Hi Jane I don't know at what point they introduced a stipulation that proof needed to be furnished but much later than the period in question (1960's?) Much would depend upon the Registrar and how good the parent(s) were at telling porkies :-) Now I am a tad confused as the only Harold SPROSON I can find with a mother Bertha has a father *Albert* Harold is 4 months old and the parents state they have been married *7* years Is this your family? they are in Chorlton just outside Manchester Next problem is I don't see a marriage for an Albert SPROSON to a Bertha OR a 1915 marriage between SPROSON & HALL Could you clarify please Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/06/2012 22:01, Jane Woodall wrote: > Hi folks > > Just wondering – when registering a birth c 1910-1915 – did the > parent have to produce a marriage certificate to prove the child was > not illegitimate? > > I’m trying to help a friend trace her family tree in Manchester. Her > great grandfather Arthur Sproson is on the 1911 census with ‘wife’ > Bertha and baby Harold saying they had been married a year. Harold > was registered in 1910 as Hall, Bertha’s maiden name and the couple > didn’t actually marry until 1915. > > Bertha died in 1921 and Arthur remarried to Louisa Kilpatrick, who > had an illegitimate daughter Nora Kilpatrick around 1906. Arthur and > Louisa soon had a son Albert – and in addition to Harold and Louisa’s > daughter, he had two other half-siblings Ida and Arthur. The only > ones I can find are Ida and Arthur Sproson, 1912 and 1915 – mother’s > maiden name Stott... but I can’t find a Sproson –Stott marriage. > There are two Stott women in Prestwich in the 1911 census – one I can > find a marriage for, the other, Sybil, I can’t find a marriage for. > > As Arthur and Bertha didn’t marry till 1915, it is possible he left > her and had two children with the Stott lady... but am I right in > thinking as they were registered as Sproson the parents must have > been married and proved that when registering them? Or could Sybil?? > Stott go along and claim to be Mrs Sproson and register the two > children under their father’s name? > > Hope that makes sense""! > > thanks in anticipation > > Jane

Soon as posted that I found the marriage in 1915 Marriages Mar 1915 Hall Bertha A Sproson Manchester 8d 339 Spros[oe]n Albert R Hall Manchester 8d 339 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/06/2012 22:58, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Jane > > I don't know at what point they introduced a stipulation that proof > needed to be furnished but much later than the period in question (1960's?) > > Much would depend upon the Registrar and how good the parent(s) were at > telling porkies :-) > > Now I am a tad confused as the only Harold SPROSON I can find with a > mother Bertha has a father *Albert* > > Harold is 4 months old and the parents state they have been married *7* > years > > Is this your family? they are in Chorlton just outside Manchester > > Next problem is I don't see a marriage for an Albert SPROSON to a Bertha > OR a 1915 marriage between SPROSON & HALL > > Could you clarify please > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Nivard yes that's the family - sorry - am getting my Arthur's and Albert's mixed up! thanks for clarity on the proof - I've suggested we get one of the birth certificates to get the mum's name and will see if I can get back further from that. Jane -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 11:02 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Query about registering a birth Soon as posted that I found the marriage in 1915 Marriages Mar 1915 Hall Bertha A Sproson Manchester 8d 339 Spros[oe]n Albert R Hall Manchester 8d 339 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/06/2012 22:58, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Jane > > I don't know at what point they introduced a stipulation that proof > needed to be furnished but much later than the period in question > (1960's?) > > Much would depend upon the Registrar and how good the parent(s) were at > telling porkies :-) > > Now I am a tad confused as the only Harold SPROSON I can find with a > mother Bertha has a father *Albert* > > Harold is 4 months old and the parents state they have been married *7* > years > > Is this your family? they are in Chorlton just outside Manchester > > Next problem is I don't see a marriage for an Albert SPROSON to a Bertha > OR a 1915 marriage between SPROSON & HALL > > Could you clarify please > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message