Thankyou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > That was not Manny, it was either Nancy or Nanny...a female. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 8:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > > > > > > "We have both the William who married Patience unplaced as well as > Marcus. > > There must be a > > > connection. What is it?" > > > > I also have a Manny Younger as bro of William Younger, son of Mary > Northern. > > Was this a typo for Marcus or a nickname? He was not in Thomas' Will > either. > > BUT if he did have children with Mary Northern bef 1750 and around 1730, > > these children may have been provided for when their mother died and > before > > Thomas married Sarah Ferguson and started a new family??? Theory here... > > > > If nothing else, Williamson Younger is tied to Molly Watkins as his mother > > through his wife's Will where she provides for her: "of same for Mrs. > > Huddleston's lifetime..." > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate > to e-mail > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Younger" <byounger@onemain.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: [YOUNGER] info > While browse'n in the library at Hohenwald, TN, I came accross the following which may be of interest. Please note the Virginia Heads of families lists 4 William Younger's and families. > William Younger, b Abt. 1740 d Bef. 7-15-1803 Virginia, m Patience _________; Patriotic service Virginia. I sent a request to the online DAR lookup service for this record. It should some via email in a couple of days. Cross your fingers... Linda in KC

Nevermind about Sally....she was a daughter of William and Patience. I e-read the will. Elizabeth Younger, daughter of William and Mary Watkins married Armistead Bomar...Armistead was brother of Bibby, who was Mary Bomar's father. I noticed you asked Katherine for her source. My source is a Bomar descendant whose name I cannot reveal, because they're in the upper echelon of the genealogy business. I already had the information, but the source confirmed it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > Thankyou > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > > > That was not Manny, it was either Nancy or Nanny...a female. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 1:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> > > > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 8:28 AM > > > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > > > > > > > > > "We have both the William who married Patience unplaced as well as > > Marcus. > > > There must be a > > > > connection. What is it?" > > > > > > I also have a Manny Younger as bro of William Younger, son of Mary > > Northern. > > > Was this a typo for Marcus or a nickname? He was not in Thomas' Will > > either. > > > BUT if he did have children with Mary Northern bef 1750 and around 1730, > > > these children may have been provided for when their mother died and > > before > > > Thomas married Sarah Ferguson and started a new family??? Theory here... > > > > > > If nothing else, Williamson Younger is tied to Molly Watkins as his > mother > > > through his wife's Will where she provides for her: "of same for Mrs. > > > Huddleston's lifetime..." > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't > hesitate > > to e-mail > > > > > > ============================== > > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > Younger Mailing List, Please feel welcome here. If Need any help just e-mail Younger-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] more questions > > In the settlement > Halifax County VA Minute Book 11:47, 48, 48B > August Court 1842 > We learn that Thomas and Mary were sister and brother of the "half blood". That is how > we know that Thomas had married more than once. By this time Mary Fretwell had remarried > and was now Mary Scudder. Had Marcus been even a child of the "half blood" he would have > been named to get his pittance. Wilma, could you elaborate on this a little more? Linda in KC

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > "We have both the William who married Patience unplaced as well as Marcus. There must be a > connection. What is it?" I also have a Manny Younger as bro of William Younger, son of Mary Northern. Was this a typo for Marcus or a nickname? He was not in Thomas' Will either. BUT if he did have children with Mary Northern bef 1750 and around 1730, these children may have been provided for when their mother died and before Thomas married Sarah Ferguson and started a new family??? Theory here... If nothing else, Williamson Younger is tied to Molly Watkins as his mother through his wife's Will where she provides for her: "of same for Mrs. Huddleston's lifetime..."

PART 1 If incorrect this is a good place to find out... :) William Younger-Patience children: 1. Rachel "Polly" was unmarried 2. Leah b 1772; m John Wyatt 1790, children Rachel and Younger. Goes to Owen, IN, with dau Rachel. 3. Keziah "Katy" "Kissiah" m John Ellis Bentley, 8 children (from Bible) resided in Henderson, KY (more) 4. Elizabeth "Betty" questionable. Did she m Boyd or Bomar? (more on the Boyds) 5. Sarah "Sally b 1773; m John Thomas 1793, boith dead bef 1850 Iredell, NC. children? -1782 Halifax County, Virginia Personal Property Tax List Younger, William 1(Tithes); 0 (Negroes); 2 (Horses); 0 (Mules); 18 (Cattle). -1785 VA Heads of families William Younger 7 white souls, 1 dwelling, 5 buildings (1)William(2)Patience(3)Rachel(4)Leah(5)Keziah(6)Elizabeth(7)Sarah -Signed Will: 27Dec1783, Halifax, Va, Usa; Probate: 15 Jul 1803, Halifax, Va, Usa. Will of William Younger, wife Patience, whole estate during her widowhood. At her death estate to be divided equally to his children: Rachel, Leah, Keziah, Betty, Sally. If any of them married, his widow could give them anything she liked. If she married, two thirds of the estate was to be taken from her and divided among the daughters named. Executors: Patience Younger and James Blackwell - granted probate in due form. Securities and bondsmen: Philemon Carlton and John Younger. Blackwell refused to serve. Philmon Carlton and John Younger appointed. [Halifax Co. WB 6, Pg.258.] {WHO WAS THIS JOHN YOUNGER?}Was he the son of Marcus? He was having ch there at this time. -1810 VA Essex County (167) William Younger 00010-30010-00 WHO IS HE? -1820 VA Halifax County, Maresville (065) Patience Younger NOT in the 1830 in VA. DID SHE die or remarry??? PART 2 About Marcus "Mark" Younger. Thomas Younger who married Anna Nash was deceased in 1749, but the following occurred: Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records Concerning 18th Century Persons, 7th Collection, Page 418: p.353. Deed. 10 Aug 1749. Wm Tutwell of So Farnham parish sells Thos Younger of Drisdale Parish, King and Queen Co, for L 30., 100 acres in So F. par. This land was purchased from said Younger by Timothy Driscoll and by him conveyed to Wm Tutwell, etc. WAS THIS PURCHASED from his father by Driscoll, conveyed to Tutwell and then sold to his son? This places this Thomas in K&Q in 1749. I believe the above mentioned Thomas was the son of Thomas and Anna, and that he was in turn the father of Marcus. I HAVE NO PROOF! Marcus Younger-Susannah children: 1. John m Lucy Hart -Will signed: 17 Oct 1817, Halifax County, Va, Usa. [Names wife, Lucy Hart Younger;sons Robert, Joel, Thomas to care for his mother.] -Probate: 27 Oct 1827, Halifax, Va, Usa. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 11, pg 50.] -Appraisement of Estate of Lucy Hart Younger: 15 Sep 1834, Alexander Younger, administrator. Crop of tobacco made in the year 1833, unsold, valued at $1250, and growing crop valued at $1250; 1 negroe man Clement, 1 John, 1 Lewis, 1 Hillard, 1 Washington, 1 boy Daniel, 1 girl Patsy, 1 girl America. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 17, pg 187-189, Vol. 17-18, 1834-1836] 2. Elizabeth m a Clark, sons Thomas and William 3. Mary m George Estes -Named, Mary Estes, in the Will of her father, Marcus Younger, 1815. -Witness to brother, John Younger's Will, 1817. -Named in the Will of her sister, Susannah Younger, 1831. 4. Susannah was unmarried. Signed her Will: 1831, Halifax, Va, Usa. [Names slaves Fanny and Harry, providing for them to buy their freedom with a sum of money to her heirs named in the Will; sister Mary Estes; nephew, Younger Wyatt and his wife Polly; witness Dolly Light.] -Settlement of Estate: 28 Aug 1833; Executors S. C. Jackson and Richard Cook; Payees, Lucy Younger, John Lamdrum, Rec'd Samuel Younger, Joel Younger, Thomas Younger and Daniel Mills, Sr. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 15, pg 422.] As for Marcus: SOURCE: All cut and pasted, so is "as found." -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records Concerning 18th Century Persons, 2d Collection, Page 192: [Names of persons rendering Revolutionary Service, Military and Non-Military, from King and Queen County, Virginia.] Younger, Mark -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records Concerning 18th Century Persons, 9th Collection, Page 517: Dated 11 Sep 1780. King and Queen Co. Rec'd from Mark Younger 1 gal, 2 qts and 1/2 pt brandy. L 39. 1. 3. Signed Rob' Hill c. [Revolutionary Services.] -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records Concerning 18th Century Persons, Page 147: King and Queen County. From Department of Archives, Virginia State Library, Richmond, Va. Land Book. King and Queen County. 1782-1799. "A list of the valuations of Land return'd June 1st 1782 by Peter Dudley and William Courtney Commissioners". Acres Land Younger, Marcus 94 a 1/6 7. 1. 0. 0. 1. 4. -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records Concerning 18th Century Persons, Page 148: Alterations of Land in King and Queen County for the year 1785. Original in the Department of Archives, Virginia State Library, Richmond, Virginia. Proprietors name Qt. Land of whom had Anthony Hart 190 Robert Hart " 94 Marcus Younger -Signed Will: 25 May 1805; Named his heirs and John Younger as his administrator. Markus Younger wrote a will on 25 May 1805 leaving his daughter Susannah 50 acres of land, named grandson James Wyatt, then his 4 children, namely John, Elizabeth Clark, Mary Estes and Susannah Younger. He appointed John as his executor. Witnesses: John Hannard, Armistead Bomar, Sally Hannard. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 10, pg 99.] -Probate: 25 Jan 1815; Marcus Younger's will was upheld in Court and proved by the oaths of the witnesses thereto presented and ordered to be recorded whereof on motion of John Younger, the executor, therein named who made oath then according to law certificate is granted him for obtaining probate thereof is due for he giveth security... [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk, pg 5.]

Younger Wyatt was the grandson of Marcus and is mentioned in his will. Marcus did not have a daughter named Leah. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > PART 1 If incorrect this is a good place to find out... :) > William Younger-Patience > children: > 1. Rachel "Polly" was unmarried > 2. Leah b 1772; m John Wyatt 1790, children Rachel and Younger. Goes to > Owen, IN, with dau Rachel. > 3. Keziah "Katy" "Kissiah" m John Ellis Bentley, 8 children (from Bible) > resided in Henderson, KY (more) > 4. Elizabeth "Betty" questionable. Did she m Boyd or Bomar? (more on the > Boyds) > 5. Sarah "Sally b 1773; m John Thomas 1793, boith dead bef 1850 Iredell, NC. > children? > > -1782 Halifax County, Virginia Personal Property Tax List > Younger, William 1(Tithes); 0 (Negroes); 2 (Horses); 0 (Mules); 18 (Cattle). > -1785 VA Heads of families > William Younger 7 white souls, 1 dwelling, 5 buildings > (1)William(2)Patience(3)Rachel(4)Leah(5)Keziah(6)Elizabeth(7)Sarah > -Signed Will: 27Dec1783, Halifax, Va, Usa; Probate: 15 Jul 1803, Halifax, > Va, Usa. > Will of William Younger, wife Patience, whole estate during her widowhood. > At her death estate to be divided equally to his children: Rachel, Leah, > Keziah, Betty, Sally. If any of them married, his widow could give them > anything she liked. If she married, two thirds of the estate was to be taken > from her and divided among the daughters named. Executors: Patience Younger > and James Blackwell - granted probate in due form. > Securities and bondsmen: Philemon Carlton and John Younger. Blackwell > refused to serve. Philmon Carlton and John Younger appointed. > [Halifax Co. WB 6, Pg.258.] > {WHO WAS THIS JOHN YOUNGER?}Was he the son of Marcus? He was having ch there > at this time. > > -1810 VA Essex County (167) > William Younger 00010-30010-00 WHO IS HE? > -1820 VA Halifax County, Maresville (065) > Patience Younger > NOT in the 1830 in VA. DID SHE die or remarry??? > > PART 2 > About Marcus "Mark" Younger. Thomas Younger who married Anna Nash was > deceased in 1749, but the following occurred: > Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records > Concerning 18th Century Persons, 7th Collection, Page 418: > p.353. Deed. 10 Aug 1749. Wm Tutwell of So Farnham parish sells Thos Younger > of Drisdale Parish, King and Queen Co, for L 30., 100 acres in So F. par. > This land was purchased from said Younger by Timothy Driscoll and by him > conveyed to Wm Tutwell, etc. > WAS THIS PURCHASED from his father by Driscoll, conveyed to Tutwell and then > sold to his son? This places this Thomas in K&Q in 1749. > > I believe the above mentioned Thomas was the son of Thomas and Anna, and > that he was in turn the father of Marcus. I HAVE NO PROOF! > Marcus Younger-Susannah > children: > 1. John m Lucy Hart > -Will signed: 17 Oct 1817, Halifax County, Va, Usa. [Names wife, Lucy > Hart Younger;sons Robert, Joel, Thomas to care for his mother.] > -Probate: 27 Oct 1827, Halifax, Va, Usa. > [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 11, pg 50.] > -Appraisement of Estate of Lucy Hart Younger: 15 Sep 1834, Alexander > Younger, administrator. Crop of tobacco made in the year 1833, unsold, > valued at $1250, and growing crop valued at $1250; 1 negroe man Clement, 1 > John, 1 Lewis, 1 Hillard, 1 Washington, 1 boy Daniel, 1 girl Patsy, 1 girl > America. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 17, pg 187-189, Vol. 17-18, > 1834-1836] > 2. Elizabeth m a Clark, sons Thomas and William > 3. Mary m George Estes > -Named, Mary Estes, in the Will of her father, Marcus Younger, 1815. > -Witness to brother, John Younger's Will, 1817. > -Named in the Will of her sister, Susannah Younger, 1831. > 4. Susannah was unmarried. > Signed her Will: 1831, Halifax, Va, Usa. [Names slaves Fanny and Harry, > providing for them to buy their freedom with a sum of money to her heirs > named in the Will; sister Mary Estes; nephew, Younger Wyatt and his wife > Polly; witness Dolly Light.] > -Settlement of Estate: 28 Aug 1833; Executors S. C. Jackson and Richard > Cook; Payees, Lucy Younger, John Lamdrum, Rec'd Samuel Younger, Joel > Younger, Thomas Younger and Daniel Mills, Sr. [Halifax County, Virginia Will > Book: Bk 15, pg 422.] > > As for Marcus: > SOURCE: All cut and pasted, so is "as found." > -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records > Concerning 18th Century Persons, 2d Collection, Page 192: [Names of persons > rendering Revolutionary Service, Military and Non-Military, from King and > Queen County, Virginia.] > Younger, Mark > -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records > Concerning 18th Century Persons, 9th Collection, Page 517: > Dated 11 Sep 1780. King and Queen Co. Rec'd from Mark Younger 1 gal, 2 qts > and 1/2 pt brandy. L 39. 1. 3. Signed Rob' Hill c. [Revolutionary > Services.] > -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records > Concerning 18th Century Persons, Page 147: King and Queen County. > From Department of Archives, Virginia State Library, Richmond, Va. Land > Book. King and Queen County. 1782-1799. "A list of the valuations of Land > return'd June 1st 1782 by Peter Dudley and William Courtney Commissioners". > Acres Land > Younger, Marcus 94 a 1/6 7. 1. 0. 0. 1. 4. > -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records > Concerning 18th Century Persons, Page 148: > Alterations of Land in King and Queen County for the year 1785. Original in > the Department of Archives, Virginia State Library, Richmond, Virginia. > Proprietors name Qt. Land of whom had > Anthony Hart 190 Robert Hart > " 94 Marcus Younger > -Signed Will: 25 May 1805; Named his heirs and John Younger as his > administrator. Markus Younger wrote a will on 25 May 1805 leaving his > daughter Susannah 50 acres of land, named grandson James Wyatt, then his 4 > children, namely John, Elizabeth Clark, Mary Estes and Susannah Younger. He > appointed John as his executor. Witnesses: John Hannard, Armistead Bomar, > Sally Hannard. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 10, pg 99.] > -Probate: 25 Jan 1815; Marcus Younger's will was upheld in Court and proved > by the oaths of the witnesses thereto presented and ordered to be recorded > whereof on motion of John Younger, the executor, therein named who made oath > then according to law certificate is granted him for obtaining probate > thereof is due for he giveth security... [Halifax County, Virginia Will > Book: Bk, pg 5.] > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > >

Younger Wyatt was not Leah's child we have concluded, and where did you come up with Sarah? ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > PART 1 If incorrect this is a good place to find out... :) > William Younger-Patience > children: > 1. Rachel "Polly" was unmarried > 2. Leah b 1772; m John Wyatt 1790, children Rachel and Younger. Goes to > Owen, IN, with dau Rachel. > 3. Keziah "Katy" "Kissiah" m John Ellis Bentley, 8 children (from Bible) > resided in Henderson, KY (more) > 4. Elizabeth "Betty" questionable. Did she m Boyd or Bomar? (more on the > Boyds) > 5. Sarah "Sally b 1773; m John Thomas 1793, boith dead bef 1850 Iredell, NC. > children? > > -1782 Halifax County, Virginia Personal Property Tax List > Younger, William 1(Tithes); 0 (Negroes); 2 (Horses); 0 (Mules); 18 (Cattle). > -1785 VA Heads of families > William Younger 7 white souls, 1 dwelling, 5 buildings > (1)William(2)Patience(3)Rachel(4)Leah(5)Keziah(6)Elizabeth(7)Sarah > -Signed Will: 27Dec1783, Halifax, Va, Usa; Probate: 15 Jul 1803, Halifax, > Va, Usa. > Will of William Younger, wife Patience, whole estate during her widowhood. > At her death estate to be divided equally to his children: Rachel, Leah, > Keziah, Betty, Sally. If any of them married, his widow could give them > anything she liked. If she married, two thirds of the estate was to be taken > from her and divided among the daughters named. Executors: Patience Younger > and James Blackwell - granted probate in due form. > Securities and bondsmen: Philemon Carlton and John Younger. Blackwell > refused to serve. Philmon Carlton and John Younger appointed. > [Halifax Co. WB 6, Pg.258.] > {WHO WAS THIS JOHN YOUNGER?}Was he the son of Marcus? He was having ch there > at this time. > > -1810 VA Essex County (167) > William Younger 00010-30010-00 WHO IS HE? > -1820 VA Halifax County, Maresville (065) > Patience Younger > NOT in the 1830 in VA. DID SHE die or remarry??? > > PART 2 > About Marcus "Mark" Younger. Thomas Younger who married Anna Nash was > deceased in 1749, but the following occurred: > Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records > Concerning 18th Century Persons, 7th Collection, Page 418: > p.353. Deed. 10 Aug 1749. Wm Tutwell of So Farnham parish sells Thos Younger > of Drisdale Parish, King and Queen Co, for L 30., 100 acres in So F. par. > This land was purchased from said Younger by Timothy Driscoll and by him > conveyed to Wm Tutwell, etc. > WAS THIS PURCHASED from his father by Driscoll, conveyed to Tutwell and then > sold to his son? This places this Thomas in K&Q in 1749. > > I believe the above mentioned Thomas was the son of Thomas and Anna, and > that he was in turn the father of Marcus. I HAVE NO PROOF! > Marcus Younger-Susannah > children: > 1. John m Lucy Hart > -Will signed: 17 Oct 1817, Halifax County, Va, Usa. [Names wife, Lucy > Hart Younger;sons Robert, Joel, Thomas to care for his mother.] > -Probate: 27 Oct 1827, Halifax, Va, Usa. > [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 11, pg 50.] > -Appraisement of Estate of Lucy Hart Younger: 15 Sep 1834, Alexander > Younger, administrator. Crop of tobacco made in the year 1833, unsold, > valued at $1250, and growing crop valued at $1250; 1 negroe man Clement, 1 > John, 1 Lewis, 1 Hillard, 1 Washington, 1 boy Daniel, 1 girl Patsy, 1 girl > America. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 17, pg 187-189, Vol. 17-18, > 1834-1836] > 2. Elizabeth m a Clark, sons Thomas and William > 3. Mary m George Estes > -Named, Mary Estes, in the Will of her father, Marcus Younger, 1815. > -Witness to brother, John Younger's Will, 1817. > -Named in the Will of her sister, Susannah Younger, 1831. > 4. Susannah was unmarried. > Signed her Will: 1831, Halifax, Va, Usa. [Names slaves Fanny and Harry, > providing for them to buy their freedom with a sum of money to her heirs > named in the Will; sister Mary Estes; nephew, Younger Wyatt and his wife > Polly; witness Dolly Light.] > -Settlement of Estate: 28 Aug 1833; Executors S. C. Jackson and Richard > Cook; Payees, Lucy Younger, John Lamdrum, Rec'd Samuel Younger, Joel > Younger, Thomas Younger and Daniel Mills, Sr. [Halifax County, Virginia Will > Book: Bk 15, pg 422.] > > As for Marcus: > SOURCE: All cut and pasted, so is "as found." > -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records > Concerning 18th Century Persons, 2d Collection, Page 192: [Names of persons > rendering Revolutionary Service, Military and Non-Military, from King and > Queen County, Virginia.] > Younger, Mark > -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records > Concerning 18th Century Persons, 9th Collection, Page 517: > Dated 11 Sep 1780. King and Queen Co. Rec'd from Mark Younger 1 gal, 2 qts > and 1/2 pt brandy. L 39. 