Skipton parish comes under the Diocese of Leeds and they have an archives office in Leeds: Hinsley Hall, 62 Headingley Lane, LEEDS, LS6 2BX Tel: 0113 261 8022 Fax: 0113 261 8035  Their website:  http://www.dioceseofleeds.org.uk/d_parishes/searchparish.php?keywords=skipton&Submit2.x=11&Submit2.y=9&Submit2=Search  shows two churches in Skipton so I guess you have a choice of to either contact the church or the archives to find out more information  Trisha  ________________________________ From: "roy.stockdill@btinternet.com" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: yORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2012, 19:05 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Broughton Hall, Skipton, private RC chapel of the Tempests I wonder if any listers in the Skipton area might happen to know if the Broughton Hall Roman Catholic Chapel, the private chapel of the Tempest family, still exists? Despite Googling and checking my reference books, I have not been able to establish this. I know that Broughton Hall is now a major business park (still belonging to the Tempests, I believe) but I couldn't find a mention of the chapel. My reason for asking is that I was mildly surprised to discover from the IGI that one SYLVESTER BRACEWELL, a colateral ancestor of mine who was baptised at Kirkby Malham on 16 July 1758 (he was a brother of my 4x great-grandfather William Bracewell) apparently christened three sons there in the 1790s. Sylvester married Nanny (or Nancy) PARKER at Kirkby Malham on 3 June 1777 and they had three sons called Silvester (1792), Jonathan (1795) and Marcus (1798), all baptised at Broughton Hall Catholic Chapel, Broughton in Airedale, about 3 miles west of Skipton. I believe the records are now at TNA at Kew. I can only assume that Sylvester Bracewell was a worker on the Broughton estate and perhaps he had no choice other than to baptise his children as Catholics there. I make this point because in 40 years of research I have never found any other member of my family in any other line who was a Roman Catholic. The Tempest family were of course well-known Catholic Recusants and perhaps they enforced their religion upon their workers. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Roy You asked - 'I wonder if any listers in the Skipton area might happen to know if the Broughton Hall Roman Catholic Chapel, the private chapel of the Tempest family, still exists?' Broughton Hall is now the home of the famous magazine the Dalesman Country Publications Limited The Water Mill, Broughton Hall, Skipton North Yorkshire BD23 3AG Telephone: 01756 701381. The editor Paul Jackson editorial@thecountryman.co.uk would I feel sure be interested in your story for publication. They printed a beautiful write up of our Upper Dales book 'Those Who Left the Dales' last year. Roger Tempest now runs the estate and he can be contacted at 01756 799608 rogertempest@broughtonhall.co.uk Best wishes Glenys in the Yorkshire Dales www.cumpston.org.uk On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 10:44 PM, trisha walker <jackgeorgeisaac@yahoo.com>wrote: > > > Skipton parish comes under the Diocese of Leeds and they have an archives > office in Leeds: > > Hinsley Hall, > 62 Headingley Lane, > LEEDS, LS6 2BX > > Tel: 0113 261 8022 > Fax: 0113 261 8035 > > > > > Their website: > > > http://www.dioceseofleeds.org.uk/d_parishes/searchparish.php?keywords=skipton&Submit2.x=11&Submit2.y=9&Submit2=Search > > > > > shows two churches in Skipton so I guess you have a choice of to either > contact the church or the archives to find out more information > > Trisha > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "roy.stockdill@btinternet.com" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > To: yORKSGEN@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2012, 19:05 > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Broughton Hall, Skipton, private RC chapel of the > Tempests > > I wonder if any listers in the Skipton area might happen to know if the > Broughton Hall Roman > Catholic Chapel, the private chapel of the Tempest family, still exists? > Despite Googling and > checking my reference books, I have not been able to establish this. I > know that Broughton > Hall is now a major business park (still belonging to the Tempests, I > believe) but I couldn't > find a mention of the chapel. > > My reason for asking is that I was mildly surprised to discover from the > IGI that one > SYLVESTER BRACEWELL, a colateral ancestor of mine who was baptised at > Kirkby > Malham on 16 July 1758 (he was a brother of my 4x great-grandfather > William Bracewell) > apparently christened three sons there in the 1790s. Sylvester married > Nanny (or Nancy) > PARKER at Kirkby Malham on 3 June 1777 and they had three sons called > Silvester (1792), > Jonathan (1795) and Marcus (1798), all baptised at Broughton Hall Catholic > Chapel, > Broughton in Airedale, about 3 miles west of Skipton. I believe the > records are now at TNA at > Kew. > > I can only assume that Sylvester Bracewell was a worker on the Broughton > estate and > perhaps he had no choice other than to baptise his children as Catholics > there. I make this > point because in 40 years of research I have never found any other member > of my family in > any other line who was a Roman Catholic. > > The Tempest family were of course well-known Catholic Recusants and > perhaps they > enforced their religion upon their workers. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My thanks to all who responded to my request for information about the private Roman Catholic chapel on the Tempest estate at Broughton Hall - most interesting, as I didn't know until now that I had any Catholic ancestors, albeit Sylvester Bracewell and Nanny Parker being only collateral ones. Of course, I must point out (before somebody else does) that everyone was Catholic before 1533 when Henry VIII split with Rome but I haven't yet found anyone that far back. I am convinced that Sylvester and Nanny (or Nancy) must have been the same couple who married at Kirkby Malham in 1777 and then christened three boys at Broughton between 1792 and 1798 because in each entry the mother is shown on the IGI as "Annae" (Latin) Parker. I wonder why they waited so long to have children or perhaps they had others elsewhere earlier, but if so they are not on the IGI. However, I have now investigated further and found something even more interesting! If you enter the batch number M140001 into FamilySearch you will come up with no fewer than 46 marriages at the Broughton Hall Catholic chapel between 1757 and 1835 - only one of them a Tempest, so I would assume all the others were estate workers. This, of course, was during the lengthy period when all marriages apart from Jews and Quakers had to take place in the Church of England under Hardwicke's Marriage Act. Clearly, the marriages in a Catholic church or chapel would not have been valid in law, so in most cases there was probably another marriage in an Anglican church, often on the same day. A couple of examples..... HENRY BRACEWELL married ELISABETH PRESTON at Carlton in Craven, near Skipton, on 18 February 1765 (M106122) and on the same day the Broughton Hall chapel records a marriage ceremony for HENRICUM BRACEWELL and ELIZABETHAE PRESTON. I have not yet established whether Henry was one of my Bracewells but it's possible. ELISABETH TEMPEST (presumably one of the Tempest daughters) married JOHN TRAFFORD at Broughton near Skipton on 23 Sept 1773 (M106102) and on the same day ELIZAB. TEMPEST married JOAN. TRATFORD (presumable the groom was Latinised as Johan) at Broughton Hall chapel. It must have been an interesting experience in those days getting married if you were Roman Catholic and the happy couple and their guests had to dash between two churches! I wonder if they walked or used fast coaches? I confess that Catholicism is one of the areas in which my usual knowledge and expertise is somewhat lacking. Would anyone care to comment on whether the Tempest family's estate workers would have been forced to follow their lord and master's religion? Wasn't it slightly dangerous, even in that time, to be a Catholic Recusant? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE