Hi Bob, You need to do some background reading on the history of women carers. Off the top of my head Barbara Ehrinreich's writing may be of help. You cannot put today's interpretation of the word 'nurse' onto the mid 19th century. Simplistically - in the past most people could not afford a doctor so a tradition of women carers arose whereby knowledge was passed down by word of mouth from mother to daughter. Hence the term 'old wives tales'.  Remember medical knowledge at the time was often not much better! Often the woman who delivered the babies also laid out the dead.  As far as 'professional' nursing in the UK goes, Florence Nightingale took her experiences and what she had learned in Germany in the 1850s to the Crimea. The Nightingale school of nursing was founded at St Thomas' in London in 1860. She was amongst the first in establishing professional nursing in the UK. You do not tell us if you think the photos are taken in Australia or the UK. You say there is a red cross on the 'veil'. This makes me wonder if the uniform comes from the time of the first world war. By the way, the original purpose of the nurses' cap was to prevent the wearer catching lice from the patient. You also have to remember the context of 19th century healthcare.  Essentially the levels were; If you were wealthy the doctor came to you at home. Even surgery was conducted in a patient's home Then there were the voluntary hospitals. Admission to these was controlled by people who had contributed financially to the hospital and could therefore nominate patients. If discharged as incurable, the patient was not allowed to be readmitted. Bottom of the heap was the workhouse hospital. Care was usually given by the workhouse inmates. The Royal College of Nursing in London have a history section.  http://www.rcn.org.uk/development/communities/specialisms/history_of_nursing They may be able to help you with identifying the uniform. I am inclined to think your Nurse Jackson  was a woman carer or that the date is later. HTH Chris ________________________________ From: Bob May <tpibob44@bigpond.com> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012, 8:40 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Nursing records My mystery deepens when I unpacked a case of photos today. Among them are some dura type (on glass photos) and on the back of one is Nurse Jackson 1854 Died 1860 (this is the alleged date of birth of Alice below - did she die in child birth - but also Alice was a Nurse + midwife) then two other names Alfred 1854 (son I am guessing) and I think it is Shirley 1857 (dau?) then To Edith May 9 1907 There is another that could have been the same woman at a younger age or could be a daughter and another of three women, the centre one, I believe is the said nurse and of the other two, one dress in dark clothing like her maybe a sister and the other in white maybe a younger sister or niece. There is also a male - is it the Alfred above or her husband? On all these there is a familial likeness. Two other photos are definitely different. One of them is a Marrett as it matches another photo I have and the other may be a Richards as it fits into the families that are connected and a likeness to a descendant. The Marrett photos are possibly John c 1820-1892 Modbury and or Samuel c 1859-1929 Dry Creek/Gilles Plains. Also a photo of a group of ladies in white uniform with a cross at the front of the veil and a sigh Modbury Circle top and bottom of a circle with a cross in the centre. Standing slightly separate as you would expect a matron is a woman who looks very much like the Nurse Jackson above. Bob DNA Projects I2*, ISOGG new I2b, I2c HG & Tyler Surname and ISOGG YTree  A Fair Deal for Members of the Defence and Ex Service Community. From: Bob May <tpibob44@bigpond.com> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2012, 12:29 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Nursing records Hi all Any hints of where to look for records for a Nursing Sister married in SA 26 Apr 1881 St Luke Church Adelaide South Australia She was born in Yorkshire c 1860 and according to the information on her death certificate she was in Australia from c 1874 so would estimate she was 14 when she moved. With or without her family? Also because of her age she trained in Australia, but could she have been in service to a Doctor who emigrated and she went as well? Her name Alice (Ann on some certificates and not on others) Jackson father John Some hint of a family story that she went with her brother searching for their father, so suspect mother dies around this time. No real help from census records to date as the likely ones by name can all be found by marriage or 1881 census still in UK. Bob DNA Projects I2*, ISOGG new I2b, I2c HG & Tyler Surname and ISOGG YTree  A Fair Deal for Members of the Defence and Ex Service Community. ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Any hints of where to look for records for a Nursing Sister married in SA 26 Apr 1881 St Luke Church Adelaide South Australia She was born in Yorkshire c 1860 and according to the information on her death certificate she was in Australia from c 1874 so would estimate she was 14 when she moved. With or without her family? Also because of her age she trained in Australia, but could she have been in service to a Doctor who emigrated and she went as well? Her name Alice (Ann on some certificates and not on others) Jackson father John Some hint of a family story that she went with her brother searching for their father, so suspect mother dies around this time. No real help from census records to date as the likely ones by name can all be found by marriage or 1881 census still in UK. Bob DNA Projects I2*, ISOGG new I2b, I2c HG & Tyler Surname and ISOGG YTree A Fair Deal for Members of the Defence and Ex Service Community.

