Hi Nivard and all I hope I haven't mislead you here...the marriage cert for Thomas Briggs and Maria Richards shows the father's names where it asks for "father's names" So we have Father: Thomas Briggs - with Gardener in the rank/profession area. Plus Maria's father Thomas Richards - Blacksmith. WITNESSES: Maria Richards (Maria's mother nee FROST); Thomas Richards and Thomas Briggs. So I was very lucky to have Maria's name on there as it made researching that family so much easier. However, on the copy of Thomas Briggs death certificate 09 Aug 1854, at 122 Charles St, Blue Town; no mention of any family, not even his wife. The description of informer: Grace Creber 'X' her mark, present at the death. The Creber's also came from Devon and may have been family friends. I thought it was odd that there is no mention of Thomas's wife or his birth place. Maybe you can tell me if it was normal for those times, not to mention these things. The BRIGGS surname seems more prevalent in Yorkshire than elsewhere and as BRIGGS is a very large one name study, I don't think I can do it alone. I welcome people like Victor to help out. Kind regards Ann Spiro -----Original Message----- Hi Ann: You have a fairly unusual document there then, despite seeing rather a lot of marriage certificates, I have yet to see a marriage which lists both parents so you have something rather unique there

Hi Ann That is much as I thought it would be I wondered if you had something rather special there :-) Fact is the witnesses may be the parents and very likely are in your case but without some sort of further information such as a newspaper mention there is generally no way of knowing the relationship to the happy couple Regarding the lack of information on the death certificate, that is quite normal It was not until 1969 that place of birth and date of birth was recorded Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/06/2012 08:02, SBS Engineers Research wrote: > Hi Nivard and all > I hope I haven't mislead you here...the marriage cert for Thomas Briggs > and Maria Richards shows the father's names where it asks for "father's > names" So we have Father: Thomas Briggs - with Gardener in the > rank/profession area. Plus Maria's father Thomas Richards - Blacksmith. > WITNESSES: Maria Richards (Maria's mother nee FROST); Thomas Richards > and Thomas Briggs. So I was very lucky to have Maria's name on there > as it made researching that family so much easier. > > However, on the copy of Thomas Briggs death certificate 09 Aug 1854, at > 122 Charles St, Blue Town; no mention of any family, not even his wife. > The description of informer: Grace Creber 'X' her mark, present at the > death. The Creber's also came from Devon and may have been family > friends. > > I thought it was odd that there is no mention of Thomas's wife or his > birth place. Maybe you can tell me if it was normal for those times, not > to mention these things. > > The BRIGGS surname seems more prevalent in Yorkshire than elsewhere and > as BRIGGS is a very large one name study, I don't think I can do it > alone. I welcome people like Victor to help out. > > Kind regards > > Ann Spiro > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > Hi Ann: You have a fairly unusual document there then, despite seeing > rather a lot of marriage certificates, I have yet to see a marriage > which lists both parents so you have something rather unique there >