When commemerating the Battle of Marston Moor, we should spare a thought for the brave aircrews who flew from RAF Marston Moor at Tockwith in WW2. My Australian brother-in-law was based there. He was a tail gunner and lost many of his mates over Germany. He and my sister met when she was in the Land Army based at Wetherby. Subsequently our entire family emigrated from Yorkshire to Perth, Australia and there is a large clan now to add to the family tree. Margaret

Phil - there must be a moral there, somewhere! Thanks for the snippit. Magdalena On 24 May 2012 20:39, Philip Batman <pabatman@aol.com> wrote: > Magdalena > > I can't help you with Boynton connections to your family (I don't think) - > but I do have an interesting snippit! My ancestors (Batman) lived in the > village of Copmanthorpe adjoining the battlefield at Marston Moor at the > time of the battle - the lords of the manor of Copmanthorpe were the > Boynton family, owning large acreage around the battlefield. > > Phil Batman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Magdalena GORRELL GUIMARAENS <m.gorrell@aiic.net> > To: yorksgen rootsweb <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:02 > Subject: [YORKSGEN] BOYNTON and Marston Moor > > > Roy has reminded us that this July markes the 368th anniversary of > theBattle of Marston Moor. Here's a tidbit from my own family tree > thatshould warm the cockles of Roy's parliamentarian heart! :-) My > familyParliamentarians? I shudder at the thought! No offense meant, Roy. > Thisis my only, albeit direct, connection with Yorkshire. Except for one > veryearly ancestor who, as a Don in Oxford, was expelled to the colonies > forrepeatedly writing nasty ditties about his fellow dons and his > intemperatebehaviour, the remainder of my colonial ancestors were from > Norfolk and theSouth of England and were solid Puritans. I prefer this > lot.William BOYNTON is my 8 x great grandfather. I am descended, in NH, > fromhis great-granddaughter Martha's marriage to Timony Tilton on 25 > December1746. William died 8 December 1686 in Rowley, Essex, Massachusets, > which iswhere he and most of the family actually lived.William Boynton and > his brother John were part of the group of Yorkshirefamilies who sailed to > America in 1637, arriving in Boston in 1638 andlater, in 1639, founding > fathers of Rowley. Also according to theseresearchers, William and John > were supported in this by Sir Mathew Boynton,Sheriff of Scarborough, who > supported Cromwell although two of Sir Mathew'ssons remained faithful to > the King and were killed at Marston Moor.Were my William and John > supporters of the king, which is why they went toAmerica in the first > place? Perhaps, as they did not do so for monetaryreasons as the group of > families who sailed are said to have been wealthy,yet there is the fact > that both were apparently funded in their venture bySir Mathew, an avowed > Parliamentarian. Did they also support Cromwell?Perhaps. You will note > the above TILTON-BOYNTON connection. One ofTimothy Tilton's great > great-uncles, who by 1638 had arrived in Saugus,Lynn, MA with their father > William, later gave refuge to one of the judgeswho had condemned Charles I > to death and who had fled England after therestoration of the monarchy. > That judge is said to have been hidden in thisTilton's house for several > years after his arrival in America as mostcolonials at the time were > royalist and it was not safe for them to go out.No amount of research that > I have been able to carry out in Yorkshireestablishes the nature of the > relationship between Sir Mathew, of BurtonAgnes in Yorkshire, and William > and John - other than their bearing thesame surname. But then, the entire > Boynton pedigree, as it is publishedonline, purporting to go back to the > 900s, is "remarkable" to say the leastand the further back one goes, the > more questions/doubts that I have. Infact, what appears online is a prime > example of how not to do familyresearch in this day and age. Just look at > Ancestry and there is a plethoraof BOYNTON/BYINGTON family trees that > appear to cross-reference each otheras sources, sometimes in contradiction > with the facts they give. They can'teven get together on the spelling of > places - we haveSudbury/Sedbury/Sadbury - all for the same individuals and > sometimes forseveral individuals in a same tree. One just does not know > what to believe.Obviously a serious topic of research at the Borthwick if I > ever manage toget back to Yorksgen. Perhaps next year?I would love to > contact other BOYNTON relatives who might be able toestablish the > William/John - Sir Mathew of Burton Agnes connection.Magdalena-- *MAGDALENA > GORRELL GUIMARAENS**Member of Council for the Portugal Region**AIIC* *- > International Association of Conference Interpreters*www.aiicportugal.** > ptprt-region-councilmembers@**aiic.net<www.aiicportugal.ptprt-region-councilmembers@aiic.net> > <http:/ > /prt-region-councilmembers.**aiic.net/<http://prt-region-councilmembers.aiic.net/> > >*MGG*m.gorrell@aiic.**net <m.gorrell@aiic.net> > http://www.mgorrell.eu tiltonpt@gmail.com*Membro da Direcção > Nacional do SNATTI*Sindicato Nacional da Actividade Turística Tradutores e > Intérpreteshttp://www.snatti.**orgAIIC Mail - A service provided by the > International Association of Conference Interpreters--- http://aiic.net.....Ancestors in Yorkshire? > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/**eng/YKS/index.html;www.** > ryedalefamilyhistory.org<http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html;www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org>; > www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk;www.**yorkshireparishregisters.com<http://www.yorkshireparishregisters.com>; > www.yorkshireroots.org.uk;----**---------------------------To unsubscribe > from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > -- *MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS* *Member of Council for the Portugal Region* *AIIC* *- International Association of Conference Interpreters* www.aiicportugal.pt prt-region-councilmembers@aiic.net<http://prt-region-councilmembers.aiic.net/> *MGG *m.gorrell@aiic.net http://www.mgorrell.eu tiltonpt@gmail.com *Membro da Direcção Nacional do SNATTI* Sindicato Nacional da Actividade Turística Tradutores e Intérpretes http://www.snatti.org AIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters --- http://aiic.net

Thank you to everyone who helped with the search. I heard today from the archivist at Wakefield to say that Emily seemed to have had several admissions to Menston and then was transferred to Bootham Park after the inception of the NHS. I was able to give her name, date of birth and last known address to the archivist. The general public never know their hospital number, so this is the data that record departments use to trace past records for emergency admissions.  I have been doing some background research into the management of mental health disorders in the early 20th century Most of the currently used drugs were not being introduced until the 1950s, although electrconvulsive therapy came earlier.  The sad thing is how Emily seemed to have been cut off from her family bith in life and death. I hope to be able to see her records when I come up to Yorksgen. Chris

ERROR! To my shame, as an initial contribution, I got it back to front and wrong myself. He was said to have been born in 1810. Dying in 1682 would make him -128. Even more unlikely. Thank you, everyone, for the interesting and informative exchanges I have been following recently. Patsy -----Original Message----- From: Patsy Crotty [mailto:pcrotty@vtown.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2012 5:20 PM To: 'victor@markham.me.uk'; 'YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [YORKSGEN] Using numbers for locations According to Pam (below) this chap was born in 1810. The 14 Sept 1682 theory would make him 128 when he died. Sounds unlikely! Patsy Crotty in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of victor@markham.me.uk Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 9:18 PM To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Using numbers for locations Sounds like 14 Sept 1682 Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Pam" <pam.thorley@bigpond.com> Sender: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 20:51:19 To: Nivard Ovington<ovington1@sky.com>; <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Using numbers for locations One hint in Ancestry, from another family tree entry, gives a place of death as "1682149, Yorkshire, England". The information I already had was "Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England". [This was for William Battersby, born Osgodby / Hemingbrough region in 1810.] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Using numbers for locations > Hi Pam > > Can you give some examples > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >>I have come across various listings for people giving numbers instead >>of a name for the location. >> Presumably this is some sort of code and I think I have heard of it >>before, but would like to know where I can find a key or directory, so >>I can work out where these places are. >> >> Thanks in anticipation. >> Pam > ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/5016 - Release Date: 05/22/12

According to Pam (below) this chap was born in 1810. The 14 Sept 1682 theory would make him 128 when he died. Sounds unlikely! Patsy Crotty in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of victor@markham.me.uk Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 9:18 PM To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Using numbers for locations Sounds like 14 Sept 1682 Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Pam" <pam.thorley@bigpond.com> Sender: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 20:51:19 To: Nivard Ovington<ovington1@sky.com>; <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Using numbers for locations One hint in Ancestry, from another family tree entry, gives a place of death as "1682149, Yorkshire, England". The information I already had was "Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England". [This was for William Battersby, born Osgodby / Hemingbrough region in 1810.] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Using numbers for locations > Hi Pam > > Can you give some examples > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >>I have come across various listings for people giving numbers instead of a >>name for the location. >> Presumably this is some sort of code and I think I have heard of it >> before, but would like to know where I can find a key or directory, so I >> can work out where these places are. >> >> Thanks in anticipation. >> Pam > ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/5016 - Release Date: 05/22/12

On 24 May 2012 15:14, <yorksgen-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Roy - Yes, he is definitely related. Unfortunately, that bit of > information I had way back when and it is hidden in the cobwebs of my brain > - and files. I just noted the name and confirmed the relationship but > thought no more as I was not particularly interested in that branch of the > family. Indeed, he was a celebrated man of letters. > Magdalena > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:49:58 +0100 > From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] BOYNTON and Marston Moor > To: yorksgen rootsweb <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4FBE2066.5391.198EE3C@roy.stockdill.btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Magdalena's lengthy and fascinating post about the Battle of Marston Moor > and the Civil war > in response to mine mentions the Boyntons and particularly Sir Matthew > Boynton, a > prominent parliamentarian who beseiged Scarborough Castle. > > I have often wondered - and will almost certainly never have the time to > look into it - whether > Yorkshire's most celebrated man of letters, J. B. Priestley, had > connections with the family > because, of course, his middle name was BOYNTON. > > At some stage in the 1880s/1890s my family were near neighbours in > Bradford of the > Priestley family. Priestley's father was a headmaster. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > ..... > > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the YORKSGEN list administrator, send an email to > YORKSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the YORKSGEN mailing list, send an email to > YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 241 > **************************************** > -- ** AIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters --- http://aiic.net

Can anyone please put me in contact with someone local to Wharfe near Austwick? I am trying to identify a cottage used as the clubhouse for The Northern Cavern and Fell Club in the 1930's. The NCFC members were working men from Lancashire and Yorkshire and noted pioneers of cave exploration from their foundation in late 1928 until shortly before WWII. I have copies of the log books and a members list (with home addresses) for 1937. Happy to look up any names for caving ancestors. Robin

Magdalena I can't help you with Boynton connections to your family (I don't think) - but I do have an interesting snippit! My ancestors (Batman) lived in the village of Copmanthorpe adjoining the battlefield at Marston Moor at the time of the battle - the lords of the manor of Copmanthorpe were the Boynton family, owning large acreage around the battlefield. Phil Batman -----Original Message----- From: Magdalena GORRELL GUIMARAENS <m.gorrell@aiic.net> To: yorksgen rootsweb <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:02 Subject: [YORKSGEN] BOYNTON and Marston Moor Roy has reminded us that this July markes the 368th anniversary of theBattle of Marston Moor. Here's a tidbit from my own family tree thatshould warm the cockles of Roy's parliamentarian heart! :-) My familyParliamentarians? I shudder at the thought! No offense meant, Roy. Thisis my only, albeit direct, connection with Yorkshire. Except for one veryearly ancestor who, as a Don in Oxford, was expelled to the colonies forrepeatedly writing nasty ditties about his fellow dons and his intemperatebehaviour, the remainder of my colonial ancestors were from Norfolk and theSouth of England and were solid Puritans. I prefer this lot.William BOYNTON is my 8 x great grandfather. I am descended, in NH, fromhis great-granddaughter Martha's marriage to Timony Tilton on 25 December1746. William died 8 December 1686 in Rowley, Essex, Massachusets, which iswhere he and most of the family actually lived.William Boynton and his brother John were part of the group of Yorkshirefamilies who sailed to America in 1637, arriving in Boston in 1638 andlater, in 1639, founding fathers of Rowley. Also according to theseresearchers, William and John were supported in this by Sir Mathew Boynton,Sheriff of Scarborough, who supported Cromwell although two of Sir Mathew'ssons remained faithful to the King and were killed at Marston Moor.Were my William and John supporters of the king, which is why they went toAmerica in the first place? Perhaps, as they did not do so for monetaryreasons as the group of families who sailed are said to have been wealthy,yet there is the fact that both were apparently funded in their venture bySir Mathew, an avowed Parliamentarian. Did they also support Cromwell?Perhaps. You will note the above TILTON-BOYNTON connection. One ofTimothy Tilton's great great-uncles, who by 1638 had arrived in Saugus,Lynn, MA with their father William, later gave refuge to one of the judgeswho had condemned Charles I to death and who had fled England after therestoration of the monarchy. That judge is said to have been hidden in thisTilton's house for several years after his arrival in America as mostcolonials at the time were royalist and it was not safe for them to go out.No amount of research that I have been able to carry out in Yorkshireestablishes the nature of the relationship between Sir Mathew, of BurtonAgnes in Yorkshire, and William and John - other than their bearing thesame surname. But then, the entire Boynton pedigree, as it is publishedonline, purporting to go back to the 900s, is "remarkable" to say the leastand the further back one goes, the more questions/doubts that I have. Infact, what appears online is a prime example of how not to do familyresearch in this day and age. Just look at Ancestry and there is a plethoraof BOYNTON/BYINGTON family trees that appear to cross-reference each otheras sources, sometimes in contradiction with the facts they give. They can'teven get together on the spelling of places - we haveSudbury/Sedbury/Sadbury - all for the same individuals and sometimes forseveral individuals in a same tree. One just does not know what to believe.Obviously a serious topic of research at the Borthwick if I ever manage toget back to Yorksgen. Perhaps next year?I would love to contact other BOYNTON relatives who might be able toestablish the William/John - Sir Mathew of Burton Agnes connection.Magdalena-- *MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS**Member of Council for the Portugal Region**AIIC* *- International Association of Conference Interpreters*www.aiicportugal.ptprt-region-councilmembers@aiic.net<http:/ /prt-region-councilmembers.aiic.net/>*MGG*m.gorrell@aiic.net http://www.mgorrell.eu tiltonpt@gmail.com*Membro da Direcção Nacional do SNATTI*Sindicato Nacional da Actividade Turística Tradutores e Intérpreteshttp://www.snatti.orgAIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters--- http://aiic.net .....Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html;www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk;www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk;-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my own research I found two brothers - one went through life as DUKE and the other as DUKES. I've also learned not to believe everything on a certificate either!!! When my mother married her father was 'deceased'. Grandmother remarried as a 'widow'. I spent fruitless (pre online records) years looking for his death prior to these events. I finally found out that he'd died some 30 years after grandmother 'remarried'. And that leads onto another story!! Lin A true friend walks in when the world walks out > From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 06:26:27 +0100 > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] FH > > From: Trish Michael <gosford17@yahoo.com.au> > > > Morning all, I've been reading this thread with curiosity.....I > > can't help wondering, like other, why Audrey hasn't taken into > > account spelling variations....and then not to accept the basic > > variation of BOWNs and BOWNEs seems ridiculous.> > > Completely agree, Trish, speaking as the one who first pointed out to Audrey that it was vital > to take into account spelling variations in previous centuries! > > In fact, I can give a couple of good examples from my own researches..... > > 1) When I first started out in this game some 40 years ago and was far less experienced than > I am now, I found the marriage of my grandparents Albert Edward STOCKDILL and Harriett > Young at Bradford in 1885. But I couldn't initially find my grandfather's birth until I followed the > advice of the books on family history I'd read and tried the variants. Of course - there he was, > born at Bradford in 1861 as Albert Edward STOCKDALE. A lady cousin of mine, sadly now > no longer with us, told me a piece of family folklore to the effect that my grandfather and one > of his brothers had fallen out, so he decided to change his name to Stockdill. When I > investigated this story it proved to be nonsense! The farther back in time I went, the records > revealed that in censuses and parish registers our surname had constantly swapped > between Stockdale and Stockdill and back again. It has only been consistent in the Stockdill > version since my grandfather's marriage in 1885. This is why in my one-name study I cover a > number of variants - you simply cannot do otherwise! > > 2) Albert Edward's father, my great-grandfather Robert, married four times between 1828 > and 1851. For the first marriage he appears in the parish registers of Birstall as STOGDELL > (an uncommon variant of the name), then for the next two marriages, one at Shipley and one > at Calverley, he became STOCKDILL and for the last one to my great-grandmother Charlotte > Worsnop he was STOCKDALE. How do I know these were all the same man? Because I > managed to "kill off" his first three wives, i.e. find their deaths, and I had marriage certificates > for the last two, naming his father as also Robert, plus he was consistently a joiner and > carpenter throughout his life. He had 14 children by three of the wives, most of whom > survived, so I was able to follow the naming and birth patterns in the censuses. > > The moral of this story is twofold: a) investigate family folklore tales by all means but don't > necessarily believe them; b) ALWAYS consider the variants. In the example I have given of > my great-grandfather, the difficult bit was finding his first marriage at Birstall in 1828, as > STOGDELL was a variant I hadn't come across before. I eventually established it was him > because he had children by his first wife, Mary LOBLEY, whose death I then found. He > married his 3rd wife, Hannah WATERHOUSE, in 1837 and Robert's children by his first wife > were with them in the 1841 census. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christine Thanks for the references. I have had a breakthrough with this photo. It is taken during WW1 most probably in Adelaide SA and I have had the sixth person from left in rear row identified as Rosa Simcock nee Marrett. And they are Red Cross ladies. The photo graph I have of Nurse Jackson would seem to be taken in Yorkshire and she would appear to be the mother of Alice Jackson b 1860 who I am informed was also a nurse. Alice would have arrived in Australia about 1874 age 14 and was married in Adelaide in 1881 to James Richards (b Somerset) and d Norwood 1932 Bob DNA Projects I2*, ISOGG new I2b, I2c HG & Tyler Surname and ISOGG YTree A Fair Deal for Members of the Defence and Ex Service Community. From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT [mailto:christine.willott@btopenworld.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:53 PM To: Bob May; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Nursing records

Magdalena's lengthy and fascinating post about the Battle of Marston Moor and the Civil war in response to mine mentions the Boyntons and particularly Sir Matthew Boynton, a prominent parliamentarian who beseiged Scarborough Castle. I have often wondered - and will almost certainly never have the time to look into it - whether Yorkshire's most celebrated man of letters, J. B. Priestley, had connections with the family because, of course, his middle name was BOYNTON. At some stage in the 1880s/1890s my family were near neighbours in Bradford of the Priestley family. Priestley's father was a headmaster. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Magdalena I found reading this of great interest because I do have a number of BOYNTON namers on my tree. This includes William b 1605 East Yorkshire and died 1686 Ipswich, Essex, Mass. I don't have his parents nor his brothers name. William married Elizabeth Jackson in Utah in 1830. I haven't all their children listed but do have Caleb BOYNTON b 1650 whose second wife is Hannah Harriman m 1674 Hannah's 3 x great niece married Christopher FORD (b 1800 Bridlington) who is the brother of my 3 x great grandmother Rachel FORD Before I go any further I just want to check if these are the same names on your tree? I am off to Canada on Tuesday to meet the descendants of Christopher FORD. Victor On 24/05/2012 12:00 PM, Magdalena GORRELL GUIMARAENS wrote: > Roy has reminded us that this July markes the 368th anniversary of the > Battle of Marston Moor. Here's a tidbit from my own family tree that > should warm the cockles of Roy's parliamentarian heart! :-) My family > Parliamentarians? I shudder at the thought! No offense meant, Roy. This > is my only, albeit direct, connection with Yorkshire. Except for one very > early ancestor who, as a Don in Oxford, was expelled to the colonies for > repeatedly writing nasty ditties about his fellow dons and his intemperate > behaviour, the remainder of my colonial ancestors were from Norfolk and the > South of England and were solid Puritans. I prefer this lot. > > William BOYNTON is my 8 x great grandfather. I am descended, in NH, from > his great-granddaughter Martha's marriage to Timony Tilton on 25 December > 1746. William died 8 December 1686 in Rowley, Essex, Massachusets, which is > where he and most of the family actually lived. > > William Boynton and his brother John were part of the group of Yorkshire > families who sailed to America in 1637, arriving in Boston in 1638 and > later, in 1639, founding fathers of Rowley. Also according to these > researchers, William and John were supported in this by Sir Mathew Boynton, > Sheriff of Scarborough, who supported Cromwell although two of Sir Mathew's > sons remained faithful to the King and were killed at Marston Moor. > > Were my William and John supporters of the king, which is why they went to > America in the first place? Perhaps, as they did not do so for monetary > reasons as the group of families who sailed are said to have been wealthy, > yet there is the fact that both were apparently funded in their venture by > Sir Mathew, an avowed Parliamentarian. Did they also support Cromwell? > Perhaps. You will note the above TILTON-BOYNTON connection. One of > Timothy Tilton's great great-uncles, who by 1638 had arrived in Saugus, > Lynn, MA with their father William, later gave refuge to one of the judges > who had condemned Charles I to death and who had fled England after the > restoration of the monarchy. That judge is said to have been hidden in this > Tilton's house for several years after his arrival in America as most > colonials at the time were royalist and it was not safe for them to go out. > > No amount of research that I have been able to carry out in Yorkshire > establishes the nature of the relationship between Sir Mathew, of Burton > Agnes in Yorkshire, and William and John - other than their bearing the > same surname. But then, the entire Boynton pedigree, as it is published > online, purporting to go back to the 900s, is "remarkable" to say the least > and the further back one goes, the more questions/doubts that I have. In > fact, what appears online is a prime example of how not to do family > research in this day and age. Just look at Ancestry and there is a plethora > of BOYNTON/BYINGTON family trees that appear to cross-reference each other > as sources, sometimes in contradiction with the facts they give. They can't > even get together on the spelling of places - we have > Sudbury/Sedbury/Sadbury - all for the same individuals and sometimes for > several individuals in a same tree. One just does not know what to believe. > Obviously a serious topic of research at the Borthwick if I ever manage to > get back to Yorksgen. Perhaps next year? > > I would love to contact other BOYNTON relatives who might be able to > establish the William/John - Sir Mathew of Burton Agnes connection. > > Magdalena >

Roy has reminded us that this July markes the 368th anniversary of the Battle of Marston Moor. Here's a tidbit from my own family tree that should warm the cockles of Roy's parliamentarian heart! :-) My family Parliamentarians? I shudder at the thought! No offense meant, Roy. This is my only, albeit direct, connection with Yorkshire. Except for one very early ancestor who, as a Don in Oxford, was expelled to the colonies for repeatedly writing nasty ditties about his fellow dons and his intemperate behaviour, the remainder of my colonial ancestors were from Norfolk and the South of England and were solid Puritans. I prefer this lot. William BOYNTON is my 8 x great grandfather. I am descended, in NH, from his great-granddaughter Martha's marriage to Timony Tilton on 25 December 1746. William died 8 December 1686 in Rowley, Essex, Massachusets, which is where he and most of the family actually lived. William Boynton and his brother John were part of the group of Yorkshire families who sailed to America in 1637, arriving in Boston in 1638 and later, in 1639, founding fathers of Rowley. Also according to these researchers, William and John were supported in this by Sir Mathew Boynton, Sheriff of Scarborough, who supported Cromwell although two of Sir Mathew's sons remained faithful to the King and were killed at Marston Moor. Were my William and John supporters of the king, which is why they went to America in the first place? Perhaps, as they did not do so for monetary reasons as the group of families who sailed are said to have been wealthy, yet there is the fact that both were apparently funded in their venture by Sir Mathew, an avowed Parliamentarian. Did they also support Cromwell? Perhaps. You will note the above TILTON-BOYNTON connection. One of Timothy Tilton's great great-uncles, who by 1638 had arrived in Saugus, Lynn, MA with their father William, later gave refuge to one of the judges who had condemned Charles I to death and who had fled England after the restoration of the monarchy. That judge is said to have been hidden in this Tilton's house for several years after his arrival in America as most colonials at the time were royalist and it was not safe for them to go out. No amount of research that I have been able to carry out in Yorkshire establishes the nature of the relationship between Sir Mathew, of Burton Agnes in Yorkshire, and William and John - other than their bearing the same surname. But then, the entire Boynton pedigree, as it is published online, purporting to go back to the 900s, is "remarkable" to say the least and the further back one goes, the more questions/doubts that I have. In fact, what appears online is a prime example of how not to do family research in this day and age. Just look at Ancestry and there is a plethora of BOYNTON/BYINGTON family trees that appear to cross-reference each other as sources, sometimes in contradiction with the facts they give. They can't even get together on the spelling of places - we have Sudbury/Sedbury/Sadbury - all for the same individuals and sometimes for several individuals in a same tree. One just does not know what to believe. Obviously a serious topic of research at the Borthwick if I ever manage to get back to Yorksgen. Perhaps next year? I would love to contact other BOYNTON relatives who might be able to establish the William/John - Sir Mathew of Burton Agnes connection. Magdalena -- *MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS* *Member of Council for the Portugal Region* *AIIC* *- International Association of Conference Interpreters* www.aiicportugal.pt prt-region-councilmembers@aiic.net<http://prt-region-councilmembers.aiic.net/> *MGG *m.gorrell@aiic.net http://www.mgorrell.eu tiltonpt@gmail.com *Membro da Direcção Nacional do SNATTI* Sindicato Nacional da Actividade Turística Tradutores e Intérpretes http://www.snatti.org AIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters --- http://aiic.net

Roger, I'd try to find William's occupation in 1861. If Sarah b1863 was the youngest of 7, there would be others born by 1861. See if father's occupation was related to a mechanic. I'm wondering if he wasn't Thomas William or William Thomas. West Yorkshire baptisms should show name of father and possibly mother. Look for all the other children and check names and occupation. I'd also try for the parents' marriage to see what names he might have used and his occupation. Peter

Audrey, Have you joined the BOWNE mailing list on rootsweb? Anita. For info on the BOWN spelling dbown100@hotmail.com dbown100@tripod.com I think he lives in Sommerset England I think his name is David Bown Audrey Thanks for the help It is hard to document any info before the 1st England census 1841 ? On this side of the pond their is very little printed info on the 1600s and 1700s I was told that the original spelling was DeBohun. The only alternative spelling I have been using is BOWN. Someone in England is collecting all the BOWN info and has a website. I think his name is David Bown. I will send his website address later. I have the BOWNE spelling started in 1330. Where would you find more info on Williuam the conqueror I read that alot of people are related to CHARLAMAIN/E spelling ? Thanks Audrey Bowne

I now understand the reason of researching different spellings of BOWNE thanks for all the advice Audrey

From: Trish Michael <gosford17@yahoo.com.au> > Morning all,  I've been reading this thread with curiosity.....I > can't help wondering, like other, why Audrey hasn't taken into > account spelling variations....and then not to accept the basic > variation of BOWNs and BOWNEs seems ridiculous.> Completely agree, Trish, speaking as the one who first pointed out to Audrey that it was vital to take into account spelling variations in previous centuries! In fact, I can give a couple of good examples from my own researches..... 1) When I first started out in this game some 40 years ago and was far less experienced than I am now, I found the marriage of my grandparents Albert Edward STOCKDILL and Harriett Young at Bradford in 1885. But I couldn't initially find my grandfather's birth until I followed the advice of the books on family history I'd read and tried the variants. Of course - there he was, born at Bradford in 1861 as Albert Edward STOCKDALE. A lady cousin of mine, sadly now no longer with us, told me a piece of family folklore to the effect that my grandfather and one of his brothers had fallen out, so he decided to change his name to Stockdill. When I investigated this story it proved to be nonsense! The farther back in time I went, the records revealed that in censuses and parish registers our surname had constantly swapped between Stockdale and Stockdill and back again. It has only been consistent in the Stockdill version since my grandfather's marriage in 1885. This is why in my one-name study I cover a number of variants - you simply cannot do otherwise! 2) Albert Edward's father, my great-grandfather Robert, married four times between 1828 and 1851. For the first marriage he appears in the parish registers of Birstall as STOGDELL (an uncommon variant of the name), then for the next two marriages, one at Shipley and one at Calverley, he became STOCKDILL and for the last one to my great-grandmother Charlotte Worsnop he was STOCKDALE. How do I know these were all the same man? Because I managed to "kill off" his first three wives, i.e. find their deaths, and I had marriage certificates for the last two, naming his father as also Robert, plus he was consistently a joiner and carpenter throughout his life. He had 14 children by three of the wives, most of whom survived, so I was able to follow the naming and birth patterns in the censuses. The moral of this story is twofold: a) investigate family folklore tales by all means but don't necessarily believe them; b) ALWAYS consider the variants. In the example I have given of my great-grandfather, the difficult bit was finding his first marriage at Birstall in 1828, as STOGDELL was a variant I hadn't come across before. I eventually established it was him because he had children by his first wife, Mary LOBLEY, whose death I then found. He married his 3rd wife, Hannah WATERHOUSE, in 1837 and Robert's children by his first wife were with them in the 1841 census. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

In a message dated 5/23/2012 6:09:15 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com writes: Sounds quite likely, Victor. It's probably the American system of writing dates, i.e. year, day, month, and not a place reference. Americans seem to do most things backwards to us. No Roy......the American system of writing dates is month, day, year, i.e. 5/22/2012. mary lou

Thanks for suggestions - I'll have another look and see what comes up. > Hi Pam > > Can you give the specific reference as nothing comes up using any > combination of search words on Ancestry in their databases or trees > > I can see several trees with your mentioned man passing away in 1888 but > none have Middlesborough as a place or 1682149 as far as I can see > > If you can give the specific place you found it we may be able to say more > > I checked Linthorpe just in case it was a grave reference but nothing > there > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> One hint in Ancestry, from another family tree entry, gives a place of >> death as "1682149, Yorkshire, England". >> The information I already had was "Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England". >> >> [This was for William Battersby, born Osgodby / Hemingbrough region in >> 1810.] >

My apologies - pressed send before I should have. Other members of Williams family also have numbers for locations but I don't already have information on them. I know I could look these up but thought that if there were some type of "directory" it would save some precious time and would be a long term resource for me. <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Using numbers for locations > Hi Pam > > Can you give some examples > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >>I have come across various listings for people giving numbers instead of a >>name for the location. >> Presumably this is some sort of code and I think I have heard of it >> before, but would like to know where I can find a key or directory, so I >> can work out where these places are. >> >> Thanks in anticipation. >> Pam >