On 20 May 2012 18:24, ERIC JOHNSON <eric.johnson.wrg@btinternet.com> wrote: > Does anyone know how to find out the details of why a Military Medal was > awarded? > I have a great uncle, Herbert Wentworth Beaumont, who one it twice but > no-one in the family knows why. > > Lorraine > There are no MM citations listed in the London Gazette, with only a couple of exceptions (mainly post-war). The recommendations for all WW1 gallantry awards was lost in the bombing of WW2. Thus citations for MMs are now very rare. All the Gazettes will show you are the Entries {[ie a List of Recipients of the MM,MSM,Etc]Unlike the DCM,most MCs,etc}giving their Number,Rank,Name & Regiment,latterly the Home Town~post 1916}There are a few Citations for the MM published in the Gazette but these pertain mainly to Nurses; North Russia or The Middle East,post 1919,The Best place to Try to find a Citation{or @ least an idea of why it was awarded is to trawl,the Contemporary Local Press of the Recipient if Known,for around 6 Months Prior to & 6 Months after the LG Promulgation Date,as Press releases were often published with ,albiet ,rudimentary "Citation" details, Tony Cheal http://www.harrogatepeopleandplaces.info http://sites.google.com/site/harrogatenamesdatabase/ https://sites.google.com/site/harrogatesnippets/home tony.teecee@gmail.com

Does anyone know how to find out the details of why a Military Medal was awarded? I have a great uncle, Herbert Wentworth Beaumont, who one it twice but no-one in the family knows why. Lorraine

Hi Bob, The General Nursing Council for Nursing was not established until 1919, see the NMC web site  Each country had their own register. http://www.nmc-uk.org/About-us/The-history-of-nursing-and-midwifery-regulation/ She will therefore not be on any records there. Before 1919 probationer nurses were given a certificate on completion of their course by their training hospital. I doubt very much that someone of 14 would have been old enough to enter training but individual hospitals training records are often deposited at local archives. Chris ________________________________ From: Bob May <tpibob44@bigpond.com> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 20 May 2012, 12:29 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Nursing records Hi all Any hints of where to look for records for a Nursing Sister married in SA 26 Apr 1881 St Luke Church Adelaide South Australia She was born in Yorkshire c 1860 and according to the information on her death certificate she was in Australia from c 1874 so would estimate she was 14 when she moved. With or without her family? Also because of her age she trained in Australia, but could she have been in service to a Doctor who emigrated and she went as well? Her name Alice (Ann on some certificates and not on others) Jackson father John Some hint of a family story that she went with her brother searching for their father, so suspect mother dies around this time. No real help from census records to date as the likely ones by name can all be found by marriage or 1881 census still in UK. Bob DNA Projects I2*, ISOGG new I2b, I2c HG & Tyler Surname and ISOGG YTree  A Fair Deal for Members of the Defence and Ex Service Community. ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can you be more geographically specific. Military medals for which country? England, Canada, US? Since Canada is part of the Commonwealth we may have answers for you on our website at Canada Veterans Affairs. Please see http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/collections/cmdp/mainmenu Click on the appropriate era: such as War Medals (1866-1918). Several medals are shown. Those who were in Egypt, South Africa, WWI, etc. The Terms, Bars, Description of the medal, photo of obverse and reverse side, mounting, lots of information. Enjoy! Lyn Lyn Meehan, Wild Rose Genealogy Western Canada's Family Historian 10323 -150 Street Edmonton, Alberta CANADA T5P 1P6 Ph/Fax: (780) 443-0540 Email: wildrosegenealogy@shaw.ca Website: www.lynmeehan.ca Professional Genealogist Library Reference Specialist ----- Original Message ----- From: ERIC JOHNSON <eric.johnson.wrg@btinternet.com> Date: Sunday, May 20, 2012 11:24 am Subject: [YORKSGEN] Miltary Medal To: "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> > Does anyone know how to find out the details of why a Military > Medal was awarded? > I have a great uncle, Herbert Wentworth Beaumont, who one it > twice but no-one in the family knows why. > > Lorraine > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html;www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List, I have a John Henry PICKERING bn 1861 in Lincolnshire who was in 1911 census in HM prison in Henderson Rd Hull age 50 Could anyone get his court record or show us how to get it ourselves online? We have tried the Old Bailey site with no success. any help would be most appreciated Thank you Barbara & Nicole New Zealand bardus@xtra.co.nz -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 7166 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

For a friend - does anyone know of MIs for Illingworth online? Thanks Jackie Lecture Day : 21st July 2012 www.yourfairladies.co.uk

Hello Peter Her name was Alice Banke of Stackhouse, and all I can glean is that she had a sister, unnamed, and her sister's children were Lawrence lister and Elizabeth (as written). I assume three children here. (I know assumptions are dangerous!) Regards Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: "YORKSGEN" <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] help with the wording of a will > Elaine, > > What's her name? That should be a big clue. > > Do you know her age and if she was married? > > In older times "brother in law" had the meaning of "at law" or "under > the law" rather than today's meaning of a sibling's husband. > > Do you have any other data on her family and siblings? > > Peter > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, I have a transcription of a will dated 1567 as follows ".........I give and bequeath unto my good brother Leonard Symondson................I ordain and make the said Leonard Symondson my brother in law my true and lawful executor of this my last will etc..." Now, is Leonard her brother or brother in law? Would the wording these days be ".....I ordain and make the said Leonard Symondson my brother, in law my true and lawful executor of this my last will etc..." Any suggestions gratefully received! Regards Elaine

Hi Elaine, Good brother used generally to mean brother-in-law. I am not clear on your later email as to what her sister's children were called and you don't mention the name of her brother-in-law. So I am not sure whether that fits. Hope this helps, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Mullins Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:25 AM To: YORKSGEN Subject: [YORKSGEN] help with the wording of a will Hello all, I have a transcription of a will dated 1567 as follows ".........I give and bequeath unto my good brother Leonard Symondson................I ordain and make the said Leonard Symondson my brother in law my true and lawful executor of this my last will etc..." Now, is Leonard her brother or brother in law? Would the wording these days be ".....I ordain and make the said Leonard Symondson my brother, in law my true and lawful executor of this my last will etc..." Any suggestions gratefully received! Regards Elaine ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elaine, What's her name? That should be a big clue. Do you know her age and if she was married? In older times "brother in law" had the meaning of "at law" or "under the law" rather than today's meaning of a sibling's husband. Do you have any other data on her family and siblings? Peter

Thanks i did wonder if they were trying to protect what they had. Mary Jane's father died in the 1890s so would have been after the married women's property act. I think it was Lloyd George's liberal government that introduced national insurance. If I remember aright, initially it only covered the husband, the assumption being that if the working man was covered, he could look after his family. They were not to know it at the time, but Mary Jane predeceased William by many years. Chris PS That assumption about the husband carried on for a long time. I only paid my stamp at the married woman's rate. I now get my pension based on my husband's contributions. ________________________________ From: Jane Woodall <jane.woodall@virgin.net> To: CHRISTINE WILLOTT <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> Cc: yorksgen <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012, 7:24 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] update on finding Emily Chatterton Hi Christine   I don’t read it as though she took him to court – more as though he had filed for bankruptcy because he owed £269 he couldn’t pay – it doesn’t even say his creditors forced him into it. From what they say about him starting the business with no capital, Mary Jane’s two houses and shops and her letting him trade from one and him being conned out of a pony and trap at a horse fair, it sounds as though he wasn’t a particularly good businessman  - or had been having stayed in business 25 years but had begun to lose the plot.   Under the Married Women’s Property Act 1882 the houses were Mary Jane’s  to keep and she was treated as a separate legal entity to her husband. She is making a claim here for £118 on life policies – presumably to protect her interests in the insurance policy (pre pensions which didn’t come in till 1908 I believe) and the furniture just like any other person to whom the bankrupt owes money. They’re both still living together in the 1901 and 1911 censuses so doesn’t seem to be anything other than her doing what she needed to to protect her interests.   Maybe others know more about bankruptcy but that’s my take anyway   cheers   Jane     From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:42 AM To: Jane Woodall Cc: yorksgen Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] update on finding Emily Chatterton   Thank you soooo much.   it looks as though the principal debtor was his wife Mary Jane Chatterton. She was a milliner who in one census is decribed somewhat grandiosly as a court milliner.   The properties in Cheapside were left to her in a codicil to her father Richard Kay's will.   I find it very odd that the prinicipal debtor seems to have been his wife. I could never have taken my husband to court! However perhaps it was a ruse to prevent the other debtors getting their hands on things like the furniture.   In her will, Mary Jane talks about my beloved husband, but perhaps that is 'standard' language.   Kew have replied today to say that only about 5% of records for bankruptcyproceedings survive. It therefore may be futile to go to Kew to find the record. They also said that the records would be difficult to trace. This seems odd to me as I know the date of the announcement in the London Gazette, which court it was and I know the name and address of the person made bankrupt.   I have had a reply from WYAS and have today sent them as much as we know about Emily. What I have sent, in the current day if Emily were to be admitted to hospital through A&E, would be enough to find her records Even if they do trace her in the West Riding Aslyum, we still may not be able to see her records. The archivist tells me we may have to use the freedom of information act and have to take our  birth certificates etc to prove our relationship.   Thanks again   Chris ________________________________ From: Jane Woodall <jane.woodall@virgin.net> To: CHRISTINE WILLOTT <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012, 21:22 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] update on finding Emily Chatterton Hi Christine I did a quick search on the Gale Collection of newspapers and found this which you might find interesting. Tells you a bit more about William Chatterton's circumstances. Keep us posted on your search! Jane -----Original Message----- From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:47 AM To: yorksgen Subject: [YORKSGEN] update on finding Emily Chatterton Progress report - or otherwise I wrote to Dr Kathleen Webb, the York NHS archivist at the Borthwick (Thank you to the person who suggested her.) The reply indicates Emily was not a patient in what is now called Clifton Hospital. > From time to time I put my names into Google just to see what comes up. I did this this week for William Chatterton, Emily's father, and found a report in the Edinburgh gazette that he had gone bankrupt in 1900. This seems to rule out private care for Emily in the Retreat or Bootham Park. it also makes sense of something else. In His father in law Richard Kay's will, his wife was left the property where they had the butcher's shop and also lived. In the 1901 census they were living in Munich Villa, but a search of the Munich Villa (now called Gallon House) deeds some years ago revealed they did not own this property. I intend to go to Wakefield to see if the date the Cheapside property was sold would coincide with the debts being paid. So back to Emily - I have now written to the West Yorkshire Archives Service to see if Emily was in the West Riding Asylum. And - So much for the family story that William owned "half of Knaresborough". Fortunately I have always been sceptical about this one! Chris ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Christine I don’t read it as though she took him to court – more as though he had filed for bankruptcy because he owed £269 he couldn’t pay – it doesn’t even say his creditors forced him into it. From what they say about him starting the business with no capital, Mary Jane’s two houses and shops and her letting him trade from one and him being conned out of a pony and trap at a horse fair, it sounds as though he wasn’t a particularly good businessman - or had been having stayed in business 25 years but had begun to lose the plot. Under the Married Women’s Property Act 1882 the houses were Mary Jane’s to keep and she was treated as a separate legal entity to her husband. She is making a claim here for £118 on life policies – presumably to protect her interests in the insurance policy (pre pensions which didn’t come in till 1908 I believe) and the furniture just like any other person to whom the bankrupt owes money. They’re both still living together in the 1901 and 1911 censuses so doesn’t seem to be anything other than her doing what she needed to to protect her interests. Maybe others know more about bankruptcy but that’s my take anyway cheers Jane From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:42 AM To: Jane Woodall Cc: yorksgen Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] update on finding Emily Chatterton Thank you soooo much. it looks as though the principal debtor was his wife Mary Jane Chatterton. She was a milliner who in one census is decribed somewhat grandiosly as a court milliner. The properties in Cheapside were left to her in a codicil to her father Richard Kay's will. I find it very odd that the prinicipal debtor seems to have been his wife. I could never have taken my husband to court! However perhaps it was a ruse to prevent the other debtors getting their hands on things like the furniture. In her will, Mary Jane talks about my beloved husband, but perhaps that is 'standard' language. Kew have replied today to say that only about 5% of records for bankruptcy proceedings survive. It therefore may be futile to go to Kew to find the record. They also said that the records would be difficult to trace. This seems odd to me as I know the date of the announcement in the London Gazette, which court it was and I know the name and address of the person made bankrupt. I have had a reply from WYAS and have today sent them as much as we know about Emily. What I have sent, in the current day if Emily were to be admitted to hospital through A&E, would be enough to find her records Even if they do trace her in the West Riding Aslyum, we still may not be able to see her records. The archivist tells me we may have to use the freedom of information act and have to take our birth certificates etc to prove our relationship. Thanks again Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Woodall <jane.woodall@virgin.net> To: CHRISTINE WILLOTT <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012, 21:22 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] update on finding Emily Chatterton Hi Christine I did a quick search on the Gale Collection of newspapers and found this which you might find interesting. Tells you a bit more about William Chatterton's circumstances. Keep us posted on your search! Jane -----Original Message----- From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:47 AM To: yorksgen Subject: [YORKSGEN] update on finding Emily Chatterton Progress report - or otherwise I wrote to Dr Kathleen Webb, the York NHS archivist at the Borthwick (Thank you to the person who suggested her.) The reply indicates Emily was not a patient in what is now called Clifton Hospital. > From time to time I put my names into Google just to see what comes up. I did this this week for William Chatterton, Emily's father, and found a report in the Edinburgh gazette that he had gone bankrupt in 1900. This seems to rule out private care for Emily in the Retreat or Bootham Park. it also makes sense of something else. In His father in law Richard Kay's will, his wife was left the property where they had the butcher's shop and also lived. In the 1901 census they were living in Munich Villa, but a search of the Munich Villa (now called Gallon House) deeds some years ago revealed they did not own this property. I intend to go to Wakefield to see if the date the Cheapside property was sold would coincide with the debts being paid. So back to Emily - I have now written to the West Yorkshire Archives Service to see if Emily was in the West Riding Asylum. And - So much for the family story that William owned "half of Knaresborough". Fortunately I have always been sceptical about this one! Chris ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you soooo much. it looks as though the principal debtor was his wife Mary Jane Chatterton. She was a milliner who in one census is decribed somewhat grandiosly as a court milliner. The properties in Cheapside were left to her in a codicil to her father Richard Kay's will. I find it very odd that the prinicipal debtor seems to have been his wife. I could never have taken my husband to court! However perhaps it was a ruse to prevent the other debtors getting their hands on things like the furniture. In her will, Mary Jane talks about my beloved husband, but perhaps that is 'standard' language. Kew have replied today to say that only about 5% of records for bankruptcy proceedings survive. It therefore may be futile to go to Kew to find the record. They also said that the records would be difficult to trace. This seems odd to me as I know the date of the announcement in the London Gazette, which court it was and I know the name and address of the person made bankrupt. I have had a reply from WYAS and have today sent them as much as we know about Emily. What I have sent, in the current day if Emily were to be admitted to hospital through A&E, would be enough to find her records Even if they do trace her in the West Riding Aslyum, we still may not be able to see her records. The archivist tells me we may have to use the freedom of information act and have to take our  birth certificates etc to prove our relationship. Thanks again Chris ________________________________ From: Jane Woodall <jane.woodall@virgin.net> To: CHRISTINE WILLOTT <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012, 21:22 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] update on finding Emily Chatterton Hi Christine I did a quick search on the Gale Collection of newspapers and found this which you might find interesting. Tells you a bit more about William Chatterton's circumstances. Keep us posted on your search! Jane -----Original Message----- From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:47 AM To: yorksgen Subject: [YORKSGEN] update on finding Emily Chatterton Progress report - or otherwise I wrote to Dr Kathleen Webb, the York NHS archivist at the Borthwick (Thank you to the person who suggested her.) The reply indicates Emily was not a patient in what is now called Clifton Hospital. > From time to time I put my names into Google just to see what comes up. I did this this week for William Chatterton, Emily's father, and found a report in the Edinburgh gazette that he had gone bankrupt in 1900. This seems to rule out private care for Emily in the Retreat or Bootham Park. it also makes sense of something else. In His father in law Richard Kay's will, his wife was left the property where they had the butcher's shop and also lived. In the 1901 census they were living in Munich Villa, but a search of the Munich Villa (now called Gallon House) deeds some years ago revealed they did not own this property. I intend to go to Wakefield to see if the date the Cheapside property was sold would coincide with the debts being paid. So back to Emily - I have now written to the West Yorkshire Archives Service to see if Emily was in the West Riding Asylum. And - So much for the family story that William owned "half of Knaresborough". Fortunately I have always been sceptical about this one! Chris ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Scott I am sure you know that the surname KENDALL is registered with the Guild of One Name Studies run by Denise Mortoff. If you have not been in touch with her though I feel sure she would be delighted to hear from you Best wishes Glenys Marriott Guild of One Name Studies - CUMPSTON and variants On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Scott Kendall <scottdkendall@gmail.com>wrote: > Hello, > > I am new to the list. We are looking for information on the family of > John Kendall bca 1685 Yorkshire, England and died in Phila, PA Feb. > 1744. We hope to connect our American Kendall families to their > English ancestors. > > I am the volunteer administrator of the Kendall DNA Project and we > would love to have more participation from our English relatives. If > you would like more about the project, please contact me at > ScottDKendall@gmail.com. > > Thank you > Scott Kendall > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I am new to the list.  We are looking for information on the family of John Kendall bca 1685 Yorkshire, England and died in Phila, PA Feb. 1744.  We hope to connect our American Kendall families to their English ancestors. I am the volunteer administrator of the Kendall DNA Project and we would love to have more participation from our English relatives.  If you would like more about the project, please contact me at ScottDKendall@gmail.com. Thank you Scott Kendall

Progress report - or otherwise I wrote to Dr Kathleen Webb, the York NHS archivist at the Borthwick (Thank you to the person who suggested her.) The reply indicates Emily was not a patient in what is now called Clifton Hospital. From time to time I put my names into Google just to see what comes up. I did this this week for William Chatterton, Emily's father, and found a report in the Edinburgh gazette that he had gone bankrupt in 1900. This seems to rule out private care for Emily in the Retreat or Bootham Park. it also makes sense of something else. In His father in law Richard Kay's will, his wife was left the property where they had the butcher's shop and also lived. In the 1901 census they were living in Munich Villa, but a search of the Munich Villa (now called Gallon House) deeds some years ago revealed they did not own this property. I intend to go to Wakefield to see if the date the Cheapside property was sold would coincide with the debts being paid. So back to Emily - I have now written to the West Yorkshire Archives Service to see if Emily was in the West Riding Asylum. And - So much for the family story that William owned "half of Knaresborough". Fortunately I have always been sceptical about this one! Chris

Thanks Janet for taking the time to explain for all of us on this list how to obtain copies of wills 1858 - 1925. This is very useful information for those of us who didn't know about this source. Jeri Martinez On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:09 PM, <janetlovegrove@rogers.com> wrote: > Hi Everyone > > Recently I asked about ordering wills and found out it that it has to be > done thru the Postal Service and can take some time. I was very fortunate > to have my friend contact me and she advised me that these wills were > available at Salt Lake City, Utah. The following day she managed to find > these wills and photocopy them for me. > > Since it was news to me that these films were available thru the LDS, I > thought that this may also be news to a lot of others. My friend has given > me the info below on wills that are available on film from the LDS. Hope > this helps others. > > Janet > > > Wills from 1858 through 1925 are available on film from the LDS. > Knowing which film to order was always a problem because one had to > refer to a loose-leaf binder available only at the main library in Salt > Lake City and perhaps a few other places. This problem has been largely > resolved by a kind and clever fellow who's put a nifty look-up utility > on line at http://www.haine.org.uk/wills/willsearch.php . > > The site illustrates how to take an index entry and enter it into the > form. Results appear (on a separate page) in spreadsheet form. You can > look up one film or keep going and get a handy list to save or print. > > The program is designed for district courts only, though, not the > Principal Probate Registry at London. Films for the PPR are in the FHL > catalogue under 'Record copy wills for the Principal Registry, > 1858-1925.' There is a direct link to it on the Library's wiki: choose > Learn at the top of any of the FamilySearch pages, then Research Wiki, > and enter Principal Probate Registry in the search box; should be the > first hit. > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Everyone   Recently I asked about ordering wills and found out it that it has to be done thru the Postal Service and can take some time.  I was very fortunate to have my friend contact me and she advised me that these wills were available at Salt Lake City, Utah.  The following day she managed to find these wills and photocopy them for me.    Since it was news to me that these films were available thru the LDS, I thought that this may also be news to a lot of others.  My friend has given me the info below on wills that are available on film from the LDS.  Hope this helps others.   Janet     Wills from 1858 through 1925 are available on film from the LDS. Knowing which film to order was always a problem because one had to refer to a loose-leaf binder available only at the main library in Salt Lake City and perhaps a few other places. This problem has been largely resolved by a kind and clever fellow who's put a nifty look-up utility on line at http://www.haine.org.uk/wills/willsearch.php . The site illustrates how to take an index entry and enter it into the form. Results appear (on a separate page) in spreadsheet form. You can look up one film or keep going and get a handy list to save or print. The program is designed for district courts only, though, not the Principal Probate Registry at London. Films for the PPR are in the FHL catalogue under 'Record copy wills for the Principal Registry, 1858-1925.' There is a direct link to it on the Library's wiki: choose Learn at the top of any of the FamilySearch pages, then Research Wiki, and enter Principal Probate Registry in the search box; should be the first hit.