In a message dated 3/4/00 8:26:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << It's been a while since I've posted our "brick wall" . Philadelphia, German, JUNGs(YOUNGs) from about 1760-1860. Rose Catherine MESSERSCHMIDT POSTHUMUS ********** Rose, Are you certain they came from Germany? I'm not an expert on european history, but my ancestors were two brothers that arrived on the Loyal Judith in Sept. 1732. They were named Marcus and Matheus Jung. Apparently, they came from Rheinland. I understand that it is something to do with Germany, but I've had so much to look for here, I haven't even begun really trying to tackle Europe. The parents of my two ancestors were supposedly Johannes and Maria Jung. Johannes born about 1685. That's all I have right now though. The brothers landed in Philadelphia but moved to Lancaster, Pa. Brett