Nancy- Did I get all of the censuses back to you that you needed? I have been a little swamped and got behind with all the requests I had for lookups. I am finished at last. ;) Maybe you can clarify this for me, as I know it isn't correct. I have Thomas James Younger and wife Mary Nall. Their children: Alexander; Nancy Ann; Robert; Rebecca; Harrison Thomas; Mary; James Newton; Samuel Jesse; George Thomas; Martha; John; Joseph; Hannah Elizabeth and William David. I have been puzzled seeing Harrison Thomas and George Thomas both go by the name Thomas. I have this Harrison as "Thomahawk" Thomas. I only added the Harrison last night as it was posted this way in a TREE, so as to remember the connection, if any. Please help me get this one straight! Thanks, I have been working on it for days... and include sources if you have them. Linda in KC ----- Original Message ----- From: <NKYList@aol.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: [YOUNGER] Rome C. Younger > Rome C. is the son of Petis P. Younger & Sina Walker. Petis is the son of > Harrison Younger & unknown. Harrison is the son of Joseph Younger & > Elizabeth Gray. > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

What would the correct dates be, thanks. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Nancy Estes > Linda I have copies of all these families. While I think about it, the > census dates for Jasper's girls are not accurate. I have the dates from the > family Bible and from the girls themselves. Martha Alice was my husband's > mother. I should say my first husband. A lot of the information I have > came from her. > > Helen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:46 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Nancy Estes > > > > I am wondering if this could be Nancy Younger dau of Thomas and Ellen, who > m > > Nathan Woodworth and later married an Estes? Her age would be right, > > although says b IL, but we know about census reports... just an idea. > > I found (Newton) Jasper Younger and wife Sarah (Loggains) and dau Mary in > > one household and Thomas (Marion)Younger and wife Sarah (Adams) and son > > (Fancher) Luther with Thomas' bro Charles (Alexander) all on next page. > Just > > ask for copies. Many in this family seem to have gone by their middle > names. > > > > Linda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Nancy Estes > > > > > > > Nancy Estes, head of household, age 48, IL? SC TN in 1880 Marion Co. AR > > > census, > > > Wim. age 17, son, AR SC TN > > > Ellen Younger, 76, NC NC NC at home. > > > > > > My question was: What is the relationship of Nancy to Ellen and to the > > Mary > > > Younger Estes mentioned in something sent in, I think it was sent in by > > > Brownie. As I recall Mary was dau. of Marcus. I wondered if perhaps > this > > > connection might help establish our Tomahawk Thomas (Ellen's husband) > into > > a > > > family. > > > > > > Helen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Nancy Estes > > > > > > > > > > Helen, > > > > > > > > I did not have the message this was referring to, could you send me > what > > > it > > > > was you were looking for. Sorry about that. > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> > > > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:17 AM > > > > Subject: [YOUNGER] Nancy Estes > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linda, the page # looks to be 17. They were dwelling 158 family 158 > > in > > > > Water Creek Twp. Living next door was Alexander and Lucinda Younger. > > > Other > > > > surnames were Taylors, Parks and Baker. > > > > > William Estes was listed as her son, but Ellen Younger was just > listed > > > at > > > > home. The copier did not copy birthplaces, but I had written them in > > and > > > am > > > > wondering if I wrote Nancy's incorrectly. I have she was born in IL, > > but > > > > for Wm. mother I have TN. When you check it, could you check this for > > > sure > > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > Helen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't > hesitate > > to e-mail > > > > > > ============================== > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. If Need any help just e-mail Younger-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

I have Nancy Younger in the 1850 census age 13 (born 1837 KY), dau of Thomas Younger and Ellender. This is the one in Giles County, TN. I have that she married Nathan Woodworth and they had children Flora (1854) and Sylvia (1857) Woodworth. Nathan was b 1824 in NY. I was trying to say that it was possible that Nathan Woodworth may have died and Nancy married an Estes. This would account for the 1900 census we spoke of. Again, this was just a theory of how Nancy Estes could have been head of household with Ellen Younger. Linda in KC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: [YOUNGER] Nancy Woodworth > Linda, > I wasn't aware that Nancy Woodworth married an Estes. Where did you find this information? If she did, then Nancy Estes in the 1880 Marion Co, AR census could be one and the same. Mabel nor I either one persued Nancy Woodworth further. > Helen > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Yes, Helen, thanks. I thought everyone but me would know who they are, since I am the "new kid" here, but thought the names of the daughters might need clarification for anyone who didn't have them in families. I will try and id them better next time. Sometimes I get so much so fast! I decided to go back thru all of the censuses and copy them in .gif and attach to the card of the head of household in case anyone wants a copy will always be there. There sure are alot in Wilkes County, NC that I do not know where they belong. Anyone know of Rome C. Younger 1876-1910 and wife Nancy Jane Byrd? Thats a new one on me! They say they are b and d there but cannot find in census of Wilkes county... Linda in KC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] 1880&1900 census AR > You identified the daughters as Alexander and Lucinda Youngers. Did you > know that Jasper, Thomas and Charles were their sons? Probably did, just > didn't say so. > Helen

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Linda, I wasn't aware that Nancy Woodworth married an Estes. Where did you find this information? If she did, then Nancy Estes in the 1880 Marion Co, AR census could be one and the same. Mabel nor I either one persued Nancy Woodworth further. Helen

I don't know who A. J. Stephens/Stevens parents were either. There is a Granville Stevens in the 1880 Marion Co. AR census who had a son Andrew, but he is not old enough for A. J. According to Mabel Motes, A. J. was Andrew J. I looked a little today, but Granville was the only one I found. Of course if Andy wanted to be older than Hannah, he could have lied about his age!! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: [YOUNGER] 1880&1900 census AR > -1880 AR Marion County, Tomahawk Township (079) > 224/224 19 Jun [Ed 110, Sh 26] > Jasper Younger w m 20 head laborer AR TN TN > Sarah w f 19 wife AR OH AR > Mary w f 1 dau AR AR AR > > 226/226 (same as above) > Thomas Yonger w m 26 head laborer TN TN TN > Sarah w f 18 wife AR KY TN > Luther w m 1 son AR TN AR > Charles w m 23 bro laborer AR TN TN > > > Daughters of Alexander Younger and Lucinda Henson: > -1900 AR Stone County, Turkey Creek Township (214) > 24/25 4-5 Jun [Ed 135, Sh 2] > Ruben Herrington head w m Jan 1851 49 M 22 MS VA VA farmer/owns > Jane E. wife w f Mar 1861 39 M 22 9 6 AR KY TN > Charles C. son w m Jul 1879 20 S AR MS AR > Lucy M. dau w f Feb 1883 16 S AR MS AR > Alex. son w m Aug 1885 14 S AR MS AR > Seley M. dau w f Jul 1890 9 S AR MS AR > Ruben A. son w m Nov 1898 1 S AR MS AR > > -1900 AR Marion County, De Soto Township (017) > 10/10 1 Jun [Ed 78, Sh 1] > A. J. Stephens head w m May 1855 45 M 19 KY ? ? Day > laborer/rent > H. L. wife w f May 1867 33 M 19 6 4 AR KY TN > Levadie dau w f Apr 1889 11 S AR KY AR at > school > Lafayette son w m Nov 1891 8 S AR KY AR at school > Sendas M. dau w f Feb 1895 5 S AR KY AR > Ivy dau w f Oct 1898 1 S AR KY AR > P. F. Martin boarder w m Mar 1857 43 S Ny Can Can Day > laborer > (Dont know parents of A. J.) > > -1900 AR Marion County, Hamilton Township (086) > 237/237 20 Jun [Ed 83, Sh 14] > Shelby Lay head w m Aug 1837 48 M 28 TN VA TN Physician/owns > Margaret wife w f Mar 1849 51 M 28 7 7 TN TN TN > Lucy dau w f Feb 1876 24 S AR TN TN > Lawrence son w m Jun 1880 19 S AR TN TN > Eldred son w m Feb 1883 17 S AR TN TN > Maudie dau w f Sep 1887 12 S AR TN TN > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Linda I have copies of all these families. While I think about it, the census dates for Jasper's girls are not accurate. I have the dates from the family Bible and from the girls themselves. Martha Alice was my husband's mother. I should say my first husband. A lot of the information I have came from her. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Nancy Estes > I am wondering if this could be Nancy Younger dau of Thomas and Ellen, who m > Nathan Woodworth and later married an Estes? Her age would be right, > although says b IL, but we know about census reports... just an idea. > I found (Newton) Jasper Younger and wife Sarah (Loggains) and dau Mary in > one household and Thomas (Marion)Younger and wife Sarah (Adams) and son > (Fancher) Luther with Thomas' bro Charles (Alexander) all on next page. Just > ask for copies. Many in this family seem to have gone by their middle names. > > Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:39 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Nancy Estes > > > > Nancy Estes, head of household, age 48, IL? SC TN in 1880 Marion Co. AR > > census, > > Wim. age 17, son, AR SC TN > > Ellen Younger, 76, NC NC NC at home. > > > > My question was: What is the relationship of Nancy to Ellen and to the > Mary > > Younger Estes mentioned in something sent in, I think it was sent in by > > Brownie. As I recall Mary was dau. of Marcus. I wondered if perhaps this > > connection might help establish our Tomahawk Thomas (Ellen's husband) into > a > > family. > > > > Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Nancy Estes > > > > > > > Helen, > > > > > > I did not have the message this was referring to, could you send me what > > it > > > was you were looking for. Sorry about that. > > > > > > Linda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Helen McMindes" <calark2@yournet.com> > > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:17 AM > > > Subject: [YOUNGER] Nancy Estes > > > > > > > > > > Linda, the page # looks to be 17. They were dwelling 158 family 158 > in > > > Water Creek Twp. Living next door was Alexander and Lucinda Younger. > > Other > > > surnames were Taylors, Parks and Baker. > > > > William Estes was listed as her son, but Ellen Younger was just listed > > at > > > home. The copier did not copy birthplaces, but I had written them in > and > > am > > > wondering if I wrote Nancy's incorrectly. I have she was born in IL, > but > > > for Wm. mother I have TN. When you check it, could you check this for > > sure > > > also. > > > > > > > > Helen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate > to e-mail > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

You identified the daughters as Alexander and Lucinda Youngers. Did you know that Jasper, Thomas and Charles were their sons? Probably did, just didn't say so. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: [YOUNGER] 1880&1900 census AR > -1880 AR Marion County, Tomahawk Township (079) > 224/224 19 Jun [Ed 110, Sh 26] > Jasper Younger w m 20 head laborer AR TN TN > Sarah w f 19 wife AR OH AR > Mary w f 1 dau AR AR AR > > 226/226 (same as above) > Thomas Yonger w m 26 head laborer TN TN TN > Sarah w f 18 wife AR KY TN > Luther w m 1 son AR TN AR > Charles w m 23 bro laborer AR TN TN > > > Daughters of Alexander Younger and Lucinda Henson: > -1900 AR Stone County, Turkey Creek Township (214) > 24/25 4-5 Jun [Ed 135, Sh 2] > Ruben Herrington head w m Jan 1851 49 M 22 MS VA VA farmer/owns > Jane E. wife w f Mar 1861 39 M 22 9 6 AR KY TN > Charles C. son w m Jul 1879 20 S AR MS AR > Lucy M. dau w f Feb 1883 16 S AR MS AR > Alex. son w m Aug 1885 14 S AR MS AR > Seley M. dau w f Jul 1890 9 S AR MS AR > Ruben A. son w m Nov 1898 1 S AR MS AR > > -1900 AR Marion County, De Soto Township (017) > 10/10 1 Jun [Ed 78, Sh 1] > A. J. Stephens head w m May 1855 45 M 19 KY ? ? Day > laborer/rent > H. L. wife w f May 1867 33 M 19 6 4 AR KY TN > Levadie dau w f Apr 1889 11 S AR KY AR at > school > Lafayette son w m Nov 1891 8 S AR KY AR at school > Sendas M. dau w f Feb 1895 5 S AR KY AR > Ivy dau w f Oct 1898 1 S AR KY AR > P. F. Martin boarder w m Mar 1857 43 S Ny Can Can Day > laborer > (Dont know parents of A. J.) > > -1900 AR Marion County, Hamilton Township (086) > 237/237 20 Jun [Ed 83, Sh 14] > Shelby Lay head w m Aug 1837 48 M 28 TN VA TN Physician/owns > Margaret wife w f Mar 1849 51 M 28 7 7 TN TN TN > Lucy dau w f Feb 1876 24 S AR TN TN > Lawrence son w m Jun 1880 19 S AR TN TN > Eldred son w m Feb 1883 17 S AR TN TN > Maudie dau w f Sep 1887 12 S AR TN TN > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

I am writing this to answer a question about DAR. Membership Eligibility: Any woman who is no less than 18 years of age and can prove lineal, blood line descent from an ancestor who aided in achieving American independence. She must provide documentation for each birth, marriage and death as well as the ancestor's service. The documentation must, without a reasonable doubt, show her lineage to the ancestor. Acceptable Service: Signers of the Dec. of Ind.; Military Service both Federal or State Militia; Civil Service; Government (State, County, City) Officials; Patriotic Service such as ministers who gave patriotic sermons, those who gave supplies, etc. There are many others. Perhaps, as one member stated, in the beginning documentation was sketchy. I am not sure. But I do know that is not the case today. Each piece of decendancy information is very carefully checked and documented. Each copy of birth certificates, bible pages, etc. must be notarized and proven. If not, the papers are sent back and must be resubmitted. How do I know? I, too, am a member who has sent in several sets of papers. I have been waiting 2 years for them to approve the new line I submitted on Michael Karn/Kern, Bedford Co. VA. They are presently backed up on the Supplemental Ancestors due to the large volume they receive and the documentation they must cover to approve them. I am presently Vice-Regent of our Chapter; have been Registrar; and, have just recently served as a "Genie Bug" in Washington D.C. (which is how I know what must be documented). I am very proud to be a member of one of the few patriotic organizations available to women. I would hope that any one of you who can prove your lineage would at least attend a meeting in your area. I am sure you will see what I mean. Sorry, but just had to give my thoughts on the organization. Donna Green Nash

Thank you. I have the actual copy already. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Re: Estes > Thankyou Wilma! > > For Helen: email me at jyg@kc.rr.com if you want the actual copy of the > page. > > 158/158 > Nancy Estes w f 48 head widow keepinghouse IL SC TN > William w m 17 son single AR SC TN > Ellen Younger w f 76 at home NC NC NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wilma Norton" <wilma@softcom.net> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Re: Estes > > > > Linda, this is Helen's original message. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Helen McMindes <calark2@yournet.com> > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:02 AM > > Subject: [YOUNGER] Re: Estes > > > > > > > Linda, > > > Mary Estes named as sister in will of Susannah Younger, dau of Markus > > Younger and Susannah. What relation, if any, might she be to the Nancy > > Estes listed as head of household in the 1880 Marion Co, AR census. Ellen > > Younger, 76, is living with her. Also Wiliam Estes, 17. Mabel Motes and I > > pondered over what the conncection might be for several months before > Mabel > > died. If we could figure this out, it might shed a little more light on > the > > father of Tomahawk Thomas. > > > > > > Helen > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't > hesitate > > to e-mail > > > > > > ============================== > > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. If Need any help just > e-mail Younger-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Wilma H. wrote: > Attn: JYG > I'm sorry it took me so long. I'm still stacks of paper behind- > No need for apology, but I admit I was anxious to see your response to this. :) > I think your documentation is quite complete that Mary Younger, > Humphrey's sister married Henry Anderson by whom she had a daughter > Elinor. Elinor married John Marsh and together they had Mary who married > James Maxwell. I see no indication that these folks are connected to the > Scottish church records For me it was a major find. I agree we can now seperate Mary and Humphrey from the Scots. I also had the feeling of English ancestry. > I came away from your documents with another question without an answer. > Who were the John and James Younger who were next of kin to Mary > Anderson? Brother's of Mary Anderson, like Humphrey or nephews, sons of > Humphrey? My guess as to the John and James Younger, were Humphrey's son, John being the father of Joshua. They would have been about 26 and 28 years old. Also named in her Will was Alexander Wilson, who was he? One thing about Wills.... Who signed them as witnesses? Were they anyone who happened to be around at the time, family, friends, etc.? I have never really discussed this matter with anyone. I have not removed the Logan from Joshua's name in my records, only making a mental note, as to remind me to find where that came from. I have Humphrey Youngers wife as mary Pell, as it appears in records. She was b abt 1684 Kent, Md, dau of William Pell, who d in Talbot, Md. His other dau Margaret Pell m1 William Uselton who d bef 1729 [Inventory: 22 May 1729; Filed: 4 Sep 1729. Executrix, wife Margaret.] Margaret m2 Mr. Childs. -20 Oct 1737, Gideon Pearce of Kent County, Gent., and his wife Anne, which said Gideon is son and devises of Col. William Pearce late of said county, dec'd, convey to Margaret Childs of Cecil County and after her death to her son William Uselton, Lot 134 of George Town. [Colonial Families of the Eastern Shore, Vol 4: The Uselton Family, pg 286.] There was a lot more on the Uselton family. The reason I mention it is because Margaret Uselton is named in regard to her sister Mary. -4 Apr 1732, Humphrey Younger of Kent County, and his wife Mary and Margaret Uselton, daughters of William Pell, of Talbot County, dec'd, convey to John Woodsll, son of Thomas Woodall, planter, 100 acres on Hambleton's Creek called "Hope." {Qalr Rta: 145} -Estate Appraised: 20 Oct 1748, Kent, Md, Usa. No creditors. John Brown (Quaker), administrator, filed inventory mentioning Richard Graham, Henry Trulock and Joseph Trulock, 6 May 1749. [Colonial Families of the Eastern Shore, Vol 4: The Uselton Family, pg 286.] So, I think this pretty much ties this family together as a group Sorry to repeat what I have already posted, but is hard to keep track. Here is what I have on Humphrey, showing he was in Md as early as 1722, when he was abt 45 years old: -1722, Kent, Md, Levy Books, Humphry Younger. [MD Early Census Index] -1723, Kent, Md, Usa; named in will of Dr. John March. -1728, Kent, Md, Usa; named in will of Mary Anderson, widow. [To brother Humphrey Younger, executor, residue of personality.] -Younger, Humphry, Sr.,Kent Co.,9th Mar., 1739; 9th June, 1740. To son John, "The Sole." At his death to pass to his son John and hrs. To son Humphrey, dwelling plantation. At his death to pass to his son Henry and hrs. To son James, land adjoining dwelling plantation. At his death to pass to his son James. To Sarah, wife of John, personalty. To son Thomas, ex., residue of personal estate. Test: Aaron Alford, Robert Stidman (Studman), John Depenny. 22. 206 -Probate: 9 Jun 1740, Kent, Md, Usa; Inventory: 18 Jul 1740, Kent, Md, Usa. [Maryland Calendar of Wills, Vol. 8.] From this we also establish that Humphrey Younger was the brother of Mary Anderson; father of John Younger who had a wife Sarah, and son John; father of Humphrey, who has a son Henry; father of James, who has a son James; and father of Thomas, who was made executor. Linda in KC

Attn: JYG I'm sorry it took me so long. I'm still stacks of paper behind- I think your documentation is quite complete that Mary Younger, Humphrey's sister married Henry Anderson by whom she had a daughter Elinor. Elinor married John Marsh and together they had Mary who married James Maxwell. I see no indication that these folks are connected to the Scottish church records. In fact I came away with a sense that they were English, rather than Scotch - not proven - just an indication from associates and property in England. Both Humphrey and Mary were born in the sixteenth century when records are sparse in America. I don't know if we can make any conclusions from the absence of records for them prior to the early records in the seventeenth century. It makes me wonder if they were born elsewhere and brought or came to America leaving relatives behind. We may not be able to find their ancestor in America. If I was looking, I would probably be looking in England - not Scotland (truly just a hunch) I came away from your documents with another question without an answer. Who were the John and James Younger who were next of kin to Mary Anderson? Brother's of Mary Anderson, like Humphrey or nephews, sons of Humphrey? It might be a good idea to get the real verbiage of her inventory and maybe even the estate settlement. Both might give us a hint. Sometimes the transcriptions leave out a single word that might be a clue.

I think having the DAR site available for researchers is a wonderful boon. We should all make use of them. I was just offering a little caveat for caution. We still need to do our own authenticating. I've grown suspicious also of dates not documented. How many times have we been tempted to drop the ca or abt at a birth or death date? More often than I like to admit. I don't think it is malicious. I think it is human. We all want to fill in all the spaces. I have sat and calculated birth dates from the first appearance on tax records. I know that is an accepted method of dating births but is it accurate? I don't know- but I use them. I also know that when you get a date from a census record, it is just as likely to de discounted by the succeeding census record. I think we all do the best we can but, remember, there might have been a ca or an abt at one time before a date fell into our hands. As for Virginia instead of Elizabeth Lee? One name is as good as another to me. I'm not ready to accept either of them. JYG wrote: > Wilma H.- > > I know you have the actual records. The DAR was/is having a free online > lookup, so I thought I would punch-in Joshua to see what their response > would be and this was the result, nothing more, nothing less. I understand > that we still need to find out about Elizabeth Lee. I suppose my real query > here is the fact that I have complete dates on her birth and death. They had > to come from somewhere and that is what puzzles me so. Did someone just > simply make them up? You can see where I am confused... On another note, > while looking at TREES I find that one patron listed her name as Virginia > Lee, not that that means anything in particular either. > > Linda in KC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:23 AM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Joshua Younger-DAR response > > > I find this reference to Elizabeth Lee very interesting. The DAR and the > pension authorities would have only what was given to them by either the > > widow or a subsequent descendant seeking admission to the DAR. I suspect > this report is a copy of the DAR application from a descendant long after > > the fact and not from the official pension papers. If it were from > Catherine Yoter Younger's pension application, I would almost be ready to > throw > > down the gauntlet -but the DAR - Nah---- I have a copy of Catherine's > pension application and there is no mention of Elizabeth Lee in it. > > > > One more thing. When the DAR authenticates a descendancy, it deals only > with the direct line. It asks for siblings or children (I do not remember > > which) but there is no attempt to authenticate that information. It is > caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). > > > > Upon what authority do I speak? I have been a member since 1977, Regent of > Cincinnati Chapter 1982 and 1983, delegate to Continental Congress in > > Washington twice and submitted six successful applications - but not > without a lot of work and proof. That's how I know what they document. > > > > Actually, in the beginning of the DAR, they didn't authenticate the lines > that were submitted and after a number of years those lines were > > challenged by family members and their own documentation. Now, if someone > attempts to go in on one of those early lines, they are told that they can > > not go in on someone else's number but will have to document their line. > They are trying to clean up their earlier error. It sometimes takes as much > > as 2-3 years to get a new line through their audit process. > > > > JYG wrote: > > > > > >From the online lookup service I received the following: > > > > > > Thank you for your interest in DAR's patriot volunteer lookup service. > > > Response: > > > ================ > > > A search of the DAR PATRIOT INDEX for JOSHUA YOUNGER provided the > following > > > entry: > > > > ========================================================================= > > > YOUNGER, Joshua > > > Birth: VA 11 May 1752 > > > Service: VA > > > Rank: Pvt > > > Death: IN 2 Aug 1834 > > > Patriot Pensioned: Yes Widow Pensioned: Yes > > > Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: Yes > > > Spouse: Catherine Yoter > > > Spouse: Elizabeth Lee > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto > www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me > know.) > > > > > > ============================== > > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > > your heritage! > > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. 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----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Joshua Younger-DAR response > > As for Virginia instead of Elizabeth Lee? One name is as good as another to me. I'm not ready to accept either > of them. > Do you have any other ideas as to her identity? Linda

YOUNGER MAGGIE 1869 1938 SILOAM SPRINGS YOUNGER MARTHA A. 1895 1973 SILOAM SPRINGS YOUNGER SAM A. 1854 1929 SILOAM SPRINGS YOUNGER WARREN A. 1887 1954 SILOAM SPRINGS YOUNGER WARREN A. 1917 1976 SILOAM SPRINGS YOUNGER WARREN A. 1944 1945 SILOAM SPRINGS [Benton County Arkansas Cemetery Index]

I find this reference to Elizabeth Lee very interesting. The DAR and the pension authorities would have only what was given to them by either the widow or a subsequent descendant seeking admission to the DAR. I suspect this report is a copy of the DAR application from a descendant long after the fact and not from the official pension papers. If it were from Catherine Yoter Younger's pension application, I would almost be ready to throw down the gauntlet -but the DAR - Nah---- I have a copy of Catherine's pension application and there is no mention of Elizabeth Lee in it. One more thing. When the DAR authenticates a descendancy, it deals only with the direct line. It asks for siblings or children (I do not remember which) but there is no attempt to authenticate that information. It is caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). Upon what authority do I speak? I have been a member since 1977, Regent of Cincinnati Chapter 1982 and 1983, delegate to Continental Congress in Washington twice and submitted six successful applications - but not without a lot of work and proof. That's how I know what they document. Actually, in the beginning of the DAR, they didn't authenticate the lines that were submitted and after a number of years those lines were challenged by family members and their own documentation. Now, if someone attempts to go in on one of those early lines, they are told that they can not go in on someone else's number but will have to document their line. They are trying to clean up their earlier error. It sometimes takes as much as 2-3 years to get a new line through their audit process. JYG wrote: > >From the online lookup service I received the following: > > Thank you for your interest in DAR's patriot volunteer lookup service. > Response: > ================ > A search of the DAR PATRIOT INDEX for JOSHUA YOUNGER provided the following > entry: > ========================================================================= > YOUNGER, Joshua > Birth: VA 11 May 1752 > Service: VA > Rank: Pvt > Death: IN 2 Aug 1834 > Patriot Pensioned: Yes Widow Pensioned: Yes > Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: Yes > Spouse: Catherine Yoter > Spouse: Elizabeth Lee > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Wilma H.- I know you have the actual records. The DAR was/is having a free online lookup, so I thought I would punch-in Joshua to see what their response would be and this was the result, nothing more, nothing less. I understand that we still need to find out about Elizabeth Lee. I suppose my real query here is the fact that I have complete dates on her birth and death. They had to come from somewhere and that is what puzzles me so. Did someone just simply make them up? You can see where I am confused... On another note, while looking at TREES I find that one patron listed her name as Virginia Lee, not that that means anything in particular either. Linda in KC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Joshua Younger-DAR response > I find this reference to Elizabeth Lee very interesting. The DAR and the pension authorities would have only what was given to them by either the > widow or a subsequent descendant