Hi Lin, On reading your email again. I can see your point. I was a little tired last night, as you might have gathered. I think I`ve found Margaret, his wife in 1911, and she is indeed a widow, living on her own. But everything else fits so I am really puzzled now. I have found a possible,  death for John in Dec 1902. It would be odd nearly 8 years later to present a watch to him and it has me puzzled, there no seem to be any likely candidates about. So I`m stuck at a brick wall now. I`ve checked the inscription and it reads. "To John Thompson, in recognition of his faithful services from Mrs Von Halle & family January 1910". It seems Morits or Moritz the head has died in the March quarter. Maybe all the servants were presented with something at this time. Perplexed and Puzzled, but fresh for further challenges. I`m hoping to get into my local library this afternoon but everything I`d planned to look for has gone pear shaped. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to let me have the information last night Lin. Hope you have luck with your own research. George. >________________________________ > From: Lin <dml5481@hotmail.com> >To: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com>; YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012, 22:05 >Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] John Thompson & Von Halle family in Bradford > .  > >George > >I hate to dash your hopes, but don't think this is your John in 1901. > >From 1901 census Bradford, Yorks RG13//4158 folio 43 page 26 > >John THOMPSON 49, mar, coachman, born Donnington, Lincs >Margaret THOMPSON, 44, mar, Doncaster, Yorks >Emmiline THOMPSON, dau, 17, clog iron mender, Badford, Yorks > >(JohnWilliam married Margaret  Beach STEELS in 1892 Manningham. He was a widower, occupation, coachman, father James, a cordwainer) > >On 1891 census Manningham RG12/3633 folio 29 page 19 > > >Jas THOMPSON head, 68, shoemaker >JnoW THOMPSON, son, widr, 38,  coachman domestic ,Dunnington on Bane, Lincs, >Emmeline THOMPSON, , aged 7 born Bradford >Frances W THOMPSON, aged 10, born Bradford > >1881 census RG11/4462 folio 118 page 9 Manningham > >JohnWm THOMPSON. head, aged 28, coachman, born Donnington on Bain, Lincs >Charlotte THOMPSON, wife aged 25, born Lincolnshire >John THOMPSON aged 8, born Gt Grimsby >Frances THOMPSON aged 10 months, born Bradford > >John William was deceased on Emmeline's marriage in 1908.to George Henry WEATHERALL so wouldn't think he would have been given a watch in 1910. > > > >Lin > > >PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 19/08/2012 20:34, George Carter wrote: > >With the help of Nivard, Ann, Maureen & Jean, I think I`ve found a pairing of John Thompson and a Von Halle family who were living in Eaton Bradford in 1901. The John Thompson was a Coachman Groom.(Thanks Maureen for that). The only thing that has me wondering about the findings is that on todays, map It`s about 3 miles by road from Park Drive, where the Von Halle family were living and Canary Street, where John Thompson was living. I expected to find him a bit nearer than that.  Has anyone any experience of servants living away from the home of the employer in the 19th and early 20th century?. I know today it wouldn`t take long to bob from one address to the other, but it seems a bit far in the time before the motor car. I expected him to be close to hand. There is a possibility that the streets on todays map don`t correspond where they were in 1901 has anyone any local knowledge? Has anyone any thoughts on this. Thanks for any help. George. ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi George Tried the newspapers to see if I could help: The Bradford Observer (Bradford, England), Monday, February 22, 1875 On the 20th at 3 Oak Villas, the wife of M von Halle, Esq of a daughter The Morning Post (London, England), Monday, November 22, 1897 On the 17th inst at the Synagogue, Bradford, Yorkshire, by the Rev Joseph Strauss PhD, Louis Joseph son of Joseph E Nathan, JP of Wellington, New Zealand to Betty? [the paper is curved here and not very clear] eldest daughter of Maurice Von Halle of Rouse Field, Heaton, Bradford. http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/26361/pages/96/page.pdf Moritz von Halle and the Nathan family mentioned here. Jan 6 1893 What if John and Margaret had split up and were living apart? She might call herself a widow rather than say she had been 'deserted' (or left her husband?) The other possibility - what happened to eight year old John in the 1881 census - could it be the watch was presented to him rather than John who was married to Margaret? good luck! Jane -----Original Message----- From: George Carter Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:33 PM To: Lin ; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] John Thompson & Von Halle family in Bradford Hi Lin, On reading your email again. I can see your point. I was a little tired last night, as you might have gathered. I think I`ve found Margaret, his wife in 1911, and she is indeed a widow, living on her own. But everything else fits so I am really puzzled now. I have found a possible, death for John in Dec 1902. It would be odd nearly 8 years later to present a watch to him and it has me puzzled, there no seem to be any likely candidates about. So I`m stuck at a brick wall now. I`ve checked the inscription and it reads. "To John Thompson, in recognition of his faithful services from Mrs Von Halle & family January 1910". It seems Morits or Moritz the head has died in the March quarter. Maybe all the servants were presented with something at this time. Perplexed and Puzzled, but fresh for further challenges. I`m hoping to get into my local library this afternoon but everything I`d planned to look for has gone pear shaped. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to let me have the information last night Lin. Hope you have luck with your own research. George. >________________________________ > From: Lin <dml5481@hotmail.com> >To: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com>; YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012, 22:05 >Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] John Thompson & Von Halle family in Bradford > . > >George > >I hate to dash your hopes, but don't think this is your John in 1901. > >From 1901 census Bradford, Yorks RG13//4158 folio 43 page 26 > >John THOMPSON 49, mar, coachman, born Donnington, Lincs >Margaret THOMPSON, 44, mar, Doncaster, Yorks >Emmiline THOMPSON, dau, 17, clog iron mender, Badford, Yorks > >(JohnWilliam married Margaret Beach STEELS in 1892 Manningham. He was a >widower, occupation, coachman, father James, a cordwainer) > >On 1891 census Manningham RG12/3633 folio 29 page 19 > > >Jas THOMPSON head, 68, shoemaker >JnoW THOMPSON, son, widr, 38, coachman domestic ,Dunnington on Bane, >Lincs, >Emmeline THOMPSON, , aged 7 born Bradford >Frances W THOMPSON, aged 10, born Bradford > >1881 census RG11/4462 folio 118 page 9 Manningham > >JohnWm THOMPSON. head, aged 28, coachman, born Donnington on Bain, Lincs >Charlotte THOMPSON, wife aged 25, born Lincolnshire >John THOMPSON aged 8, born Gt Grimsby >Frances THOMPSON aged 10 months, born Bradford > >John William was deceased on Emmeline's marriage in 1908.to George Henry >WEATHERALL so wouldn't think he would have been given a watch in 1910. > > > >Lin > > >PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX >FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 19/08/2012 20:34, George Carter wrote: > >With the help of Nivard, Ann, Maureen & Jean, I think I`ve found a pairing >of John Thompson and a Von Halle family who were living in Eaton Bradford >in 1901. The John Thompson was a Coachman Groom.(Thanks Maureen for that). >The only thing that has me wondering about the findings is that on todays, >map It`s about 3 miles by road from Park Drive, where the Von Halle family >were living and Canary Street, where John Thompson was living. I expected >to find him a bit nearer than that. Has anyone any experience of servants living away from the home of the employer in the 19th and early 20th century?. I know today it wouldn`t take long to bob from one address to the other, but it seems a bit far in the time before the motor car. I expected him to be close to hand. There is a possibility that the streets on todays map don`t correspond where they were in 1901 has anyone any local knowledge? Has anyone any thoughts on this. Thanks for any help. George. ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message