From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > But remember also that transcribers are told to transcribe exactly > what they SEE and not what someone thinks it ought to be! Remember the maxim that "an > enumerator's error is not an error" and you should never try to correct what is clearly an > enumerator's error based on some other information you may possess. All you can do is add a note > of annotation, which I believe Ancestry permits but FMP doesn't (rightly, in my view, > because such annotations made public can often lead to confusion, since how can we know that > the person who made the annotation is correct?). I have a classic example of an enumerator's error in the 1851 census entry for my 3x-great-grandparents WILLIAM and MARGARET MOODY (nee Grainge or Grange) in Spinkwell Terrace, Bradford. This clearly shows William born at Darley and Margaret at Otley. I know from extensive research in the parish registers of Hampsthwaite (in which Darley lies) and Otley that it was the other way round, but the enumerator has managed to transpose them! There is nowt I can do about it except annotate the fact in my own notes. I am sure everyone will have similar cases. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

You can't guarantee an annotation added by someone is going to be correct but it can help you find something that otherwise might be just about impossible to find. I can't see any harm provided that the actual transcription is not altered. Ancestry is very tolerant of searches using only a couple of fields on the form, it might produce in an unrealistic number of matches but the search will be completed. A similar search on FMP is quite likely to time out. I always believe that the most effective search tool is the Mark I Eyeball, if I can get a long list of possible matches on screen then I am much more likely to find the one I want by scanning down the list. Now if I could only find my Great Grandfather in 1861! Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: 30 May 2012 09:22 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Some tips for finding missing ancestors in a census As promised..... This is a very common problem, especially when an individual is found in one census but not in another. It´s important to remember that census returns can contain many errors of mistranscription and indexing, plus enumerator´s errors and the fact that information often varies, sometimes wildly, from one census to another.

Tomme, Not sure what you're asking. But you should be able to get birth & marriage dates and locations from FreeBMD and find a lot of data in UK census records prior to people leaving for USA. Peter

From: "Pam" <pam.thorley@bigpond.com> > I posted in a similar vein some time ago and was very quickly made > aware of the possible consequences, from many, many sources. > I subsequently re-read the conditions associated with Ancestry and > all the other sites I belong to, which are as Roy states. > Might I suggest Roy, that when you do re-write your "Newbie's Guide" > that this point is emphasised in it? > There are many ways that one can receive and give help, and I now > believe that guidance on how to find the required information for yourself is the best.> Thank you, Pam. You will see that I have now done just that! This is my way of helping people, not by supplying them with the data or images. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

As promised..... This is a very common problem, especially when an individual is found in one census but not in another. It´s important to remember that census returns can contain many errors of mistranscription and indexing, plus enumerator´s errors and the fact that information often varies, sometimes wildly, from one census to another. But remember also that transcribers are told to transcribe exactly what they SEE and not what someone thinks it ought to be! Remember the maxim that "an enumerator's error is not an error" and you should never try to correct what is clearly an enumerator's error based on some other information you may possess. All you can do is add a note of annotation, which I believe Ancestry permits but FMP doesn't (rightly, in my view, because such annotations made public can often lead to confusion, since how can we know that the person who made the annotation is correct?). Individuals and families moved about in Victorian times far more than we imagine and the likelihood of finding people at the same address in successive censuses is not high. Often you may find someone has moved many miles away for work purposes. Occupations particularly susceptible to this were railways workers, commercial travellers, seamen and fishermen, and so on. And then there´s the fact that sometimes our ancestors told fibs, varying from little white lies to whopping great big ones! Perhaps they´d told a lie to their spouse about their age and had to maintain it, or possibly there was a more sinister reason - like someone in authority was looking for them. I've come across a number of cases where the name has changed altogether but one can still tell from the family pattern (children's names, ages, birthplaces etc) that it was the same family. Some people elevated their social situation in the censuses. There may be other reasons why ages and birth places can differ in censuses. Many people genuinely didn´t know precisely how old they were, particularly if they´d been born before 1837. Or they might give their birth place as a village in one census and the nearest town in another, sometimes different places altogether. Maybe they thought they'd been born in a particular place and, by the time of the next census, they'd found out they were actually born somewhere else. Some gave the name of the earliest place they could remember living in, which might not have been where they were born at all. How can you break down these brick walls when searching the online censuses? There´s a family historian´s motto that says "Less is more". What this means is that it is possible to enter too much information into the search fields, especially if you´ve ticked the "exact" box. If just one detail is wrong, then you may well not find your ancestor. To solve the problem try these things... 1. Uncheck the "exact match only" box. 2. Try variant surnames and allow soundex and/or phonetic matches, using every variant you can think of. 3. Use wildcards. Use only some of the surname and an asterisk to allow the search engine to fill in the rest. The drawback to this approach is that you may return too many results. In these cases you may have to gradually add information a bit at a time to eliminate some of them. 4. Omit the surname altogether. It´s surprising how often this can work! I often try entering just a forename or forenames, an approximate age and birth place and you may be fortunate enough to find your ancestor appearing in a surname that has become seriously garbled, either in the original census or in the transcription, but which you can recognise by the forenames of the spouse and children. 5. If you can´t find an individual with his/her family, consider that they might have been living away from home in service; in an institution, such as a school, hospital, workhouse, prison or asylum; gone into the army or navy and serving abroad or in a military establishment somewhere; working overseas. Don't forget to look for them in shipping lists and other resources. 6. Always look at the neighbours and up and down the street. In Victorian times when homes were seriously over-crowded, some families often "farmed out" some of the kids to other family members like uncles and aunts, cousins and even neighbours who weren't relatives. 7. Has the missing person you're looking for died/got married/gone abroad/changed their name, etc, etc. 8. Read the help and advice sections at FMP, Ancestry, etc, thoroughly before starting out on your search. These give very similar advice to that I have given above. 9. Above all, use your imagination and persevere! I expect listers will have other tips of their own to add to mine. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Michael, Are you using it as a backup or do you want to use it somewhere else? As other have said, putting it on a memory stick is fine. But it won't work elsewhere without the application or a compatible family history program. Peter

Thank you, Roy, this is so true! Very helpful info for those of us starting our research for ancestors in the various online listings. EE -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:22 AM As promised..... This is a very common problem, especially when an individual is found in one census but not in another. It´s important to remember that census returns can contain many errors of mistranscription and indexing, plus enumerator´s errors and the fact that information often varies, sometimes wildly, from one census to another. But remember also that transcribers are told to transcribe exactly what they SEE and not what someone thinks it ought to be! Remember the maxim that "an enumerator's error is not an error" and you should never try to correct what is clearly an enumerator's error based on some other information you may possess. All you can do is add a note of annotation, which I believe Ancestry permits but FMP doesn't (rightly, in my view, because such annotations made public can often lead to confusion, since how can we know that the person who made the annotation is correct?). Individuals and families moved about in Victorian times far more than we imagine and the likelihood of finding people at the same address in successive censuses is not high. Often you may find someone has moved many miles away for work purposes. Occupations particularly susceptible to this were railways workers, commercial travellers, seamen and fishermen, and so on. And then there´s the fact that sometimes our ancestors told fibs, varying from little white lies to whopping great big ones! Perhaps they´d told a lie to their spouse about their age and had to maintain it, or possibly there was a more sinister reason - like someone in authority was looking for them. I've come across a number of cases where the name has changed altogether but one can still tell from the family pattern (children's names, ages, birthplaces etc) that it was the same family. Some people elevated their social situation in the censuses. There may be other reasons why ages and birth places can differ in censuses. Many people genuinely didn´t know precisely how old they were, particularly if they´d been born before 1837. Or they might give their birth place as a village in one census and the nearest town in another, sometimes different places altogether. Maybe they thought they'd been born in a particular place and, by the time of the next census, they'd found out they were actually born somewhere else. Some gave the name of the earliest place they could remember living in, which might not have been where they were born at all. How can you break down these brick walls when searching the online censuses? There´s a family historian´s motto that says "Less is more". What this means is that it is possible to enter too much information into the search fields, especially if you´ve ticked the "exact" box. If just one detail is wrong, then you may well not find your ancestor. To solve the problem try these things... 1. Uncheck the "exact match only" box. 2. Try variant surnames and allow soundex and/or phonetic matches, using every variant you can think of. 3. Use wildcards. Use only some of the surname and an asterisk to allow the search engine to fill in the rest. The drawback to this approach is that you may return too many results. In these cases you may have to gradually add information a bit at a time to eliminate some of them. 4. Omit the surname altogether. It´s surprising how often this can work! I often try entering just a forename or forenames, an approximate age and birth place and you may be fortunate enough to find your ancestor appearing in a surname that has become seriously garbled, either in the original census or in the transcription, but which you can recognise by the forenames of the spouse and children. 5. If you can´t find an individual with his/her family, consider that they might have been living away from home in service; in an institution, such as a school, hospital, workhouse, prison or asylum; gone into the army or navy and serving abroad or in a military establishment somewhere; working overseas. Don't forget to look for them in shipping lists and other resources. 6. Always look at the neighbours and up and down the street. In Victorian times when homes were seriously over-crowded, some families often "farmed out" some of the kids to other family members like uncles and aunts, cousins and even neighbours who weren't relatives. 7. Has the missing person you're looking for died/got married/gone abroad/changed their name, etc, etc. 8. Read the help and advice sections at FMP, Ancestry, etc, thoroughly before starting out on your search. These give very similar advice to that I have given above. 9. Above all, use your imagination and persevere! I expect listers will have other tips of their own to add to mine. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... 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Just checked on my Ancestry account and on the green line there is still a button SHARE: through Facebook, Twitter or EMAIL. I can, and I have, shared findings with others in Canada, US of A, Australia and Great Briton through email. Have had 'NO' problems with Ancestry.com. In fact they keep asking me to send them money every year and extend my worldwide membership. I also get nice replies after about 6-8 weeks, to suggested amendments that I have submitted if I find and can show them the error. Ted Courtenay, BC

From: "Darryl Wilson" <dn.wilson@bigpond.com> > There is such a wonderful sense of being able to share with someone > who hasn't been able to find a certain entry.< The reason the vast majority can't find someone in a census is usually because they don't know what they are doing or how to search properly. Later today when I get a moment I may post a few pointers which will help people and show them HOW to do it. What I will not do is post actual data or images since, as I have repeatedly tried to explain (in the face of misinformed opposition) that such is a breach of the licence you take out when you purchase a subscription from any of the data providers. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I posted this on the Lancashire list yesterday, the same applies to people with Yorkshire connections though I think it might be a few weeks before they travel through Yorkshire but the route can be checked online. Just a brief note for expats, the Olympic Torch Relay is being followed live online and gives an excellent opportunity to see areas that they might not have seen for many years (rather like a continuous Google Streetview). The pictures are being transmitted live from the Media Van (a converted horse box!) and rely on mobile phone / broadband connections so tend to drop out in some areas though they have most problems in town and city centres where there are many people using mobile phones so the network is overloaded. The torch is at present heading for Chester where it will stay overnight before continuing into England, they go South first but then to Bolton on Thursday. http://www.bbc.co.uk/torchrelay http://www.london2012.com/torch-relay/ Sorry if not directly family history but it seemed a good opportunity for people abroad to see some familiar places. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk

From: "Darryl Wilson" <dn.wilson@bigpond.com> > I have just noticed Roy Stockdill trying to justify his point yet > again. I feel quite certain that Ancestry would never take anyone to > court for 12p ! They wouldn't waste their time or money!!> I quote from Ancestry;s terms & conditions..... "2. LIMITED USE LICENSE "You may access the Website only personally with an individual browser (bots, crawlers, spiders, scraping and other automatic access tools are prohibited), use graphics, information, data, editorial and any other content displayed on or accessible through the Website ("Content") only for personal or professional family history research, and download Content only as search results relevant to that research. For example, the download of the whole or material parts of any work or database is prohibited. Resale of a work or database or portion thereof, except as specific results relevant to specific research for an individual, is prohibited. Online or other republication of Content is prohibited except as unique data elements that are part of a unique family history or genealogy. Violation of this limited use license may result in immediate termination of your membership and may result in legal action against you. You may use the software provided on the Service only while online and may not download, copy, reuse or distribute that software, except where it is clearly stated in connection with software that it is made available for offline use, and a license for such use is provided in connection with that software. Ancestry and its licensors retain title, ownership and all other rights and interests in and to all Content, except as expressly set forth in these Terms." I wonder why Findmypast and Ancestry pay expensive lawyers to draw up these terms & conditions if they have no intention of enforcing them? Personally, I'm not taking the chance! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

With a strict interpretation of the Ancestry and FMP Terms and Conditions then you would never be able to show anyone else any research into your family if it contained any source information because this is likely to be taken from one of these sites. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Wilson Sent: 30 May 2012 07:59 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Personal attacks. I'll submit my penny's worth as well. Rather think that someone has mentioned that Ancestry supplies an email alternative. I know I have used it to email a particular piece of information which I know my co-Aussie hasn't got or seen or with which she has been 'stuck', even though she has a genie subscription. I frequently email a census selection to myself to save me writing it all down.

From: "mvs" <mvs5@westnet.com.au> > I for one am more than happy to help anyone I can for anything I > have access to. > So many people on this List have been wonderful with their > assistance to me since joining and when I can, I return the favour. > Like many others I cannot afford all the memberships but I do have > one with Ancestry. Helping & sharing with others is supposed to be why we > join these Lists - isn't it? > Go for it Jane, ask away. > > Marcelle > Western Australia> How many times must I point this out? By asking others to send you census information (especially images) you are inviting them to commit a breach of the licence conditions they accept when purchasing a subscription. I cite the relevant section from Findmypast, whose terms and conditions are quite easily found by clicking on them under the heading "Using the site" on any census results page..... "What you can use the service for: You can only use the website for your own personal non-commercial use, e.g., to research your own family history. We are also happy for you to help out other people with their family history by telling them about records available on the website and how and where they can be found, including showing them anything within our free search results. However, you must not provide them with copies of any of the records (either an original image of the record or the information on the results page), even if you provide them for free. (My underlining). "Use a Corporate package to carry out research for others: If you use your subscription to carry out research for other people (even for free), we reserve the option to stop you using the website and charge you retrospectively at £0.12 per credit for the records you have viewed. If you want to use the website for commercial purposes, you must buy a Corporate package." Now, what could possibly be clearer than that? I refer Listers particularly to the second paragraph, which warns that they can stop you from using the site if you breach the conditions. There seems to be this general and naive assumption about terms and conditions, because few people ever bother to read the small print, that "It doesn't matter because they don't really mean it". But would anyone like to see it tested in court? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Lin Duke <dml5481@hotmail.com> > > I'm confused. > > >From Roy's Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History > > ..... Indeed, lookup requests for all the censuses except 1881 and > 1901 are normally only acceptable if you know an address, unless a > member of the list has access to a surname index for the particular > area. > > > Lin> My Newbies' Guide is admittedly now seriously out of date and is in urgent need of updating (when I can get round to it given all my other work). I think it was written before the censuses went online and that particularly section definitely needs an update. I was referring to when census indexes were only available in booklets at the FRC and similar places. The entire situation has altered over the last few years and if I can ever get round to rewriting it I will certainly state my view that asking for lookups and/or to be sent images from subscription websites is not on. The entire thrust of genealogical research has been revolutionised so much since outfits like Ancestry, Findmypast and TheGenealogist came on the scene that we are living in a different world and something written 10 years ago, or whenever it was, is no longer relevant. That's why family history books are out of date the moment they're published! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Steve Swales <steve@swales.us> > So said the pot, to the kettle. > > On May 29, 2012, at 1:03 PM, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > > I get a little tired of these occasional personal attacks on > me.> I suggest you look up my personal record of helping others over a good many years on numerous lists in the Rootsweb archives - I suspect it is rather more substantial than yours, as I've never heard of you whereas I imagine most people have heard of me. The FACTS are as I have stated and I doubt anyone can legally argue with them. Asking for someone to send you census information and images using a third party's subscription is, quite simply, inviting them to commit a breach of the licence they take out with any data provider, be it Ancestry, Findmypast, TheGenealogist, etc, or any family history society or commercial provider. To give an example, I own a considerable number of CDs with parish register information from a certain firm not a million miles removed from yorkshireancestors.com. If I offered to send people data from these discs I suspect a certain person or two would be rather cross with me! There seems to be a widespread myth that all genealogical data should be free. It isn't and some people must get used to this idea. Hobbies are not free, they cost money. Books, fiche, CDs, subscriptions to websites etc, are all part of the expense of being a family historian. In any event, I would point out that if you can't afford a full subscrption to Ancestry, Findmypast etc, you can always purchase pay-per-view units purely for a particular search. Indeed, I do this with Ancestry when I'm researching in London. For an outlay of only £6.95 I can get up to a dozen marriage certificates from their London Metropolitan Archives website, saving many pounds on what I would be paying the GRO at £9.25 a time. This is how to do it, be clever - not ask others to do your research for you. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I'm confused. >From Roy's Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History ..... Indeed, lookup requests for all the censuses except 1881 and 1901 are normally only acceptable if you know an address, unless a member of the list has access to a surname index for the particular area. Lin A true friend walks in when the world walks out > From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:03:02 +0100 > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Personal attacks over "begging" > > I get a little tired of these occasional personal attacks on me. > > Anyone who has followed me in many mailing lists for quite a number of years now will know > and acknowledge that I have done as much - and more - as most to help others with my > experience and knowledge gleaned from something like 40 years in genealogy. I have given > my time and experience freely and have helped far more people than ever seem to come > forward to say so! > > However, I will not apologise for my view that asking others to do look-ups in censuses and > send them images, i.e. using someone else's subscription to aid their researches, is a form > of begging. Whatever you may think, it is a blatant breach of the licence you take out with any > data suppliers - and that includes family history societies and commercial firms that produce > books, fiche, CDs, etc. You are taking money away from data providers who may well have > invested a great deal of it (millions perhaps) in bringing the records to us. > > I have myself on the odd occasion been told off quite harshly by a certain Listowner (not this > one) for posting census information I shouldn't have done. > > I suggest people read the small print of the licence conditions at Ancestry, Findmypast, > TheGenealogist and so on. There seems to be a popular view that these are meaningless > and can be ignored and that "anything goes", but I happen to know that FMP, for instance, > police their records keenly (especially the 1911 census which they had exclusively long > before anyone else) and have removed people from their customer bases for breaching the > licence. > > The argument that using FMP to check and correct errors at Ancestry is OK (and vice versa) > simply doesn't wash. They are two entirely different companies and organisations and work in > different ways and you either subscribe to one or the other or perhaps both, as many do. It's > a bit like buying something at Marks & Spencer, finding you don't like it and taking it back to > Sainsbury's or Tesco's and asking for your money back - illogical! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I get a little tired of these occasional personal attacks on me. Anyone who has followed me in many mailing lists for quite a number of years now will know and acknowledge that I have done as much - and more - as most to help others with my experience and knowledge gleaned from something like 40 years in genealogy. I have given my time and experience freely and have helped far more people than ever seem to come forward to say so! However, I will not apologise for my view that asking others to do look-ups in censuses and send them images, i.e. using someone else's subscription to aid their researches, is a form of begging. Whatever you may think, it is a blatant breach of the licence you take out with any data suppliers - and that includes family history societies and commercial firms that produce books, fiche, CDs, etc. You are taking money away from data providers who may well have invested a great deal of it (millions perhaps) in bringing the records to us. I have myself on the odd occasion been told off quite harshly by a certain Listowner (not this one) for posting census information I shouldn't have done. I suggest people read the small print of the licence conditions at Ancestry, Findmypast, TheGenealogist and so on. There seems to be a popular view that these are meaningless and can be ignored and that "anything goes", but I happen to know that FMP, for instance, police their records keenly (especially the 1911 census which they had exclusively long before anyone else) and have removed people from their customer bases for breaching the licence. The argument that using FMP to check and correct errors at Ancestry is OK (and vice versa) simply doesn't wash. They are two entirely different companies and organisations and work in different ways and you either subscribe to one or the other or perhaps both, as many do. It's a bit like buying something at Marks & Spencer, finding you don't like it and taking it back to Sainsbury's or Tesco's and asking for your money back - illogical! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Then please stop attacking others and you should find that it has the desired effect.   Maureen     >I get a little tired of these occasional personal attacks on me.

<By networking via this list and having people with a subscription to one service help others who have a subscription to another service and thereby correcting information that is in error seems a service to genealogy in general> Couldn't agree more Jane. People do not come on this list to be insulted. There are ways and means of pointing out someone's mistake in asking for something, if they have made a mistake. Cheap and despicable insults are not it. I'm glad people could help you Jane -----Original Message----- From: Jane Hansen Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 2:00 AM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] 1911 census lookup for James Shaw > WALKER onFindmyPast Thanks to those helpful people who found James Shaw WALKER on Ancestry as James Shaw WACKER. In reply to Roy, I should perhaps have asked for the reference information only from FindMyPast that would have allowed me to find the image on Ancestry, for which I do have a fully paid up subscription. Some of us find paying for two subscriptions a little pricey but I will bear in mind your comment about finding another hobby - I guess genealogical research is just for the wealthy in your books. And I won't even go into the volunteer hours I spent indexing pieces of census records in the past, long before Ancestry or Find My Past had them, so that other people could look up their ancestors. By networking via this list and having people with a subscription to one service help others who have a subscription to another service and thereby correcting information that is in error seems a service to genealogy in general. Cheap and despicable, Jane ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike Short answer - yes, dead easy. A Gedcom file is like any text file and can be put on a CD, memory stick, external drive etc. But it might depend what you are trying to do, for example, is it to be downloaded from somewhere, or are you wanting to automatically start something when the CD is inserted? HTH Andy. At 15:57 29/05/2012, MICHAEL SMITH wrote: >Help Please > >Can anyone enlighten me as to the possibility of downloading a Gedcom File to a CD or Memory stick. > >Mike in York >..... >Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; >www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; >www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message