Thank you to everyone who took the time to help me with trying to find wills.  I hadn't realized that getting wills would have proved so difficult, timewise. I am happy to say that most of the wills I was looking for are in the process of being put in the mail, in just over 24 hours since I made the query.  How did that happen?   It certainly helps to have such good friends from the List....especially one who took a trip to Salt Lake City, Utah today and managed to get me copies of these wills.  That's something I learned ....The Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah has copies of wills up to a certain year.  So very very grateful to a friend for her help. Janet

Last week I received a will that I'd ordered by post from Leeds - a mere three and a half months after I sent the order, though they paid my cheque in promptly enough. No explanation or apology, they wouldn't deal with enquiries over the phone, and email enquiries weren't even acknowledged, let alone replied to. Arthur On 14/05/2012 17:17, CHRISTINE WILLOTT wrote: > Hate to say this folks but recently I went to Holborn to get some wills. Time was when you paid £3 and came home with the will on the same day Now it costs more and you have to wait for them to be posted. From memory I think they cost £9 each and I think it took about 3 weeks for them to arrive. I came to the conclusion that I could have saved my train fare and ordered directly from Leeds. > > > Chris

Hate to say this folks but recently I went to Holborn to get some wills. Time was when you paid £3 and came home with the will on the same day Now it costs more and you have to wait for them to be posted. From memory I think they cost £9 each and I think it took about 3 weeks for them to arrive. I came to the conclusion that I could have saved my train fare and ordered directly from Leeds. Chris ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: janetlovegrove@rogers.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 14 May 2012, 14:27 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Ordering Wills Hi Janet Through a similar conversation recently I contacted my local office (Bodmin which is a sub Registry) who said it would probably take a couple of weeks given payment and the right details So I then emailed London as it was said copies could be had over the counter same day, their reply copied below ===================== Dear Sir or Madam, We no longer have a same day service.  Copies can be requested when attending the London Registry either to be picked up in 48 hours or posted out in 10 days. The index is for England and Wales post 1858 Please see the link below. http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills Principal Probate Registry First Avenue House 42-49 High Holborn London WC1 6NP 0207 947 6953 DX 160011 Kingsway 7 ===================== My advice would be to enquire direct yourself with York and see what they say I know they have access to an index but do not know if its their own or Ancestrys? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS if you got them today it might take you the 26 days to fathom out what they mean if my experience is anything to go on <vbg> PPS have you checked Ancestrys probate index ? (assuming the wills are between 1861 & 1941) to see if there is a will ? Hi Everyone I am looking to order about 12 wills for a Family Get Together in 26 days from now. I understand that you can only order thru the Postal Service for Leeds. I notice that York has a Sub Registry. Does anyone know if you can get wills from this office? If not, does anyone have any idea where we can walk in and apply for the wills. Don't have a whole lot of time and I think the Postal Service would make it too late. Thanks for any suggestions. Janet ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janet Through a similar conversation recently I contacted my local office (Bodmin which is a sub Registry) who said it would probably take a couple of weeks given payment and the right details So I then emailed London as it was said copies could be had over the counter same day, their reply copied below ===================== Dear Sir or Madam, We no longer have a same day service. Copies can be requested when attending the London Registry either to be picked up in 48 hours or posted out in 10 days. The index is for England and Wales post 1858 Please see the link below. http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills Principal Probate Registry First Avenue House 42-49 High Holborn London WC1 6NP 0207 947 6953 DX 160011 Kingsway 7 ===================== My advice would be to enquire direct yourself with York and see what they say I know they have access to an index but do not know if its their own or Ancestrys? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS if you got them today it might take you the 26 days to fathom out what they mean if my experience is anything to go on <vbg> PPS have you checked Ancestrys probate index ? (assuming the wills are between 1861 & 1941) to see if there is a will ? Hi Everyone I am looking to order about 12 wills for a Family Get Together in 26 days from now. I understand that you can only order thru the Postal Service for Leeds. I notice that York has a Sub Registry. Does anyone know if you can get wills from this office? If not, does anyone have any idea where we can walk in and apply for the wills. Don't have a whole lot of time and I think the Postal Service would make it too late. Thanks for any suggestions. Janet

Well, I understand the feelings of those who have been before and ca n't come this year.  However, I couldn't take it an longer!  Like Jane, I have relented and have my husband working on an acceptable flight!!!  I can't convince him to come with me, though.  My l ast trip to York was in 2006 (I was a merry widow then, who drove a car full of Yorksgenners on various "adventures" on a number of occasions).  I've missed you guys!!!!!!  Jane's remark about "old people talking about dead people" clinched it for him.  Since that's how I spend most of my time helping people in my area with their genealogical problems, he knows only too well that her remark is true!!!!  He knows I can have a great time and I will come armed with laptop filled with pictures of wedding, grandchildren, & some genealogy as well. See you on the second week! Judy Peterson, Massachusetts, USA

I am getting greener by the day as you all talk about the yorksgen "?holiday?" because we are unable to come this year, Dave hasn't been well though he is better now.   Hopefully we will make it next year (fingers crossed) if Janice is kind enough to arrange one for next year.   I will write off list to you.   Please enjoy yourselves as you work hard, I look forward to reading all about it. Lorna (NZ)        --- On Mon, 14/5/12, Sue Taylor <sutaylor@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: From: Sue Taylor <sutaylor@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] yorksgen holiday To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 14, May, 2012, 12:32 AM Yorksgen holiday, what holiday?  I have a full itinerary of visits to numerous records offices / archives/ research centres where I will beaver away from morning to night attempting to decipher indecipherable records. Because we work so hard it is only right that we take the odd break and go out for meals, drinks, fish'n'chips at the seaside, trips up the dales, visits to interesting places and events, shopping, boat trips .......  It's not easy fitting all this in in 2 weeks :-) There are so many good things about going to Yorksgen and the 'icing on the cake' is the interest, support and help given by the other Yorksgeners, priceless. Sue

Hi Everyone   I am looking to order about 12 wills for a Family Get Together in 26 days from now.  I understand that you can only order thru the Postal Service for Leeds.  I notice that York has a Sub Registry.  Does anyone know if you can get wills from this office?   If not, does anyone have any idea where we can walk in and apply for the wills.  Don't have a whole lot of time and I think the Postal Service would make it too late.   Thanks for any suggestions.   Janet

Dear all, > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: yorksgen holiday > The more I read about the Yorksgen holiday, the worse I feel. I really can't make it. First, I am to be the keynote speaker at the British Historical Society AGM on July 11th in Lisbon - which rules the first week out. Then, AIIC - the association of which I am a Member of Council (i.e., sort of Board of Governors) is definitely considering moving our early July meeting to the last week in July in Geneva, so that's the second week out. In fact, there has been so much going on with the restructuring of AIIC since January that I haven't had a minute to devote to genealogy all year which is especially annoying because I have some urgent research in the Wakefield/Dewsbury/Hartshead area to carry out. So I guess I shall just have to sit here and read all of your wonderful emails about plans, doings, successes, etc., and go even greener with jealously. Take care all, Magdalena -- *MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS* *Member of Council for the Portugal Region* *AIIC* *- International Association of Conference Interpreters* www.aiicportugal.pt prt-region-councilmembers@aiic.net<http://prt-region-councilmembers.aiic.net/> *MGG *m.gorrell@aiic.net http://www.mgorrell.eu tiltonpt@gmail.com *Membro da Direcção Nacional do SNATTI* Sindicato Nacional da Actividade Turística Tradutores e Intérpretes http://www.snatti.org AIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters --- http://aiic.net

IF Brigitte is still on the list, could she e-mail me as I have a contact who has just got a lot of information on Charlie Beanland (Sammy) and the Waterloo Pierrots from postcards etc. Lin A true friend walks in when the world walks out

