I have the quaker record of a birth which I am happy to say has lots of interesting information of. It does however have some letters on and I wonder if someone might know what they stand for. The birth details are clear but then it says: Present Jane Haynes m (then r just above that) H Amy Downs m (then r just above that) A ff(I think)ra: Lacks m (then r just above that) F L Thank you. June

Hi all I wondered if there are any SWEENEY researchers or anyone that might offer anything useful on this man He left evidence of graffiti in a building and a facebook poster is asking if anyone can help on him Facebook post below Hi, everyone, trying to solve a mystery that has intrigued lots of people. in a building in York there is some graffiti left by soldiers and in particular one who left quite a lot of info. namely Pte. J T Sweeney of Sheffield, A Coy. 10th West Yorkshire Regt. Sept. 14th 1940. I have found a death on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site in 1944 but he was a private in the Pioneer Corps., service no. 35133. He was the son of John Thomas + Emily Sweeney and the husband of Christiana. It would be good to find out if they were the same person, but I don't know much about researching military records, might he have changed regiments etc. Can anyone help, thanks. The latter man has been traced to a James Thomas SWEENEY b1904 Sheffield, he married Christiana NEWMAN in 1929 But whether its the same man is hard to say -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Sweeney fans, For a few years in the 1950s, we had a schoolmate named Darwin Sweeney at schools in the Newton area of Surrey, British Columbia. He was the only Sweeney I've ever come across in my 70+ years... He might be traceable... Ellen ellenonpine@shaw.ca -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:09 AM To: Yorkshire Rootsweb Subject: [YORKSGEN] J T SWEENEY of Sheffield A Company 10th West Yorkshireregt 1940 Hi all I wondered if there are any SWEENEY researchers or anyone that might offer anything useful on this man He left evidence of graffiti in a building and a facebook poster is asking if anyone can help on him Facebook post below Hi, everyone, trying to solve a mystery that has intrigued lots of people. in a building in York there is some graffiti left by soldiers and in particular one who left quite a lot of info. namely Pte. J T Sweeney of Sheffield, A Coy. 10th West Yorkshire Regt. Sept. 14th 1940. I have found a death on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site in 1944 but he was a private in the Pioneer Corps., service no. 35133. He was the son of John Thomas + Emily Sweeney and the husband of Christiana. It would be good to find out if they were the same person, but I don't know much about researching military records, might he have changed regiments etc. Can anyone help, thanks. The latter man has been traced to a James Thomas SWEENEY b1904 Sheffield, he married Christiana NEWMAN in 1929 But whether its the same man is hard to say -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You may get something from the following sites http://www.geni.com/projects/Abbreviations-Acronyms-for-Genealogy-The-Accepted/3096 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~quakers/quakdefs.htm Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "June via" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> I have the quaker record of a birth which I am happy to say has lots of interesting information of. It does however have some letters on and I wonder if someone might know what they stand for. The birth details are clear but then it says: Present Jane Haynes m (then r just above that) H Amy Downs m (then r just above that) A ff(I think)ra: Lacks m (then r just above that) F L Thank you. June

Published in Victoria Times Colonist from Jan. 16 to Jan. 17, 2016 - Photo with obit JoanBondesen Obituary BONDESEN, Joan Joan Bondesen, 94, of Victoria, BC died peacefully on January 10, 2016, at Berwick House in Saanich, BC. She was born November 3, 1921 in York, England to Samuel and Lily Ankers, before immigrating to Canada as a child. Joan was a riveter in WWII, before marrying Walter in 1945. Joan and Walter moved to Victoria, where they lived together for 70 years. While raising her family, Joan enjoyed singing in a choir, hiking with her walking group, playing bridge, and gardening. She was blessed with many good friends and neighbours. She made mouthwatering black current pie. Joan was predeceased by her husband, and her son, Mark, and is survived by son, Jim (Carmen) and daughter, Kerry (Norm), as well as six grandchildren and seven great-grandchildren. The family wishes to thank the staff at Berwick House on Shelbourne Street, where Joan received excellent care in her final year. A celebration of Joan's life will be held at 2:30pm on Friday, February 19, 2016 at McCall's Funeral Home, 1400 Vancouver St. (at Johnson), Victoria, BC. Condolences may be offered atwww.mccallbros.com <http://www.mccallbros.com/> No relation, passed for list info only - --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Lin, Yes I have the daughters baptisms from that site. A lot more records going online for Ireland now. As you can see by the record they have only Elizabeth as mother no surname. Like you the middle name Lee in my 2nd Great Grandfather was mentioned on my 3rd Great Grandfathers second marriage and that is the only time I have ever seen it mentioned. I have alsoseen marriages for Caroline and Amelia one in Scotland and one in Ireland and nothing yet for the eldest girl Katherine. there is also no baptism for George Place the portrait painter and that is why I am still hoping to find my Alexander as a son to Alexander PLACE the linen draper in some other Church. the reason why I haven't thought that maybe his was a spinster birth to a woman named LEE is because as I mentioned in my posting several days ago is that my great grandfather had two brothers, one either side of him in age. both those brothers have a descendant who has tested their ydna and they match with other ea! rlier PLACE families in the 1600's , so I know , Alexander was a PLACE,but don't as yet know where the LEE comes from. We do think it possible we are on the right track in Ireland, thugh the marriage may not have taken placein Dublin, he was there as early as 1775 when his Haberdashery business took off. I have seen the newspapers where he is mentionedi n ads. And possibly LEE was the surname of Elizabeth the wife of Alexander PLACE. If only we could find the marriage It is hard when you do live so far away. Most records can be seen in a subscription or online, but occasionally there are documents that can only be viewed in the Archives. I was told there was a pedigree chart with the marriage of Alexander PLACE to Elizabeth LEE but I have never seen it first hand. As you know we have to confirmed everything, you cannot do that if you haven't seen the article with your own eyes. It was a LEE pedigree not a PLACE one. I have many of them for Yorkshire etc. Thanks Lin for responding Edie Tasmania ------------------------------------------ From: Lin <dml5481@hotmail.com> To: eamca@bigpond.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Robert Weldrake/Weldrich etc and variants Edie Have you looked at this site? http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/ Could see two baptism transcript for Alexander's daughter's but sadly no image as yet. I was lucky to find my elusive 2x great grandfather's baptism on this site and from that was able to locate his death in Hull. He was given the middle name Richard which he only ever used on one of his children's marriage certificate. After fruitless searches in Hull there was one with that middle name so sent for the certificate and it turned out to be the correct one. Lin On 13 January 2016, at 23:09, eamca via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: Jane, I was interested in your case as I too have an elusive ancestor who was married and died in Halifax, West Riding. I have no idea where he was born or to whom like your Robert. Though yours wasnt from the same part of Yorkshire. Ireland became a contender to look for me, when I discovered the baptism of a Alexander PLACE, too early for mine but a good father for him , this one was baptised in North Molton, Devon 1735 to George and Mary. Then nothing else for him there or his parents. George being a prominent name in my family early on. Alexander and Georges used as first and second names. Then in the National Archive, I found a Contract between a Alexander PLACE, linen draper, Dublin and three English men to find minerals to be used in art, in County Cavan. So the search has been on ever since to find the marriage of this Alexander Place, who baptised three daughters at St Johns in Dublin where he was a Church Warden and his wife Elizabeth, there is no surname for her but it is possibly Lee as my confirmed Alexander Place gave Lee as a second name to his son Alexander Lee Place born Halifax wry in 1821, he died aged 15 in 1837 before registration. So I know your frustration and many other fo! lk too. With my known Alexander I have seen quite a few adverts in the paper. I have two burial ages, in 1835, 51/57, so one might think that neither are right. I do not have the Irish Linen Drapers death date either, but it should be before 1835 as that would be a hundred years if it is the Devon Alexander PLACE. I have this hunch that since I cannot find the linen draper s marriage or death, it could have been in the Catholic Church, St Johns where the daughters are baptised is Church of Ireland. He might have married a Catholic lady and there may be some sons baptised there, named Alexander. I know he had one son George Place the miniature portrait painter as I have seen Georges death notice that says he was son of a Linen Drape,r 2 Essex Street Dublin, which is the address of Alexander, so dont give up on Ireland as yet as maybe we will both find our ancestor there. I have yet to see another linen draper who lived in 2 Essex street with a surname PLACE, so at the moment Al! exander is the only linen draper in Dublin with that surname, but he may have had brothers that havent surfaced. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Jane Woodall <jane.woodall@virgin.net> To: eamca@bigpond.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: RE:Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire thanks very much Edie and everyone who has offered ideas. First off - yes I mistyped. Robert and Susannah had their son John baptised in Birstall parish church in 1708. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jane, I was interested in your case as I too have an elusive ancestor who was married and died in Halifax, West Riding. I have no idea where he was born or to whom like your Robert. Though yours wasnt from the same part of Yorkshire. Ireland became a contender to look for me, when I discovered the baptism of a Alexander PLACE, too early for mine but a good father for him , this one was baptised in North Molton, Devon 1735 to George and Mary. Then nothing else for him there or his parents. George being a prominent name in my family early on. Alexander and Georges used as first and second names. Then in the National Archive, I found a Contract between a Alexander PLACE, linen draper, Dublin and three English men to find minerals to be used in art, in County Cavan. So the search has been on ever since to find the marriage of this Alexander Place, who baptised three daughters at St Johns in Dublin where he was a Church Warden and his wife Elizabeth, there is no surname for her but it is possibly Lee as my confirmed Alexander Place gave Lee as a second name to his son Alexander Lee Place born Halifax wry in 1821, he died aged 15 in 1837 before registration. So I know your frustration and many other fo! lk too. With my known Alexander I have seen quite a few adverts in the paper. I have two burial ages, in 1835, 51/57, so one might think that neither are right. I do not have the Irish Linen Drapers death date either, but it should be before 1835 as that would be a hundred years if it is the Devon Alexander PLACE. I have this hunch that since I cannot find the linen draper s marriage or death, it could have been in the Catholic Church, St Johns where the daughters are baptised is Church of Ireland. He might have married a Catholic lady and there may be some sons baptised there, named Alexander. I know he had one son George Place the miniature portrait painter as I have seen Georges death notice that says he was son of a Linen Drape,r 2 Essex Street Dublin, which is the address of Alexander, so dont give up on Ireland as yet as maybe we will both find our ancestor there. I have yet to see another linen draper who lived in 2 Essex street with a surname PLACE, so at the moment Al! exander is the only linen draper in Dublin with that surname, but he may have had brothers that havent surfaced. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Jane Woodall <jane.woodall@virgin.net> To: eamca@bigpond.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: RE:Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire thanks very much Edie and everyone who has offered ideas. First off - yes I mistyped. Robert and Susannah had their son John baptised in Birstall parish church in 1708.

Edie Have you looked at this site? http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/ Could see two baptism transcript for Alexander's daughter's but sadly no image as yet. I was lucky to find my elusive 2x great grandfather's baptism on this site and from that was able to locate his death in Hull. He was given the middle name Richard which he only ever used on one of his children's marriage certificate. After fruitless searches in Hull there was one with that middle name so sent for the certificate and it turned out to be the correct one. Lin On 13 January 2016, at 23:09, eamca via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: Jane, I was interested in your case as I too have an elusive ancestor who was married and died in Halifax, West Riding. I have no idea where he was born or to whom like your Robert. Though yours wasnt from the same part of Yorkshire. Ireland became a contender to look for me, when I discovered the baptism of a Alexander PLACE, too early for mine but a good father for him , this one was baptised in North Molton, Devon 1735 to George and Mary. Then nothing else for him there or his parents. George being a prominent name in my family early on. Alexander and Georges used as first and second names. Then in the National Archive, I found a Contract between a Alexander PLACE, linen draper, Dublin and three English men to find minerals to be used in art, in County Cavan. So the search has been on ever since to find the marriage of this Alexander Place, who baptised three daughters at St Johns in Dublin where he was a Church Warden and his wife Elizabeth, there is no surname for her but it is possibly Lee as my confirmed Alexander Place gave Lee as a second name to his son Alexander Lee Place born Halifax wry in 1821, he died aged 15 in 1837 before registration. So I know your frustration and many other fo! lk too. With my known Alexander I have seen quite a few adverts in the paper. I have two burial ages, in 1835, 51/57, so one might think that neither are right. I do not have the Irish Linen Drapers death date either, but it should be before 1835 as that would be a hundred years if it is the Devon Alexander PLACE. I have this hunch that since I cannot find the linen draper s marriage or death, it could have been in the Catholic Church, St Johns where the daughters are baptised is Church of Ireland. He might have married a Catholic lady and there may be some sons baptised there, named Alexander. I know he had one son George Place the miniature portrait painter as I have seen Georges death notice that says he was son of a Linen Drape,r 2 Essex Street Dublin, which is the address of Alexander, so dont give up on Ireland as yet as maybe we will both find our ancestor there. I have yet to see another linen draper who lived in 2 Essex street with a surname PLACE, so at the moment Al! exander is the only linen draper in Dublin with that surname, but he may have had brothers that havent surfaced. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Jane Woodall <jane.woodall@virgin.net> To: eamca@bigpond.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: RE:Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire thanks very much Edie and everyone who has offered ideas. First off - yes I mistyped. Robert and Susannah had their son John baptised in Birstall parish church in 1708. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Never worried me in the slightest Patty. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Patsy Crotty <pcrotty@vtown.com.au> To: eamca@bigpond.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: RE: RE: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire Sorry, Edie and everyone. I realise I have embarrassed myself by forgetting to reply just to you, Edie. And using Reply to All. Thereby subjecting you all to a "weather report", something which I cannot bear to think I have inflicted on you, as I personally find such things very irritating. I know I've sent this to All, but that's by way of an apology. Hope it won't happen again! Best wishes to everyone. Patsy

thanks very much Edie and everyone who has offered ideas. First off - yes I mistyped. Robert and Susannah had their son John baptised in Birstall parish church in 1708. Barbary was Robert and Susannah's daughter born 1713. She married John Brearley, clothier, of Cleckheaton in 1740 but it looks as if she died young. In 1762 John Brearley, widower, of Cleckheaton married Mary Scholes. So if anyone has the death date of Barbary Brearley, that would be wonderful. Another little gap closed. Judith was Barbary's niece by her younger brother Robert (son of Robert and Susannah.) There were people using the Wheldrake surname (or Queldric - one of the medieval variations) well before 1272 in and near to York (close to Wheldrake where it comes from.) I've tried researching all the Wheldrake families (with 42 spelling variations) that I can find pre 1700 just to see if I can find Robert since I started this hobby in 1991. Still no luck! I've mapped the parishes where the surname is found so next step is to try adjoining ones to see if they were there. I'll keep going... he's out there somewhere! Interestingly there is an Irish line - John Weldrake 1694, brewer in Dublin (must have gone over from Yorkshire, maybe with the army or something) and there are still Weldricks there today. Not found John either to link him into my families..... anyone missing a brewer?! I'm sure a lot of children were raised never knowing their big sister was actually their mum or that their dad wasn't really their dad - but were loved just as much anyway. Best wishes Jane -----Original Message----- From: eamca@bigpond.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:44 AM To: jane.woodall@virgin.net ; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: RE:Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire Hi Jane, Robert is mentioned in passing of this article of the origin of Weldrake. It mentions a John and Barbary Weldrake and I thinkit was a Judith, daughter of robert Weldrake being baptised. http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Weldrake I was wondering if it is possible that you may need to look for a spinster birth. I was wondering if maybe Barbary,tough that may not be correct. the reason I mention it is,I had my brothers ydna done a few years back and was disappointed to find that he didnt match, two descendants of brothers either side of my great grandfather. I am left with wondering whether one of my great grannies did the wrong thing while their man was away in service or whether my 2nd great gf sisters or grand daughters had a child out of wedlock and was passed of as the child of my great great or great grandparents. I do have two daughters of my 3rd Great Grandfather missing, they were born 1840's so who knows if they went away to give birth. it is hard to know,though at nearly 72, I am not going to worry too much about it as the PLACE family is the family I have always belonged to. I do feel whoever the child who started my brothers ydna off was part of the family though, either by the female line or a great granny by marriage. Still cannot find the right line (what ever that surname will be as there is no surname that stands out a lot.) and seem to be related to every man and his dog. I have stopped looking at the results, as none match my maiden surname. No doubt my fathers child as we also had a nephew tested who matches my brothers, and he looks like my dad a bit (out of the country at time of conception Ha Ha) so pretty much means it is correct. I am sure your Robert will turn up. I always like to look outside of the box. Have you looked in Ireland? I do beleive too, that it was not essential to be baptised and if a spinster birth, she may not have broadcast the fact. Frowned on in those days. Edie Tasmania ------------------------------------------ From: Jane Woodall via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: Nancy Magnusson <nancie451@gmail.com>; "Yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 12 January 2016, 4:53 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire I wish mine would shout up. Robert Weldrake arrived in Birstall, West Yorkshire 1780 with wife Susannah - give me a clue where you were married or born!! I've searched everywhere....! Pleased for your discoveries, but so envious!! Jane Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anytime, anywhere (Mars also considered...!) Happy hunting folks -----Original Message-----

Sorry, Edie and everyone. I realise I have embarrassed myself by forgetting to reply just to you, Edie. And using Reply to All. Thereby subjecting you all to a "weather report", something which I cannot bear to think I have inflicted on you, as I personally find such things very irritating. I know I've sent this to All, but that's by way of an apology. Hope it won't happen again! Best wishes to everyone. Patsy -----Original Message----- From: eamca@bigpond.com [mailto:eamca@bigpond.com] Sent: Wednesday, 13 January 2016 3:40 PM To: pcrotty@vtown.com.au; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: RE:RE: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire I would melt in 41 temperature Patsy. in the 20's here. I stay inside. It does help if folk do put where they come from, though not too much. There are no families of my maiden surname in Tasmania so not revealing, I dont think. There is one but nothing to do with me. The good thing about TROVE is that if anyone is looking for a stray or scratching their head where to look next, even if they live in Timbucktoo, they may find their really in Australia since TROVE covers all of Australia and mentions Norfolk Island as well. Where we know convicts from Britain went from early times in times late 1770's Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Patsy Crotty <pcrotty@vtown.com.au> To: eamca@bigpond.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: RE: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire Hi Edie, Glad you added you are in Tassie this time! Now I know my email yesterday was superfluous, as you are in Australia and of course would know Trove. Never mind - but glad to know it now. I hope you are having a good day. It's 41 or something here at the moment, so keeping a low profile is the go. Best wishes, Patsy Crotty

Hi Edie, Glad you added you are in Tassie this time! Now I know my email yesterday was superfluous, as you are in Australia and of course would know Trove. Never mind - but glad to know it now. I hope you are having a good day. It's 41 or something here at the moment, so keeping a low profile is the go. Best wishes, Patsy Crotty -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eamca via Sent: Wednesday, 13 January 2016 2:44 PM To: jane.woodall@virgin.net; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire Hi Jane, Robert is mentioned in passing of this article of the origin of Weldrake. It mentions a John and Barbary Weldrake and I thinkit was a Judith, daughter of robert Weldrake being baptised. http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Weldrake I was wondering if it is possible that you may need to look for a spinster birth. I was wondering if maybe Barbary,tough that may not be correct. the reason I mention it is,I had my brothers ydna done a few years back and was disappointed to find that he didnt match, two descendants of brothers either side of my great grandfather. I am left with wondering whether one of my great grannies did the wrong thing while their man was away in service or whether my 2nd great gf sisters or grand daughters had a child out of wedlock and was passed of as the child of my great great or great grandparents. I do have two daughters of my 3rd Great Grandfather missing, they were born 1840's so who knows if they went away to give birth. it is hard to know,though at nearly 72, I am not going to worry too much about it as the PLACE family is the family I have always belonged to. I do feel whoever the child who started my brothers ydna off was part of the family though, either by the fem! ale line or a great granny by marriage. Still cannot find the right line (what ever that surname will be as there is no surname that stands out a lot.) and seem to be related to every man and his dog. I have stopped looking at the results, as none match my maiden surname. No doubt my fathers child as we also had a nephew tested who matches my brothers, and he looks like my dad a bit (out of the country at time of conception Ha Ha) so pretty much means it is correct. I am sure your Robert will turn up. I always like to look outside of the box. Have you looked in Ireland? I do beleive too, that it was not essential to be baptised and if a spinster birth, she may not have broadcast the fact. Frowned on in those days. Edie Tasmania ------------------------------------------ From: Jane Woodall via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: Nancy Magnusson <nancie451@gmail.com>; "Yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 12 January 2016, 4:53 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire I wish mine would shout up. Robert Weldrake arrived in Birstall, West Yorkshire 1780 with wife Susannah - give me a clue where you were married or born!! I've searched everywhere....! Pleased for your discoveries, but so envious!! Jane Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anytime, anywhere (Mars also considered...!) Happy hunting folks -----Original Message----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jane, I was wondering if you meant to say that Robert arrived in Birstall in 1780 with his wife as I note a entry in 2006 on Yorksgen where you mention they arrive in 1708 and had children from that point. Did you mean 1708? Edie ------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Woodall via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: Nancy Magnusson <nancie451@gmail.com>; "Yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 12 January 2016, 4:53 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire I wish mine would shout up. Robert Weldrake arrived in Birstall, West Yorkshire 1780 with wife Susannah - give me a clue where you were married or born!! I've searched everywhere....! Pleased for your discoveries, but so envious!! Jane Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anytime, anywhere (Mars also considered...!) Happy hunting folks

I would melt in 41 temperature Patsy. in the 20's here. I stay inside. It does help if folk do put where they come from, though not too much. There are no families of my maiden surname in Tasmania so not revealing, I dont think. There is one but nothing to do with me. The good thing about TROVE is that if anyone is looking for a stray or scratching their head where to look next, even if they live in Timbucktoo, they may find their really in Australia since TROVE covers all of Australia and mentions Norfolk Island as well. Where we know convicts from Britain went from early times in times late 1770's Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Patsy Crotty <pcrotty@vtown.com.au> To: eamca@bigpond.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: RE: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire Hi Edie, Glad you added you are in Tassie this time! Now I know my email yesterday was superfluous, as you are in Australia and of course would know Trove. Never mind - but glad to know it now. I hope you are having a good day. It's 41 or something here at the moment, so keeping a low profile is the go. Best wishes, Patsy Crotty

Jane another couple of entries on familysearch if you havent looked there. https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3ARobert~%20%2Bsurname%3AWeldrake~%20%2Bbirth_place%3AYorkshire~ Edie ------------------------------------------ From: eamca via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: jane.woodall@virgin.net; yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire Hi Jane, Robert is mentioned in passing of this article of the origin of Weldrake. It mentions a John and Barbary Weldrake and I thinkit was a Judith, daughter of robert Weldrake being baptised. http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Weldrake I was wondering if it is possible that you may need to look for a spinster birth. I was wondering if maybe Barbary,tough that may not be correct. the reason I mention it is,I had my brothers ydna done a few years back and was disappointed to find that he didnt match, two descendants of brothers either side of my great grandfather.

Hi Jane, Robert is mentioned in passing of this article of the origin of Weldrake. It mentions a John and Barbary Weldrake and I thinkit was a Judith, daughter of robert Weldrake being baptised. http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Weldrake I was wondering if it is possible that you may need to look for a spinster birth. I was wondering if maybe Barbary,tough that may not be correct. the reason I mention it is,I had my brothers ydna done a few years back and was disappointed to find that he didnt match, two descendants of brothers either side of my great grandfather. I am left with wondering whether one of my great grannies did the wrong thing while their man was away in service or whether my 2nd great gf sisters or grand daughters had a child out of wedlock and was passed of as the child of my great great or great grandparents. I do have two daughters of my 3rd Great Grandfather missing, they were born 1840's so who knows if they went away to give birth. it is hard to know,though at nearly 72, I am not going to worry too much about it as the PLACE family is the family I have always belonged to. I do feel whoever the child who started my brothers ydna off was part of the family though, either by the fem! ale line or a great granny by marriage. Still cannot find the right line (what ever that surname will be as there is no surname that stands out a lot.) and seem to be related to every man and his dog. I have stopped looking at the results, as none match my maiden surname. No doubt my fathers child as we also had a nephew tested who matches my brothers, and he looks like my dad a bit (out of the country at time of conception Ha Ha) so pretty much means it is correct. I am sure your Robert will turn up. I always like to look outside of the box. Have you looked in Ireland? I do beleive too, that it was not essential to be baptised and if a spinster birth, she may not have broadcast the fact. Frowned on in those days. Edie Tasmania ------------------------------------------ From: Jane Woodall via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: Nancy Magnusson <nancie451@gmail.com>; "Yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 12 January 2016, 4:53 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire I wish mine would shout up. Robert Weldrake arrived in Birstall, West Yorkshire 1780 with wife Susannah - give me a clue where you were married or born!! I've searched everywhere....! Pleased for your discoveries, but so envious!! Jane Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anytime, anywhere (Mars also considered...!) Happy hunting folks -----Original Message-----

Published in the Winnepeg Free Press - Publish Date: Jun 27, 2015 - Photo with obit THOMAS CROSIER THOMAS ARNOLD CROSIER September 23, 1927 - June 16, 2015 After battling cancer and infection, Arnold passed away, just as he wished, in the peace and quiet of his home his wife and two daughters by his side. He has written a little about himself that he would like to share. "I was born in Sherburn Malton York on September 23 of 1927 to devoted parents, Winifred and Thomas Crosier. I leave behind, my loving wife Mary, daughters Jane (Terry) Swintak and Sara (Garth) Grant, granddaughters Candace and Rhonda, grandsons Thomas and Ian and five great-grandchildren. Educated at Nunthorpe Grammar School in York, I started my engineering training as a junior draftsman with the LNER Railway which became British Rail in 1943. From York, transfers were needed to Edinburgh and London and my responsibilities grew. With completion of BSE. External degree at London University I spent several years with Mott, Hay and Anderson Consulting Engineers working as a designer and resident engineer. In 1952 I moved to a position with the CNR in the Winnipeg buildings construction department. By 1954 I had established myself as an independent consulting structural engineer. TA Crosier and Associates was founded in 1954. In the next several years the company evolved and in 1976 became Crosier Kilgour and Partners. Happily married to Elizabeth Mary in 1953, my two daughters Jane and Sara provided a busy family backdrop to an expanding business career in Winnipeg. Retirement from the company was in 1986 at which time Mary and I were living in Vancouver and I opened a new branch office in 1980. As happens to many new settlers in B.C. we decided to move to The Island where we have enjoyed many memorable days together. Daughter Jane and her husband Terry joined us in their retirement and have provided great support to Mary and I in our senior years. We have had a rich and full life." Family would like to thank friends and neighbours, Dr. James Ingrey, St. Joseph Hospital, Red Cross, OmniCare, Pharmasave, CV Hospice Society, Community Home Nurses and Workers for their assistance in helping with Arnold's care and in support of his two daughters. As he wished, there will be no funeral service. Family will celebrate his life quietly together in their own time. Arrangements entrusted to Comox Valley Funeral Home, Courtenay, B.C., 250-334-0707 No relation, passed for list info only --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thanks Trish – yes, there is always hope – and the wonderful Yorksgen list! If I find Robert even the International Space Station will hear the celebrations! take care Jane From: Trish Michael Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:24 PM To: Jane Woodall ; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire Hi Jane. I'm envious too but at least it give us hope. Trouble is me being so far away stops me going to archives etc for a good ferret around...but on the other hand... an excuse to do another trip one day. Just a snippet of info would be good so we can get the brains thinking of new places to search. Just hang in there...and keep chipping away. ttfn Trish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Woodall via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: Nancy Magnusson <nancie451@gmail.com>; "Yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 12 January 2016, 4:53 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire I wish mine would shout up. Robert Weldrake arrived in Birstall, West Yorkshire 1780 with wife Susannah - give me a clue where you were married or born!! I've searched everywhere....! Pleased for your discoveries, but so envious!! Jane Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anytime, anywhere (Mars also considered...!) Happy hunting folks -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Magnusson via Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 7:28 PM To: Yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] A word of encouragement but not Yorkshire That's wonderful!! I agree with listening to those little voices wholeheartedly. I swear they are the voices of our elusive ancestors giving us directions as to how to find them!! I've even woke up in the middle of the night with a voice in my head telling me to look here or there and lo and behold there's the person I'm looking for or a very good lead and most often in a very unusual place. Nancy On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Margaret Cambridge via < yorksgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Oh, how exciting to find such a goldmine. I was lucky to receive one > picture of two ancesters from a woman who found it with her deceased > grandfather's things. These people had no connection to her family at all > and apparently was just a neighbour. It was a picture of two young men > beside a very old Foden steam wagon with a company name and phone number > on > the truck door and a licence plate. I was able to verify info on the > licence plate. It was an amazing find for me ........and that was just > one > picture. > I agree with you about searching peripheral lines. I have climbed over a > couple of walls by finding a tid bit of info in a peripheral line that > leads > back to a direct line. > > I feel her excitement..... > > Marg > >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trish Michael via" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> > To: "Yorksgen" <yorksgen-l@rootsweb.com> > > > Hi everyone. Whilst this isn't Yorkshire related it might encourage us all > to keep digging.My friend Carol, found herself with this niggling desire > to > take a peripheral line in her research. Her husband's grandfather, Thomas > EVANS has been a thorn in her side for years. He came to Australia, got > some > land grants, etc married, had several children and died. She can't find > where he was born or when as places and dates changed on various records > and > many records she needs have not survived. Australia doesn't have heaps of > census records so it was extremely difficult for her to find much about > him...Anyway he died, wife remarried, that husband died she remarried > again....Carol has been following that line. For some reason she entered > his > name into Google, got a lead to the National Library of Australia and > followed the links etc etc. They have an eresource so Carol rang them for > more information...and was flabbergasted by the reply...yes we have 103 > photographs donated by a family member.Some have names on them - others > don't apparently. She has to go down to Sydney to take photo of the photos > as they want $22 EACH for a copy to be sent even by email...well worth the > trip down I'd say.I might add here that the family were not Sydney > folks....far north coast of NSW...so how they got there we don't know > yet.Somewhere along the line she has also found 4 daughters no one knew > existed...more research to be done on that. > > So if you hear a little voice saying do this or that for heaven's sake > listen to it....you just never know what you might find in the oddest of > places. Good old Google again. > I can't help wondering why people do only follow direct lines. I think, > potentially, they could be missing out on a lot. > Hope it gives you all some encouragement for the New Year. Have fun!! > > ttfnTrishEx Hull lass on central coast of NSW > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks very much Maree - I gave the guy who put the tree together the info. I've also noticed I've put the wrong date below -oops. 1708 is when Robert and Susanna had their son John baptised. They may have had an older son Thomas - but he was not baptised in Birstall best wishes Jane -----Original Message----- From: Maree de Hauterive via Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 11:16 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Robert & Sussanah WELLDRAKE - Can you please pass this on to Jane Woodall .....?? They are on the LIVERSEDGE tree Found on Rootsweb WorldConnect ______________________ Sent: Tuesday, 12 January 2016 9:24:23 a.m. To: Jane Woodall; yorksgen@rootsweb.com I wish mine would shout up. Robert Weldrake arrived in Birstall, West Yorkshire 1780 with wife Susannah - give me a clue where you were married or born!! I've searched everywhere....! Pleased for your discoveries, but so envious!! Jane Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anytime, anywhere (Mars also considered...!) Happy hunting folks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Trisha, I dont think I have ever heard of Leodis. Do you have the URL please or maybe I will just type in Leodis in google. thanks for that suggestion, I will take a peek. thanks again Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Trisha <jackgeorgeisaac@yahoo.com> To: eamca@bigpond.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] requiire a photograph of Walter Thomas Wadham o Walter Thomas Wadham-Petre/Petre please, Tasmanian born, Leeds, YKS Musician and Composer. Is there anything on Leodis? Mostly place photos but there are some people Regards Trisha Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Jan 2016, at 7:19 am, eamca via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi listers, > > I am asking on behalf of someone else. They have also been asked by a friend in France if they can find a photograph of the famous Tasmanian born musician, composer, who lived in Leeds for many years. He was only about 19 when he became well known. He was born in Invermay, near Launceston Tasmania in 1862 and died in Yorkshire in 1922. There is plenty of information about him in many newspapers but so far we havent found a photograph, but do have one sketch found in a newspaper, Yorkshire Evening Post dated 14th June 1902. (British Newspaper archives). so that sketch we have. Does anyone by any chance have an old record cover or maybe a photograph of him at all please. He was in the newspapers many times so find it hard to beleive there is no photograph of him. Thought there may be a wedding photo of him. But one hasnt appearred. > > Thanks for any help > Edie McArthur > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message