed Book 45:187 > > William Younger and wife Priscilla } > > Williamson Younger and wife Louisa } both of Pittsylvania > > Armistead and wife Rebecca > > Joseph Goodman and wife Sarah (who are these people? Sarah is the > > remarried widow > > of James Younger, dec'd. > > (only Mary is missing and it is unknown if she survived to this date) > > These were the heirs and distributors of James Younger, dec'd, late of > > Halifax County, VA of the one part who sold to Joseph Fuqua and William > > bates of the same, witnesseth that the above named heirs sell for $91.66 > > a parcel of land, it being one third part of the estate that fell to > > Mary Younger in the division of Bibby Bomar's estate by commissioners > > appointed for that purpose, and which tract became by the demise of Mary > > Younger, the property of James Younger, dec'd. together with all the > > rights and priveleges. Signed by all the above heirs. > > > > This obviously was not an oversight on the part of the heirs. They had > > no intention of including JHWY. He would, however, have been entitled to > > a full share of the property since these were his mother's assets which > > in her division went to James. When James died the property fell back to > > Mary's children to divide equally. Keep in mind these were not the > > assets of Williamson. That is important. > > > > It is at this point that JHWY appointed a power of atty to represent his > > interests > > . There was perhaps even a law suit (of which I have no knowlege but > > expect his POA would have pursued that course if he was fully > > representing him.) > > > > The document submitted today by Brownie indicates that he was successful > > in his quest - and rightly so- again, since these were his mother's > > assets from her father. > > > > I have a birthdate for John henry Wilson Younger which was given to me > > without documentation. I hesitate to publish it without documentation > > since it is such a vital piece of evidence. 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I have a Joseph, son of Thomas and maybe Mary Northern (never have proved that marriage) who married Elizabeth Gray 6 Feb 1790. I don't have a son named Joseph for James and Anna Nash. For whatever this is worth. ----- Original Message ----- From: <NKYList@aol.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] for Nancy about Nancy Green

Where does the middle initial H. come from? I have this on Jessee, who seems to have used this spelling frequently, for whatever reason: -1840 VA Halifax County, Northern District (038) Jesse Younger -1850 VA Halifax County, Northern District (055) 867/870 10 Dec Jessee Younger 36 m miller $1200 VA Henry Blackstock 30 m laborer VA -1860 VA Halifax County, Scottsburg P.O. (684) Jesse Younger -1860 VA Halifax County, Northern District (319) slave schedule Jesse Younger -1870 VA Halifax County, St. Aunton Township (708) Jessee Younger -1880 VA Halifax County, Staunton (415) 216/216 Jessee Younger w m 67 head farmer (all born VA) Martha E. DeJarnette w f 31 dau keephouse James P. w m 20 snlw farming Geo. F. w m 3 grson John F. w m 1 grson Mollie S. Younger w f 12 grdau at school Wm. J. w m 11 grson at school Suckey Younger B f 95 serv servant Buck Pringle B m 20 serv servant Robert Colwell B m 15 serv servant Bettie Langhorne Mu f 28 serv servant Sallie Mu f 1 serv dau I do not know where/when/why but have his wife as Martha Weatherford. I have a copy of the 1850 census if anyone wants that. Linda in KC

You should probably contact the person who submitted this information. She states she has the actual Will, I believe for Marcus Younger and/or John Younger. What she submitted to the Pedigree Resource File was as stated below. I am still looking for information on this group. One thing to remember, Marcus' wife was also Susannah Younger for whom we have no death date, but the one below names sister Mary Estes and nephew Younger Wyatt to distinguish her from her mother. -Linda Mary Ellen Williams Carlton 7038 Spring Valley Rd. Dallas, Tx 75240 > > daughter Susannah 50 acres of land, named grandson James Wyatt, then his 4 > > children, namely John, Elizabeth Clark, Mary Estes and Susannah Younger. > He appointed John as his executor. Witnesses: John Hannard, Armistead Bomar, > > Sally Hannard. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 10, pg 99.] > > NAMED GRANDSON, YOUNGER WYATT is what it says in the FOTY book???? > > This is copied as stated by Ms Carlton above. > > -Susannah Younger Signed Will: 1831, Halifax, Va, Usa. [Names slaves Fanny > > and Harry, providing for them to buy their freedom with a sum of money to > > her heirs named in the Will; sister Mary Estes; nephew, Younger Wyatt and > > his wife Polly; witness Dolly Light.] > > ALL WEARING APPAREL TO BE DIVIDED BETWEEN SUSANNAH ESTES AND MARY WYATT. >I took this to mean Susannah Estes, dau of her sister Mary (Younger) Estes and Mary (Dillon) Wyatt, wife Younger Wyatt. Looks like the names were transcribed wrong. Susannah from all records seems to never have married. > WITNESSES; DOLLY LIGHT, JOHN CAP AND MAR STREET. YOUNGER WYATT REFUSED > ADMINISTRATION, COURT APPOINTED JAMES ADKINSON. > > (caps used to denote I'm quoting from the FOTY book) Do you have different > information? > > > -Settlement of Estate: 28 Aug 1833; Executors S. C. Jackson and Richard > > Cook; Payees, Lucy Younger, John Lamdrum, Rec'd Samuel Younger, Joel > > Younger, Thomas Younger and Daniel Mills, Sr. [Halifax County, Virginia > Will > > Book: Bk 15, pg 422.] > > I "believe" this refererence is to another Susannah Younger. > Consider this: > Halifax Co. VA Book 19: 656 > 1 Jan 1842 > Estate of Susannah Younger, James Adkinson, administrator > Payee: Younger Wyatt Could this be Younger Wyatt's grandmother, Susannah Wyatt, wife of Marcus???

Thanks Clifford - that's the address I used. Hopefully she will send other info besides the will. ----- Original Message ----- From: Clifford D. Younger, Sr. <cyounger@netzero.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] To Helen- Re: Estes > The last time I contacted her was 1998, this was still good address then. > Mary Ellen Williams Carlton > 7038 Spring Valley Rd. > Dallas, Tx 75240 > > CY

I have so many Estes in my files it really gets confusing because they come from different families. Some are from the Jesse James line, some from my own and this one, so I will see what I can find. For now: First the Mary Estes you mention was Mary Younger who married George Estes 1 Dec 1786 Halifax, Va. Both of them were witnesses to Mary's brother John's Will in 1827. Mary Estes was also named in the Will of her father Marcus Younger in 1815: SOURCES: -Virginia Marriages to 1800. [Estes-Younger] -Marcus Younger Signed Will: 25 May 1805; Named his heirs and John Younger as his administrator. Markus Younger wrote a will on 25 May 1805 leaving his daughter Susannah 50 acres of land, named grandson James Wyatt, then his 4 children, namely John, Elizabeth Clark, Mary Estes and Susannah Younger. He appointed John as his executor. Witnesses: John Hannard, Armistead Bomar, Sally Hannard. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 10, pg 99.] -John Younger Will signed: 17 Oct 1817, Halifax County, Va, Usa. [Names wife, Lucy Hart Younger;sons Robert, Joel, Thomas to care for his mother.] [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 11, pg 50.] -Susannah Younger Signed Will: 1831, Halifax, Va, Usa. [Names slaves Fanny and Harry, providing for them to buy their freedom with a sum of money to her heirs named in the Will; sister Mary Estes; nephew, Younger Wyatt and his wife Polly; witness Dolly Light.] -Settlement of Estate: 28 Aug 1833; Executors S. C. Jackson and Richard Cook; Payees, Lucy Younger, John Lamdrum, Rec'd Samuel Younger, Joel Younger, Thomas Younger and Daniel Mills, Sr. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 15, pg 422.] Can you give me a page number for that 1880 census so I can look it up? Thanks.. Linda in KC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: [YOUNGER] Re: Estes > Linda, > Mary Estes named as sister in will of Susannah Younger, dau of Markus Younger and Susannah. What relation, if any, might she be to the Nancy Estes listed as head of household in the 1880 Marion Co, AR census. Ellen Younger, 76, is living with her. Also Wiliam Estes, 17. Mabel Motes and I pondered over what the conncection might be for several months before Mabel died. If we could figure this out, it might shed a little more light on the father of Tomahawk Thomas. > > Helen > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >