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writeHeaderFP(); Family Finder: THE LOST CHILD OF RICHARD LEE OF DITCHLEY Re: Lucy Lee who married Baldwin Matthews Smith By Mrs. Merillat Moses* One problem which has confused genealogists for almost half a century is the question of the progeny of Richard Lee of "Ditchley," Northumberland County, Virginia. Mr. Cazanove Lee, late Historian and Genealogist of the Society of the Lees of Virginia, was most concerned with this matter and earnestly attempted to find the seventh, and last, child of Richard Lee. In a letter dated December 22, 19401, Mr. Lee discussed this problem and wrote, "This has left an open door for future trouble-makers, and they have been legion." However, despite many claimants for this place on the Lee Family Tree, the identity of the "lost child" was not discovered during his lifetime. In 1952, the Society of the Lees of Virginia, whose lineage is based upon descent from Richard the Immigrant, grandfather of Richard of Ditchley, accepted, on exceedingly thin evidence, one Stephen Lee, as the seventh child. After much personal research on this subject, it is the objective of this paper to prove the impossibility of Stephen Lee being the seventh and to show that this child was in fact a daughter, specifically one Lucy Lee. This problem of identity arose from the fact that Richard Lee died at an early age (about forty-four years); and, having married rather late in life for those days (about twenty-nine years of age), he left a family of minor children under the care of his wife, Judith Lee. Mrs. Judith Lee has been accepted as the daughter of John Steptoe and his wife Elizabeth Eustace2, widow of John eustace of Northumberland County3 whose will was recorded in that county on April 15, 1702; hence, Judith (Steptoe) Lee must have been born after that time. Richard Lee was undoubtedly an outstanding young man. When he was only twenty-three years of age, he was a Justice - and first of the "Quorum" in 1714; so that he must have been commissioned for several years previous to that date. His exact birthdate is given in his father's Will, as August 18, 1691.4 Also, he was Clerk of the Court of Northumberland County from 1716 to 1735.5 He was a -2- respected and active civil servant, acting in the established pattern of the Lee Family. He was the eldest surviving child of Hancock Lee by his first wife, Mary Kendall of Northhampton County, and he had the care and supervision of several younger brothers and sisters by his father's second marriage to Sarah Allerton. Now the date of Richard Lee's death usually has been believed to be 1740, as stated in Lee of Virginia, on page 534. However, there was at one time a Will (since lost) of Richard Lee; for it was presented in court by William Eustace, Gent., one of the executors, on May 21, 1735,6 five years prior to 1740. Thomas Gaskins, who married dau. Ann c 1768, Thomas Waddy, Thomas Winter and Roger Winter, or any three of them were appointed to appraise the estate. At the same court session an "Account of Richard Lee for building a warehouse at Indian Creek" was read and allowed. It would, therefore, seem apparent that his death was sudden and unexpected. However, Mr. William Eustace died7 before he could complete the settlement of the estate of Richard Lee, and next we find Mrs. Judith Lee, on June 9th, 1740, "Appointed for administration of the estate of Richard Lee, deceased (not yet administered by William Eustace, deceased) who was executor under the Will."8 Additional proof of Mr. William Eustace acting as Richard Lee's Executor is to be found in the Northumberland County Records, September 11, 1738, i.e., "200 Acres from William Eustace, Executor of Richard Lee, to Francis Timberlake (land described as being part of tract Christopher Carlington, deceased, sold to Hancock Lee, Gent., deceased, and which was devised to his son Richard Lee, deceased)."9 Also in the records there is listed an "Inventory of Estate of Richard Lee, deceased, Mrs. Judith Lee, Administratrix." It includes, "A large estate. 19 Negroes, 2 servants, Table Linen, Pewter, Bedding, Furniture, China, 72 Head of Cattle, 65 Sheep, 15 Calves, 60 Hogs, 2 Mares, 2 Horses, etc." This inventory is dated July 14, 1740, just two months before the first division of the estate.10 On September 8, 1740, Mrs. Judith Lee received one-third of the estate of her deceased husband, Richard Lee. It consisted of two-hundred ninety-nine pounds and six negroes. At the same time Major Peter Conway received his wife's share of "her father's estate." and the court record specifically states that it was -3- one-seventh of the remaining two-thirds of the estate.11 This is the first indication, and a rather firm one, that there were seven children left by Richard Lee of Ditchley, and that Major Conway married one of the daughters before September 1740. She was Elizabeth Lee and was probably the eldest of Richard Lee's children.12 Let us now briefly cover the other known children of Richard and Judith Lee. In December, 1741, another division of the estate of Richard Lee occurs, when there is paid "to Mr. Charles Lee, his wife's filial part of her father's estate."13 This daughter is Mary Lee, and we find the marriage listed in a compilation of License Fees of Northumberland County which is published in the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, volume 47, page 41, reading, "Charles Lee and Mary Lee - 1741." Another daughter was Judith Lee14 who was known to have married one David Galloway, Senior, a Scots merchant of Northumberland County. Then, of course, there is not doubt about another daughter, Lettice Lee, who married Colonel James Ball, Jr.; for her tombstone at St. Mary's White Chapel, Lancaster County, is thus inscribed: "In memory of Lettice Lee, 3rd wife if Colonel James Ball, daughter of Richard Lee of Ditchley. "Died the 17th of November, 1811, in the 80th year of her age." According to Lee of Virginia she was married about 1753. A fifth daughter Anne Lee, was married to George Kerr, also a Scots merchant who was closely associated with David Galloway who married her sister Judith Lee, before November 11, 1751; for on that date "Subscribers met and possessed George Kerr with his wife's filial part of her father's estate (Richard Lee)."15 Kendall Lee, heir to all of Richard Lee's lands, claimed his inheritance on December 11, 1740.16 He was most likely twenty-one years of age at this date, making him born about 1728. One of the Commissioners who possessed him of his estate was Baldwin Matthews Smith. Kendall Lee was married on July 9, 1749 to Betty Heale, daughter of Priscilla Chinn. Thomas Edwards, Jr., was security.17 -4- Before proceeding to Lucy Lee, let me first disprove and dispose of Stephen Lee. The proponents of Stephen Lee being the seventh child readily admit that said Stephen Lee emigrated from Prince William County, Virginia, to Kentucky, where he died. There is proof of this fact. In the Kentucky Genealogist, Volume 2, (1734-1803) pages 7 and 92, are listed "Claims filed in Public Record Office, London, England" which deal with the information about American colonists who dealt with loyalist merchants prior to the American Revolution. There is a Notation here as follows: "Stephen Lee of Prince William, debt due 1774 L.0.10.0. He removed to Kentucky ten years ago; the(n) solvent. Enquire of Colin Campbell. Page 243."18 Stephen Lee had removed to Kentucky in 1789, taking several of his sons and daughters with him. He had resided in Prince William County, Virginia, for about thirty of forty years prior to going to Kentucky, and he and four of his sons appear in the Census Record (Tax List) for Prince William County for the period covering 1782-1787. There is no doubt as to the fact that Stephen Lee who wrote his Will in Mason County, kentucky, which was proved on June 20, 179119 was the Stephen Lee of Prince William County, Virginia. The first appearance of Stephen Lee in Virginia is when he voted for Thomas Ludwell Lee in Stafford County in 1755-56.20 Next we find him buying land in Fairfax County from Robert Carter on October 16, 1755.21 Also, he purchased 204 Acres of land from Thomas Harrison on March 5, 1776.22 I cite these transactions to point out that Stephen Lee did not live on inherited land, as he would have had he been a scion of the Ditchley family, but that he came to Virginia and bought his land. The tombstone of Stephen Lee, located at "Leewood", near Maysville, Kentucky, has an inscription giving his date of death as 1791 and his age as either 81 or 84, depending upon the interpretation of the second figure (the first figure "8" being very clear).23 This death date is also attested by the proving of his Will in 1791. This would make Stephen Lee born around 1710 - much too earley to be the son of Richard of Ditchley. Accordingly, he would have been a man of about forty-five years when his record first appears in Prince William County. Where was he prior to 1755? -5- There is positive proof as to his whereabouts. His daughter Priscilla Lee married William Botts of Stafford County, Virginia. This gentleman wrote in his Prayer Book - "William Botts and Priscilla Lee were married November ye 9th 1769." His daughter, Elizabeth (Botts) Shackleford made another entry in the Prayer Book concerning her father: "married Miss Priscilla Lee of Prince Georges County, Maryland." This definitely indicates that Stephen Lee's daughter, Priscilla, was born in Prince Georges County, Maryland. Her sister, Lucy Lee, married Moses Bridwell in Stafford County in 1758.24 Another daughter, Nancy, married a Mountjoy of Stafford County, and a forth daughter, Ann, remained single. This would indicate that the daughters removed with Stephen Lee from Prince Georges County, maryland, to Prince William County, Virginia. Thus, we see Stephen Lee living in Prince Georges County, Maryland, at least at the time of the birth of his daughters. It is possible to pick up the threads of his life there as early as 1740,25 when he was first bonded as an adult, and carry them forward for another seven years, but that, and the matter of his actual parentage does not properly belong in this paper. They are, however, under current research. The point is that Stephen Lee never inherited land in Virginia and was never identified with the two counties wherein the Richard Lee of Ditchley family lived, Namely, Northumberland and Lancaster Counties, Virginia. This position is further strengthened by the fact that Kendall Lee requested, in November, 1766 and"Act of the Assembly to dock the entail of certain lands whereof Kendall Lee is seized, and for settling other lands and slaves to the same use."26 This land comprised 2,050 Acres in Northampton County, Virginia; 50 Acres in Northumberland County; and 904 Acres in Northumberland County, and 235 Acres in Loudoun County. It was all of the land which had been willed to Kendall Lee by his father, Richard Lee. No other land remained for another son. It is highly unlikely that Richard Lee would have neglected to provide for another younger, minor son. Also, Kendall Lee was born about 1728; a younger brother (if existing) could not possibly have been old enough to have appeared in the records of Prince Georges County, maryland, at the date upon which the said Stephen Lee was bonded in 1740. His age is definitely too old to have been a son of Richard Lee of Ditchley. And thus I rest the case of Stephen Lee. -6- Add to the above facts the most unusual fact that Stephen Lee did not give one of his sons a name traditional in the Lee of Westmoreland Family. His sons were named Lewis, Stephen, Jr., Edward, Henry, and Peter. Not a Richard, John, Fran(k), Thomas, William or Philip appear in the lot! Thus I rest the case of Stephen Lee. I believe that I have disposed of the possibility of Stephen Lee being a son of Richard Lee of Ditchley, and the seventh child of that gentleman. Let me pass on to my candidate, Lucy Lee, for the place of last and seventh child of Richard and Judith Lee of Ditchley! After Richard Lee died in 1735 his widow remained in that status until 1749, when she undertook a "Marriage Agreement with one Samuel Peachey, Gent.". dated February 16, 1749/40(50).27 This document was proved by "Jno. Leland, Kendall Lee and Lucy Lee, witnesses." Captain Samuel Peachey came of an outstanding family of Richmond County and had previously been the husband of Winifred Griffin, who was the mother of all his children except one, Elizabeth, she being the product of his first marriage to Katherine McCarty, daughter of Captain Daniel McCarty (Westmoreland Deeds and Wills, No. 7, folios 256-261, dated November 9, 1721). In "Richmond County Marriages (1668-1852)" by Mr. George N.S. King, published in 1964, the author gives some corrections concerning the various marriages of Captain Samuel Peachey, going on to state on page 144 of his book that Captain Samuel Peachey married thirdly "Judith Lee, widow of Richard Lee, Gent. (1691-1735) of Northumberland County, both of whom died testate there, but only the Will of Mrs. Peachey remains on record." Mr. King gives the nearest death date for Captain Peachey as October 2, 1750. Now I wish to call attention to the Marriage Agreement of Judith Lee and Captain Samuel Peachey of 1749. The two witnesses of this document with whom we are most concerned were her son Kendall Lee, with whom she was undoubtedly living, and one Lucy Lee. Now the Lees were extraordinarily fond of having their own family members as witnesses to family documents. Add to this, the fact that Lucy Lee, as an unmarried daughter, would be at home with her mother. This first appearance of a Lucy Lee, with Judith Lee's son Kendall, makes one wonder, as this was a most personal document. -7- Then again, the Will of Judith Peachey, dated December 17, 1754 and proved on February 10, 1755, is of great interest. "Debts to be paid. Rest of estate to be equally divided between children. Mr. Samuel Blackwell and my son Kendall, Ex. Witnesses: Betty Conway, Kendall Lee, Lucy Smith and Ann Kerr." Of these four witnesses, three have been proven to be children of Judith Lee Peachey. It is my conclusion that she would not have called upon a fourth person, who was not a member of the family, to witness such a personal document as her last Will, in as much as she already had three witnesses who were her children. It is my belief that this Lucy Smith is the same person who witnesses her mother's Marriage Agreement to Captain Samuel Peachey as "Lucy Lee." In the space if time between 1749 and 1754, she had married a Smith. She is undoubtedly the seventh and last child. At this point it should be stated that all this controversy over the "lost child" would not probably have arisen, if there were not a "gap" in the marriage records of the county of Northumberland. These marriage records are published in volume 47 of the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, page 41, as a compilation of the "Clerk's Fees for Licenses Issued." I have personally examined these Fee Books for the period involved and find there is, in truth, a gap from "Joseph Blackwell and Lucy Steptoe, January 1745" to the next entry of "Henry Berry and Winifred Haynie, March, 1756." This gap includes the dates of marriage of several of Richard Lee's daughters, including the marriage of Lucy Lee, which occurred between 1749 and 1755. I have found still another case of Lucy Lee appearing, with members of her Lee family, in the records of Northumberland County. In the Will of Cuthbert Spann,29 proved November 12, 1753, one finds: "to my friend Mr. Peter Conway", and the witnesses to the codicil dated May 26, 1750 are Abraham *ivision, Anne Lee, Lucy Lee, and Edwin Conway. The Spanns and the Conways and the Lees were neighbors and friends, often inter-marrying. Mr. Peter Conway was the husband of the sister (Elizabeth) of Anne and Lucy Lee. At this date, 1750, both Anne and Lucy Lee were unmarried. Additional research leads me to conclude that Lucy Lee married Baldwin Matthews Smith, son of Philip Smith of "Fleet's Bay", Northumberland County. This Smith family, -8- both Philip the father and Baldwin Matthews the son, were closely associated with both Richard and Kendall Lee, servining together as securities, commissioners, etc. There is no record of the marriage of Lucy Lee to Baldwin Matthews Smith, as the date of said marriage would fall within the period of Clerk's License Fees for which there is no record. However, in searching for the marriage in surrounding counties, I found the marriage of "William Montague and Lucy Smith, relict of Baldwin Smith. Sec. Jas. Selden. Witnesses Hugh Walker, John Montague. "dated the eleventh of December, 1772. This Baldwin Matthews Smith did not leave a Will, but there is listed an Administration of Estate for him on page 272 of Section of Northumberland Order Book for 1758-1762. The estate was administered by John Smith, his son, and the date is June 8, 1761. Also, in Abstracts of Lancaster County, Virginia Wills (1653-1800) by Ida J. Lee, on page 203 of same one notes the name of Baldwin Matthews Smith. "Division of Negroes" is recorded January 20, 1764. This names "to Mrs. Lucy Smith, widow," "Colonel John Lee for Mary and Frances' part". " Mrs. Smith for Judith and Mildred's part." "Mr. George Heale for Burgess' part", and Mr. John Smith for Philip Smith's part."31 It is believed that Baldwin Mathews Smith and his wife, Lucy, were living in Lancaster County at the time of his death. Their home was "Smithfield", formerly Menaskin, owned by David Fox and called the "River Plantation." I would like to digress a little at this point to give a resume of the Smith Family. Baldwin Matthews Smith was the son of Philip Smith, as previously stated. The latter was the son of Captain John Smith of Purton who married Mary Matthews on February 9, 1711. She was the daughter of Baldwin Matthews, Justice of the Peace for York County, and great-grandson to Govenor Samuel Matthews. Baldwin Matthews Smith first married Fanny Burgess32 daughter of Charles Burgess and had sons John, Philip and Burgess, and possibly Edward.33 Then, in 1775, under Baldwin Matthews Smith, in Lancaster County, one finds another division of negroes, dated November 16, 1775 and recorded December 21, 1775, "to the Rev. John Leland, Jr., in right of his wife (Judith Smith) and Mildred Smith, -9- orphans of Baldwin Matthews Smith, by Thomas B. Griffin, Richard Ball, James W. Ball."34 The Rev. John Leland, Jr., married, on October 19, 1775, Judith Smith, daughter of Baldwin Matthews Smith and his wife Lucy.35 His father, John Leland, had been an executer to the Will of Judith (Lee) Peachey, together with her son, Kendall. The Will of John Leland, Jr.,36 was recorded in Lancaster County on June 15, 1799, and names wife Judith; sons John Lee Leland, Leroy Peachey Leland, and Baldwin Leland. The eldest son carried his grandmother's maiden name. The other Smith orphan, Mildred, married LeRoy Peachey of Richmond County, and is said to have left no issue. This relationship is verified in a Deed written in 1785 in Lancaster County.37 Now Lucy Lee and her husband Baldwin Matthews Smith were living in Lancaster County at the time of his death. She obviously continued to reside there. She marr(ied) Captain William Montague in Lancaster County on December 11, 1772.38 The securities and witnesses were James Selden, Hugh Walker, and John Montague, and she was described as "Lucy Smith, widow." She had only one child by William Montague. William. The Will of Captain William Montague was recorded October 21, 1794.39 It names wife Lucy; sons Thomas (Dragon Plantation), William and John; daughters Hannah and Frances Montague (by his first marriage); "Da ughter-in-law Judith Leland and Mildred Smith, sister of son William Montague;" "Godson Baldwin Matthews Leland." Ex.: Dr. William Ball, John Montague. Wits: John Leland. There is a fine genealogy of the Montague Family entitled. "Montague Genealogy" (Peter of Nansemond andLancaster Counties, Virginia) by C.W. Montague, 1894. It has a resume of Captain William Montague, son of William, born about 1728, who married first Hannah Ballendine of Lancaster and second widow mary Lucy Smith, "whose maiden name was Lucy Lee, descendants say she was a relative of Light Horse Harry Lee." He goes on to say that one of her descendants has a "Memorial Ring" with the letters "L.M." upon the side of which is engraved "died March 30, 1806, aged about 71 years." This would make Lucy Lee Smith Montague born in 1735, the last year of her father's life; undoubtedly she was his seventh and last child! Grace M. Moses To Notes &Bibliography The Seven Children of Richard Lee of Ditchley

Dear Judy, I'm not a nit picker either but the name John is quite common among the Lees. I think what you might explore is "which John Lee is the one who married Catherine Montague". It will not be an easy task because the Lees were prolific and John seems to be a favorite name for them and therefore rather common. I suspect it might be worth it to you. Since your lineage came to you undocumented you might find out even more about the family if you are interested. As you see from the previous message, there is documentation which defines the John Lee who married Elizabeth Thompson. If we could connect the John Lee (married Elizabeth Thompson) to the Robert E Lee family, the descendants of Sarah Younger (daughter of Henry and Ruth Gatch) could claim a relationship to the famous Civil War General but, alack and alas, no such evidence has been forthcoming to this date. I know you are a careful and avid researcher. Who knows what you might reveal to all of us? Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: [YOUNGER] John Lee > Wilma Hillman, I dug out the family tree of Mary Agatha's and I'm a > chicken pecker when it comes to typing, but this is what it says. I'm not > saying it's exact. It's not my work. This is Descendants of Peter > Montigue. > > > 1. Peter Montigue Abt. 1634-1682-1683 m. Elizabeth Morris or Merry > 2nd wife of Peter Montigue m Mary Doodes 1642-Abt. 1682 > > 2. Elizabeth Montigue > 2. Ann Montigue m. John Jadlyn > 2. William Montigue > 2. Catherine/Katherine Montague Abt. 1678-1743 m. John Lee > 2nd husband of Catherine m. George Twyman I Abt. 1661-Bef. > 1701/02 > > 3. Elizabeth Twyman 1670-1715 > 3. George Twyman II 1698-1733/1734 m. Agatha > Buford1705-Abt. 1785 > > 4.Elizabeth Twyman 1726-1727 > 4.William Twyman, Sr. 1727-1811 m. Winifred Cowherd > Abt. 1729 > 2nd. wife of William Twyman, Sr. m. Ann Smith(no > Children) > 4. Catherine Montigue Twyman 1729-Abt.1810 m. Unkown > Dillard > > 4. George Twyman III 1731-1818 m. Mary Walker > 1733/1734-1811 > 5. Agatha Twyman 1755- Bef. 1843 m. Robert > Dearing (1753-1822) > 6.Simeon Dearing m. Barbra Caplinger > 6.Walker Dearing m. Sallie A. McClean > 6 Mary Agatha Dearing 1779-Abt. 1852 m. John W. > Younger > 6. Susanna Dearing m. John Foster > More....But this is as far as I'm typing, Wilma. > I'll send it to you. There is a John Lee, in here. Doesn't look like he > added any offspring to the group. Like I said can't say how accurate this > is. And I don't know if he is in the same family as Robert E. Lee's > family. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wilma Hillman, I dug out the family tree of Mary Agatha's and I'm a chicken pecker when it comes to typing, but this is what it says. I'm not saying it's exact. It's not my work. This is Descendants of Peter Montigue. 1. Peter Montigue Abt. 1634-1682-1683 m. Elizabeth Morris or Merry 2nd wife of Peter Montigue m Mary Doodes 1642-Abt. 1682 2. Elizabeth Montigue 2. Ann Montigue m. John Jadlyn 2. William Montigue 2. Catherine/Katherine Montague Abt. 1678-1743 m. John Lee 2nd husband of Catherine m. George Twyman I Abt. 1661-Bef. 1701/02 3. Elizabeth Twyman 1670-1715 3. George Twyman II 1698-1733/1734 m. Agatha Buford1705-Abt. 1785 4.Elizabeth Twyman 1726-1727 4.William Twyman, Sr. 1727-1811 m. Winifred Cowherd Abt. 1729 2nd. wife of William Twyman, Sr. m. Ann Smith(no Children) 4. Catherine Montigue Twyman 1729-Abt.1810 m. Unkown Dillard 4. George Twyman III 1731-1818 m. Mary Walker 1733/1734-1811 5. Agatha Twyman 1755- Bef. 1843 m. Robert Dearing (1753-1822) 6.Simeon Dearing m. Barbra Caplinger 6.Walker Dearing m. Sallie A. McClean 6 Mary Agatha Dearing 1779-Abt. 1852 m. John W. Younger 6. Susanna Dearing m. John Foster More....But this is as far as I'm typing, Wilma. I'll send it to you. There is a John Lee, in here. Doesn't look like he added any offspring to the group. Like I said can't say how accurate this is. And I don't know if he is in the same family as Robert E. Lee's family.

In a message dated 10/30/2006 9:57:15 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Do you all just take things and interpret them the way you want to? I was making a statement regarding Belle Starr and Bruce Younger, because the subject came up that Belle married a Younger...I wasn't quoting you, and I wasn't arguing. I don't quote people unless I give them credit for the quote and put the quote in italics.

John Lee b abt 1745 St Mary's County MD d 1788 Nelson County KY m abt 1759 Elizabeth Thompson b 9 Apr 1752 St Mary's County MD d 1824 Nelson County KY !SOURCE: Collin's History of Kentucky 10 Jun 1779 List of men belonging to Capt Holder's Company in Madison County KY near Boonesborough included a John Lee. Cox's Station was another of the stockaded stations and became a "way station: for pioneers on their way to other locations. It was located near the trace from Harrdsburg to the Ohio Fall and Bullitt's Lick. !DEEDS: Jefferson County Entries Panther Creek Lee, John 12 May 1780 1,000a A47 Leestown Lee,Hancock 12 May 1780 500a A47 South Fork of the Elkhorn Lee,Hancock 12 May 1780 1,500a A47 No Location Lee, Henry 15 May 1780 1,000a A55 Main Fork of the Elkhorn Lee, Hancock Heirs 30 Oct 1780 1,000a A185 Main Fork of the Elkhorn Lee, John 30 Oct 1780 1,000a A185 !RESIDENCE: In 1802 John Lee was a resident of Garrard County, KY where Charles and Peter Younger lived. The Lees were associated with the families of Zachariah Maraman and Atkinson Hill. The families lived within a radius of one mile and there were five intermarriages among them !SOURCE: Filson Club History Quarterly, Vol 34; 1960 Settled along Rolling Fork River south of the present town of New Haven in Nelson County KY. The region was inhospitable. Indian attacks were frequent and the frontiersmen often sought refuge in Goodin's Fort two miles to the north. The family then moved about four miles to the north on the Beech Fork River in Nelson County. Despite his attempts to have his own land, a clear title was not forthcoming. He took possession of 400 acres allotted to him 3 Dec 1781 but Joseph Barnett steadfastly refused to relinquish a prior claim. !MILITARY: George Rogers Clark's Expedition against the Shawnees in southern Ohio 1782 Served under Col Cox. !DEATH: John Lee died in the summer of 1788 leaving his widow with seven children to raise ranging in ages from infancy to sixteen. Daughter Eleanor had previously married. Elizabeth was appointed executrix 12 Aug 1788 and the inventory is dated 13 Apr 1790. It contained one slave, 20 head of livestock, household goods and farming implements at a total value of a little over 105 pounds. !COURT: Nelson County, KY Records, Vol 1, Kentucky Records series by Bette Cummings Cook, C.G. p. 11 Sworn 13 Apr 1790; Recorded 12 Oct 1790 Appraisal of the property of John Lee, dec'd total of 105 pounds, 6 shillings, 6 pence as by Thomas Polk, E. Miller and Evan Williams There seems to be a discrepancy in the death date between the Filson Club Historical society article and the court record. It is suggested that the court record is probably more accurate. However, Elizabeth's second marriage occurred prior to 1790 leaving the death date in doubt. Elizabeth married secondly Jesse Ice. John and Elizabeth Thompson Lee had a son William Lee who married Sarah Younger, daughter of Henry Younger and Ruth Gatch Henry, Kennard and John Younger claim in various census records to have come from Maryland. Whether the families knew each other in Maryland or became acquainted in Kentucky is unknown at this time. It is still hypothesized by this genealogical hobbyist that the relationship with Robert E Lee came from the Carter,/Chastain, Ragan family. The hypothesis that the first wife of Charles Younger was an Elizabeth Lee still has no authoritative documentation. Cole only mentioned the name of Charles' first wife as Elizabeth ____ (blank) The rest was provided by the various researchers without documentation and the name has become a "standard" inclusion in most family charts. If we continue to look for an Elizabeth Lee (and many, including myself have tried) we may miss the opportunity to reveal her true identity.

O.K. Brownie. Just the way it was written sounded like I said it. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Something for Joshua Younger descendants In a message dated 10/30/2006 9:57:15 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Do you all just take things and interpret them the way you want to? I was making a statement regarding Belle Starr and Bruce Younger, because the subject came up that Belle married a Younger...I wasn't quoting you, and I wasn't arguing. I don't quote people unless I give them credit for the quote and put the quote in italics. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a little tidbit, now that I have the family tree out of Mary Agatha Deering Younger, wife of Capt. John W. Younger. Frances C. Fristoe,( sister of Bursheba Fristoe Younger, wife of Henery W. Younger) m. Lydall Wilkerson Twyman, Lydall's father being Leory Twyman m. Julia Ann Paine/Payne. Both Leory and Lydall being physicians, in Jackson County, Missouri. Leory Twyman's sister being Maria Danielle Twyman m. Robert Greenwell, uncle of Phillip Greenwell, who married Lucinthia Younger, daughter of Capt. JOhn W. and Mary Agatha Younger.Both families, Twyman and Greenwell coming from Scott County, KY.

Brownie, In an e-mail on the 29th of Oct. in which you wrote to the Younger-L it says: Judy Foley writes: Belle Starr was from my line because she married into the Youngers. She married Bruce Younger and lived with him for two years. No issue. I didn't say that! Go back and read what I wrote. I was discussing the Shirley family that my g grandfather's people were from. I said my Shirley line was not the same as Belle Star's because I had looked it up. She is on the Valentine Shirley line and mine is the Moses Shirley line. I know in the paragraph I wrote, the words" Belle Starr was from my line", did not come from my mouth. Do you all just take things and interpret them the way you want to? Techinally, I guess because my gr. grandmother was a cousin of the whole Younger group, I guess you can interpret it, that I would then be related to her in some way. But not from my Shirley side.

I think I read somewhere that Pearl is the daughter of Belle and Jim Reed who was her first husband. Wilma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francis Younger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] sOMETHING FOR jOSHUA yOUNGER DESCENDANTS > Belle Starr had a daughter, Pearl Younger. Who was the father? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] sOMETHING FOR jOSHUA yOUNGER DESCENDANTS > > >> In a message dated 10/29/2006 7:09:01 PM Central Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >>> Belle Starr was from my line, because she married into the Youngers >> >> She married Bruce Younger and lived with him about two years. No issue. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe she (Pearl) was the daughter of Belle and Jim Reed, her first husband. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francis Younger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] sOMETHING FOR jOSHUA yOUNGER DESCENDANTS > Belle Starr had a daughter, Pearl Younger. Who was the father? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] sOMETHING FOR jOSHUA yOUNGER DESCENDANTS > > >> In a message dated 10/29/2006 7:09:01 PM Central Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >>> Belle Starr was from my line, because she married into the Youngers >> >> She married Bruce Younger and lived with him about two years. No issue. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brownie, Your related to her Shirleys or who? -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Oct 29, 2006 9:20 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] sOMETHING FOR jOSHUA yOUNGER DESCENDANTS > >In a message dated 10/29/2006 7:09:01 PM Central Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: >> Belle Starr was from my line, because she married into the Youngers > >She married Bruce Younger and lived with him about two years. No issue. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Belle Starr had a daughter, Pearl Younger. Who was the father? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] sOMETHING FOR jOSHUA yOUNGER DESCENDANTS > In a message dated 10/29/2006 7:09:01 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: >> Belle Starr was from my line, because she married into the Youngers > > She married Bruce Younger and lived with him about two years. No issue. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 10/29/2006 7:09:01 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Belle Starr was from my line, because she married into the Youngers She married Bruce Younger and lived with him about two years. No issue.

Wilma Hillman, Interesting that you should mention the Lee's in relation to the Ragan's. I guess, I have never sent you (Judy Hoffstetter sent me) a family tree of Mary Agatha Deering. Judy got this family tree from the Kentucky Historical Society, I believe. But up through her line is a John Lee and John Lee, Jr. who I believe is the John Lee who married Becky Thompson. Now I can't say that John Lee is related to the family of Robert E. Lee but it seems to me if Mary Younger Ragan's mother is related to Lee's.....Anyways Judy Hoffstetter is going to hunt up the family tree and get back to you. Another item of interest is that on my Pittman side, and my gg grandfather, Francis Marion married Emma Younger, anyways his grandmother on his mother's side was a Shirley. Now this Shirley Family came from Barren County,KY before they went to McCleansboro, IL. Now I have not determined if this line came from the same line as those from the Shirley Plantation. I was also interested if Belle Starr was from my line, because she married into the Youngers. What I did find is that she is from a different line of Shirley's. There is a Shirley Family Association online, and they have done DNA. My Shirley line has been done. I can't think of the progenitor off hand. I would have to look it up. But Belle Star's exact line had not been done, but somebody on an adjacent line named Valentine Shirley had been done. And that is shown on this web site. I know that a Shirley family did live in Crab Orchard at the same time or around the same time the Youngers lived there. But also of interest is that there was a Shirley family that lived in Orange County, IN which is where Joshua Younger lived before moving to the next county up, where Bedford, IN is. In other family interest, Francis Marion Pittman's brother, Albert Judson Pittman married Sarah Shasteen(Chastein). Her g grandfather being a Jesse Shasteen who came from Wayne County, KY where the Chastein family lived on Little Otter Creek.No exact proof that he was a Chastein.But Emma's father, John B. Younger came to McCleansboro and married into the Braden family. He married Sara Margaret Reed Braden and his daughter, Florella Devers married Jacob Braden, parents being Albert Braden and Mary Ann Shasteen. Which makes me wonder about the relationship of Sophia Younger Ragan's, second husband Charles Braden. Who was a Minister in Southern Illinois.The Bradens in McCleansboro started several churches. Well, to top this all off Sarah Shasteen's gg grandmother on her mother's side I believe was Katherine Nall m. a George Trout in Nashville and they moved to McCleansboro. I have not determined who her father was. Also, on the Pittman side and I would have to look it up are some Raine or Raines or something similar and I know one of Peter Youngers daughters married a Raines.Now if any of these people relate from the Pittman side to the Ragon's is not known, but it's an interesting thought, although I have not drawn any conclusions due to lack of evidence, other than they were loosely related and all the names seem to fit.

Very good, Willie! Sounds plausible to me. I worked and worked on the Lee connection and could find absolutely nothing a few years ago. So this information seems to be logical. Luv, Brownie

The name "Lee" has been sprinkled generously throughout our genealogical research on the family of Joshua Younger and, yet, never once has anyone reported finding a "Lee" connection. If a Younger is found, his middle name is "Lee". I have pondered this for a very long time and suggest that the name "Lee" came into the Younger verbiage when Cole wrote a letter from Stillwater Prison claiming he was eligible to join the Sons of the Revolution based on his relationship with Robert E Lee. Soon after, it was widely believed that Joshua's first wife was a Lee named Elizabeth. I think I have finally found an explanation for it. The relationship really belongs to the Ragans. Jacob Ragan married Anna Chastain Carter. Anna Chastain Carter was named for her aunt, Ann Hill Carter who married 18 Jun 1793 Maj. Gen Henry Lee. It is they who had the son, Robert E. Lee. Anna Chastain was the daughter of Joseph and Magdalene Chastain; the granddaughter of Joseph and Judith Chastain; gr granddaughter of Joseph and Catherine Ammon Carter and the gr gr granddaughter of William Carter and Mary Goodloe. The Hills and Carters were associated with the Shirley Plantation located on the Colonial Highway as one approaches Williamsburg. It was open to the public a number of years ago. Jacob Ragan was the son of John Ragan and Mary Younger. They also had, among others, a daughter named Sarah who had a child, Tillard, out of wedlock. The reported father is a Joseph Carter. Tillard married Sophia Lee Younger 2 Dec 1853. She was the daughter of Charles Younger and Parmelia Dorcus Wilson. No doubt the relationship with the Lees was known to Cole. Perhaps he did perceive that the relationship applied to him. Who wouldn't be proud to be a relative of Robert E Lee when your sympathies were with the south? It's been a long time since I did this research. I waited hoping I'd come up with something else but I do have a source on my notes. It was Filson Club Quarterly, Vol 34 - 1960

I believe that Cole Younger's grandfather, Charles Lee Younger, was the son of a woman whose last name was Lee and that she was a distant relative of the Lee's of Virginia. I believe this family settled in Kentucky before the revolution, probably in Crab Orchard, KY. There are Lee descendents from the Kentucky families. They would be very distant relatives of Robert E. Lee. I wonder how Lee Summit, MO got its name? In any case the connection to the Lee's would pre-date Robert E Lee, a man who never really knew is father. His mother was a Carter. Francis Younger Message ----- From: "Wilma C. Hillman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: [YOUNGER] Something for Joshua descendants to think about - > The name "Lee" has been sprinkled generously throughout our genealogical > research on the family of Joshua Younger and, yet, never once has anyone > reported finding a "Lee" connection. If a Younger is found, his middle > name > is "Lee". I have pondered this for a very long time and suggest that the > name "Lee" came into the Younger verbiage when Cole wrote a letter from > Stillwater Prison claiming he was eligible to join the Sons of the > Revolution based on his relationship with Robert E Lee. Soon after, it was > widely believed that Joshua's first wife was a Lee named Elizabeth. I > think > I have finally found an explanation for it. > > The relationship really belongs to the Ragans. Jacob Ragan married Anna > Chastain Carter. Anna Chastain Carter was named for her aunt, Ann Hill > Carter who married 18 Jun 1793 Maj. Gen Henry Lee. It is they who had the > son, Robert E. Lee. > > Anna Chastain was the daughter of Joseph and Magdalene Chastain; the > granddaughter of Joseph and Judith Chastain; gr granddaughter of Joseph > and > Catherine Ammon Carter and the gr gr granddaughter of William Carter and > Mary Goodloe. The Hills and Carters were associated with the Shirley > Plantation located on the Colonial Highway as one approaches Williamsburg. > It was open to the public a number of years ago. > > Jacob Ragan was the son of John Ragan and Mary Younger. They also had, > among > others, a daughter named Sarah who had a child, Tillard, out of wedlock. > The > reported father is a Joseph Carter. Tillard married Sophia Lee Younger 2 > Dec > 1853. She was the daughter of Charles Younger and Parmelia Dorcus Wilson. > No > doubt the relationship with the Lees was known to Cole. Perhaps he did > perceive that the relationship applied to him. Who wouldn't be proud to be > a > relative of Robert E Lee when your sympathies were with the south? > > It's been a long time since I did this research. I waited hoping I'd come > up > with something else but I do have a source on my notes. It was Filson Club > Quarterly, Vol 34 - 1960 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been e-mailing a [email protected] This is what he said. I descend from George Washington Nall, Sr., son of George Larkin Nall, son of William Nalle/Nall, son of Richard Nalle, son of Martin Nalle. He says that Martin Nalle lived in Essex County, VA, his son Richard Nalle migrated to Wake County, NC, his son, William Nall was awarded land in Tennessee as a result of his service during the revolutionary war, and moved his family to Hawkins County, Tennesse before 1796. When Grainger County was formed in 1796, his lands fell into Graniger county, TN, and he remained there until his death, about 1808. His son, George Larkin, moved his family from Grainger County, TN to Hopkins County, KY in 1811, and George Larkin died soon after the move. In the interim, the spelling of the surname changed to Nalle was changed to Nall. George Larkin's oldest son, George Washington Nalle, Sr. moved his family to Union County, KY in the late 1850's. Webster County, KY, was formed in 1860, and these brother's became residents of Webster County, KY. Then he says, Notice on the attached outline descendant tree, that Sarah Nall, born 1836, married a George C. James. Some researcher's say that George was a relative of Jesse and Frank James.

I have read it before, but thanks again. I really enjoyed it! It is lovely, and God does live under the bed, as well as all around. I know -he holds me in his hands. Hope ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert J Younger" <[email protected]> To: "Younger Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:44 AM Subject: [YOUNGER] GOD LIVES UNDER THE BED > I figured you might like this. > > >From Robert > ------------------------------------------------------------- > GOD LIVES UNDER THE BED > > > > I envy Kevin. My brother Kevin thinks God lives under his bed. At least > that's what I heard him say one night. > > > > He was praying out loud in his dark bedroom, and I stopped to listen, "Are > you there, God?" he said. "Where are you? Oh, I see. Under the bed..." > > I giggled softly and tiptoed off to my own room. Kevin's unique perspectives > are often a source of amusement. But that night something else lingered long > after the humor. I realized for the first time the very different world > Kevin lives in. > > He was born 30 years ago, mentally disabled as a result of difficulties > during labor. Apart from his size (he's 6-foot-2), there are few ways in > which he is an adult. > > > > He reasons and communicates with the capabilities of a 7-year-old, and he > always will. He will probably always believe that God lives under his bed, > that Santa Claus is the one who fills the space under our tree every > Christmas and that airplanes stay up in the sky because angels carry them. > > I remember wondering if Kevin realizes he is different. > > Is he ever dissatisfied with his monotonous life? > > Up before dawn each day, off to work at a workshop for the disabled, home to > walk our cocker spaniel, return to eat his favorite macaroni-and-cheese for > dinner, and later to bed. > > The only variation in the entire scheme is laundry, when he hovers excitedly > over the washing machine like a mother with her > > newborn child. > > He does not seem dissatisfied. > > He lopes out to the bus every morning at <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = ST1 > />7:05, eager for a day of simple work. > > > > > He wrings his hands excitedly while the water boils on the stove before > dinner, and he stays up late twice a week to gather our dirty laundry for > his next day's laundry chores. > > And Saturdays-oh, the bliss of Saturdays! That's the day my Dad takes Kevin > to the airport to have a soft drink, watch the planes and, and speculate > loudly on the destination of each passenger inside. > > > > "That one's goin' to Chi-car-go!" Kevin shouts as he claps his hands. > > His anticipation is so great he can hardly sleep on Friday nights. > > And so goes his world of daily rituals and weekend field trips. > > > > He doesn't know what it means to be discontent. > > His life is simple. > > He will never know the entanglements of wealth of power, and he does not > care what brand of clothing he wears or what kind of food he eats. His needs > have always been met, and he never worries that one day they may not be. > > > > > His hands are diligent. Kevin is never so happy as when he is working. When > he unloads the dishwasher or vacuums the carpet, his heart is completely in > it. > > He does not shrink from a job when it is begun, and he does not leave a job > until it is finished. But when his tasks are done, Kevin knows how to relax. > > > He is not obsessed with his work or the work of others. His heart is pure. > > He still believes everyone tells the truth, promises must be kept, and when > you are wrong, you apologize instead of argue. > > Free from pride and unconcerned with appearances, Kevin is not afraid to cry > when he is hurt, angry or sorry. He is always transparent, always sincere. > And he trusts God. > > Not confined by intellectual reasoning, when he comes to Christ, he comes as > a child. Kevin seems to know God - to really be friends with Him in a way > that is difficult for an "educated" person to grasp. God seems like his > closest companion. > > In my moments of doubt and frustrations with my Christianity I envy the > security Kevin has in his simple faith. > > It is then that I am most willing to admit that he has some divine knowledge > that rises above my mortal questions. > > > > It is then I realize that perhaps he is not the one with the handicap . I > am. My obligations, my fear, my pride, my circumstances - they all become > disabilities when I do not trust them to God's care. > > Who knows if Kevin comprehends things I can never learn? After all, he has > spent his whole life in that kind of innocence, praying after dark and > soaking up the goodness and love of > > God. > > And one day, when the mysteries of heaven are opened, and we are all amazed > at how close God really is to our hearts, > > I'll realize that God heard the simple prayers of a boy who believed that > God lived under his bed. > > Kevin won't be surprised at all! > > > > When you receive this, say a prayer. That's all you have to do. There is > nothing attached. This is powerful. > > > > Just send this to four people and do not break this, please. Prayer is one > of the best free gifts we receive. There is no cost, but a lot of rewards. > > FRIENDS ARE ANGELS WHO LIFT US TO OUR FEET WHEN OUR WINGS HAVE TROUBLE > REMEMBERING HOW TO FLY. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >