Put your money on self interest, why shouldn't people play the game with religion after all, those who knew better than ordinary folk had been flip flopping around with religion for centuries (when it suited them) and forcing the peasantry to do so too. So why not the Hoi Polio ? Good on them. Pete Broadley Yorkie down under -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of yorksgen-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 02 October 2012 12:10 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 439 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Why change faith (roy.stockdill@btinternet.com) 2. Re: Why change faith (Martin Briscoe) 3. Re: Why change faith (Patsy Crotty) 4. Re: Why change faith (Colin B. Withers) 5. Re: Why change faith (Robert Burns) 6. Re: Why change faith (Victor Markham) 7. Will for Peter Plumpton (d. 1661), Isle of Axholme? (Mark E. Dixon) 8. Hannah Sarah Woodhead (mmarion@rogers.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 12:43:15 +0100 From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith To: Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com>, "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <506981D3.22273.676DA2@roy.stockdill.btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: Mollie <molliemln@yahoo.co.uk> > The likely reason would be that the family were in need of Parish > relief.? This was administered by the C of E.? > That is certainly one reason. However, if you have ever heard a lecture or read articles by Mike Gandy, one of the leading UK experts on Nonconformism, he would tell you that people were changing faiths and "dropping in and out" of various denominations all the time. It often wasn't a hard and fast and unchangeable ruling. Consider, for instance, the fact that a married couple might have different faiths! Perhaps the husband was CoE and the wife Methodist. Might they not have come to an agreement to have some of the children baptised into one church and others in another? I can think of other reasons. If they weren't particularly devout or steadfast in their religion, they might have found it convenient to have children baptised in whichever church or chapel was the nearest when they moved home. We shouldn't always look for complicated reasons when the truth is actually much simpler! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 12:56:01 +0100 From: "Martin Briscoe" <martin@mbriscoe.me.uk> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004b01cd9fcb$ba9e33c0$2fda9b40$@me.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Could it also sometimes be advantageous to have the same denomination as a potential employer? Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 22:09:45 +1000 From: "Patsy Crotty" <pcrotty@vtown.com.au> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith To: <martin@mbriscoe.me.uk>, <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <005e01cd9fcd$a562cc80$f0286580$@vtown.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Vicar of Bray certainly thought so!! (Google him for the song.) Patsy Crotty -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Briscoe Sent: Monday, 1 October 2012 9:56 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith Could it also sometimes be advantageous to have the same denomination as a potential employer? Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:18:47 +0200 From: "Colin B. Withers" <Colin.Withers@eumetsat.int> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith To: "'roy.stockdill@btinternet.com'" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com>, "Robert Burns" <famh1story@aim.com>, "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B293F9025AB9DF4BBD3BC3403F25DA45016551F90CD0@EXW10.eum.root.eumetsat.int> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Roy is right. My family were all C of E, but when we moved house I was sent to the local Methodist Sunday School, just because it was near and convenient. Colin -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:43 PM To: Robert Burns; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith From: Mollie <molliemln@yahoo.co.uk> > The likely reason would be that the family were in need of Parish > relief.? This was administered by the C of E.? > That is certainly one reason. However, if you have ever heard a lecture or read articles by Mike Gandy, one of the leading UK experts on Nonconformism, he would tell you that people were changing faiths and "dropping in and out" of various denominations all the time. It often wasn't a hard and fast and unchangeable ruling. Consider, for instance, the fact that a married couple might have different faiths! Perhaps the husband was CoE and the wife Methodist. Might they not have come to an agreement to have some of the children baptised into one church and others in another? I can think of other reasons. If they weren't particularly devout or steadfast in their religion, they might have found it convenient to have children baptised in whichever church or chapel was the nearest when they moved home. We shouldn't always look for complicated reasons when the truth is actually much simpler! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 09:58:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith To: Colin.Withers@eumetsat.int, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com, yorksgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CF6DF3F851B2CD-1F2C-6985A@Webmail-d114.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Colin, As I said to Roy privately I would normally agree however in this case the established church was much nearer than the Baptist church the first 4 were registered with. Its not important I was just trying to put ideas into my head Rob -----Original Message----- From: Colin B. Withers <Colin.Withers@eumetsat.int> To: 'roy.stockdill@btinternet.com' <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com>; Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com>; yorksgen <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:18 pm Subject: RE: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith Roy is right. My family were all C of E, but when we moved house I was sent to the local Methodist Sunday School, just because it was near and convenient. Colin -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:43 PM To: Robert Burns; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith From: Mollie <molliemln@yahoo.co.uk> > The likely reason would be that the family were in need of Parish > relief. This was administered by the C of E. > That is certainly one reason. However, if you have ever heard a lecture or read articles by Mike Gandy, one of the leading UK experts on Nonconformism, he would tell you that people were changing faiths and "dropping in and out" of various denominations all the time. It often wasn't a hard and fast and unchangeable ruling. Consider, for instance, the fact that a married couple might have different faiths! Perhaps the husband was CoE and the wife Methodist. Might they not have come to an agreement to have some of the children baptised into one church and others in another? I can think of other reasons. If they weren't particularly devout or steadfast in their religion, they might have found it convenient to have children baptised in whichever church or chapel was the nearest when they moved home. We shouldn't always look for complicated reasons when the truth is actually much simpler! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:13:59 +0100 From: Victor Markham <victor@markham.me.uk> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith Cc: "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5069A527.8030407@markham.me.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I was in Ottawa last June meeting my cousins for the first time. The cousin drove me round the area and we passed a Roman Catholic school. She told me her grand children attend that school even though are not Catholics. They were able to attend because they were good at French. All the areas of Canada, with two exceptions they use dual French and English every where. The two exceptions are Quebec which will not allow English signs. But go into a hotel or restaurant they understood my English. The other exception is Nova Scotia which sticks to English only. Some of the town signs do have an alternative translations...in Gaelic! Victor On 01/10/2012 2:18 PM, Colin B. Withers wrote: > Roy is right. > > My family were all C of E, but when we moved house I was sent to the local Methodist Sunday School, just because it was near and convenient. > > Colin > > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:43 PM > To: Robert Burns; yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith > > From: Mollie <molliemln@yahoo.co.uk> > >> The likely reason would be that the family were in need of Parish >> relief. This was administered by the C of E. > > That is certainly one reason. However, if you have ever heard a lecture or read articles by > Mike Gandy, one of the leading UK experts on Nonconformism, he would tell you that people > were changing faiths and "dropping in and out" of various denominations all the time. It often > wasn't a hard and fast and unchangeable ruling. > > Consider, for instance, the fact that a married couple might have different faiths! Perhaps the > husband was CoE and the wife Methodist. Might they not have come to an agreement to > have some of the children baptised into one church and others in another? > > I can think of other reasons. If they weren't particularly devout or steadfast in their religion, > they might have found it convenient to have children baptised in whichever church or chapel > was the nearest when they moved home. We shouldn't always look for complicated reasons > when the truth is actually much simpler! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:59:32 -0400 From: "Mark E. Dixon" <dixon_mark@verizon.net> Subject: [YORKSGEN] Will for Peter Plumpton (d. 1661), Isle of Axholme? To: <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B045F5DF25464E52810524E240BCF0F1@MarkPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone have access to wills for Yorkshire, Isle of Axholme, who might do a lookup? I'm looking for a will for Peter Plumpton (a son of William Plumpton, d. 13 Jan. 1601/02, bur. Spofforth) who died unmarried in 1661. He is reputed to have been a brother to early New England immigrant John Plympton, who married Jane Dummin/Damand and was killed by Indians in 1677. Thanks! Mark E. Dixon Wayne, Pa. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:09:51 -0700 (PDT) From: mmarion@rogers.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Hannah Sarah Woodhead To: "YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com" <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1349143791.55703.YahooMailNeo@web162101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hannah Sarah Woodhead daughter of Peter and Susannah Woodhead of Shelf, Yorkshire born 1822.? She is present with family in the 1841 and 1851 England Census.? She is not present in 1861. She dies on the 19th of July 1868 at Workington, Cumberland.? She dies of necrosis of bones of foot, for four years.? Thos S. Douglas in attendance, Elizabeth Street Workington. She had a probate and lists the same Doctor and Reverend James Rennie in that document, no family. So where is she in 1861? How did a girl born in 1822 in Shelf, single, get to the other side of England in Cumberland and dies alone? And have anything to put in probate? I wonder if she went to Cockermouth for her health? Or was she a housekeeper, nannie, teacher? Any help or advice would be appreciated.? Margaret Marion, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ To contact the YORKSGEN list administrator, send an email to YORKSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the YORKSGEN mailing list, send an email to YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 439 ****************************************