seeking admission to the DAR. I suspect this report is a copy of the DAR application from a descendant long after > the fact and not from the official pension papers. If it were from Catherine Yoter Younger's pension application, I would almost be ready to throw > down the gauntlet -but the DAR - Nah---- I have a copy of Catherine's pension application and there is no mention of Elizabeth Lee in it. > > One more thing. When the DAR authenticates a descendancy, it deals only with the direct line. It asks for siblings or children (I do not remember > which) but there is no attempt to authenticate that information. It is caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). > > Upon what authority do I speak? I have been a member since 1977, Regent of Cincinnati Chapter 1982 and 1983, delegate to Continental Congress in > Washington twice and submitted six successful applications - but not without a lot of work and proof. That's how I know what they document. > > Actually, in the beginning of the DAR, they didn't authenticate the lines that were submitted and after a number of years those lines were > challenged by family members and their own documentation. Now, if someone attempts to go in on one of those early lines, they are told that they can > not go in on someone else's number but will have to document their line. They are trying to clean up their earlier error. It sometimes takes as much > as 2-3 years to get a new line through their audit process. > > JYG wrote: > > > >From the online lookup service I received the following: > > > > Thank you for your interest in DAR's patriot volunteer lookup service. > > Response: > > ================ > > A search of the DAR PATRIOT INDEX for JOSHUA YOUNGER provided the following > > entry: > > ========================================================================= > > YOUNGER, Joshua > > Birth: VA 11 May 1752 > > Service: VA > > Rank: Pvt > > Death: IN 2 Aug 1834 > > Patriot Pensioned: Yes Widow Pensioned: Yes > > Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: Yes > > Spouse: Catherine Yoter > > Spouse: Elizabeth Lee > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. If Need any help just e-mail Younger-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Also found this in 1850 Halifax census: Elizabeth Lagrand, 64 VA head of house, with Mary Stephens 25 Va and James Stephens 10 VA and Sarah A. Stephens 8 VA living with her. Age would be about right for her as the wife of Mason Able LeGrand born 1781 VA.

I did some more searching in my 1850 Halifax VA census last night and came up with what I perceive to be some additional information. Let me know if you think I've gone off on a wild goose chase. Descendants of Robert H. Younger Generation No. 1 1. Robert H.1 Younger (JohnA, MarcusB, YoungerC) was born 1784 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: (1) 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, Robert Younger, 66, farmer, $2500.., (2) 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Robert Younger, 76, farmer.), and died Bef. 1870 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: Wilma Hillman via email 6/6/01.). He married Mary Moore November 16, 1807 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: Wilma Hillman via email 6/6/01.), daughter of Anderson Moore. She was born Abt. 1790 in Virginia (Source: (1) 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, Mary Younger, 60 VA., (2) 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Mary Younger, 70..), and died Bef. 1866. More About Robert Younger and Mary Moore: Marriage: November 16, 1807, Halifax County, Virginia (Source: Wilma Hillman via email 6/6/01.) Children of Robert Younger and Mary Moore are: + 2 i. Elizabeth2 Younger, born Abt. 1813 in Virginia. 3 ii. Nancy T. Younger, born Abt. 1815 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: Estimated based on year of marriage..). She married William Pollard December 19, 1835 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: (1) FOTY Research by Margarette B. Hutchins, compiled by Wilma Hillman June 2000., (2) Marriage Index: CD#229 KY NC TN VA WV 1728-1850, William Pollard to Nancy T. Younger.); born Abt. 1810. More About William Pollard and Nancy Younger: Marriage: December 19, 1835, Halifax County, Virginia (Source: (1) FOTY Research by Margarette B. Hutchins, compiled by Wilma Hillman June 2000., (2) Marriage Index: CD#229 KY NC TN VA WV 1728-1850, William Pollard to Nancy T. Younger.) 4 iii. William Spain Younger, born Abt. 1819 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: Estimated based on year of marriage..). He married Lucy Bailey November 9, 1839 in Campbell County, Virginia (Source: FOTY Research by Margarette B. Hutchins Compiled by Wilma C. Hillman June 2000, Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy by Hensaw.); born in Campbell County, Virginia. More About William Younger and Lucy Bailey: Marriage: November 9, 1839, Campbell County, Virginia (Source: FOTY Research by Margarette B. Hutchins Compiled by Wilma C. Hillman June 2000, Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy by Hensaw.) + 5 iv. Martha Frances Younger, born Abt. 1822 in Halifax County, Virginia. 6 v. Mary M. Younger, born 1829 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, Mary M., 21, VA.). She married Peter L. Palmer January 1, 1857 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: FOTY Research by Margarette B. Hutchins, compiled by Wilma Hillman June 2000.); born 1815 in Virginia (Source: 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, Peter Palmer, 35, farmer VA living with Daniel Palmer, 65 VA.). More About Peter Palmer and Mary Younger: Marriage: January 1, 1857, Halifax County, Virginia (Source: FOTY Research by Margarette B. Hutchins, compiled by Wilma Hillman June 2000.) 7 vi. Philip A. J. Younger, born Abt. 1839 in Virginia (Source: (1) 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, Phillip A. J., 11 VA., (2) 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Philip Younger, 21, laborer..). He married Louisa Elmira Tune September 17, 1866 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: FOTY Research by Margarette B. Hutchins Compiled by Wilma C. Hillman June 2000.). More About Philip Younger and Louisa Tune: Marriage: September 17, 1866, Halifax County, Virginia (Source: FOTY Research by Margarette B. Hutchins Compiled by Wilma C. Hillman June 2000.) Generation No. 2 2. Elizabeth2 Younger (Robert H.1, JohnA, MarcusB, YoungerC) was born Abt. 1813 in Virginia (Source: (1) 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, Elizabeth Light, 37 VA., (2) 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Elizabeth Light farmer, 47 VA.). She married William Light January 14, 1834 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: Marriage Index: CD#229 KY NC TN VA WV 1728-1850.). He was born 1801 in Virginia (Source: 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, William Light, 49, farmer $1400. VA.), and died Bef. 1860 in Virginia (Source: Not in 1860 census with Elizabeth and children..). More About William Light and Elizabeth Younger: Marriage: January 14, 1834, Halifax County, Virginia (Source: Marriage Index: CD#229 KY NC TN VA WV 1728-1850.) Children of Elizabeth Younger and William Light are: 8 i. Sarah A.3 Light, born 1835 (Source: (1) 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, Sarah A. 15 VA., (2) 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Sallie, 25, housekeeper VA.). 9 ii. Joel T. Light, born 1837 (Source: 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, Joel T. 13 VA.). + 10 iii. Sophronia A. Light, born 1839 in Halifax County, Virginia. 11 iv. John Robert Light, born 1841 (Source: (1) 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, John R. 9 VA., (2) 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Robert, 18, laborer VA.). 5. Martha Frances2 Younger (Robert H.1, JohnA, MarcusB, YoungerC) was born Abt. 1822 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: (1) 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, Martha F. Bradley, 29 VA., (2) 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Martha F. Bradley, 38 VA.). She married Thomas W. Bradley November 10, 1847 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: FOTY Research by Margarette B. Hutchins, compiled by Wilma Hillman June 2000.). He was born 1815 in Virginia (Source: (1) 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, Thomas W. Bradley, 35 Black Smith $600. VA., (2) 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Thomas W. Bradley, 45 farmer VA.). More About Thomas Bradley and Martha Younger: Marriage: November 10, 1847, Halifax County, Virginia (Source: FOTY Research by Margarette B. Hutchins, compiled by Wilma Hillman June 2000.) Children of Martha Younger and Thomas Bradley are: 12 i. James H.3 Bradley, born 1848 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: (1) 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, James H. 9/12 VA., (2) 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, James H. 12 VA.). 13 ii. Mary C. Bradley, born 1852 (Source: 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Mary C. 8 VA.). 14 iii. Ann E. Bradley, born 1857 (Source: 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Ann E. 3 VA.). Generation No. 3 10. Sophronia A.3 Light (Elizabeth2 Younger, Robert H.1, JohnA, MarcusB, YoungerC) was born 1839 in Halifax County, Virginia (Source: (1) 1850 Northern Dist. Halifax Co. VA, Sophronia A. 11 VA., (2) 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Sophrenia Pollard, 21, laborer, living with her mother..). She married William Pollard. He was born 1833 in Virginia (Source: 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, William Pollard, 27, laborer - living with Elizabeth Light.). Children of Sophronia Light and William Pollard are: 15 i. Sallie E.4 Pollard, born 1856 (Source: 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Sallie E. 4 VA - in home of grandmother..). 16 ii. William T. Pollard, born 1858 (Source: 1860 Scottsburg Twp. Halifax Co. VA, Wm. T. 2, VA in home of grandmother..).