This is an important thread because it goes to the heart of why many of us do family history; to find out where we come from and what our inheritance is. However, at first I was very surprised by your statement Janet that you still pay your tax to the East Riding council. Surely, I thought, she can’t be right the East Riding was abolished in 1974! But I have just looked at Wikipedia and this is what they say: “The East Riding of Yorkshire, or simply East Yorkshire, is a ceremonial county<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_counties_of_England> of England<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>. It is located in the region of Yorkshire and the Humber<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_and_the_Humber>. It is a local government district<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-metropolitan_district> with unitary authority<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_authority> status. For ceremonial purposes the county also includes the city of Kingston upon Hull<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_upon_Hull>, which is a separate unitary authority. It is named after the historic<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic_counties_of_England> East Riding<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riding_(country_subdivision)> of Yorkshire<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire> (one of three ridings alongside the North Riding<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Riding_of_Yorkshire> and West Riding<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Riding_of_Yorkshire>), which also constituted a ceremonial and administrative county<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_counties_of_England> until 1974. From 1974 to 1996 the area of the modern East Riding of Yorkshire constituted the northern part of the non-metropolitan county of Humberside<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humberside>. At the 2011 Census the Unitary Authority population was 334,179.[2]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Riding_of_Yorkshire#cite_note-2>” I don’t think the same coincidence of name goes for the old West Riding , which is a shame. Wikipedia has good articles on the history, etc. Of Yorkshire. As for me, as I said in an earlier post; if the ancestor was born in the West Riding , that’s how I’ll record it! Peter in France (where they are reorganising the local government regions AGAIN!) Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Janet Peacock via<mailto:yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 02 April 2016 17:09 To: Peter J. Richardson<mailto:pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com>; yorksgen@rootsweb.com<mailto:yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates Sorry, Peter, but I can't let that one go, either ----- I live in the East Riding & pay my council tax to the East Riding of Yorkshire Council. And there is nothing 'sentimental' about that! So Local Government still acknowledges the use of the Ridings, even in the 21st century. My comment about the Post Office, Victor, reflects the fact that many postcodes in the East Riding of Yorkshire begin 'YO'. This, according to the Post Office puts them in North Yorkshire & I have had 'discussions' with Post Office staff who insist that Pocklington, Driffield, Market Weighton etc are in North Yorkshire not East Yorkshire. Many gazetteers stick to the same misconception & it is often impossible to change them manually. I suppose Kingston-on-Thames pre-dates Kingston-upon-Hull, being known originally as just 'Kingston'; whereas Kingston-upon-Hull was known as 'Wyke-on-Hull' until receiving its Royal Charter in the 13th century. What irritates my partner is when the media refer to the football team as 'Hull', instead of 'Hull City' ----- he's a fan of Hull FC, the rugby club! And we were both born in that fair city (with both birthdays coming up in April) Whatever cities or counties are called by the politicians & administrators, traditions & personal loyalties will remain & that, Peter, is not merely sentiment, but heredity & culture. Janet -----Original Message----- From: Peter J. Richardson via Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:06 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates Hello Janet On 31 March 2016 at 11:05, Janet Peacock <JanMPeacock@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > What do you mean, Peter, by 'after the Ridings disappeared'? If you look at any county map published after 1974 the word "Riding" does not appear. Whilst we might for sentimental reasons wish to retain the labels that existed when we were young there will come a time when there is nobody left in Yorkshire who was born before 1974, and unless the Ridings make a reappearance between now and then the label will pass into history. > They have not disappeared. > > As you point out, 'South Yorkshire' is classed as a metropolitan county &, > to many > people this causes frustration ---- not only from a genealogical point of > view, but in > modern day activities, too. As, of course, does the use of the much hated > 'Humberside' > which only exists for Police etc., though the Post Office still clings to > it > 20 years after > its abolition! As local government structures become more complicated and haphazard I am starting to wonder whether the whole concept of counties as we used to know them will pass into history. 