On 01 May 1814, Mary MILNES was baptised at St Peter's. Bradford, the daughter of John and Nanny Milnes of Stanning. John was a clothier. I am unable to find Stanning on any map - can someone direct me please. Many thanks Ruth

Hi Roy http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/CUMBERLAND.html was the one I used - some excellent knowledge and a Petra Mitchison has been transcribing the Carlisle papers to the list for some time now - see archives. Regards Jean On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Roy Smith via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > Can anyone suggest a good forum, dealing with Carlisle > especially, > but Cumberland generally. The ones I looked at all seemed very quiet. > > Thanks, > > > Roy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, Can anyone suggest a good forum, dealing with Carlisle especially, but Cumberland generally. The ones I looked at all seemed very quiet. Thanks, Roy

In case I have not thanked everyone for their help. Thank you! Much appreciated. Thanks to Vicki in Australia, I now know that Amos was aka Haman Woodhead. I found a Haman Woodhead baptised in Lightcliffe, in the 1841 census. He is with brother Ephraim (who dies in 1844) and sister Mary who is 1 and father Joseph in the 1841 census. No mother Elizabeth with family. Still looking into this. Thanks for the help. Maggie Marion from a sunny Canada

Thanks Maree - I'd always wondered about the origins of Royd! Andy. At 01:32 18/04/2016, you wrote: >https://myyorkshirefamilytree.wordpress.com

Ambler Woodhead - B September 1867 -Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Dd 1931 in Pokeno, New Zealand - Age 63 yrs https://myyorkshirefamilytree.wordpress.com ROBERT WOODHEAD = SARAH AMBLER

I seem to have hit a brick wall. I am working on a side shoot of my Woodhead tree. Particularly Ambler Woodhead of New Zealand. This has been a interesting side study for me -the Ambler Woodhead's. So far except for this one in NZ, they are all descendants of Robert Woodhead and Sarah Ambler of Northowram. What I have- Ambler Woodhead is born in Huntslet, Yorkshire to Amos Woodhead and Susannah Shaw. Ambler goes on to go to New Zealand, live his life with wife and children and dies there. His father Amos Woodhead born 1839, Shelf, Yorkshire. Now that puts him right in the thick of my Woodhead's. His father is Joseph Woodhead a Collier as per marriage cert. That's as far as I can get with him. I can't really seem to find a birth for Amos with father Joseph Woodhead. My guess is Joseph is a son of Robert and Sarah Ambler that I have not found before or is the son of one of their earlier sons, my best guess would be William. I am not going to go into the William Woodhead's of Shelf, here. What I have is Robert Woodhead marries Sarah Ambler in 1774, they live at Whinney Royd, Northowram, Yorkshire. Children are: 1775 Hannah who marries Richard Bark 1776 William Woodhead ( I think he is William Woodhead who lives at Giles Hill, but I am just now looking into him)- I think Robert has a son, brother and father all called William Woodhead. 1779 Peter (my 4 x's great grandfather ) who marries Susannah Hemingway, he has a son Peter Ambler 1784 Priscilla who marries George Wharton 1787 Robert Jr, who marries Mary Ann Lister- he has a son Ambler born 1824, 1789 Ambler Woodhead who marries Ann Priestly and goes to Lancashire and becomes a brewer. 1791 Sam Woodhead who marries Margaret Thornton and farms in Lancashire 1794 Edmund who marries Elizabeth Clarkson, Edmund dies young. 1797 twins John who first marries Ann Flather and then marries his niece Sybil Wharton and goes to Australia 1797 the other twin, Tom who I think marries Sara Stocks and finally 1800 Henry Alfred Woodhead who dies in 1817 So you can see that there are a few gaps in the children, might be someone missing. I just found Robert Jr. when I got the Halifax marriages cd from the Calderdale Family History group. I was only able to place Ambler Woodhead the brewer in Lancashire because of his death notice, which listed him from Shelf. Ambler Woodheads that are mine. Ambler Woodhead born 1789 of Lancashire a brewer, son of Robert Woodhead and Sarah Ambler Ambler Woodhead born 1824, son of Robert Jr, son of Robert Woodhead and Sarah Ambler (he dies in a cart accident of his own making, going too fast) Ambler Woodhead born 1840, son of John (twin), son of Robert Woodhead and Sarah Ambler Ambler Woodhead born 1856, son of William Henry Woodhead, Peter, Robert Woodhead and Sarah Ambler Ambler Woodhead born 1897 and dies in 1918 in France, son of Peter (Elizabeth Riley), John Hemingway Woodhead (Elizabeth Blackburn, Peter (Susannah Hemingway) son of Robert Woodhead and Sarah Ambler Ambler Woodhead born 1872, son of George Alfred, Robert Jr., Robert Woodhead and Sarah Ambler Peter Ambler born 1812 who would go by Ambler, son of Peter, Robert Woodhead and Sarah Ambler, this Peter Ambler never married or had children. and there are a couple of Robert Amblers, Ambler Flather and Frank Ambler all descendant from Robert Woodhead and Sarah Ambler. I started this search on Ambler Woodhead of New Zealand, thinking he was one of mine, but I am stuck at his father Amos Woodhead and his father Joseph Woodhead. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Except if your advice is to drop the subject, as you can see, I can't do that. >From a finally sunny and warm Canada Maggie Marion

http://www.ozarkhistory.com/snipes.htm ________________________________________ From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com <yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Bill Snipes via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 15 April 2016 5:44:49 a.m. To: YorkGen Subject: [YORKSGEN] Passage to Barbados Among the early records kept in Barbados is the following: "On 11 Feb 1695, on the ship New Adventure, commanded by Capt. Samuel Snipe, the will of Richard Lazenby was written, signed and witnessed." Since a number of members of the Snipe family most of whom lived in Yorkshire, wound up in Barbados, it seems likely that Capt. Samuel Snipe was a family member. I have always assumed that his ship was home-ported in London, since that was the largest seaport, and I know that a Samuel Snipe, b. in Apr 1643 was living in London. My question is, is it likely that passengers traveling to Barbados from Yorkshire would have traveled to London, or was there a closer port to find passage? Bill Snipes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Among the early records kept in Barbados is the following: "On 11 Feb 1695, on the ship New Adventure, commanded by Capt. Samuel Snipe, the will of Richard Lazenby was written, signed and witnessed." Since a number of members of the Snipe family most of whom lived in Yorkshire, wound up in Barbados, it seems likely that Capt. Samuel Snipe was a family member. I have always assumed that his ship was home-ported in London, since that was the largest seaport, and I know that a Samuel Snipe, b. in Apr 1643 was living in London. My question is, is it likely that passengers traveling to Barbados from Yorkshire would have traveled to London, or was there a closer port to find passage? Bill Snipes

Thanks Jackie. The "Pigeoncote Farm" I was inquiring about is at Broomfleet, quite some distance from Seacroft. Thanks for your interest. Murray Reid NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "DepelleJG via" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 9:29 PM Subject: [YORKSGEN] Seacroft Village West Yorkshire > There is an excellent website for the Seacroft Preservation Society which > contains the same pictures of Pigeoncote Farm and more information about > the > Village's history. > > http://home.freeuk.com/seacroft/sctop.htm > > Best wishes > Jackie > > > > Mrs Jacqueline G Depelle > www.yorksgroup.org.uk > Chairman, Yorkshire Group of FHSs > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is it just me - I can't see the connection between Pigeon Cote Farm, Broomfleet and Seacroft. Lots of villages have a Pigeon Cote Farm including my village. Yvonne --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thank you, Jackie. What a marvelous website with the old and current photos, and their explanations. What I liked best were the memories written by Alan Noble, now Church Warden, writing of his childhood years, of the neighbours and the village life in general. Let's all write our own memories...EE http://home.freeuk.com/seacroft/sctop.htm -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DepelleJG via Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:29 AM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Seacroft Village West Yorkshire There is an excellent website for the Seacroft Preservation Society which contains the same pictures of Pigeoncote Farm and more information about the Village's history. Best wishes Jackie Mrs Jacqueline G Depelle www.yorksgroup.org.uk Chairman, Yorkshire Group of FHSs ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is an excellent website for the Seacroft Preservation Society which contains the same pictures of Pigeoncote Farm and more information about the Village's history. http://home.freeuk.com/seacroft/sctop.htm Best wishes Jackie Mrs Jacqueline G Depelle www.yorksgroup.org.uk Chairman, Yorkshire Group of FHSs

Hi Murray! Cousin Davey Tindle here; saw your posting!!!! Hope all is well with you & yours...... Cheers, Davey ________________________________________ From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com <yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of mhhr via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: April 10, 2016 8:11 PM To: Rootsweb ERY; Rootsweb Yorkshire Cc: Bob & Pat Hairsine Subject: [YORKSGEN] Broomfleet Property. Pigeoncote Farm The link below is to an image of Pigeoncote Farm(House) located in Main St, Broomfleet, almost opposite Carr Lane. It would appear by the brickwork that the house has grown over the years, possibly in four stages. I believe my ancestors Isaac & Frances (Tindle) HAIRSINE owned the property. The family is shown on the 1871 (minus Frances as she died in the previous year) census as farming 220 acres. Both are buried in St Mary's graveyard. Appreciate any help to confirm the above and the general history of the property. www.google.co.nz/maps/@53.733208,-0.6673268,3a,75y,206.23h,88.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGFKZLoypCHQDUuOMiY5XDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Thanks Murray Reid NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The East Riding of Yorkshire at The Treasure House archives at Beverley hold the East Riding Registry of Deeds These are refs to property transactions from the early 1700's to around 1970 If you get in touch with the archives they may be able to refer you to a local searcher who could perhaps investigate for you. Deeds Registries are not well known as they only exist for the 3 Yorkshire Ridings and for Middlesex. many books on tracing the history of your house completely ignore these sources of millions of records. Alan Longbottom of Pudsey Leeds -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of mhhr via Sent: 11 April 2016 04:12 To: Rootsweb ERY; Rootsweb Yorkshire Cc: Bob & Pat Hairsine Subject: [YORKSGEN] Broomfleet Property. Pigeoncote Farm The link below is to an image of Pigeoncote Farm(House) located in Main St, Broomfleet, almost opposite Carr Lane. It would appear by the brickwork that the house has grown over the years, possibly in four stages. I believe my ancestors Isaac & Frances (Tindle) HAIRSINE owned the property. The family is shown on the 1871 (minus Frances as she died in the previous year) census as farming 220 acres. Both are buried in St Mary's graveyard. Appreciate any help to confirm the above and the general history of the property. www.google.co.nz/maps/@53.733208,-0.6673268,3a,75y,206.23h,88.71t/data=!3m6! 1e1!3m4!1sGFKZLoypCHQDUuOMiY5XDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Thanks Murray Reid NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Davey still here. Let me know how you are.Sue Cook Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. -------- Original message -------- From: Davey Tindle via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Date: 2016-04-11 4:37 PM (GMT-08:00) To: mhhr <mhhr@xtra.co.nz>, "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Broomfleet Property. Pigeoncote Farm Hi Murray! Cousin Davey Tindle here; saw your posting!!!! Hope all is well with you & yours...... Cheers, Davey ________________________________________ From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com <yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of mhhr via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: April 10, 2016 8:11 PM To: Rootsweb ERY; Rootsweb Yorkshire Cc: Bob & Pat Hairsine Subject: [YORKSGEN] Broomfleet Property. Pigeoncote Farm The link below is to an image of Pigeoncote Farm(House) located in Main St, Broomfleet, almost opposite Carr Lane. It would appear by the brickwork that the house has grown over the years, possibly in four stages. I believe my ancestors Isaac & Frances (Tindle) HAIRSINE owned the property. The family is shown on the 1871 (minus Frances as she died in the previous year) census as farming 220 acres. Both are buried in St Mary's graveyard. Appreciate any help to confirm the above and the general history of the property. www.google.co.nz/maps/@53.733208,-0.6673268,3a,75y,206.23h,88.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGFKZLoypCHQDUuOMiY5XDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Thanks Murray Reid NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another beautiful picture. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pigeon_Cote_Farm,_Broomfleet_-_geograph.org.uk_-_880943.jpg Wikipedia has History of Seacroft where it states Seacroft Village was surrounded by several farms, the largest being Pigeon Cote Farm which was demolished in 1954 to make way for the building of the estate, unusually for estates of the time, the farms were not noted in the names of streets or buildings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Seacroft Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Davey Tindle via" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: "mhhr" <mhhr@xtra.co.nz>; "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Broomfleet Property. Pigeoncote Farm Hi Murray! Cousin Davey Tindle here; saw your posting!!!! Hope all is well with you & yours...... Cheers, Davey ________________________________________ From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com <yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of mhhr via <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: April 10, 2016 8:11 PM To: Rootsweb ERY; Rootsweb Yorkshire Cc: Bob & Pat Hairsine Subject: [YORKSGEN] Broomfleet Property. Pigeoncote Farm The link below is to an image of Pigeoncote Farm(House) located in Main St, Broomfleet, almost opposite Carr Lane. It would appear by the brickwork that the house has grown over the years, possibly in four stages. I believe my ancestors Isaac & Frances (Tindle) HAIRSINE owned the property. The family is shown on the 1871 (minus Frances as she died in the previous year) census as farming 220 acres. Both are buried in St Mary's graveyard. Appreciate any help to confirm the above and the general history of the property. www.google.co.nz/maps/@53.733208,-0.6673268,3a,75y,206.23h,88.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGFKZLoypCHQDUuOMiY5XDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Thanks Murray Reid NZ

The link below is to an image of Pigeoncote Farm(House) located in Main St, Broomfleet, almost opposite Carr Lane. It would appear by the brickwork that the house has grown over the years, possibly in four stages. I believe my ancestors Isaac & Frances (Tindle) HAIRSINE owned the property. The family is shown on the 1871 (minus Frances as she died in the previous year) census as farming 220 acres. Both are buried in St Mary's graveyard. Appreciate any help to confirm the above and the general history of the property. www.google.co.nz/maps/@53.733208,-0.6673268,3a,75y,206.23h,88.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGFKZLoypCHQDUuOMiY5XDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Thanks Murray Reid NZ

Hi Murray I originate from Skelton near Goole and remember my father talking about 'Billy' Hairsine in the 1950s/1960s. Any relation? I probably met him but, you know what it's like when you're a kid, you don't pay attention, so I've no anecdotes I'm afraid! There is an old photo of the Broomfleet house on the Howdenshire History website (a real goldmine), http://www.howdenshirehistory.co.uk/photos/towns-villages-old-photos-ab.php? pageNum_a_b=5&totalRows_a_b=63#imagestart but unfortunately a lot of the building seems to be covered in ivy. You can purchase a copy. The property - OK, based on the Streetview images, here goes. In its current form the house is a fine example of what not to do to a perfectly plain, unassuming house that used to sit quite well within its village context. The right hand quoins were lost when they extended into the barn, unbalancing the house and leaving a brick 'zip fastener'. If they had stepped the new brickwork back a half brick thickness, as the original builders did on each side of the adjacent tower, it would have been better. The original building was built using the old 2 inch high brick with a pale coloured mortar. Reclaimed 2 inch bricks have been used for the new section on the right (looks like reds and harder yellows, possibly 'gaults', which don't match) in a haphazard 'artistic' way but they have struggled a bit for a few courses immediately beneath the gutter and over the first floor window heads because they used 3 inch bricks, which do not course with 2 inch ones. You can see the misaligned mortar beds and thin brick slivver infills here and there abutting the original house. The original windows have been replaced with crude timber 'look-alikes', one with a flat 'arch' (and they didn't even bother to put in a window cill). One original sash window appears to have survived (bottom right). The remaining windows further to the right are fat-framed upvc with false glazing bars between the double glazing units that fool no one. The new porch looks like a child's sentry box and replaces a wider one that was probably better proportioned judging by the marks of it left on the wall. The original building may not have had a porch at all, just timber pilasters each side of the door and a small canopy projecting about 6-8 inches (15-20 cm). The original orangey-red pantiles have been replaced by what was, when new, an angry red concrete replica. It's all in the 'best possible taste' as the late Kenny Everett used to say. People think they are improving these places. It's been going on for well over 40 years in the East Riding. Originally it was the 'Magnet Joinery' type bow windows made with poor quality softwood and small panes of glass and that were so fiddly that nobody got around to repainting the glazing bars (that's probably what happened to the lower left hand window). Most of them are now garden mulch, making way for upvc. The gable parapets and kneelers (projecting stones at the base of each gable) are a real local detail and have survived. Many local brickwork details can also be see in Belgium and the Netherlands, where building in brick generally predates this part of England, as Flemish bricklayers travelled back and forth across the North Sea for work and influenced the local brickies. Looking on the bright side, there have always been people around the area who have done sensitive renovations. Good enough that you would hardly notice them. Dave Bullement, a joiner and funeral director (sadly now retired), did some beautiful work in Howden, including some quite ornate, historically correct shop fronts - you really couldn't tell they were new. I'm not suggesting that everything should be 'olde worlde', since I personally prefer modern, just that these undervalued vernacular buildings should get a bit more respect. Pevsner's architectural guide barely mentions Broomfleet. There are Ordnance Survey maps on the Vision of Britain site. Cheers Geoff Blyth -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mhhr via Sent: 11 April 2016 04:12 To: Rootsweb ERY; Rootsweb Yorkshire Cc: Bob & Pat Hairsine Subject: [YORKSGEN] Broomfleet Property. Pigeoncote Farm The link below is to an image of Pigeoncote Farm(House) located in Main St, Broomfleet, almost opposite Carr Lane. It would appear by the brickwork that the house has grown over the years, possibly in four stages. I believe my ancestors Isaac & Frances (Tindle) HAIRSINE owned the property. The family is shown on the 1871 (minus Frances as she died in the previous year) census as farming 220 acres. Both are buried in St Mary's graveyard. Appreciate any help to confirm the above and the general history of the property. www.google.co.nz/maps/@53.733208,-0.6673268,3a,75y,206.23h,88.71t/data=!3m6! 1e1!3m4!1sGFKZLoypCHQDUuOMiY5XDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Thanks Murray Reid NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret Hood Street is in Ancoats, just outside Manchester city centre, an area where lots of mills, mill workers and Italians settled in Manchester's cotton boom. You can 'walk' down the street on Google maps street view and there's a large Victorian building opposite St Peter's (Anglican) church which could well have been the hostel. The church is now used for rehearsal space and concerts by the famous Halle Orchestra. http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/448/archives_and_local_history Manchester has a good local history archive online best wishes Jane -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Cambridge via Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 3:57 PM To: Nivard Ovington ; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Walton House Municipal Hostel, Manchester Hi Nivard, I guess it was a men's hostel as 99% of the people there are elderly men. A few women as unpaid domestics and my great aunt, Beatrice M. STEAD, b 15 March 1883, was a grocer's assistant. On studying the image further I find it was Men's Homes M/C Salford, Methodist Mission, 24 Hood Street, Manchester 4 and I have been able to find more information on line. Thanks for giving me that kick Nivard. Number one on my list of 'how to do better' is 'become more observant'....LOL Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington via" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Walton House Municipal Hostel, Manchester Hi Marg The only mention I can find of a Walton House Manchester is one on Harrison street but it appears to be a male hostel Do you have detail to enable finding of the place in the 1939 so I can see the location The wording Municipal Hostel suggests temporary accommodation run by the council Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/04/2016 20:56, Margaret Cambridge via wrote: > I found my grandmother's sister in Walton House Municipal Hostel in the > 1939 Register. She was a single 56 year old woman who is recorded as a > Grocery shop assistant. > > Would this be a place she may stay for a long period or was it temporary. > > Thanks for any info. I have checked on line but can't find much about it. > > Marg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message