1. 3. Signed Rob' Hill c. [Revolutionary > Services.] > -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records > Concerning 18th Century Persons, Page 147: King and Queen County. > From Department of Archives, Virginia State Library, Richmond, Va. Land > Book. King and Queen County. 1782-1799. "A list of the valuations of Land > return'd June 1st 1782 by Peter Dudley and William Courtney Commissioners". > Acres Land > Younger, Marcus 94 a 1/6 7. 1. 0. 0. 1. 4. > -Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, King and Queen County, Records > Concerning 18th Century Persons, Page 148: > Alterations of Land in King and Queen County for the year 1785. Original in > the Department of Archives, Virginia State Library, Richmond, Virginia. > Proprietors name Qt. Land of whom had > Anthony Hart 190 Robert Hart > " 94 Marcus Younger > -Signed Will: 25 May 1805; Named his heirs and John Younger as his > administrator. Markus Younger wrote a will on 25 May 1805 leaving his > daughter Susannah 50 acres of land, named grandson James Wyatt, then his 4 > children, namely John, Elizabeth Clark, Mary Estes and Susannah Younger. He > appointed John as his executor. Witnesses: John Hannard, Armistead Bomar, > Sally Hannard. [Halifax County, Virginia Will Book: Bk 10, pg 99.] > -Probate: 25 Jan 1815; Marcus Younger's will was upheld in Court and proved > by the oaths of the witnesses thereto presented and ordered to be recorded > whereof on motion of John Younger, the executor, therein named who made oath > then according to law certificate is granted him for obtaining probate > thereof is due for he giveth security... 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I do not think that Thomas married Sarah Ferguson. I think some other Younger did. If Thomas married Sarah Ferguson, why did he not name John and Sarah Younger as his children in his will as John Ferguson named them in his will as his grandchildren? ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 8:28 AM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > > > "We have both the William who married Patience unplaced as well as Marcus. > There must be a > > connection. What is it?" > > I also have a Manny Younger as bro of William Younger, son of Mary Northern. > Was this a typo for Marcus or a nickname? He was not in Thomas' Will either. > BUT if he did have children with Mary Northern bef 1750 and around 1730, > these children may have been provided for when their mother died and before > Thomas married Sarah Ferguson and started a new family??? Theory here... > > If nothing else, Williamson Younger is tied to Molly Watkins as his mother > through his wife's Will where she provides for her: "of same for Mrs. > Huddleston's lifetime..." > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

That was not Manny, it was either Nancy or Nanny...a female. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 8:28 AM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > > > "We have both the William who married Patience unplaced as well as Marcus. > There must be a > > connection. What is it?" > > I also have a Manny Younger as bro of William Younger, son of Mary Northern. > Was this a typo for Marcus or a nickname? He was not in Thomas' Will either. > BUT if he did have children with Mary Northern bef 1750 and around 1730, > these children may have been provided for when their mother died and before > Thomas married Sarah Ferguson and started a new family??? Theory here... > > If nothing else, Williamson Younger is tied to Molly Watkins as his mother > through his wife's Will where she provides for her: "of same for Mrs. > Huddleston's lifetime..." > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

Linda, That William provided meat for the Rev. soldiers. The Younger store is still in Halifax. I have a picture of it. We've known about him for a long time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JYG" <jyg@kc.rr.com> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] info > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Younger" <byounger@onemain.com> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 1:22 PM > Subject: [YOUNGER] info > > > > While browse'n in the library at Hohenwald, TN, I came accross the > following which may be of interest. Please note the Virginia Heads of > families lists 4 William Younger's and families. > > > William Younger, b Abt. 1740 d Bef. 7-15-1803 Virginia, m Patience > _________; Patriotic service Virginia. > > I sent a request to the online DAR lookup service for this record. It should > some via email in a couple of days. Cross your fingers... > > Linda in KC > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

I just reread this note and a thought struck me. If William and Patience had only daughters, that William's line would end there and he would have no descendants by the name of Younger. Isn't that a backward kind of evidence that the descendants you have been following into Tennessee and west are the descendants of the William (son of Thomas) who had male progeny? Jim & Brownie MacKie wrote: > Got on this list in the first place to concentrate on the difference > between the two Williams of Halifax. Would like for one of you to work > with me on this. I think it's necessary. Received a gedcom from a young > descendant this a.m. who has William married to "Patience Mary" and has > lumped all children together. There are several people who have done > this. But it's not accurate, and some of us claiming William, son of > Thomas, may be decidedly off base. One of the Williams had only daughters. > William may be son of noone in Halifax at all. Either that, or Thomas > named two sons William. I will be focusing on this problem for a while, so > if anybody wants to join in, please feel free to do so. > > Brownie > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

I have been cautioned to treat the printed word with skepticism. Just because something is in print does not necessarily make it true. I treat family group sheets with the same skepticism. You are wise to question what you read. Every day we are modifying and refining previous research and conclusions here on the List. We see it happening before our very eyes and it is good. No one should allow themselves to be "married" to a particular conclusion because just when we do, a new fact comes along and everything changes. That doesn't mean we shouldn't write or read the work of previous researchers. We just need to keep our inquiring minds. As to the relationship between Thomas and Marcus, I think we can be very clear that Marcus is not a son of Thomas. Let me explain why. We are lucky that in his will Thomas named all his children. Some folks say "the rest of my children" without naming them but in this case, all the children were named. We are even more fortunate that there were several settlements so that any child who had been entitled to an inheritance was specifically named. Thomas named: Daughters: Susannah, Mary Fretwell, Elizabeth Legrand, Nancy Smallman, Katey Brown Dolly, Lucy, Rebecca and Rachel Sons: Samuel, James, Joseph, Thomas,Jesse, William In the settlement Halifax County VA Minute Book 11:47, 48, 48B August Court 1842 We learn that Thomas and Mary were sister and brother of the "half blood". That is how we know that Thomas had married more than once. By this time Mary Fretwell had remarried and was now Mary Scudder. Had Marcus been even a child of the "half blood" he would have been named to get his pittance. It is the inclination of we hobbyists to want to "fill in" all the holes and if someone doesn't fit, we squeeze him in any way. That's what happened here - and with good intentions I might add. We all succumb to that in some degree. S. Younger wrote: > Since it has come up a time or two over the last couple of weeks, I assume > nearly everyone is familiar with the book "Armistead Younger (1811-1883) > Descendants in Stone County, Arkansas". This book was used as the basis of > some of my family's research, and I've noticed more than a couple of folks > cite it as a source. When I started my genealogy project, I had noticed > what appeared to be a few editorial mistakes, and set it aside – until I > received the last digest. So I quote pages 3-4 (with some formatting > changes): > > I. Alexander Younger, Immigrant, (father unknown), was born in Glasgow, > Scotland. He wrote his will in 1725 and died in 1727 Halifax Co. VA (Will > Book 5, page 152), md. Mary Mills who died 1719. > According to "Youngers, 1680's to 1980's", Alexander came to York Co. VA in > 1680's via Worcester, England. He then migrated along the Rappahannock > around Williamburg and Yorktown in Essex Co. VA. Before 1700, he married > Rebecca Mills, daughter of John and Sarah Mills of Essex Co. VA. Alexander > was a tobacco farmer near Rappahannock, VA. Children of Alexander and Mary > Mills Younger: > 1- Thomas Younger II, born c1700 VA, died 1749 (ancestor of the Youngers in > Stone Co. AR) > 2- John Younger was born 1702 > 3- Elizabeth Younger was born 1704 > 4- Suzanna Younger was born 1706 > 5- Mary Younger was born 1712 > 6- Anne Younger was born 1715 > 7- Janetta Younger was born 1717, md. 1737 to John Price > 8- James Younger was born 1720, md, Anna Nash (ancestor of Helen Turney > McMindes, Mabel Motes, Dreat Younger, and Youngers in Searcy Co. AR) > > II. Thomas Younger, (Alexander), born 1700 VA. First wife died c1749. > Children: > 1- Thomas Younger III was born in Essex Co. VA; died 1791 Halifax Co. VA. > 2- Mark Younger md. 1750 Sara Ferguson, dau of John and Sarah Ferguson of > Essex Co. VA (see his will in Essex Co. VA) > > III. Thomas Younger, (Alexander, Thomas), born Essex Co. VA; died c1791 in > Halifax Co. VA; wife unkown. Fifteen children: > Children: > 1- Sarah Younger md. Mr Estes > 2- James Younger > 3- Joseph Younger md. Sally Brown > 4- Thomas Younger > 5- Mary Younger md. Mr. Fretwell > 6- Jesse Younger md. Temperance Brown > 7- William Younger, born__; died 1801; md. Mary Mollie Watkins > 8- Elizabeth Younger md. John Legrand > 9- Nancy Younger md. Mr. Smallman > 10- Katy Younger md. Martin Brown > 11- Dolly Younger md. William Light > 12- Lucy Younger > 13- Rebecca Younger md. John Franklin > 14- Rachel Younger > 15- Samuel Younger > > So – > These pages raise a few questions for me: > 1- How many Thomases are there between William and Alexander, and can we > document it? > 2- What of the above matches the known documentation? > 3- Could the Mark Younger above, be the Marcus Younger who witnessed Thomas' > will? > In regard to this last question, it would certainly explain the relationship > between him and William. > > I know that many of us would rather not tear apart our family trees, but I > seem to be getting more and more baffled the longer I study this. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

"We have both the William who married Patience unplaced as well as Marcus. There must be a connection. What is it?" Someone be so kind as to list the children of William/Patience and the children of Marcus again? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Another Alexander; and John and Mary > > No, the scandalous Alexander is the one who immigrated in the 1600,s married > Mary Claw, a widow, and was caught defrauding her of her deceased husband's > property. He skipped town and no one has been able to find a paper trace of him > after that time. He, of course, does not fit the timing for the person who was > paying for schooling. And the Alexander who was married Rebecca Mills was dead > by 1727 so who is this other Alexander? Your guess is as good as any at this > point. We don't seem to have any other evidence about him -deeds, wills, etc. We > have only this one piece of evidence declaring his existence. Basically with my > exercise I was trying to demonstrate that there may be another unidentified > family head from whom some of the unplaced Youngers (such as the William who > married Patience) have descended. The location is right, the time is right. We > just don't have the cast of characters. Has anyone ever looked at early New Kent > VA (King and Queen County later) records? I haven't. If we haven't looked. how > do we know there is not something there for us? > > Marcus Younger from King and Queen County is hanging out there by himself also > yet we know there is a close link between him and Thomas Younger. We have both > the William who married Patience unplaced as well as Marcus. There must be a > connection. > What is it? > > It is so much easier to share a piece of documentation and let the documentation > speak for itself than to express an abstract thought yet sometimes I think we > need abstract thinking as well. It sometimes guides us in our searches. > > I have run across another question that I have never expressed. When Williamson > Younger died, his children were very young but there was an Armistead Younger > who became guardian of the children. Who in the world was he? Williamson's son > Armistead was not old enough to be guardian to his sisters and brothers so we > have another player who is over 21 and unidentified. > > As I said before, we are far from having enough facts to answer all our > questions. > > JYG wrote: > > > -YOUNGER, Alexander {Is this Wilma H's "scandalous Alexander"? and what > > was the scandal?} > > 1675/02/06 MCW witn/w John Parramore > > 1675/03/11 JUD2 > > 1675/04/01 ESMd immigrated > > key: > > MCW=Maryland Calendar of Wills, by Jane Baldwin Cotton. > > JUD2=Somerset Judicial Records, 9 Nov 1674-11 Sep 1677, Deed Liber L2. > > ESMd=Early Settlers of Maryland, by Gust Skordas. > > > > If this Alexander was witness to a Will in 1675 he was born before 1654 in > > order to be 21 years old or older at that time. My candidate is Alexander > > Younger, son of Alexander Younger-Margaret Steinson, husband of Jonat Gemmil > > and father of Alexander b 1664, Daniel b 1666 and Elizabeth b 1670 -all > > baptisms in Glasgow. > > > > Alexander Younger, son of Thomas Younger-Anna Smith was not born until 1681. > > > > --------------- > > A List of Servants Transported by Samuell Gibbons, master, of Bristoll in > > the Ship Batchelor of > > Bristoll 1674. > > John Younger > > Mary Younger > > John Stinson > > ----------------- > > Maryland > > Know all men by these presents that I Robert Ridgely of St. Mary's City for > > a valuable consideration already Recieved do ... > > (153) 1674 > > Lib. MM - ... Assign, Sell and make over unto his Excellency Charles > > Calvert all my right, Title and (607) Interest of, in and to twenty > > Rights to Land to me due by assignment from Samuell Gibbons of Bristoll, > > merchant, due the said Samuell for Transporting James Crawford, John > > Walker, Humphrey Tilton, Jeffery Thompson, Abraham Murphy, Cornelius > > Rowarke, William Bell, Wm Nowell, Robert Gibson, John Duglass, Patrick > > Magee, John Younger, John Lithcoe, Cornelius Mackmaicklin, Daniell > > Guordon, William Bullock, John Pearson, Daniell Macklegar, Manns > > Mahallan and Henry Magee into this province to Inhabit in the Ship > > Batchelor of Bristoll this present year as appears upon record. To > > have and to hold the Said twenty Rights to Land to him the Said Charles > > Calvert his heirs and assigns forever, Witness my hand and Seale this > > Sixth of november in the 43th year of the Dominion of Corcilius & Anno > > Domini 1674. > > Witnesses: John Blomfeild Robert Ridgely {Seale} > > Robert Ellis > > ------------------- > > Know all men by these presents that I Robert Ridgely of St. Mary's County > > do Assign, Sell and make over unto John Bosman of Somerset County all my > > right, Title and Interest of, in and to four hundred acres of Land rights > > to me due by assignment from Samuell Gibbons due the said Gibbons for > > Transporting Richard Odean, Mary Milihan, Richard Wilkeson, Eliz: Kirkwood, > > Jane Hambleton, Mary Younger, Jane Mullican, and Jane Watson into this > > province to Inhabit, To have and to hold the Said eight Rights to Land to > > him the Said John Bosman, his heirs and Assigns forever, Witness my hand > > and Seale this 6th of November 1674 > > Witnesses: John Blomfeild Robert Ridgely {Seale} > > Robert Ellis > > 6 November 1674 > > Rights 152, fod - Warrant Then Granted the Said John Bosman of Somerset > > County for four hundred acres of Land it being due to him by virtue of > > the consideration in the aforegoing Assignment - Certificate return the > > 6th of February next. > > > > Judging from entries from "The Bristol Registers of Servants sent to > > Foreign Plantations 1654-86" by Peter Wilson Coldham, the "Batchelor of > > Bristol" was clearly picking up passengers from Bristol, England in the > > 1670's. The voyage from Bristol, England to St. Mary's, Maryland would > > have taken the ship around the south of Ireland, passing the ports at > > Dublin, Wexford, Waterford and Cork, all and any of which would be natural > > emigration ports, especially for Catholics, who would wish to go to > > Maryland, rather than Virginia, which was chiefly Church of England. > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Deductive reasoning is sometimes called for in cases where all the facts are not available. I know that I, Stephen, and Bob are descended from William/Mary Watkins Younger, because the other William had only daughters. What I do not know is who our William's father was. Some say Thomas. Can we prove that? In that case, who is William/Patience's father? I have found many an ancestor using the naming practices of the period, so I'll share with you. Following are the Irish Scottish, German and Colonial Naming Practices: NAMING PATTERNS: Irish/ Scottish 1st son = was named after the father's father 2nd son = was named after the mother's father 3rd son = was named after the father 4 th son = was named after the father's oldest brother 5th son = father's 2nd oldest brother or mother's oldest brother 1st dau = was named after the mother's mother 2nd dau = was named after the father's mother 3rd dau = was named after the mother 4th dau = was named after the mother's oldest sister 5th dau = after the mother's 2nd oldest sister or father's oldest sister Old German The first name of each Daughter was usually the first name of the Mother The first name of the Son was usually the first name of the Father Often times the middle name of each child was the name of the baby's baptismal sponsor and they were usually called by his/her middle name English and Welsh 1700-1870 First Daughter was named after the Mother's Mother Second Daughter was named after the Mother's Father's Mother Third Daughter was named after the Mother Fourth Daughter was named after the Mother's oldest Sister First Son was named after the Father's Father Second Son was named after the Mother's Father. Third Son was named after the Father Fourth Son was named after the Father's oldest Brother Irish 1800's First Daughter was named after the Paternal Grandmother Second Daughter was named after the Maternal Grandmother First Son was named after the Paternal Grandfather Second Son was named after the Maternal Grandfather Then alternate names using the Grandmother's, Grandfather's, Mother's, Aunt's, and Uncle's names Scottish 1700 - 1800 and early Dutch First Daughter was named for her Maternal Grandmother Second Daughter was named for her Paternal Grandmother Third Daughter was named after her Mother Other Daughters were named after other Family Members First Son was named after his Paternal Grandfather (sometimes Maternal) Second Son was named after his Maternal Grandfather (sometimes Paternal) Third Son was named after his Father +++++++++ CHOOSING FORENAMES FOR CHILDREN NOT NAMED FOR PARENT OR GRANDPARENT [this is a partial, but if anybody wants the full article, I'll send it to you] Naming customs tend to restrict the number of forenames in use. In the three English parishes studied by Price and in the Rutmans' Virginia County, for instance, those parents who named their first child after a grandparent often named their second after themselves. The core pattern of naming boys put father's father first and then father; for girls, it was mother's mother and then mother. Similarly, in New England, of those naming their firstborn for one of their own parents, half or more went on to name the second for themselves. By contrast, only 15 to 20 percent of those New Englanders naming their first for themselves went on to name the second for their parents. The consequence of these opposing patterns was to limit the choice of forenames for second children far less often in New England than in old England and Virginia.(19) Restriction of choice was further compounded in Virginia by that region's much higher mortality rate for children - one out of two or three compared to one out of five or six in England and New England. Because the English and their American cousins tended to pass the forename of a deceased child on to the next infant of the same sex, parents in Virginia recycled the existing pool of forenames more often than the English and far more often than New Englanders. The long life expectancy for adults in New England allowed them to produce three times as many children per first marriage as Virginians did, greatly extending the opportunities for selecting names.(20) How did New England parents respond to their freedom of choice? In accord with their religiosity, they relied heavily on the Bible as a source for new forenames; however, they did not concentrate on a limited number of them. A small percentage of children from the whole bore the most popular names, but many other names were in circulation as well. Long ago, Stewart demonstrated the striking proportion of biblical names among native-born New England males, compared with the founders and the English in general. Reformed Protestantism throughout Europe placed great importance on reading the Bible, offering translations in the vernacular of the people. Since most New England families owned such copies, it is hardly surprising that they drew heavily on the Good Book for forenames, as Table 3 confirms.(21) Stewart's summary of "the factors which seem to have led to the popularity of a name in seventeenth-century New England" is worth restatement: Besides those already in popular English use, the names that parents chose were biblical and Hebrew, with a pious signification and no close Papist associations, especially if borne by an important person in the Bible "who was on the Lord's side." Smith's counts of names on the 1771 Massachusetts tax list shows the continuing popularity of biblical names even in the late colonial period, although the householders identified by them were born, and hence named, some decades earlier

Since it has come up a time or two over the last couple of weeks, I assume nearly everyone is familiar with the book "Armistead Younger (1811-1883) Descendants in Stone County, Arkansas". This book was used as the basis of some of my family's research, and I've noticed more than a couple of folks cite it as a source. When I started my genealogy project, I had noticed what appeared to be a few editorial mistakes, and set it aside – until I received the last digest. So I quote pages 3-4 (with some formatting changes): I. Alexander Younger, Immigrant, (father unknown), was born in Glasgow, Scotland. He wrote his will in 1725 and died in 1727 Halifax Co. VA (Will Book 5, page 152), md. Mary Mills who died 1719. According to "Youngers, 1680's to 1980's", Alexander came to York Co. VA in 1680's via Worcester, England. He then migrated along the Rappahannock around Williamburg and Yorktown in Essex Co. VA. Before 1700, he married Rebecca Mills, daughter of John and Sarah Mills of Essex Co. VA. Alexander was a tobacco farmer near Rappahannock, VA. Children of Alexander and Mary Mills Younger: 1- Thomas Younger II, born c1700 VA, died 1749 (ancestor of the Youngers in Stone Co. AR) 2- John Younger was born 1702 3- Elizabeth Younger was born 1704 4- Suzanna Younger was born 1706 5- Mary Younger was born 1712 6- Anne Younger was born 1715 7- Janetta Younger was born 1717, md. 1737 to John Price 8- James Younger was born 1720, md, Anna Nash (ancestor of Helen Turney McMindes, Mabel Motes, Dreat Younger, and Youngers in Searcy Co. AR) II. Thomas Younger, (Alexander), born 1700 VA. First wife died c1749. Children: 1- Thomas Younger III was born in Essex Co. VA; died 1791 Halifax Co. VA. 2- Mark Younger md. 1750 Sara Ferguson, dau of John and Sarah Ferguson of Essex Co. VA (see his will in Essex Co. VA) III. Thomas Younger, (Alexander, Thomas), born Essex Co. VA; died c1791 in Halifax Co. VA; wife unkown. Fifteen children: Children: 1- Sarah Younger md. Mr Estes 2- James Younger 3- Joseph Younger md. Sally Brown 4- Thomas Younger 5- Mary Younger md. Mr. Fretwell 6- Jesse Younger md. Temperance Brown 7- William Younger, born__; died 1801; md. Mary Mollie Watkins 8- Elizabeth Younger md. John Legrand 9- Nancy Younger md. Mr. Smallman 10- Katy Younger md. Martin Brown 11- Dolly Younger md. William Light 12- Lucy Younger 13- Rebecca Younger md. John Franklin 14- Rachel Younger 15- Samuel Younger So – These pages raise a few questions for me: 1- How many Thomases are there between William and Alexander, and can we document it? 2- What of the above matches the known documentation? 3- Could the Mark Younger above, be the Marcus Younger who witnessed Thomas' will? In regard to this last question, it would certainly explain the relationship between him and William. I know that many of us would rather not tear apart our family trees, but I seem to be getting more and more baffled the longer I study this. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

I never doubted that I descended from Mary Watkins and William Younger. My doubt was that I descended from Thomas. And my ongoing question is "which William was Thomas's son?" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] William/William 1781-85 Halifax County, VA > > I just reread this note and a thought struck me. If William and Patience had only > daughters, that William's line would end there and he would have no descendants by the > name of Younger. Isn't that a backward kind of evidence that the descendants you have > been following into Tennessee and west are the descendants of the William (son of > Thomas) who had male progeny? > > Jim & Brownie MacKie wrote: > > > Got on this list in the first place to concentrate on the difference > > between the two Williams of Halifax. Would like for one of you to work > > with me on this. I think it's necessary. Received a gedcom from a young > > descendant this a.m. who has William married to "Patience Mary" and has > > lumped all children together. There are several people who have done > > this. But it's not accurate, and some of us claiming William, son of > > Thomas, may be decidedly off base. One of the Williams had only daughters. > > William may be son of noone in Halifax at all. Either that, or Thomas > > named two sons William. I will be focusing on this problem for a while, so > > if anybody wants to join in, please feel free to do so. > > > > Brownie > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > If anyone knows what would make a good line for this area. Don't hesitate to e-mail > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

No, the scandalous Alexander is the one who immigrated in the 1600,s married Mary Claw, a widow, and was caught defrauding her of her deceased husband's property. He skipped town and no one has been able to find a paper trace of him after that time. He, of course, does not fit the timing for the person who was paying for schooling. And the Alexander who was married Rebecca Mills was dead by 1727 so who is this other Alexander? Your guess is as good as any at this point. We don't seem to have any other evidence about him -deeds, wills, etc. We have only this one piece of evidence declaring his existence. Basically with my exercise I was trying to demonstrate that there may be another unidentified family head from whom some of the unplaced Youngers (such as the William who married Patience) have descended. The location is right, the time is right. We just don't have the cast of characters. Has anyone ever looked at early New Kent VA (King and Queen County later) records? I haven't. If we haven't looked. how do we know there is not something there for us? Marcus Younger from King and Queen County is hanging out there by himself also yet we know there is a close link between him and Thomas Younger. We have both the William who married Patience unplaced as well as Marcus. There must be a connection. What is it? It is so much easier to share a piece of documentation and let the documentation speak for itself than to express an abstract thought yet sometimes I think we need abstract thinking as well. It sometimes guides us in our searches. I have run across another question that I have never expressed. When Williamson Younger died, his children were very young but there was an Armistead Younger who became guardian of the children. Who in the world was he? Williamson's son Armistead was not old enough to be guardian to his sisters and brothers so we have another player who is over 21 and unidentified. As I said before, we are far from having enough facts to answer all our questions. JYG wrote: > -YOUNGER, Alexander {Is this Wilma H's "scandalous Alexander"? and what > was the scandal?} > 1675/02/06 MCW witn/w John Parramore > 1675/03/11 JUD2 > 1675/04/01 ESMd immigrated > key: > MCW=Maryland Calendar of Wills, by Jane Baldwin Cotton. > JUD2=Somerset Judicial Records, 9 Nov 1674-11 Sep 1677, Deed Liber L2. > ESMd=Early Settlers of Maryland, by Gust Skordas. > > If this Alexander was witness to a Will in 1675 he was born before 1654 in > order to be 21 years old or older at that time. My candidate is Alexander > Younger, son of Alexander Younger-Margaret Steinson, husband of Jonat Gemmil > and father of Alexander b 1664, Daniel b 1666 and Elizabeth b 1670 -all > baptisms in Glasgow. > > Alexander Younger, son of Thomas Younger-Anna Smith was not born until 1681. > > --------------- > A List of Servants Transported by Samuell Gibbons, master, of Bristoll in > the Ship Batchelor of > Bristoll 1674. > John Younger > Mary Younger > John Stinson > ----------------- > Maryland > Know all men by these presents that I Robert Ridgely of St. Mary's City for > a valuable consideration already Recieved do ... > (153) 1674 > Lib. MM - ... Assign, Sell and make over unto his Excellency Charles > Calvert all my right, Title and (607) Interest of, in and to twenty > Rights to Land to me due by assignment from Samuell Gibbons of Bristoll, > merchant, due the said Samuell for Transporting James Crawford, John > Walker, Humphrey Tilton, Jeffery Thompson, Abraham Murphy, Cornelius > Rowarke, William Bell, Wm Nowell, Robert Gibson, John Duglass, Patrick > Magee, John Younger, John Lithcoe, Cornelius Mackmaicklin, Daniell > Guordon, William Bullock, John Pearson, Daniell Macklegar, Manns > Mahallan and Henry Magee into this province to Inhabit in the Ship > Batchelor of Bristoll this present year as appears upon record. To > have and to hold the Said twenty Rights to Land to him the Said Charles > Calvert his heirs and assigns forever, Witness my hand and Seale this > Sixth of november in the 43th year of the Dominion of Corcilius & Anno > Domini 1674. > Witnesses: John Blomfeild Robert Ridgely {Seale} > Robert Ellis > ------------------- > Know all men by these presents that I Robert Ridgely of St. Mary's County > do Assign, Sell and make over unto John Bosman of Somerset County all my > right, Title and Interest of, in and to four hundred acres of Land rights > to me due by assignment from Samuell Gibbons due the said Gibbons for > Transporting Richard Odean, Mary Milihan, Richard Wilkeson, Eliz: Kirkwood, > Jane Hambleton, Mary Younger, Jane Mullican, and Jane Watson into this > province to Inhabit, To have and to hold the Said eight Rights to Land to > him the Said John Bosman, his heirs and Assigns forever, Witness my hand > and Seale this 6th of November 1674 > Witnesses: John Blomfeild Robert Ridgely {Seale} > Robert Ellis > 6 November 1674 > Rights 152, fod - Warrant Then Granted the Said John Bosman of Somerset > County for four hundred acres of Land it being due to him by virtue of > the consideration in the aforegoing Assignment - Certificate return the > 6th of February next. > > Judging from entries from "The Bristol Registers of Servants sent to > Foreign Plantations 1654-86" by Peter Wilson Coldham, the "Batchelor of > Bristol" was clearly picking up passengers from Bristol, England in the > 1670's. The voyage from Bristol, England to St. Mary's, Maryland would > have taken the ship around the south of Ireland, passing the ports at > Dublin, Wexford, Waterford and Cork, all and any of which would be natural > emigration ports, especially for Catholics, who would wish to go to > Maryland, rather than Virginia, which was chiefly Church of England. > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > As we get older, we find out we are YOUNGER (Submitted by Karen Yerby) > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

That must have been an earlier research because by the time it got to me, she placed William/Mary Watkins in Thomas' family. That's probably not an unusual occurrence. We all make changes as new and different components of research come to us. I'll try to find the time to ferret out the court records that would attach William/Mary Watkins to Thomas. If it doesn't storm again today I'm going out of town for a bit but no doubt I will get back to the List shortly Brownie MacKie wrote: > Margarette Hutchins did this research, and in her report placed Thomas's son > William with Patience. So it had to be the William in the will. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <hillman@one.net> > To: <YOUNGER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] William/William > > > > > What verbage in the will of Thomas made you think Thomas was referring to > the William who married Patience? > > > > Brownie MacKie wrote: > > > > > The William, who married Patience[surname?], who received Thomas's > > > carpenter's tools in Thomas's will, is the only "documented" son of > Thomas. > > > And Thomas named only one William in his will. > > > > > > So... > > > where did William, who married Mary Watkins come from, and who were his > > > parents? > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto > www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me > know.) > > > > > > ============================== > > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > > your heritage! > > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto > www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me > know.) > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > ==== YOUNGER Mailing List ==== > For a place To Store and show pictures of your ancesters, goto www.ancientfaces.com (If anyone has a problem with this little ad, let me know.) > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library