I've been watching this thread, which is (as Peter says) rather important. I've been surprised that no-one has enunciated the simple principle that so many of us follow: this is, record a place or address as it was at the time the event referred to happened. This means using the data that was available to our forebears, and recognising that contemporary readers may need to do some mental adjustment. So, "Yorkshire" not "East Yorkshire" nor "East Riding" nor (definitely not) "Humberside". It also means "Gold Coast" not "Ghana", "Straits Settlements" not "Malaysia" or even "Malaya", "Galicia, Austria" not "Poland" or "Ukraine", and so forth. Be historically faithful, both to your sources and to your forebears. Rod Moulding -----Original Message----- From: Peter Lee via Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 8:08 PM To: Janet Peacock via ; Peter J. Richardson ; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates This is an important thread because it goes to the heart of why many of us do family history; to find out where we come from and what our inheritance is. However, at first I was very surprised by your statement Janet that you still pay your tax to the East Riding council. Surely, I thought, she can’t be right the East Riding was abolished in 1974! But I have just looked at Wikipedia and this is what they say: “The East Riding of Yorkshire, or simply East Yorkshire, is a ceremonial county<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_counties_of_England> of England<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>. It is located in the region of Yorkshire and the Humber<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_and_the_Humber>. It is a local government district<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-metropolitan_district> with unitary authority<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_authority> status. For ceremonial purposes the county also includes the city of Kingston upon Hull<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_upon_Hull>, which is a separate unitary authority. It is named after the historic<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic_counties_of_England> East Riding<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riding_(country_subdivision)> of Yorkshire<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire> (one of three ridings alongside the North Riding<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Riding_of_Yorkshire> and West Riding<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Riding_of_Yorkshire>), which also constituted a ceremonial and administrative county<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_counties_of_England> until 1974. From 1974 to 1996 the area of the modern East Riding of Yorkshire constituted the northern part of the non-metropolitan county of Humberside<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humberside>. At the 2011 Census the Unitary Authority population was 334,179.[2]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Riding_of_Yorkshire#cite_note-2>” I don’t think the same coincidence of name goes for the old West Riding , which is a shame. Wikipedia has good articles on the history, etc. Of Yorkshire. As for me, as I said in an earlier post; if the ancestor was born in the West Riding , that’s how I’ll record it! Peter in France (where they are reorganising the local government regions AGAIN!) Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Janet Peacock via<mailto:yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 02 April 2016 17:09 To: Peter J. Richardson<mailto:pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com>; yorksgen@rootsweb.com<mailto:yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates Sorry, Peter, but I can't let that one go, either ----- I live in the East Riding & pay my council tax to the East Riding of Yorkshire Council. And there is nothing 'sentimental' about that! So Local Government still acknowledges the use of the Ridings, even in the 21st century. My comment about the Post Office, Victor, reflects the fact that many postcodes in the East Riding of Yorkshire begin 'YO'. This, according to the Post Office puts them in North Yorkshire & I have had 'discussions' with Post Office staff who insist that Pocklington, Driffield, Market Weighton etc are in North Yorkshire not East Yorkshire. Many gazetteers stick to the same misconception & it is often impossible to change them manually. I suppose Kingston-on-Thames pre-dates Kingston-upon-Hull, being known originally as just 'Kingston'; whereas Kingston-upon-Hull was known as 'Wyke-on-Hull' until receiving its Royal Charter in the 13th century. What irritates my partner is when the media refer to the football team as 'Hull', instead of 'Hull City' ----- he's a fan of Hull FC, the rugby club! And we were both born in that fair city (with both birthdays coming up in April) Whatever cities or counties are called by the politicians & administrators, traditions & personal loyalties will remain & that, Peter, is not merely sentiment, but heredity & culture. Janet -----Original Message----- From: Peter J. Richardson via Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:06 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates Hello Janet On 31 March 2016 at 11:05, Janet Peacock <JanMPeacock@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > What do you mean, Peter, by 'after the Ridings disappeared'? If you look at any county map published after 1974 the word "Riding" does not appear. Whilst we might for sentimental reasons wish to retain the labels that existed when we were young there will come a time when there is nobody left in Yorkshire who was born before 1974, and unless the Ridings make a reappearance between now and then the label will pass into history. > They have not disappeared. > > As you point out, 'South Yorkshire' is classed as a metropolitan county &, > to many > people this causes frustration ---- not only from a genealogical point of > view, but in > modern day activities, too. As, of course, does the use of the much hated > 'Humberside' > which only exists for Police etc., though the Post Office still clings to > it > 20 years after > its abolition! As local government structures become more complicated and haphazard I am starting to wonder whether the whole concept of counties as we used to know them will pass into history. 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