Taken from gov.uk website "Children, grandchildren and other relatives of adopted adults can now trace back through their ancestors’ lives - helping them to unearth their family history, discover more about their medical background and reach out to long-lost relatives under new rules introduced today. Previously, only the person adopted and their birth relatives were able to use specialised adoption agencies to help shed light on their family history and make contact with their biological family members. The new rules will extend this right to all relatives of adopted adults, from children and grandchildren to partners and adoptive relatives, allowing greater openness in adoption while ensuring adopted people have the right to a private, family life. For example, those who have lost a parent to cancer or a heart problem will be able to discover whether their grandparents or other birth relatives suffered from the same condition, giving them the chance to seek advice and support". Lin https://www.gov.uk/government/news/relatives-of-adopted-adults-now-able-to-trace-family-tree

Thanks for the link Lin, that sounds as though it may be very useful to me. I've been trying to find out if my late father was legally adopted, or just chose to change his name, for a number of years now, without success. Until now(well, November 2014), I've not had the legal right to enquire into it. He was born Cyril Henry Plummer in 1926, out of wedlock and without a named father on his birth certificate. Two years later his next sibling, John Raymond was also born out of wedlock, and he too bore my grandmother's name, Plummer, and again, no father's name on his birth certificate. At some point between his birth and then marriage in 1946, his name changed to Kettlewell and he gave a Thomas Kettlewell as his father on his wedding certificate - my gran did marry a Thomas Kettlewell, at the end 1928. But whether or not he was adopted or maybe just had his named changed, so that he 'fitted in' easier at school, and in the then, small village of Copmanthorpe, I've been unable to prove. Incidentally, his brother John Raymond kept the surname Plummer f! rom birth to death, which may indicate that my father wasn't adopted and may have just changed his name for his own convenience. If my father didn't change his name by a common Deed Poll(I've already checked if it was an Enrolled Deed Poll, and it wasn't), does anyone here know the legitimacy of my birth name and that of my siblings, as Kettlewells, and also that of our offspring? I'm not expecting a legal answer, but I'm hoping that there may be someone on here that has been brought up in similar circumstances. Mike Researching: Casper(Prussia pre 1820); Plummer(Wass/Ampleforth pre 1803): Hartas/Stockton(Spaunton/Farndale pre 1720s); Beswick(North Burton/Burton Fleming pre 1770); Marwood(Brompton by Northallerton pre 1630); Christelow(Middleton St. George pre 1773); Chew(Burton Fleming pre 1704); Blenkin/Blencan(Settrington pre1550); Coulby(Settrington pre 1580); Willeson(Settrington pre 1560s); Blackwell(Settrington pre 1592). ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 15/10/2014 - 22:21 (GMTDT) To : [email protected] Subject : [YORKSGEN] Tracing birth family for adopted children - changes Taken from gov.uk website "Children, grandchildren and other relatives of adopted adults can now trace back through their ancestors’ lives - helping them to unearth their family history, discover more about their medical background and reach out to long-lost relatives under new rules introduced today. Previously, only the person adopted and their birth relatives were able to use specialised adoption agencies to help shed light on their family history and make contact with their biological family members. The new rules will extend this right to all relatives of adopted adults, from children and grandchildren to partners and adoptive relatives, allowing greater openness in adoption while ensuring adopted people have the right to a private, family life. For example, those who have lost a parent to cancer or a heart problem will be able to discover whether their grandparents or other birth relatives suffered from the same condition, giving them the chance to seek advice and support". Lin https://www.gov.uk/government/news/relatives-of-adopted-adults-now-able-to-trace-family-tree Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links to more useful websites - www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk www.yorkshireparishregisters.com www.yorkshireroots.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all This is an interesting case and rings bells re one I have been working on. A researcher for the Fromelles association, my task is looking for living relatives who could be donors of DNA to identify the soldier (possibly one of those exhumed from a mass grave in France after 2008) One of the soldiers Stanley Byfield King was born a SMITH, his mother Miss Smith, then unmarried. But at some time he changed his name to KING. he came from Stanley a tiny little town on the north coast of Tasmania Because it seemed we would never find a male dna match for him, I started to look more closely at this name change and possible father. by coincidence his mother's twin sister married a King. I thought AHA! and followed his line back which went to a convict named KING but AKA SMITH. Although at the time, the only King in the approx age group in the town was a Charles King who never married. Having been looking in various places, a Tasmanian guy from the King family contacted me. He had been to the Fromelles Ceremony for his great uncle Mervyn King who also died at Fromelles and saw Stanley's name on the memorial list and decided to do a bit of research on him. Their branch of the King family came from Byfield in Northants, with a grandmother Byfield, and settled in Stanley, Tas, not related to the convict. So this additional information showed that the KING side of the family accepted Stanley as one of theirs, and was the son of the unmarried Charles. No docs to support. I dont know at what stage his name was changed - probably the whole town probably knew at the time. So perhaps the Kettlewells know all about it. Researching their tree may be part of the answer, perhaps there will be people who know the answer. Our result is we have a donor of DNA for Stanley and he has a cousin in the same cemetery and his KING and SMITH family remember him. This is the nearest we will get. If anyone is interested in helping with researching soldiers buried at Fromelles we are in need of researchers in the UK to help us with parts of our research, particularly the stage after 1900. We are now down to looking at Aussie soldiers all born in UK who migrated on their own ( the earlry 1900s versions of back packers). They are our biggest brick walls. Contact me off line for more information. kind regards Marg O'Leary Fromelles Association. -----Original Message----- From: MICHAEL KETTLEWELL via Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 8:55 AM To: Lin ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Tracing birth family for adopted children - changes Thanks for the link Lin, that sounds as though it may be very useful to me. I've been trying to find out if my late father was legally adopted, or just chose to change his name, for a number of years now, without success. Until now(well, November 2014), I've not had the legal right to enquire into it. He was born Cyril Henry Plummer in 1926, out of wedlock and without a named father on his birth certificate. Two years later his next sibling, John Raymond was also born out of wedlock, and he too bore my grandmother's name, Plummer, and again, no father's name on his birth certificate. At some point between his birth and then marriage in 1946, his name changed to Kettlewell and he gave a Thomas Kettlewell as his father on his wedding certificate - my gran did marry a Thomas Kettlewell, at the end 1928. But whether or not he was adopted or maybe just had his named changed, so that he 'fitted in' easier at school, and in the then, small village of Copmanthorpe, I've been unable to prove. Incidentally, his brother John Raymond kept the surname Plummer from birth to death, which may indicate that my father wasn't adopted and may have just changed his name for his own convenience. If my father didn't change his name by a common Deed Poll(I've already checked if it was an Enrolled Deed Poll, and it wasn't), does anyone here know the legitimacy of my birth name and that of my siblings, as Kettlewells, and also that of our offspring? I'm not expecting a legal answer, but I'm hoping that there may be someone on here that has been brought up in similar circumstances. Mike Researching: Casper(Prussia pre 1820); Plummer(Wass/Ampleforth pre 1803): Hartas/Stockton(Spaunton/Farndale pre 1720s); Beswick(North Burton/Burton Fleming pre 1770); Marwood(Brompton by Northallerton pre 1630); Christelow(Middleton St. George pre 1773); Chew(Burton Fleming pre 1704); Blenkin/Blencan(Settrington pre1550); Coulby(Settrington pre 1580); Willeson(Settrington pre 1560s); Blackwell(Settrington pre 1592). ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 15/10/2014 - 22:21 (GMTDT) To : [email protected] Subject : [YORKSGEN] Tracing birth family for adopted children - changes Taken from gov.uk website "Children, grandchildren and other relatives of adopted adults can now trace back through their ancestors’ lives - helping them to unearth their family history, discover more about their medical background and reach out to long-lost relatives under new rules introduced today. Previously, only the person adopted and their birth relatives were able to use specialised adoption agencies to help shed light on their family history and make contact with their biological family members. The new rules will extend this right to all relatives of adopted adults, from children and grandchildren to partners and adoptive relatives, allowing greater openness in adoption while ensuring adopted people have the right to a private, family life. For example, those who have lost a parent to cancer or a heart problem will be able to discover whether their grandparents or other birth relatives suffered from the same condition, giving them the chance to seek advice and support". Lin https://www.gov.uk/government/news/relatives-of-adopted-adults-now-able-to-trace-family-tree Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links to more useful websites - www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk www.yorkshireparishregisters.com www.yorkshireroots.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Some useful websites - FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links to more useful websites - www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk www.yorkshireparishregisters.com www.yorkshireroots.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message