I get a little tired of these occasional personal attacks on me. Anyone who has followed me in many mailing lists for quite a number of years now will know and acknowledge that I have done as much - and more - as most to help others with my experience and knowledge gleaned from something like 40 years in genealogy. I have given my time and experience freely and have helped far more people than ever seem to come forward to say so! However, I will not apologise for my view that asking others to do look-ups in censuses and send them images, i.e. using someone else's subscription to aid their researches, is a form of begging. Whatever you may think, it is a blatant breach of the licence you take out with any data suppliers - and that includes family history societies and commercial firms that produce books, fiche, CDs, etc. You are taking money away from data providers who may well have invested a great deal of it (millions perhaps) in bringing the records to us. I have myself on the odd occasion been told off quite harshly by a certain Listowner (not this one) for posting census information I shouldn't have done. I suggest people read the small print of the licence conditions at Ancestry, Findmypast, TheGenealogist and so on. There seems to be a popular view that these are meaningless and can be ignored and that "anything goes", but I happen to know that FMP, for instance, police their records keenly (especially the 1911 census which they had exclusively long before anyone else) and have removed people from their customer bases for breaching the licence. The argument that using FMP to check and correct errors at Ancestry is OK (and vice versa) simply doesn't wash. They are two entirely different companies and organisations and work in different ways and you either subscribe to one or the other or perhaps both, as many do. It's a bit like buying something at Marks & Spencer, finding you don't like it and taking it back to Sainsbury's or Tesco's and asking for your money back - illogical! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Then please stop attacking others and you should find that it has the desired effect.   Maureen     >I get a little tired of these occasional personal attacks on me.

I'm confused. >From Roy's Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History ..... Indeed, lookup requests for all the censuses except 1881 and 1901 are normally only acceptable if you know an address, unless a member of the list has access to a surname index for the particular area. Lin A true friend walks in when the world walks out > From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:03:02 +0100 > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Personal attacks over "begging" > > I get a little tired of these occasional personal attacks on me. > > Anyone who has followed me in many mailing lists for quite a number of years now will know > and acknowledge that I have done as much - and more - as most to help others with my > experience and knowledge gleaned from something like 40 years in genealogy. I have given > my time and experience freely and have helped far more people than ever seem to come > forward to say so! > > However, I will not apologise for my view that asking others to do look-ups in censuses and > send them images, i.e. using someone else's subscription to aid their researches, is a form > of begging. Whatever you may think, it is a blatant breach of the licence you take out with any > data suppliers - and that includes family history societies and commercial firms that produce > books, fiche, CDs, etc. You are taking money away from data providers who may well have > invested a great deal of it (millions perhaps) in bringing the records to us. > > I have myself on the odd occasion been told off quite harshly by a certain Listowner (not this > one) for posting census information I shouldn't have done. > > I suggest people read the small print of the licence conditions at Ancestry, Findmypast, > TheGenealogist and so on. There seems to be a popular view that these are meaningless > and can be ignored and that "anything goes", but I happen to know that FMP, for instance, > police their records keenly (especially the 1911 census which they had exclusively long > before anyone else) and have removed people from their customer bases for breaching the > licence. > > The argument that using FMP to check and correct errors at Ancestry is OK (and vice versa) > simply doesn't wash. They are two entirely different companies and organisations and work in > different ways and you either subscribe to one or the other or perhaps both, as many do. It's > a bit like buying something at Marks & Spencer, finding you don't like it and taking it back to > Sainsbury's or Tesco's and asking for your money back - illogical! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message