Thank you so much to all the people who have been helping with this. The main consensus confirms our own interpretation as Doram (Durham) Staindale. However I have just discovered a hamlet called Staindale in the parish of Bilsdale Midcable which is only 14 miles from the Durham/Yorkshire border as the crow flies, so definitely worth investigating. It's not actually my family, it's a long standing brickwall of my friend going back over 20 years which we decided to have another go at. Brenda Original Message ----- From: JANICE WOOD To: CHRISTINE WILLOTT ; Brenda Green ; yorksgen Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Help with deciphering please Hi Brenda, In 1851, that census enumerator's writing was not at all clear, however, in other pages he has written Durham quite clearly. He has also missed out the county names altogether in many entries. Thomas Hall, as written there in 1851, could easily be mistaken for James. Don't we wish they had given enumerators a handwriting test before they began!!! As Elizabeth is 81 in 1851, it is very likely that she didn't make it to be counted in 1861. Her family, with her grandson Thomas Hall, were in York in 1861, where some of their children appear to have been born, so perhaps she went to York with them in the early 60s. They lived then in the district of St Michael le Belfry. It might be worth looking in the parish registers for St Michael, and other nearby parishes, for Elizabeth's burial. There are several Elizabeth Dickson in the York Registration District in the deaths index, however, the YorkshireBMD index does help to narrow these down a bit. Although the index does not give any ages at that time, the parish register will. As there are 24 parish churches within the city of York, and several more within the York RD, it is a bit of a daunting task to search, and then she may have died in Hull before they moved to York. Good luck! Janice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> To: Brenda Green <brendagreen@yorkshireancestors.com>; yorksgen <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2012, 8:34 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Help with deciphering please Hi Brenda, As it's you asking you have probably tried this but under these circumstances, I usually go to the next census and see what that says. i.e In this case Elizabeth Dickson in the 1861. Some enumerators hand writing is easier to read than others. Hope to see you in July Chris ________________________________ From: Brenda Green <brendagreen@yorkshireancestors.com> To: yorksgen <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 12 May 2012, 23:00 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Help with deciphering please Hi everybody Could anyone suggest where the birthplace of Elizabeth Dickson was? 1851 census. HO/107/2363 Folio 933 page 18. Line 8. Many thanks for any suggestions anyone may have. Brenda ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, as I said to my daughter "There's nothing like old people sitting around a table talking about dead people". On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Sue Taylor <sutaylor@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Yorksgen holiday, what holiday?  I have a full itinerary of visits to > numerous records offices / archives/ research centres where I will > beaver away from morning to night attempting to decipher indecipherable > records. > > Because we work so hard it is only right that we take the odd break and > go out for meals, drinks, fish'n'chips at the seaside, trips up the > dales, visits to interesting places and events, shopping, boat trips > ......  It's not easy fitting all this in in 2 weeks :-) > > There are so many good things about going to Yorksgen and the 'icing on > the cake' is the interest, support and help given by the other > Yorksgeners, priceless. > Sue > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As my youngest says I research people who can't argue back! Looking forward to seeing everyone in July. LL -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Lachs Sent: 13 May 2012 16:51 To: Sue Taylor Cc: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] yorksgen holiday Yes, as I said to my daughter "There's nothing like old people sitting around a table talking about dead people". On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Sue Taylor <sutaylor@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Yorksgen holiday, what holiday?  I have a full itinerary of visits to > numerous records offices / archives/ research centres where I will > beaver away from morning to night attempting to decipher > indecipherable records. > > Because we work so hard it is only right that we take the odd break > and go out for meals, drinks, fish'n'chips at the seaside, trips up > the dales, visits to interesting places and events, shopping, boat > trips ......  It's not easy fitting all this in in 2 weeks :-) > > There are so many good things about going to Yorksgen and the 'icing > on the cake' is the interest, support and help given by the other > Yorksgeners, priceless. > Sue > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

____________________________________ From: Tsbrett@aol.com To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 5/12/2012 12:07:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time Subj: Fwd: From Denver Colorado I am forwarding this email re Bretts of Middlesbrough. Please email me _tsbrett@aol.com_ (mailto:tsbrett@aol.com) Of the eight children of Michael and Catherine Corcoran Brett. Mary Ann Wray wife of Patrick Brett came to Chicago with her two sons Thomas and James. Elizabeth "Lizzie" Bret married Manus Conway and they came Chicago with children Parrick Joseph and Thomas Patrick and later had 4 more children in US. Catherine Brett ma John McGuone had three chilren and died in 1916 and John married her sister Hannah Brett. William and Daniel Brett I believe stayed and died in Middlesbrough unmarried. Mary Brett m David Cavanagh they had 7 children between 1892 and 1910. They may have come to US. Margaret m Thomas Finn. Thank you Tomme Brett Kadotani ____________________________________ From: Tsbrett@aol.com To: moderatorofthecuria@dioceseofmiddlesbrough.co.uk Sent: 5/12/2012 11:46:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time Subj: From Denver Colorado To whom it may concern, My name is Tommie Brett Kadotani and I am the grandaughter of Patrick Brett b 1 Dec 1870 Middlesbrough and Mary Ann Wray b 9 Jun 1877 West Hartlepool. Their son Patrick Brett b 4 Jan 1902 Middlesbrough is. my father. On an earlier trip to Middlesbrough I visited the Archives in Middlesbrough where they had parish records from St. Mary's Parish and St. Peters Parish. I obtained a lot of information on this trip but did not realize extent of the material and the relationship to my research. I anticipate being in Yorkshire next January probably the 6th and 7th of January. I would like to revisit the repository of this material but do not have the information necessary to contact them. I can find no record of my grandfather death. . His last child James Brett was born 28 Sep 1905. Mary Ann Wray Brett arrived in the US at NY on the "Caronis" out of Liverpool on the 31 of July 1910. She is a Widow and is bound for Chicago, Illinois. I can find no record of the death of my grandfather. Patrick Brett b 22 Sep 1871 is the st cousin of my Patrick Brett and the former I believe died in Middlesbrough Dec of 1934. I mention this due to the closeness of birthdates. Do you have a record of the death of a Patrick Brett between 1905 and 1910. Thank you for your kind attention to this matter. If necessary you may forward this email to whomever might be able to provide an answer to my query. Tommie Brett Kadotani Denver, Colorado

Hi Brenda, The Staindale that is in Bilsdale is a farm rather than a hamlet Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Brenda Green <brendagreen@yorkshireancestors.com> To: JANICE WOOD <janwood50@btinternet.com>; CHRISTINE WILLOTT <christine.willott@btopenworld.com>; yorksgen <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:20 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Help with deciphering please - Thankyou Thank you so much to all the people who have been helping with this. The main onsensus confirms our own interpretation as Doram (Durham) Staindale. However I ave just discovered a hamlet called Staindale in the parish of Bilsdale idcable which is only 14 miles from the Durham/Yorkshire border as the crow lies, so definitely worth investigating. It's not actually my family, it's a long standing brickwall of my friend going ack over 20 years which we decided to have another go at. Brenda riginal Message ----- From: JANICE WOOD To: CHRISTINE WILLOTT ; Brenda Green ; yorksgen Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Help with deciphering please Hi Brenda, In 1851, that census enumerator's writing was not at all clear, however, in ther pages he has written Durham quite clearly. He has also missed out the ounty names altogether in many entries. Thomas Hall, as written there in 1851, ould easily be mistaken for James. Don't we wish they had given enumerators a andwriting test before they began!!! As Elizabeth is 81 in 1851, it is very likely that she didn't make it to be ounted in 1861. Her family, with her grandson Thomas Hall, were in York in 861, where some of their children appear to have been born, so perhaps she went o York with them in the early 60s. They lived then in the district of St ichael le Belfry. It might be worth looking in the parish registers for St ichael, and other nearby parishes, for Elizabeth's burial. There are several Elizabeth Dickson in the York Registration District in the eaths index, however, the YorkshireBMD index does help to narrow these down a it. Although the index does not give any ages at that time, the parish register ill. As there are 24 parish churches within the city of York, and several more ithin the York RD, it is a bit of a daunting task to search, and then she may ave died in Hull before they moved to York. Good luck! Janice ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> To: Brenda Green <brendagreen@yorkshireancestors.com>; yorksgen yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2012, 8:34 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Help with deciphering please Hi Brenda, As it's you asking you have probably tried this but under these circumstances, usually go to the next census and see what that says. i.e In this case lizabeth Dickson in the 1861. Some enumerators hand writing is easier to read han others. Hope to see you in July Chris ________________________________ From: Brenda Green <brendagreen@yorkshireancestors.com> To: yorksgen <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 12 May 2012, 23:00 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Help with deciphering please Hi everybody Could anyone suggest where the birthplace of Elizabeth Dickson was? 1851 census. HO/107/2363 Folio 933 page 18. Line 8. Many thanks for any suggestions anyone may have. Brenda ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message .... ncestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; ww.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; ww.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Absolutely So please come forward and book your place, not only for Jackie's lecture day, but also for a seat from York. I understand from Janice that there are 4 rooms left in week two.  First come first served. Chris ________________________________ From: JANICE WOOD <janwood50@btinternet.com> To: CHRISTINE WILLOTT <christine.willott@btopenworld.com>; "DepelleJG@aol.com" <DepelleJG@aol.com>; "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2012, 11:58 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] yorksgen holiday & Lecture Day Hi Chris, If there are more people travelling from York than we can accommodate in our cars, we can hire a minibus. The more the merrier!!! Jackie might have to think about hiring a larger venue for the day? Janice ________________________________ From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> To: "DepelleJG@aol.com" <DepelleJG@aol.com>; "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2012, 11:12 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] yorksgen holiday Re speakers day I am taking, Elaine Mullins, Carol Meggit and Sue Taylor so my car is full. If anyone else needs a ride to Pudsey, please can they contact Janice. If we have too many needing lifts, we may have to do a ferry service from the station. Chris ________________________________ ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yorksgen holiday, what holiday? I have a full itinerary of visits to numerous records offices / archives/ research centres where I will beaver away from morning to night attempting to decipher indecipherable records. Because we work so hard it is only right that we take the odd break and go out for meals, drinks, fish'n'chips at the seaside, trips up the dales, visits to interesting places and events, shopping, boat trips ...... It's not easy fitting all this in in 2 weeks :-) There are so many good things about going to Yorksgen and the 'icing on the cake' is the interest, support and help given by the other Yorksgeners, priceless. Sue

Hello Brenda Might be a long shot but would you fancy: Doram = Durham i.e "somewhere up north" Staindale as an abbreviation for Staintondale which is certainly "up north" as far as Hull is concerned. Regards Mabel in NZ -----Original Message----- From: Brenda Green Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:00 AM To: yorksgen Subject: [YORKSGEN] Help with deciphering please Hi everybody Could anyone suggest where the birthplace of Elizabeth Dickson was? 1851 census. HO/107/2363 Folio 933 page 18. Line 8. Many thanks for any suggestions anyone may have. Brenda

Hi Brenda, In 1851, that census enumerator's writing was not at all clear, however, in other pages he has written Durham quite clearly.  He has also missed out the county names altogether in many entries. Thomas Hall, as written there in 1851, could easily be mistaken for James. Don't we wish they had given enumerators a handwriting test before they began!!! As Elizabeth is 81 in 1851, it is very likely that she didn't make it to be counted in 1861. Her family, with her grandson Thomas Hall, were in York in 1861, where some of their children appear to have been born, so perhaps she went to York with them in the early 60s. They lived then in the district of St Michael le Belfry. It might be worth looking in the parish registers for St Michael, and other nearby parishes, for Elizabeth's burial. There are several Elizabeth Dickson in the York Registration District in the deaths index, however, the YorkshireBMD index does help to narrow these down a bit. Although the index does not give any ages at that time, the parish register will. As there are 24 parish churches within the city of York, and several more within the York RD, it is a bit of a daunting task to search, and then she may have died in Hull before they moved to York. Good luck! Janice ________________________________ From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> To: Brenda Green <brendagreen@yorkshireancestors.com>; yorksgen <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2012, 8:34 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Help with deciphering please Hi Brenda, As it's you asking you have probably tried this but under these circumstances, I usually go to the next census and see what that says. i.e In this case  Elizabeth Dickson in the  1861. Some enumerators hand writing is easier to read than others. Hope to see you in July Chris ________________________________ From: Brenda Green <brendagreen@yorkshireancestors.com> To: yorksgen <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 12 May 2012, 23:00 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Help with deciphering please Hi everybody Could anyone suggest where the birthplace of Elizabeth Dickson was? 1851 census. HO/107/2363 Folio 933 page 18. Line 8. Many thanks for any suggestions anyone may have. Brenda ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris, If there are more people travelling from York than we can accommodate in our cars, we can hire a minibus. The more the merrier!!! Jackie might have to think about hiring a larger venue for the day? Janice ________________________________ From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> To: "DepelleJG@aol.com" <DepelleJG@aol.com>; "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2012, 11:12 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] yorksgen holiday Re speakers day I am taking, Elaine Mullins, Carol Meggit and Sue Taylor so my car is full. If anyone else needs a ride to Pudsey, please can they contact Janice. If we have too many needing lifts, we may have to do a ferry service from the station. Chris ________________________________ ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Jane Woodall" <jane.woodall@virgin.net> > Hi Brenda > > I think definitely Doram - misspelling of Durham - Staindale. > > best wishes > > Jane > Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anywhere, anytime > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brenda Green > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:00 PM > To: yorksgen > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Help with deciphering please > > Hi everybody > > Could anyone suggest where the birthplace of Elizabeth Dickson > was? > > 1851 census. HO/107/2363 Folio 933 page 18. Line 8. > > Many thanks for any suggestions anyone may have. > > Brenda> Having looked at it, I tend to agree with Jane. There seems to be a widespread belief that all census enumerators must have been literate and well educated men. I do not believe this necessarily to be the case, especially in 1851! Just because someone could read and write - when perhaps the majority of the people they were dealing with couldn't - didn't necessarily make them top of the class in spelling. We also have to remember the problem of accents and pronunciation in different parts of Yorkshire. The enumerator wrote down what he thought he heard and "Doram" could certainly be attributed to Durham. I also think the, admittedly indistinct, place name could be Staindale. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE