Good luck - hope you find someone. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> To: <younger@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Armistead Younger or William Armistead Younger > Thanks!!!! > > Well, the interesting part is that they were in Suphur Springs, TX. My > mom > and dad were living there when I was born, although I was born in Dallas. > I > remember when I was really small going to a relatives house in Suphur > Springs, and they had a fish pond in their back yard and a screened in > porch with a > water pump. I'll bet it was them. > > I'll look for Harvey Mack and/or Clovis. > > Love, Brownie > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YOUNGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a TX State Dept. of Health Certificate of Death on James Williamson Younger, Hopkins County TX, precinct 5. Date of Death July 21, 1930. He was an 86 year old widower; wife's name Cannta (?). His date of birth is July 4, 1844. Father WILLIAM ARMISTEAD YOUNGER; Mother REBECCA CRUZ. His birth place is Virginia. Harvey Younger was informant; Dike, TX. The above James Williamson was not my James Williamson. The above William Armistead is obviously Armistead/Rebecca Crews Younger. Could this be yet another "WILLIAM" ? I'll have to look up Harvey. I just thought somebody might be interested. Brownie **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

I did see your reply and sent you an answer. The one Clovis has passed, but there is likely a grandson or great-grandson carrying the same name. At least a son in that same line. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> To: <younger@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Armistead Younger or William Armistead Younger > Wilma...if you saw my reply with the name Clovis, let me know. We may > have > a live one. Either that or he may have a son, too. Can't find them in > my > phone book...or the Houston phone book, but Yahoo People Search says he's > in > New Caney and Houston. > > Brownie > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YOUNGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Clovis, son of Harvey Mack passed away in 1959 -- maybe the one you're looking for is a grandson of Harvey Mack? Look for a Harvey Mack, Jr. Descendants of Harvey Mack Younger 1 Harvey Mack Younger b: February 02, 1882 in Stone County, Arkansas d: November 03, 1960 in Sulphur Springs, Hopkins County, Texas Burial: Conner Cemetery, Hopkins Co., TX . +Willie Mae Davis b: January 19, 1894 in Gunterville, Alabama m: 1910 in Como, Hopkins County, Texas d: August 1983 in Dike, Hopkins County, Texas ...... 2 Clovis Allen Younger b: May 07, 1912 in Nashville, Arkansas d: February 06, 1959 in Dallas County, Texas Burial: Sulphur Springs, Dallas County, Texas .......... +Lois Aline Rogers b: June 11, 1918 in Hopkins County, Texas d: May 09, 1932 in Dike, Hopkins County, Texas Burial: Conner Cemetery, Hopkins Co. TX ...... 2 Irene Younger b: May 20, 1914 ...... 2 Myrtle Kamilla Younger b: March 19, 1916 ...... 2 Imojean Younger b: December 21, 1917 ...... 2 Evelyn Eunice Younger b: March 12, 1921 ...... 2 James Alvin Younger b: September 03, 1923 in Texas d: May 31, 1964 in McKinney, Collin County, Texas Burial: Sulphur Springs, Hopkins County, Texas ...... 2 Frances Younger b: April 19, 1928 ...... 2 Harvey Mack Younger, Jr. b: August 17, 1940 Or, possibly a grandson named Clovis. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> To: <younger@rootsweb.com>; <Younger@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Armistead Younger or William Armistead Younger > Also have Harvey Younger 34 in the 1920 census. Son Clovis 7 (seven) years > old. Clovis is listed in Yahoo People Search as living in New Caney, TX. > That's just down the road a piece from me. 50 miles or so. He's also listed > as living in Houston, but he's not in either phone book??????? He would be > 85 now, but is a descendant of Armistead from AR. If I can find him and he's > still alive I can get his DNA! I can't believe he's been sitting here right > under my nose! > > Brownie > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YOUNGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

His wife was Camilla Haney, son was Harvey Mack Younger, born Feb 2, 1882 Stone Co. AR, died Nov 3, 1960, Hopkins Co. TX Wilma ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mbmackie1231@aol.com> To: <Younger@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: [YOUNGER] Armistead Younger or William Armistead Younger >I have a TX State Dept. of Health Certificate of Death on James Williamson > Younger, Hopkins County TX, precinct 5. Date of Death July 21, 1930. He > was > an 86 year old widower; wife's name Cannta (?). His date of birth is > July 4, > 1844. Father WILLIAM ARMISTEAD YOUNGER; Mother REBECCA CRUZ. His birth > place is Virginia. Harvey Younger was informant; Dike, TX. > > The above James Williamson was not my James Williamson. The above > William > Armistead is obviously Armistead/Rebecca Crews Younger. Could this be > yet > another "WILLIAM" ? I'll have to look up Harvey. I just thought > somebody might > be interested. > > Brownie > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YOUNGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 9/28/2008 11:20:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time, PatriciaFinnell@aol.com writes: Secondly, I do not believe that Marcus could possibly have been a son of Alexander d. c1726. That jogged my thinking processes...the lord knows I need them jogged.... I stated (WRONGLY) that my Uncle Harold Younger had Marcus Younger on his Alexander tree. He had Marcus on his Thomas Younger tree. That is most likely incorrect, also. I could never fit in Marcus on Thomas's tree. So, as stated, we have from Pat: Alexander/Rebecca Mills Younger (Essex County) Thomas/Sarah Ferguson Younger (Essex County) John/Lucy Hart Younger (Pittsylvania County) Robert Younger then... John/Mary Moore ? Younger John Marcus and Mary Robertson Carter Younger Etc. then...from Brownie (me) Alexander/Rebecca Mills Younger (Essex County) Thomas/Mary North [have never found conclusive evidence of a Northern family; only "North." Younger (Essex County) William/Mary Watkins Younger (Halifax County) Williamson/Mary Bomar Younger (Halifax County) Williamson, Jr./Louisa Patton Younger (Carroll County, TN) James Williamson/Rosalie Tennessee Carter Younger (Clay County, TX) Williamson Henry/Stella Brown McKisick Younger (Tarrant County,TX) Harold Burnell Younger (Dallas County, TX) **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Rebecca probably remarried about that time because Thomas is shown as born in about 1706 which would put his age of majority at 1727. Wilma has their marriage as "about 1733", so this would make sense. We know then that these children were born after 1711, and since there were 5 of them, probably 1711, 1713, 1715, 1717, and 1719 or something similar. Too bad we don't have the records of when the guardianship for each one was terminated and the final accounting to the court because that would tell us the order of the children's birth and might tell us who the women married. Bobbi -----Original Message----- From: younger-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:younger-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mbmackie1231@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:36 PM To: Younger@rootsweb.com Subject: [YOUNGER] Guardianship of Mary, Ann, James Jannett and Susannah >From Pat Finnell...via Brownie Someone also asked if there was record of guardianship for Alexander's other children. Yes, in 1732 Thomas Younger went to Essex Co court three time with various bondsmen and was appointed guardian for #1 Mary and Ann, #2 James and #3 Jannett and Susannah. Either he qualified as being of age or Rebecca remarried at this time. I also have the same records...now that I remember...I've got to get all that out again! Brownie **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YOUNGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Pat Finnell...via Brownie Someone also asked if there was record of guardianship for Alexander's other children. Yes, in 1732 Thomas Younger went to Essex Co court three time with various bondsmen and was appointed guardian for #1 Mary and Ann, #2 James and #3 Jannett and Susannah. Either he qualified as being of age or Rebecca remarried at this time. I also have the same records...now that I remember...I've got to get all that out again! Brownie **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Regarding parentage of Marcus Younger - I do not think that Alexander would have made provision for heirs of his brother in Scotland if his daughters were not alive to inherit the land and still left an unnamed son our of his estate. It doesn't make sense and leaves the estate open to court actions. The least he should have done to disinherit Marcus was to say so in the will **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

>From Pat Finnell...via Brownie Someone also asked if there was record of guardianship for Alexander's other children. Yes, in 1732 Thomas Younger went to Essex Co court three time with various bondsmen and was appointed guardian for #1 Mary and Ann, #2 James and #3 Jannett and Susannah. Either he qualified as being of age or Rebecca remarried at this time. I also have the same records...now that I remember...I've got to get all that out again! Brownie **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

In a message dated 9/28/2008 12:29:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, restes@comcast.net writes: If one of these girls had him illegitimately, and either died or for another reason allowed him to be raised by his eldest brother Thomas who was married the first time about 1740, that would explain Marcus's constant contact with Thomas and family. This would also explain the different DNA. It is also possible that Thomas's first wife, whoever she was, had a child from a previous marriage or otherwise before she married Thomas. This would also explain the different DNA and the connection to the Thomas Younger family. If Marcus was the son of a sister of Thomas, then Alexander would clearly have been his grandfather, so that part of the oral history shared by John's descendant would be correct, just a generation offset and "losing" the illegitimacy generation. Families sometimes did this or made up stories about the woman having married a mystery cousin. The above makes the most sense of all. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

The book People and Places, Here and There can be read in its entirety on Google Books. Brownie **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Pat...could you shed some light on the "John Younger/Mary Moore" marriage? Who were their children? I don't seem to have that record. Brownie **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Hi Pat, Thanks for posting this. This is similar to the info I've seen before and may be where that original info came from. This may have been approved by someone, but they are wrong. It's not the first time. We know for sure that the John Younger that was the son of Marcus had Robert Hart Younger. We have lots of documentation to that effect, and that John was in fact the son of Marcus. I don't know that Marcus was the son of Alexander either, but consider for a minute that wills of that timeframe did NOT name all the heirs, unless they said specifically "all my children" or verbiage like that. George Estes who married Mary Younger (daughter of Marcus) left a will that named one child and for generations, until I found a lawsuit in chancery court a couple of years ago, genealogists took that to mean they had only one child. That was NOT the case, they had 8 children who lived to adulthood but 7 of them had been taken care of previously, so they were not mentioned in the will. That was my point with what I posted earlier. One cannot determine that someone was NOT a child by omission from a will during that timeframe in Virginia. Inclusion proves they were a child, but omission does not, unfortunately, do the opposite. Alexander had 8 heirs who all shared equally. Perhaps he had other children who had already been provided for, or perhaps he raised Marcus and Marcus had the Younger surname, but Marcus was not his biological child for a variety of reasons. We don't yet know. We may never know, but the omission in the will does not mean that Marcus was not his child. Do you know of a guardian was appointed for any of the children. The records we have show that several of the childre were underage. Does anyone have any connection to the National Society to see if this can be checked and if they have more info? I know nothing about this society. What do we know about Marcus? He died in 1816, and there were no stories about how he lived to be 100 or anything like that, so he certainly was born after 1716 and we know he was born before 1740 or before because his son John was born about 1760. Given that men of that time often married between 25 and 30, I'd suggest that he was born about 1730, maybe 1735, assuming that John was his first child. Given that he only had 5 that survived, and it's likely that like other couples they had 1 child every other year, he probably had 10 or more. So if Marcus was Alexander's child, he was born very close to his death and would have assuredly had a guardian appointed. This point is probably the best evidence we have that Marcus was NOT the child of Alexander because Alexander could not have provided for a minor child without a guardian being appointed. So who else was having children during that timeframe in the Younger household? Brother John died without issue. Brother James didn't marry until 1745 and we know Marcus was born before 1740. Sister Elizabeth married about the time that Alexander died, which does not exclude her from having an illegitimate child prior to the marriage, but that would put Marcus being a little older than I suspect he was. Sister Ann married in 1732 Sisters Mary, Janet and Susannah we know nothing about. If one of these girls had him illegitimately, and either died or for another reason allowed him to be raised by his eldest brother Thomas who was married the first time about 1740, that would explain Marcus's constant contact with Thomas and family. This would also explain the different DNA. It is also possible that Thomas's first wife, whoever she was, had a child from a previous marriage or otherwise before she married Thomas. This would also explain the different DNA and the connection to the Thomas Younger family. If Marcus was the son of a sister of Thomas, then Alexander would clearly have been his grandfather, so that part of the oral history shared by John's descendant would be correct, just a generation offset and "losing" the illegitimacy generation. Families sometimes did this or made up stories about the woman having married a mystery cousin. Someone had to raise this child. He had to grow up someplace. Does anyone have any idea at all what happened to the three daughters, Mary, Susannah and Janet? Marcus named his daughter Susannah and also had daughters Elizabeth, Mary and Sally (probably Sarah). There is some question as to whether Marcus's wife or daughter or both are named Susannah. The documents are confusing and inconsistent. I personally tend to think it is his daughter and not his wife, but it could be either or both. Sometimes even then they used "forms" and the normal verbiage on the form was wife and he left land in fee simple to Susannah his daughter. Also, if one of these women had been his mother and she died without marrying, he would have inherited her share which might explain how he had money to purchase land. I know the King and Queen county records have burned, but has anyone ever looked in the records of Essex to see if there is anything about the daughters? My bet at this point is that he is either the child of the first wife of Thomas prior to their marriage or the illegitimate child of one Thomas's sisters. I think this because of the constant contact with Thomas and family. But then again, we have the connundrum of William also found in Halifax and who was also very connected with this family. Ironically, William was born about the same time, before 1740. He is also a mystery man but connected with this family. John, Marcus's son signed his will as a witness. Was William perhaps the brother of Marcus or maybe a first cousin? His daughters names were Rachel, Leah, Keziah, Elizabeth and Sally. These last two names repeat in this family, but they are also very common. He too probably had more children who did not survive. More thoughts anyone? Bobbi -----Original Message----- From: younger-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:younger-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PatriciaFinnell@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:19 PM To: younger@rootsweb.com Subject: [YOUNGER] Marcus Father Named as Alexander This may not be worth two cents of your or my time. Has anyone examined in depth the publication "People and Places Here and There' FHC film 1035922 item 8? Seems to have been written by Rev. Daniel Taylor Sr, copyright 1981 by Mrs. Cora Taylor Younger Smith? It is not well footnoted and I can't tell when or for sure by whom written but it says: Thomas son, of Alexander (d. c1726 Essex Co); John Younger son of Thomas Younger and Sarah Ferguson; Robert Younger son of John Younger and Lucy Hart; John Marcus Younger son of John Younger and Mary Moore; Rev Robert Hobson Younger son of John Marcus Younger and Mary Robertson Carter; Cora Taylor (b. 1901) dau of Rev. Robert Hobson Younger and Anne Gregory Taylor. It indicates this lineage approved by National Society CDXVII Century Lineage. Secondly, I do not believe that Marcus could possibly have been a son of Alexander d. c1726. The net estate was divided into eight parts. Daughter, Elizabeth got an eighth as did widow Rebecca. Rebecca was due either a third or a fourth by dower law but apparently negotiated for or settled for a child's share. Alexander named eight children, one died during probate and his share apparently went back into the pot (inferring that he had no heirs). There is no room in this settlement for Marcus, nor was anyone appointed his guardian, nor was there a guardian for an heir of dead John. There were other Youngers with a connection to Essex Co - such as the sea captain, also a James Younger who owned land before 1692 according to a history of Old Rappahannock Co. Regarding the James Younger story that he accompanied the John Nash family as it moved from Middlesex Co and married their daughter Ann I will say while I am orating that the Christ Church Parish record indicates that John Nash died 10 October 1716, Pat Finnell *************************************** **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. 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This may not be worth two cents of your or my time. Has anyone examined in depth the publication "People and Places Here and There' FHC film 1035922 item 8? Seems to have been written by Rev. Daniel Taylor Sr, copyright 1981 by Mrs. Cora Taylor Younger Smith? It is not well footnoted and I can't tell when or for sure by whom written but it says: Thomas son, of Alexander (d. c1726 Essex Co); John Younger son of Thomas Younger and Sarah Ferguson; Robert Younger son of John Younger and Lucy Hart; John Marcus Younger son of John Younger and Mary Moore; Rev Robert Hobson Younger son of John Marcus Younger and Mary Robertson Carter; Cora Taylor (b. 1901) dau of Rev. Robert Hobson Younger and Anne Gregory Taylor. It indicates this lineage approved by National Society CDXVII Century Lineage. Secondly, I do not believe that Marcus could possibly have been a son of Alexander d. c1726. The net estate was divided into eight parts. Daughter, Elizabeth got an eighth as did widow Rebecca. Rebecca was due either a third or a fourth by dower law but apparently negotiated for or settled for a child's share. Alexander named eight children, one died during probate and his share apparently went back into the pot (inferring that he had no heirs). There is no room in this settlement for Marcus, nor was anyone appointed his guardian, nor was there a guardian for an heir of dead John. There were other Youngers with a connection to Essex Co - such as the sea captain, also a James Younger who owned land before 1692 according to a history of Old Rappahannock Co. Regarding the James Younger story that he accompanied the John Nash family as it moved from Middlesex Co and married their daughter Ann I will say while I am orating that the Christ Church Parish record indicates that John Nash died 10 October 1716, Pat Finnell *************************************** **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Oh.....okay....thanks for the explanation. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Brownie, We only know what the dna of Robert H. Younger looks like since both of the people who tested were his descendants. He may not have been his father's son. That's why we need the dna of another one of John Younger's sons descendants. Their DNA may match the Younger line or may match their line which means that we will know what John's DNA looks like. It's one step closer to Marcus and may be enlightening. Bobbi -----Original Message----- From: younger-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:younger-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mbmackie1231@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 7:43 PM To: younger@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Marcus Father Named as Alexander I guess I don't understand what you're getting at! :-) Thomas was the son of Alexander. That's been pretty well proven. If Marcus is from Alexander, too, then descendants of Thomas and descendants of Marcus should match. ????????????????????????????????????????????? **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YOUNGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I guess I don't understand what you're getting at! :-) Thomas was the son of Alexander. That's been pretty well proven. If Marcus is from Alexander, too, then descendants of Thomas and descendants of Marcus should match. ????????????????????????????????????????????? **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Brownie, But your line is through Thomas and that won't help. I need the Marcus lines. I'll e-mail you the document with the candidate people. Bobbi -----Original Message----- From: younger-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:younger-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mbmackie1231@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 6:32 PM To: younger@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YOUNGER] Marcus Father Named as Alexander Bobbi..there are some male Youngers descended from my grandfather's brother, who are from Reserve, NM. Some of the younger Youngers moved to Colorado. I've tried and tried to find them. One is Mike Younger, Montrose, CO. Another is his son Robert Younger, Platteville, CO. Don't know if they're still there Brownie **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YOUNGER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bobbi..there are some male Youngers descended from my grandfather's brother, who are from Reserve, NM. Some of the younger Youngers moved to Colorado. I've tried and tried to find them. One is Mike Younger, Montrose, CO. Another is his son Robert Younger, Platteville, CO. Don't know if they're still there Brownie **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)