M|y reply to Peter appears not to have been received so here it again True Peter but by 'googling' Idle or Leeds South or whatever Registration District you get the link to the same website Cheers Jea On 3 June 2012 10:18, <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote: > From:                   "Peter  R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> > >> Thanks Jean, >> >>     The problem is going the other way  i.e. What Registration >> District does Idle fall in ? >> >>     I suppose you look at the surrounding towns and work through >> them. >> >>     And with something like Leeds, Leeds North and Leeds South it >> just takes a bit more effort.> > > I thought I had explained quite clearly how with FreeBMD you click on the underlined blue link > of the registration district, then follow the instructions to get a full list of all the parishes and > places in that RD, along with a table and notes showing the changes over the years. > > Another simple way is just to enter "Idle+registration district" into Google and the very first > entry is for Bradford Registration District and the third is for North Bierley Registration District. > > Idle was in both at various times (Bradford 1837-1891, North Bierley 1892-1938 and back in > Bradford 1939-1974). > > It really couldn't be simpler! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, Can I just reinforce what Nivard and Roy have said? Birthplace could reflect a village, a parish or a registration district. Think of it as "in the vicinity of". You really need to compare data from every available census with actual BDM events. I've found some where suggested birthdates and birthplaces are different in every census. I notice in 1861 census a lot of ODDY & SCOTT names with birthplace as Idle. There are too many to look at each individual. For pre 1837 events, I'd direct you to Family Search using Idle as the location. You might also check Hugh Wallis batches for Idle Post 1837, use FreeBMD but that only gives Registration district. Perhaps somebody knows the Registration District for Idle. You should also be able to find records for Idle in West Yorkshire BDMs on Ancestry. Peter

John, Considering it's nearly two years since the site changed, you haven't done much recent research. You're reaction was not uncommon, but all the pros and cons were put to bed many months ago. This is the site we now have. All the old data fields are really still there. But you have to click on an event or relationship box to open them up. For example, for a birth, click on the Birth event box to input location and date range and click on Parent box to add them if known. Once you familiarise yourself with how to use it, you won't find much different. Some of the new features linking to images of original source records are quite good. Peter

Hi again My bookmark https://www.familysearch.org/ Takes me to the landing page of new familysearch If you then scroll down a little and select "All Record Collections" (just under the "Browse by Location") On the next page there will be a search box top left, you need to wait a few seconds for the page to load the list of databases After the list has loaded you will notice the words "Collection name" will appear in the search box in light grey, after a second or two it will turn to black and then you can enter the letters IGI and the International Genealogical Index database will pop up https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/igi And yes they have reintroduced the "go to previous site" again, how long for is anyones guess, so as I have said a few times now, its best to get used to the new site as thats what we will have to contend with sooner or later Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Nivard, > > Because I know of no icon that will take you direct to the IGI, I read > it the other way. But no matter. I wanted to ask about two other points. > > I tried your suggestion of clicking on All Record Collections but > nothing seemed to load. It seems to work if I select Central Europe or a > specific region. Any suggestions? > > I also note the "Go to Old Site" button seems to have re-appeared. > Wasn't this taken away? Have they bowed to all the critics? > > Peter

From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> > Thanks Jean, > > The problem is going the other way i.e. What Registration > District does Idle fall in ? > > I suppose you look at the surrounding towns and work through > them. > > And with something like Leeds, Leeds North and Leeds South it > just takes a bit more effort.> I thought I had explained quite clearly how with FreeBMD you click on the underlined blue link of the registration district, then follow the instructions to get a full list of all the parishes and places in that RD, along with a table and notes showing the changes over the years. Another simple way is just to enter "Idle+registration district" into Google and the very first entry is for Bradford Registration District and the third is for North Bierley Registration District. Idle was in both at various times (Bradford 1837-1891, North Bierley 1892-1938 and back in Bradford 1939-1974). It really couldn't be simpler! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Peter I find the easiest way is to use google Enter the words registration District followed by the place name In Idles case you get http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/bradford.html And read the notes as sometimes places were under differing districts at different points in time Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Thanks Jean, > > The problem is going the other way i.e. What Registration District does > Idle fall in ? > > I suppose you look at the surrounding towns and work through them. > > And with something like Leeds, Leeds North and Leeds South it just takes > a bit more effort. > > Peter

Hi Peter I think John is referring to the IGI itself not old familysearch in general When new familysearch came into being the IGI was not going to be part of it, but it has been reintroduced as a separate database As I said previously, select new familysearch and then All Record Collections, when the list has loaded enter IGI in the search box and it will come up It is presently only the extracted information but later will have Patron submissions Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > John, > > Considering it's nearly two years since the site changed, you haven't > done much recent research. > > You're reaction was not uncommon, but all the pros and cons were put to > bed many months ago. This is the site we now have. > > All the old data fields are really still there. But you have to click on > an event or relationship box to open them up. For example, for a birth, > click on the Birth event box to input location and date range and click on > Parent box to add them if known. > > Once you familiarise yourself with how to use it, you won't find much > different. Some of the new features linking to images of original source > records are quite good. > > Peter

Another alternative would be to use the amazing free resources of GENUKI _http://www.genuki.org.uk/_ (http://www.genuki.org.uk/) Use the search facility and enter Registration Districts or any version of. This is the material behind the links from FMD of course. Jackie Family History Extravaganza - Doncaster Saturday 21st September 2013 Diary it now ...

My friend used to be the Secretary of the Idle Fishing Club. Lancelot Middlesbrough BTW, talking of Idle there is a very famous club called "The Idle Working Men's Club" which a cousin of mine belongs to and he tells me they have a waiting list of people all over the world who want to join it! There's also a chap who is always at the big family history fair on York Racecourse (Saturday June 30 this year) and he calls his stand "The Idle Bookseller".

Use the link below for quick access to all Registration districts in England and Wales http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/index.html Jean

From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> > Can I just reinforce what Nivard and Roy have said? Birthplace > could reflect a village, a parish or a registration district. Think of it > as "in the vicinity of". > > You really need to compare data from every available census with > actual BDM events. I've found some where suggested birthdates and > birthplaces are different in every census. > > I notice in 1861 census a lot of ODDY & SCOTT names with > birthplace as Idle. There are too many to look at each individual. > > For pre 1837 events, I'd direct you to Family Search using Idle > as the location. You might also check Hugh Wallis batches for Idle > > Post 1837, use FreeBMD but that only gives Registration > district. Perhaps somebody knows the Registration District for Idle.> Idle has variously been in Bradford Registration District (1837-1891), North Bierley (a new Registration District created on ist Jan 1892 from the parishes of Allerton, Calverley with Farsley, Clayton, Cleckheaton, Drighlington, Eccleshill, Heaton, Hunsworth, Idle, North Bierley, Pudsey, Shipley, Thornton, Tong, Wilsden, and Wyke), then back to Bradford (1939-1974). I'm not sure which RD it's been in since the 1974 re-organisation but that's probably irrelevant anyway to most people's researches. There is a very simple way at FreeBMD to discover which parishes and places were in which registration district at any given moment in time. Call up a number of entries (I used my own name Stockdill, since we're overwhelmingly a Bradford family), then click on the underlined blue link of the RD. This takes you to a message telling you which county it's in (many districts overlap into more than one county) and there is another underlined link with the word "here". Click on this and you will get a complete list of all the sub-districts and parishes in the RD, with dates, plus a table at the bottom of the screen giving you all the various changes - some parishes went into another districts, others were incorporated. Many people don't seem to know about this and they ought to because it's very important! BTW, talking of Idle there is a very famous club called "The Idle Working Men's Club" which a cousin of mine belongs to and he tells me they have a waiting list of people all over the world who want to join it! There's also a chap who is always at the big family history fair on York Racecourse (Saturday June 30 this year) and he calls his stand "The Idle Bookseller". -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Mike Landwehr" <mike@landwehr.net> > I'm relatively new to English research, and have a question about > the English census records of 1851 and 1861. My question is about > the place of birth as it appears on the census records. I've been > doing a lot of searching on the internet for an answer, but the info > I've found seems inconsistent. I'm researching the ODDY, SCOTT and > LONSDALE families in the Bradford area. If the place of birth > listed on the census record is the name of a town (or village), and > is also the name of the civil parish/township in which that town is > located, is that census record an indication that the person was > born in that town, or simply born somewhere in that parish/township? > For example, Idle Township (in Calverley Parish) includes the > village of Idle, the village of Windhill, and several smaller > hamlets. If the place of birth on the census record (1851 or 1861) > is "Idle, Yorkshire", should I assume that person was born in the > village of Idle, or simply assume that he/she was born somew! > here in Idle Township (possibly in Windhill or one of the other > hamlets in Idle Township)? > > Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. I'm really confused > by this!> You are asking a question that is impossible to answer! I suggest you read and digest thoroughly what Nivard has told you. I could not have put it any better myself and I have been in this business for 40 years. People often lied in censuses for reasons best known to themselves. People often didn't know where they had been born, especially if before 1837 when civil registration came in, so they didn't have a birth certificate. Nor often did they know exactly how old they were. Sometimes they gave a village, sometimes the nearest town, quite often the earliest place they could remember living in when they might not have been born there at all. You will find that some people gave different birth places in different censuses. You should know that before the census of 1911 - the first one in which the schedules were actually filled in by our ancestors and in which we can see their handwriting - the returns were completed by enumerators who were ordinary people who did their best and often they got it wrong! Can you imagine how tired and fed up they were after spending all day tramping up and down streets, trying to cajole people who were often hostile into completing the schedules and also speaking to people who were illiterate, especially in the earlier censuses which you mention? There was also the problem of pronunciation and dialects! Can you imagine the difficulty an enumerator in Yorkshire had trying to understand the dialect of someone born in Scotland or Cornwall and trying to spell place names he had never heard of? Given these problems, it is amazing that we manage to make much sense of the censuses at all!!! I recommend you to buy and read a few books about family history before going any further with your researches and then come back and ask questions here. As for your query about Idle and its townships, you are being far too precise. You are lucky it doesn't just say "Bradford" or "Calverley". You must be imaginative and understand that in 1851 people had little idea of where anywhere was unless they actually lived there. Forget your modern mindset and try and put yourself into the minds and attitudes of your ancestors and think how they would have seen the world around them - probably in a very simplistic and narrow way. That is the only way in which to research family history. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Mike First .. don't assume *anything* The census records what the person who filled in the form either understood was the place of birth or wanted the powers that be to know was the place of birth And no more It will generally be the village, town or area the person was born in, sometimes the place they grew up and *thought* they were born in You will often find that the further away from the place they were born in, the more general the description So someone born in the next village would give the village name, if living miles away they might give the nearest market town, if at the other end of the Country it might be the nearest City There was no checking done to validate the information given, if they stated born in Catford, thats what went down on the form Then there is an added complication, the enumerator may not have heard of the place the head of household entered on the form and may have put down his interpretation of it You may find someone giving a different birthplace on every census they are in but more often than not its the right place or somewhere near it As a general rule people were speaking from their own local knowledge and not of administrative areas So someone entering Idle Yorkshire might be born anywhere near Idle but not necessarily in Idle Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, > > I'm relatively new to English research, and have a question about the English census records of > 1851 and 1861. My question is about the place of birth as it appears on the census records. I've > been doing a lot of searching on the internet for an answer, but the info I've found seems > inconsistent. I'm researching the ODDY, SCOTT and LONSDALE families in the Bradford area. If the > place of birth listed on the census record is the name of a town (or village), and is also the > name of the civil parish/township in which that town is located, is that census record an > indication that the person was born in that town, or simply born somewhere in that > parish/township? For example, Idle Township (in Calverley Parish) includes the village of Idle, > the village of Windhill, and several smaller hamlets. If the place of birth on the census record > (1851 or 1861) is "Idle, Yorkshire", should I assume that person was born in the village of Idle, > or simply assume that he/she was born somew! > here in Idle Township (possibly in Windhill or one of the other hamlets in Idle Township)? > > Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. I'm really confused by this! > > Mike Landwehr

How long is it since you last went on the site John? Looks just the same to me. Lancelot Middlesbrough

Hi John Considering that the LDS were not going to have access to the IGI once the old site is closed I think we should count ourselves fortunate still to have access to it For those who have not found it yet, look under all record collections on new familysearch, when the list is loaded enter IGI in the search box Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi List > > What do list members think of the new IGI. I clicked onto an Icon I have on the desk to access the > IGI and up popped the new sight. > > I must say I am not impressed. > > I am all for updated things from time to time, but I think this a step too far. > > Thanks > > Regards John > John Lindley

Hi List What do list members think of the new IGI. I clicked onto an Icon I have on the desk to access the IGI and up popped the new sight. I must say I am not impressed. I am all for updated things from time to time, but I think this a step too far. Thanks Regards John John Lindley www.lindleyancestry.co.uk http://lindleyancestry.com

Hi, I'm relatively new to English research, and have a question about the English census records of 1851 and 1861. My question is about the place of birth as it appears on the census records. I've been doing a lot of searching on the internet for an answer, but the info I've found seems inconsistent. I'm researching the ODDY, SCOTT and LONSDALE families in the Bradford area. If the place of birth listed on the census record is the name of a town (or village), and is also the name of the civil parish/township in which that town is located, is that census record an indication that the person was born in that town, or simply born somewhere in that parish/township? For example, Idle Township (in Calverley Parish) includes the village of Idle, the village of Windhill, and several smaller hamlets. If the place of birth on the census record (1851 or 1861) is "Idle, Yorkshire", should I assume that person was born in the village of Idle, or simply assume that he/she was born somewhere in Idle Township (possibly in Windhill or one of the other hamlets in Idle Township)? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. I'm really confused by this! Mike Landwehr

From: "Mark Andrew" <faxmark@blueyonder.co.uk> > Very Sad Day > At least one excellent journalist made redundant > The people who will miss the daily paper most are the older > generation who do not use the internet and therefore cannot see the daily on-line editions > and updated news. > We bought the first new edition yesterday and while it continues to > provide local news I dont really like the way it is edited and presented. > Being the first edition for the Jubilee Week end there was no report > or picture of our new Mayor Cllr John Hardy, along with Mayoress Janet Hardy and DL > Chris Harris when they attended the Guides Jubilee event at Riverside Park, > Elland last Saturday. > As I was there I know the Courier took a photograph.< I was appalled when an old school friend drew my attention to the fact that the Courier was going weekly. It has been an evening paper since lord-knows-when! Sadly, this seems to be the way the world is going now. I doubt there will be any printed newspapers left in 5-10 years' time. Obviously, the owners (and the Courier is owned by some American outfit) will start charging for Internet access to the website. If you aren't on the Internet you will soon be a non-person. Very very sad! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi, I'm relatively new to English research, and have a question about the English census records of 1851 and 1861. My question is about the place of birth as it appears on the census records. I've been doing a lot of searching on the internet for an answer, but the info I've found seems inconsistent. I'm researching the ODDY, SCOTT and LONSDALE families in the Bradford area. If the place of birth listed on the census record is the name of a town (or village), and is also the name of the civil parish/township in which that town is located, is that census record an indication that the person was born in that town, or simply born somewhere in that parish/township? For example, Idle Township (in Calverley Parish) includes the village of Idle, the village of Windhill, and several smaller hamlets. If the place of birth on the census record (1851 or 1861) is "Idle, Yorkshire", should I assume that person was born in the village of Idle, or simply assume that he/she was born somewhere in Idle Township (possibly in Windhill or one of the other hamlets in Idle Township)? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. I'm really confused by this! Mike Landwehr

Very Sad Day At least one excellent journalist made redundant The people who will miss the daily paper most are the older generation who do not use the internet and therefore cannot see the daily on-line editions and updated news. We bought the first new edition yesterday and while it continues to provide local news I dont really like the way it is edited and presented. Being the first edition for the Jubilee Week end there was no report or picture of our new Mayor Cllr John Hardy, along with Mayoress Janet Hardy and DL Chris Harris when they attended the Guides Jubilee event at Riverside Park, Elland last Saturday. As I was there I know the Courier took a photograph.