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On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 16:07:40 +0100 Janet Peacock via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Janet, I knew it would happen (it always does)... >My comment about the Post Office, Victor, reflects the fact that many >postcodes in the East Riding of Yorkshire begin 'YO'. This, >according to the Post Office puts them in North Yorkshire & I have had Complete and utter drivel. You're making the same error many people make; That Post Codes have some sort of significance beyond their intended purpose, which is to facilitate the routing of post. Codes serve no purpose to anybody except the Royal Mail(1). They do not have any political significance. The leading letters (in this case YO) serve to indicate the main sorting office through which post should be passed to reach its final destination. Post Codes have nothing to do with county, city or other boundaries. (1) Note: NOT the Post Office - they're separate businesses and have been for many years. Nowadays RM create post codes, not the Post Office. I will concede that the codes came into existence prior to the dismantling of the (then) Post Office into two businesses. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" It's your life so go your own way Questions And Answers - Sham 69

On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 11:52:54 -0400 MomNat via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello MomNat, >I for some reason abandoned. In addition, I am changing my "British >Census" sourcing to "English census" which is more accurate (except Strictly speaking, it's the English & Welsh census. Although in latter years (1891 onwards) the Welsh got asked questions about the language(s) they spoke, making their returns different from England's. Scotland's census was always separate. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'd hate to look into those eyes and see an ounce of pain Sweet Child O'Mine - Guns 'N' Roses

Sorry, Peter, but I can't let that one go, either ----- I live in the East Riding & pay my council tax to the East Riding of Yorkshire Council. And there is nothing 'sentimental' about that! So Local Government still acknowledges the use of the Ridings, even in the 21st century. My comment about the Post Office, Victor, reflects the fact that many postcodes in the East Riding of Yorkshire begin 'YO'. This, according to the Post Office puts them in North Yorkshire & I have had 'discussions' with Post Office staff who insist that Pocklington, Driffield, Market Weighton etc are in North Yorkshire not East Yorkshire. Many gazetteers stick to the same misconception & it is often impossible to change them manually. I suppose Kingston-on-Thames pre-dates Kingston-upon-Hull, being known originally as just 'Kingston'; whereas Kingston-upon-Hull was known as 'Wyke-on-Hull' until receiving its Royal Charter in the 13th century. What irritates my partner is when the media refer to the football team as 'Hull', instead of 'Hull City' ----- he's a fan of Hull FC, the rugby club! And we were both born in that fair city (with both birthdays coming up in April) Whatever cities or counties are called by the politicians & administrators, traditions & personal loyalties will remain & that, Peter, is not merely sentiment, but heredity & culture. Janet -----Original Message----- From: Peter J. Richardson via Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:06 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates Hello Janet On 31 March 2016 at 11:05, Janet Peacock <JanMPeacock@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > What do you mean, Peter, by 'after the Ridings disappeared'? If you look at any county map published after 1974 the word "Riding" does not appear. Whilst we might for sentimental reasons wish to retain the labels that existed when we were young there will come a time when there is nobody left in Yorkshire who was born before 1974, and unless the Ridings make a reappearance between now and then the label will pass into history. > They have not disappeared. > > As you point out, 'South Yorkshire' is classed as a metropolitan county &, > to many > people this causes frustration ---- not only from a genealogical point of > view, but in > modern day activities, too. As, of course, does the use of the much hated > 'Humberside' > which only exists for Police etc., though the Post Office still clings to > it > 20 years after > its abolition! As local government structures become more complicated and haphazard I am starting to wonder whether the whole concept of counties as we used to know them will pass into history. Regards Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janet & all. I believe The Ridings Society may feel rather differently, as someone else has already mentioned on another post.I don't know how many other places have retained their signs, but I do know that at the borderbetween the North Riding and the East Riding, and just at the beginning of the bridge entering Bubwith,is still the sign declaring "Welcome to the East Riding of Yorkshire".I think there were some attempts at removing such signs some years ago, but the Ridings Society and others worked very hard in many ways, to have the Ridings recognised as still existing, valid geographical areas. Pam > To: pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 16:07:40 +0100 > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates > From: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > > Sorry, Peter, but I can't let that one go, either ----- > > I live in the East Riding & pay my council tax to the East Riding of > Yorkshire Council. And there is nothing 'sentimental' about that! > So Local Government still acknowledges the use of the Ridings, even in the > 21st century. > > My comment about the Post Office, Victor, reflects the fact that many > postcodes in the East Riding of Yorkshire begin 'YO'. This, > according to the Post Office puts them in North Yorkshire & I have had > 'discussions' with Post Office staff who insist that Pocklington, > Driffield, Market Weighton etc are in North Yorkshire not East Yorkshire. > Many gazetteers stick to the same misconception & it is often > impossible to change them manually. > > I suppose Kingston-on-Thames pre-dates Kingston-upon-Hull, being known > originally as just 'Kingston'; whereas Kingston-upon-Hull was > known as 'Wyke-on-Hull' until receiving its Royal Charter in the 13th > century. What irritates my partner is when the media refer to the > football team as 'Hull', instead of 'Hull City' ----- he's a fan of Hull FC, > the rugby club! And we were both born in that fair city (with both > birthdays coming up in April) > > Whatever cities or counties are called by the politicians & administrators, > traditions & personal loyalties will remain & that, Peter, is not > merely sentiment, but heredity & culture. > > Janet > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter J. Richardson via > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:06 PM > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates > > Hello Janet > > On 31 March 2016 at 11:05, Janet Peacock <JanMPeacock@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > What do you mean, Peter, by 'after the Ridings disappeared'? > > If you look at any county map published after 1974 the word "Riding" > does not appear. > > Whilst we might for sentimental reasons wish to retain the labels that > existed when we were young there will come a time when there is nobody > left in Yorkshire who was born before 1974, and unless the Ridings > make a reappearance between now and then the label will pass into > history. > > > They have not disappeared. > > > > As you point out, 'South Yorkshire' is classed as a metropolitan county &, > > to many > > people this causes frustration ---- not only from a genealogical point of > > view, but in > > modern day activities, too. As, of course, does the use of the much hated > > 'Humberside' > > which only exists for Police etc., though the Post Office still clings to > > it > > 20 years after > > its abolition! > > > As local government structures become more complicated and haphazard I > am starting to wonder whether the whole concept of counties as we used > to know them will pass into history. > > Regards > Peter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From genuki The Ancient Parish of HORNBY [Transcribed information mainly from the early 1820s] "HORNBY, a parish in the wapentake of Hang East, and liberties of St. Peter's. and Richmondshire; 5 miles NW. of Bedale. Here is a church dedicated to St. Mary (see Churches for photograph); the living is a vicarage, in the patronage of the Dean and Chapter of York, and the Rev. J. Alderson, is the incumbent. Hornby castle one of the seats of His Grace the Duke of Leeds, is situated in this township. This mansion is a spacious structure of a mixed architecture, and the apartments are grand and superbly finished. The situation is commanding and from the battlements are seen to great advantage the rich and picturesque valley of Bedale, stretching up to the western moors and forming a grand and imposing contrast. Hornby castle was anciently the lordship and seat of the family of St. Quintin, from whom it passed to the Conyers, and ultimately to the Osbornes. Population, 102." And The Ancient Parish of GREAT SMEATON (in which there is) "HORNBY, in the parish of Great Smeaton, wapentake and liberty of Allertonshire; 1¼ miles NE. of Great Smeaton, 8 miles N. of Northallerton. The only place of worship in this village is a small Methodist chapel. The Grange in this township is the residence of Henry Howgill, Esq. Population, 238." Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02/04/2016 12:33, eamca via wrote: > Graham, It looks to me if there is one Hornby but between two districts. Bedale and Great Smeaton in Northallerton. It appears to be much closer almost on the door step to Great Smeaton than Bedale though. Great Smeaton is in NorthallertonThere is a Hornby in Lancashire as well. I might even put, Hornby, nr, Great Smeaton, Northallerton, NRY, England > http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/multi_place_page.jsp?st=Hornby&c_id=0&c_type=0&expert=&sdx= > Edie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

This is an excellent point and I have started adding England again, which I for some reason abandoned. In addition, I am changing my "British Census" sourcing to "English census" which is more accurate (except for the lone Scottish, haha, like the lone piper...). The citations and numbers remain the same. So, of course, I thought, shouldn't I use USA for my American side? Not so simple - some are Colonial age and predate USA. In a message dated 4/2/2016 5:40:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yorksgen@rootsweb.com writes: Every place name should end in England, if that is where it is. UK > covers other countries. By putting England. Wales, Northern Ireland or > Scotland gives you an idea where the place is. Putting UK alone doesn't > help much.

That is how I would record it or something very similar Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02/04/2016 10:39, Graham Pearey via wrote: > Can I ask how people record a place name where there are two > instances in the same county. I have family who lived in Hornby, near > Great Smeaton in NRY; however, there is also a Hornby, near Bedale. > At the moment, I am writing Hornby (near Great Smeaton), North Riding > of Yorkshire, England. > > Many thanks Graham --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Libe, I see one of the films available from Latter Day Saints,is a School film. This is the url for what is on offer for Sculcoates, film wise and on familysearch. https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=26695&query=%2Bplace%3A%22England%2C%20Yorkshire%2C%20Sculcoates%22 The school records are for St Pauls School, 1923-1926so may not apply to your mum though. Looks as if these records are in the Hull City records office anyway if you are in the vacinity of it, otherwise the films can be hired in at yor nearest Latter Day Saints Family History Library. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: libe via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates Hello everybody, Just to follow up on all the information regarding Sculcoates, my mother was born on Eastbourne Street, off Hessle Road and according to her official birth details that was also Sculcoates. Libe ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can I ask how people record a place name where there are two instances in the same county. I have family who lived in Hornby, near Great Smeaton in NRY; however, there is also a Hornby, near Bedale. At the moment, I am writing Hornby (near Great Smeaton), North Riding of Yorkshire, England. Many thanks Graham > On 31 Mar 2016, at 13:35, Victor Markham via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > It is important to add East, West or North to the place name because > there are similar place names in more than one Riding > > As an example there is Hessle in East Riding as well as West Riding. > There is also Willerby and Scalby in East Riding as well as North > Riding. I could list more. > > I tend to put East Yorkshire rather than East Riding of Yorkshire. It is > what I have always done long before I did any family search and both > have the same meaning > > Every place name should end in England, if that is where it is. UK > covers other countries. By putting England. Wales, Northern Ireland or > Scotland gives you an idea where the place is. Putting UK alone doesn't > help much. Place names followed by the county name does help but doesn't > help those who are unfamiliar with the county locations. > > Whatever anyone decides to do they should make it the same for consistency. > > I have always been puzzled why Kingston Upon Hull is simply known as > Hull whilst Kingston Upon Thames,which is in Surrey, is known as > Kingston! Couldn't they have called it Thames? > > Victor

A wee bit harsh Victor ;-) I don't think respect has anything to do with it, natives of England are not exactly flawless regarding their knowledge of geography The format is for the database ie in reverse order and has to be rationalised They do though have a wealth of information, as they do on the majority of places England, Yorkshire, Sculcoates - Cemeteries ( 4 ) Air St., Hull monumental inscriptions Author: Dixon, Sheila; Mount, David; Toffolo, Marion, Mrs.; Church of England. St. Mary's Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) Monumental inscriptions in Yorkshire Author: Gardner, David Ensign, 1915-2007 Monumental inscriptions, of St. Mary's Church, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England Author: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. British Mission Sculcoates, monumental inscriptions Author: East Yorkshire Family History Society England, Yorkshire, Sculcoates - Census ( 1 ) Census returns for Sculcoates, 1841-1891 Author: Great Britain. Census Office England, Yorkshire, Sculcoates - Church records ( 18 ) Baptisms and burials, 1826-1836 Author: Tabernacle (Sculcoates, Yorkshire : Independent) Baptisms solemnized in the parish of Sculcoates in the county of York ... Author: Church of England. St. Mary's Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire); East Yorkshire Family History Society Births, baptisms and marriages, 1798-1840 Author: Catholic Church. Jarrett Street (Sculcoates, England) Bishop's transcripts for All Saints Church, Sculcoates, 1611-1870 Author: Church of England. All Saints Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) Bishop's transcripts for Drypool, 1601-1850 Author: Church of England. Parish Church of Drypool (Yorkshire) Bishop's transcripts for Sculcoates, 1822-1841 Author: Church of England. Christ Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) Drypool & Sculcoates parish registers : baptisms & burials 1572-1812, marriages 1572-1807 Author: Yorkshire Parish Register Society Marriages solemnised in the parish of Sculcoates in the county of York ... Author: East Yorkshire Family History Society; Church of England. St. Mary's Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) The parish register of Sculcoates, 1538-1772 Author: Church of England. All Saints Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire); Ingram, M. Edward Parish registers for Christ Church, Sculcoates, 1822-1892 Author: Church of England. Christ Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) Parish registers for St. Mary's Church, Sculcoates, 1872-1892 Author: Church of England. St. Mary's Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) Parish registers for St. Paul's Church, Sculcoates, 1846-1892 Author: Church of England. St. Paul's Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) Parish registers for St. Philip's Church, Sculcoates, 1885-1892 Author: Church of England. St. Philip's Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) Parish registers for St. Silas' Church, Sculcoates, 1871-1892 Author: Church of England. St. Silas' Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) Sculcoates baptisms : baptisms solemnized in the parish of Sculcoates in the county of York, Jan 1813 to Dec 1820 Author: East Yorkshire Family History Society; Church of England. St. Mary's Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) Sculcoates baptisms, 1772-1789; burials, 1772-1792 Author: East Yorkshire Family History Society; Church of England. St. Mary's Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) Sculcoates burials - St Mary Parish Author: East Yorkshire Family History Society Sculcoates St. Mary's Church : index to baptisms, 2 Jan. 1813 - 16 June 1875 Author: Church of England. St. Mary's Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire); Church of England. All Saints Church (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) England, Yorkshire, Sculcoates - Church records - Indexes ( 5 ) Computer printout of Sculcoates, Christ Church, Yorks., Eng Computer printout of Sculcoates, Hull Chapel in Jarrett Street formerly in North Street Catholic, Yorks., Eng Computer printout of Sculcoates, York, England (Catholic Church, Hull Chapel in Jarrett Street formerly in North Street), : christenings, 1798-1840 Author: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Genealogical Department Computer printout of Sculcoates, Yorks., Eng Sculcoates All Saints, index to marriages, January 1813 - April 1817 Author: Pattinson, P. M. England, Yorkshire, Sculcoates - History ( 1 ) Sculcoates manor, church, and parish with some notes on ancient Hessle Author: Travis-Cook, J. England, Yorkshire, Sculcoates - Schools ( 1 ) School registers, 1923-1926 Author: St. Paul's School (Sculcoates, Yorkshire) England, Yorkshire, Sculcoates - Taxation ( 1 ) Land tax assessments for Sculcoates, 1787-1832 Author: Great Britain. Court of Quarter Sessions of the Peace (Yorkshire) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/04/2016 23:25, Victor Markham via wrote: > That is because it is USA style they have no respect for British values. > They just want to Americanise things > > Victor > > On 01/04/2016 11:13 PM, eamca@bigpond.com wrote: >> I note that on family catalogue in family search, there is only one Sculcoates. It is written England, Yorkshire, Sculcoates. So no confusion there as there is only one mentioned. I never looked to see what Latter Day Saints had filmed for Sculcoates. >> Edie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I note that on family catalogue in family search, there is only one Sculcoates. It is written England, Yorkshire, Sculcoates. So no confusion there as there is only one mentioned. I never looked to see what Latter Day Saints had filmed for Sculcoates. Edie ------------------------------------------ From: Victor Markham <victor@markham.me.uk> To: eamca@bigpond.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates Edie I understand what you are getting at What people need to do is put place names like this Any town, Any County, Country. That is clear enough. The addition of the county is the clue. In the US they say things like York County. They always add County whilst we simply just give the county name. Nothing to stop the addition of UK but it means more words to be added. There are people around who just give the place name like Perth giving no idea whether that is Perth Scotland or Western Australia It all comes down to a matter of choice but the important thing is for others to have a clear idea which place, county and country the name is referring to Victor On 31/03/2016 10:59 PM, eamca@bigpond.com wrote: > Yes, I can see the sense of putting England rather than UK Victor, but I dont think it hurts to put both as there is a England in the USA and a Scotland as well. If you are an American researcher, you might automatically think the England being referred to is the one in the USA. But definitely to put UK instead of England would be confusing as well. I shall watch not to do that in future. > Edie > > Victor wrote: > Every place name should end in England, if that is where it is. UK > covers other countries. By putting England. Wales, Northern Ireland or > Scotland gives you an idea where the place is. Putting UK alone doesn't > help much. Place names followed by the county name does help but doesn't > help those who are unfamiliar with the county locations. > Whatever anyone decides to do they should make it the same for consistency.

Hello everybody, Just to follow up on all the information regarding Sculcoates, my mother was born on Eastbourne Street, off Hessle Road and according to her official birth details that was also Sculcoates. Libe

That is because it is USA style they have no respect for British values. They just want to Americanise things Victor On 01/04/2016 11:13 PM, eamca@bigpond.com wrote: > I note that on family catalogue in family search, there is only one Sculcoates. It is written England, Yorkshire, Sculcoates. So no confusion there as there is only one mentioned. I never looked to see what Latter Day Saints had filmed for Sculcoates. > Edie > > > ------------------------------------------ > From: Victor Markham <victor@markham.me.uk> > To: eamca@bigpond.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com; > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates > Edie > I understand what you are getting at > What people need to do is put place names like this > Any town, Any County, Country. That is clear enough. The addition of the > county is the clue. In the US they say things like York County. They > always add County whilst we simply just give the county name. > Nothing to stop the addition of UK but it means more words to be added. > There are people around who just give the place name like Perth giving > no idea whether that is Perth Scotland or Western Australia > It all comes down to a matter of choice but the important thing is for > others to have a clear idea which place, county and country the name is > referring to > Victor > On 31/03/2016 10:59 PM, eamca@bigpond.com wrote: >> Yes, I can see the sense of putting England rather than UK Victor, but I dont think it hurts to put both as there is a England in the USA and a Scotland as well. If you are an American researcher, you might automatically think the England being referred to is the one in the USA. But definitely to put UK instead of England would be confusing as well. I shall watch not to do that in future. >> Edie >> >> Victor wrote: >> Every place name should end in England, if that is where it is. UK >> covers other countries. By putting England. Wales, Northern Ireland or >> Scotland gives you an idea where the place is. Putting UK alone doesn't >> help much. Place names followed by the county name does help but doesn't >> help those who are unfamiliar with the county locations. >> Whatever anyone decides to do they should make it the same for consistency.

I would like to make one more comment about Sculcoates. This also applies to any other registration district shown on the FreeBMD site Whatever registration district is put in your tree treat these as a temporary measure until you can find the real place. The real places should appear on census details up to 1911 or, better still, on any certificates you can get hold off. Victor On 01/04/2016 1:42 AM, MomNat via wrote: > Thank you all for your suggestions and comments. Jean, thank you for the > comments and links. Victor, I think I am going to go with Sculcoates, East > Yorkshire, England. It would be more accurate to include UK but I don't like > it for some reason (hard cheese, love that, Nivard, but then I often enjoy > your turn of phrase). England in the US? New England? This is seldom listed > as a precise location. Have to look that one up if not. Most towns it > seems are named for places in England, Indian names or people. Half my mother's > family is from New England, from England - maybe York but then no one > really knows - I found one reference, just said York no idea if it meant York > itself or Yorkshire and we are talking 1630s anyway so that is another whole > smoke. > > I originally had many references that were, Sculcoates, Yorkshire plus many > other variations and I just changed the lot to Sculcoates, > Kingston-upon-Hull, Yorkshire yesterday. I will change them all now. It would actually be > incorrect to say Sculcoates, Kingston-upon-Hull perhaps because so far, > they are all well within the 1837 to 1937 century. Before coming to the Hull > "area" they were in Lincolnshire, Warwickshire, Staffordshire and West > Yorkshire!! The four youngest aunts and uncles born after 1937 were born in > Hull. The first seven were Sculcoates. > But, thinking about it, some of these references are from the BMD > districts,haha, might they not have lived there???? Perhaps I need to check the > electoral rolls. Is someone born where they are registered? That is what I > put. But I know they were all born at home. > > Thanks again. > Kathryne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean, If you go into the famiy library catalogue in family search you will see if you put England in the place box there is a place in the United States called: United States, Arkansas, Lanoke, England Then just Scotland, There are seven United States cities in towns ending in Scotland as well. Being born in England myself, I wouldnt be confused and most Aussies wouldnt as most of their family would come from England in the UK, but folk from other international countries may from time to time be confused without the added UK Edie ------------------------------------------ From: MomNat via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: jean.maston@doctors.org.uk; YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates Thank you all for your suggestions and comments. Jean, thank you for the comments and links. Victor, I think I am going to go with Sculcoates, East Yorkshire, England. It would be more accurate to include UK but I don't like it for some reason (hard cheese, love that, Nivard, but then I often enjoy your turn of phrase). England in the US? New England?

It all depends what is meant by Ainsty. Ulleskelf is in an Anglican Deanery which has gone by various names with Ainsty in the title, but has also included areas outside of the Ainsty proper. So, whereas ecclesiastically Ulleskelf could be said to be in the Ainsty, for any other purpose it isn't. The Ainsty proper was originally a wapentake in the West Riding of Yorkshire bounded by the rivers Nidd, Ouse and Wharfe; Ulleskelf is on the wrong bank of the Wharfe to be included in this and, as a township in the parish of Kirkby Wharfe, was in the wapentake of Barkston Ash. Although the Ainsty was part of the West Riding, York had been claiming jurisdiction over It under a Royal Charter granted by King John. The Crown disputed the validity of this Charter but the City seems to have mainly maintained control of it. In 1396, the City of York was granted County status and master of its own affairs as a Corporate County and became known as the City and County of York. The Ainsty was not included in the grant, and neither were various other Liberties not under the jurisdiction of the Mayor, such as the Castle, the Minster and the Abbey. The City still controlled the Ainsty, but it wasn't formally annexed to the City's control until 1449 under the pretext that the City was in a state of decay and could do with the income from the Ainsty. The Ainsty was then also styled The County of the City of York. The Ainsty remained under the control of the City of York until 1836 when the Municipal Corporations Act 1835 was implemented and returned it to the West Riding. English Corporate Counties weren't formally abolished until the Local Government reforms of 1974. Regards, Chris Westmoreland > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gillian via > Sent: 31 March 2016 19:25 > To: D.S. Ellerton <di_ellerton@yahoo.com>; yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Ainsty > > To confuse even more villages came & went from the Ainsty so Ulleskelf my > grandfathers village has been Ainsty WR and now NR so hey ho take your > choice Gillian nee Wheatley > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 31 Mar 2016, at 19:10, D.S. Ellerton via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > > "York itself has never been part of any Riding. It is the centre point > > of all the Ridings. More accurately it is called the Ainsty of York" > > I thought it was "York AND the Ainsty." The Ainsty is to the > > southwest of York, so my understanding is that they are considered to > > be two separate entities. Is that wrong? I know the hunt was always > > called York and the Ainsty.Daine > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I think you have to credit the people who will read your trees (as opposed to software) with some common sense! Addresses have a logic of running from the smallest district to the greatest so your England is a city in the county of Lonoke in the state of Arkansas in the USA. I accept that if there is a precinct called for example Leeds in England AK there could be a problem! Now what about Wales near Sheffield? As for the ridings, they live in my Family tree for events that happened before the reorganisation but more recent events that might take place in South Yorkshire I enter as such. Peter Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: eamca via<mailto:yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 01 April 2016 11:34 To: jean.maston@doctors.org.uk<mailto:jean.maston@doctors.org.uk>; YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com>; MomNat@aol.com<mailto:MomNat@aol.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates Hi Jean, If you go into the famiy library catalogue in family search you will see if you put England in the place box there is a place in the United States called: United States, Arkansas, Lanoke, England Then just Scotland, There are seven United States cities in towns ending in Scotland as well. Being born in England myself, I wouldnt be confused and most Aussies wouldnt as most of their family would come from England in the UK, but folk from other international countries may from time to time be confused without the added UK Edie ------------------------------------------ From: MomNat via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: jean.maston@doctors.org.uk; YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com; Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Sculcoates Thank you all for your suggestions and comments. Jean, thank you for the comments and links. Victor, I think I am going to go with Sculcoates, East Yorkshire, England. It would be more accurate to include UK but I don't like it for some reason (hard cheese, love that, Nivard, but then I often enjoy your turn of phrase). England in the US? New England? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Edie I understand what you are getting at What people need to do is put place names like this Any town, Any County, Country. That is clear enough. The addition of the county is the clue. In the US they say things like York County. They always add County whilst we simply just give the county name. Nothing to stop the addition of UK but it means more words to be added. There are people around who just give the place name like Perth giving no idea whether that is Perth Scotland or Western Australia It all comes down to a matter of choice but the important thing is for others to have a clear idea which place, county and country the name is referring to Victor On 31/03/2016 10:59 PM, eamca@bigpond.com wrote: > Yes, I can see the sense of putting England rather than UK Victor, but I dont think it hurts to put both as there is a England in the USA and a Scotland as well. If you are an American researcher, you might automatically think the England being referred to is the one in the USA. But definitely to put UK instead of England would be confusing as well. I shall watch not to do that in future. > Edie > > Victor wrote: > Every place name should end in England, if that is where it is. UK > covers other countries. By putting England. Wales, Northern Ireland or > Scotland gives you an idea where the place is. Putting UK alone doesn't > help much. Place names followed by the county name does help but doesn't > help those who are unfamiliar with the county locations. > Whatever anyone decides to do they should make it the same for consistency.

I just ignore officialdom Nuts to them, the Ridings are alive and kicking in my book ! Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/04/2016 10:03, JGSpenny via wrote: > The Ridings pass into history - never! > > It was on this day [1 April ] 1974 that The Yorkhire Ridings were no > longer acknowledged by officialdom and the inhabitants of some villages > awoke to find themselves in different counties, even Lancashire can you > believe!!! > > The Yorkshire Ridings Society has spent the last 42 years ensuring the > Ridings are not forgotten - Google or whatever for details - and on 1 Aug > every year Yorkshire Day is celebrated throughout the County with > festivities and a reading of the Declaration of Integrity of the Ridings. > Every year more people, including local Councils, celebrate this and fly > the flag - one of my neighbours organised a small street party for the > residents of our cul de sac. The media, local and national, report > Yorkshiire Day. > > Maybe one day The Ridings will be restored officially - lets hope so. Maps > may be attractive but they are at odds with the good folk of Yorkshire [g] > > Regards > Jean --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus