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    1. [YORKSGEN] Help Please - Family Tree Maker
    2. Hi Everyone   I have a fairly new version of FTM.  Last year I printed out a Descendant Chart, but cannot remember how I did this.  I did not print it from my own printer, but saved it to a PDF file (I think) and then had it printed.  Trying to do save a Descendant Chart for our Get Together this weekend and then have it printed, but I will be darned if I can figure out how to save it to a PDF File.  If anyone can help, can you please email me offline.    Thanks for any assistance.   Janet

    06/06/2012 02:06:13
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. From: Mollie <molliemln@yahoo.co.uk> > Roy Stockdill wrote.   >".........................The worst thing > Cromwell did (among many good things) was leave a vacuum after his > death, which his weakling of a son Richard was not fitted to fill > and other factions quarrelled so much that there was little choice left but to invite Charles II > back.......". > > Couldn't agree more.  And what an opportunity lost!  We would now > have a democratic Head of State instead of one who is there purely > because of hereditary privilege!  And we would be citizens, not > subjects.> Thank you, Mollie. Good to hear from a fellow republican. Even though the Restoration of Charles II in 1660 was a minor setback to the cause, we'll get there in the end! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

    06/05/2012 02:47:16
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. C5D
    3. Without wishing to start another discussion are you sure this is still the case > I thought anyone born in GB was now a citizen ? <Under the law in effect from 1 January 1983, a child born in the UK to a parent who is a British citizen or 'settled' in the UK is automatically a British citizen by birth> from Wiki My passport says British Citizen Antony -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mollie Sent: 05 June 2012 16:40 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell? Roy Stockdill wrote.   ".........................The worst thing Cromwell did (among many good things) was leave a vacuum after his death, which his weakling of a son Richard was not fitted to fill and other factions quarrelled so much that there was little choice left but to invite Charles II back.......". Couldn't agree more.  And what an opportunity lost!  We would now have a democratic Head of State instead of one who is there purely because of hereditary privilege!  And we would be citizens, not subjects. ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/05/2012 11:12:18
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. Mollie
    3. Roy Stockdill wrote.   ".........................The worst thing Cromwell did (among many good things) was leave a vacuum after his death, which his weakling of a son Richard was not fitted to fill and other factions quarrelled so much that there was little choice left but to invite Charles II back.......". Couldn't agree more.  And what an opportunity lost!  We would now have a democratic Head of State instead of one who is there purely because of hereditary privilege!  And we would be citizens, not subjects.

    06/05/2012 10:40:27
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. Lin Duke
    3. On 1 January 1983, upon the coming into force of the British Nationality Act 1981, every Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies became either a British Citizen, British Dependent Territories Citizen or British Overseas Citizen. The use of the term "British subject" was discontinued for all persons who fell into these categories, or who had a national citizenship of any other part of the Commonwealth. The category of "British subjects" now includes only those people formerly known as "British subjects without citizenship", and no other. In statutes passed before 1 January 1983, however, references to "British subjects" continue to be read as if they referred to "Commonwealth citizens". British Citizens are not British Subjects under the 1981 Act. The only circumstance where a person may be both a British Subject and British citizen simultaneously is a case where a British Subject connected with Ireland (s. 31 of the 1981 Act) acquires British citizenship by naturalisation or registration. In this case only, British Subject status is not lost upon acquiring British citizenship. The status of British Subject cannot now be transmitted by descent, and will become extinct when all existing British Subjects are dead. British Subjects, other than by those who obtained their status by virtue of a connection to the Republic of Ireland prior to 1949, automatically lose their British Subject status on acquiring any other nationality, including British citizenship, under section 35 of the British Nationality Act 1981. Although the term "British subject" now has a very restrictive statutory definition in the United Kingdom, and it would therefore be incorrect to describe a British citizen as a British subject, the concept of a "subject" is still recognised by the law, and the terms "the Queen's subjects", "Her Majesty's subjects", etc., continue to be used in British legal discourse.[ Lin A true friend walks in when the world walks out > From: antonylambert@c5d.co.uk > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:12:18 +0100 > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell? > > Without wishing to start another discussion are you sure this is still the > case > > > I thought anyone born in GB was now a citizen ? > > <Under the law in effect from 1 January 1983, a child born in the UK to a > parent who is a British citizen or 'settled' in the UK is automatically a > British citizen by birth> from Wiki > > My passport says British Citizen > > Antony > > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Mollie > Sent: 05 June 2012 16:40 > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver > Cromwell? > > > > > Roy Stockdill wrote. ".........................The worst thing Cromwell > did (among many good things) was leave a vacuum after his death, which his > weakling of a son Richard was not fitted to fill and other factions > quarrelled so much that there was little choice left but to invite Charles > II back.......". > > Couldn't agree more. And what an opportunity lost! We would now have a > democratic Head of State instead of one who is there purely because of > hereditary privilege! And we would be citizens, not subjects. > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/05/2012 10:29:15
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. Lin Duke
    3. I'm not sure that stating incorrect relationships for anyone can be described as being 'pretty close' especially as these particular relationships are to be found in any good history book. Lin A true friend walks in when the world walks out > From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com; dml5481@hotmail.com > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:17:29 +0100 > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell? > > From: Lin Duke <dml5481@hotmail.com> > > > Surely Charles I was not HM's 9xgreat-grandfather but her 8xgreat > > grand uncle as HM is a direct descendent of his sister Elizabeth > > Stuart who married Frederick V, Elector of Palantine? > > > > Katharine Worsley (Duchess of Kent) is not the Queen's first cousin > > but is married to her first cousin, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent. > > > > > > Lin> > > Hi Lin, > > Yes, I concede you are right on both counts. Still pretty close, though! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > >

    06/05/2012 09:34:47
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > It has long been my view that, as family historians, we could have > had a system of civil registration almost two centuries before we finally got it in 1837, > had we not made the supreme mistake of restoring the monarchy in 1660. snip..... > While it's true that many parish registers were lost in the Civil > War, Cromwell's regime saw the introduction of an Act that said births had to be recorded > rather than just baptisms and deaths rather than burials. Also, from 1653 until the Restoration, > marriage was virtually removed from the hands of the clergy altogether and became a civil > ceremony conducted by a Justice of the Peace and recorded by a lay official called a > Register (NOT registrar). Where these records survive they are very good - I have some excellent > examples from Kirkby Malham in Yorkshire - and give considerably more detail than the > usual scanty records we are all familiar with.> For the aforementioned examples, see my feature for Your Family Tree magazine in 2005 on the Kirkby Malham website at: http://kirkbymalham.info/KMI/malhamdale/yft29_cromwell.pdf This article focused on a longstanding controversy over whether Oliver Cromwell officiated at two weddings in the parish in 1655 and 1656. Cromwell's alleged signature appears in the parish registers but most historians think they were forgeries - although why anyone in their right mind would dare to forge the Lord Protector's signature in his lifetime is beyond me, and what would be the point if they were inserted into the registers after his death? The problem is that the registers were stolen from the church in the 1970s - possibly by a collector because of the alleged signatures of Oliver Cromwell - and have never been seen since. However, they had been copied and published in a book by a local historian and antiquarian called John Morkill in 1933. Here is an extract from one of the supposed marriages..... "The. I.M: betweene John. Ellin of Malham & Anne Tayler of Hellifield [pishe of] Long Preston was published three severall Markett dayes in the Market. place att Settle 12th, 19th, 26th June. 1655. JE & AT was married 25th July in the presence of John Lawson of Malham & John Shackleton of the same & others before me, Olyver Cromwell R." [I.M. = Intended Marriage] I have a very personal interest in this record because JOHN SHACKLETON of Malham township was my likely 8x-great grandfather and I would dearly love to think that he actually met the Great Man, Oliver Cromwell and even enjoyed a knees-up at the reception afterwards! However, two things are very suspicious about this record..... 1) Cromwell was not known to spell his name as "Olyver" and he was a literate and educated man. 2) He NEVER used the initial "R" which was thought to mean "Rex" because, of course, he always refused the title of King (unless the "R" stood for Register but in that case it would not have applied to him but to the official who held that job). Cromwell normally signed himself as "Oliver P" the "P" standing for "Protector". One thing, however, is likely: that Cromwell probably did stay at Kirkby Malham in that period because the Squire of Calton, one of the eight townships of the parish of Kirkby Malham, was Major-General "Honest John" Lambert, a personal friend of Cromwell's and one of his principal commanders during the Civil Wars. Could someone, knowing that he was in the area, have taken the register to him to sign? However, it seems unlikely he would have made two mistakes in so doing. Even if I had no personal interest in these records, I would still find them fascinating because of the evidence they reveal..... 1) That between 1653 and 1660 marriages were conducted by Justices of the Peace as a civil ceremony. 2) Banns could be called in the market place (as they were in the above record, Settle being the nearest market town) and not necessarily in a church. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

    06/05/2012 07:40:52
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. From: melanie chesnel <mjchesnel@ornamentation.fr> > On Monday, June 4, 2012 5:25:04 PM UTC+2, (unknown) wrote: > Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who > > abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, > making Britain a republic, > > albeit for only a relatively short period. > > > > Commonwealth - Britain has never been a Republic. Commonwealth is > the English term for a political community founded for the common > good, a Republic is a state in which the supreme power rests in the > body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by > representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them. Agreed in > both cases the head of state is not a Monarch, but Cromwell's > Commonwealth was not republican in my opinion and Cromwell was less > than democratic. > > regards > melanie chesnel> It has long been my view that, as family historians, we could have had a system of civil registration almost two centuries before we finally got it in 1837, had we not made the supreme mistake of restoring the monarchy in 1660. The worst thing Cromwell did (among many good things) was leave a vacuum after his death, which his weakling of a son Richard was not fitted to fill and other factions quarrelled so much that there was little choice left but to invite Charles II back. While it's true that many parish registers were lost in the Civil War, Cromwell's regime saw the introduction of an Act that said births had to be recorded rather than just baptisms and deaths rather than burials. Also, from 1653 until the Restoration, marriage was virtually removed from the hands of the clergy altogether and became a civil ceremony conducted by a Justice of the Peace and recorded by a lay official called a Register (NOT registrar). Where these records survive they are very good - I have some excellent examples from Kirkby Malham in Yorkshire - and give considerably more detail than the usual scanty records we are all familiar with. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

    06/05/2012 06:47:20
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] descendants of Oliver Cromwell? did you check the web site?
    2. Wendy King
    3. The official Cromwell web site which has a genealogy page with details of his children. There was a similar discussion on another rootsweb list some months ago. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Colin B. Withers Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:33 AM To: 'roy.stockdill@btinternet.com' ; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there ofOliver Cromwell? [quote] Name me a famous male figure in history who didn't have a mistress [/quote] Roy Stockdill? ;) Colin ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/05/2012 02:38:20
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. Colin B. Withers
    3. [quote] Name me a famous male figure in history who didn't have a mistress [/quote] Roy Stockdill? ;) Colin

    06/05/2012 02:33:48
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. From: Lin Duke <dml5481@hotmail.com> > Surely Charles I was not HM's 9xgreat-grandfather but her 8xgreat > grand uncle as HM is a direct descendent of his sister Elizabeth > Stuart who married Frederick V, Elector of Palantine? > > Katharine Worsley (Duchess of Kent) is not the Queen's first cousin > but is married to her first cousin, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent. > > > Lin> Hi Lin, Yes, I concede you are right on both counts. Still pretty close, though! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

    06/04/2012 12:17:29
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. From: "Martin Briscoe" <martin@mbriscoe.me.uk> > Wasn't it said in "Harlots, Housewives and Heroines: A 17th Century > History for Girls" last week that he also had a mistress which must > complicate things a bit. > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > martin@mbriscoe.me.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > Sent: 04 June 2012 16:25 > To: genbrit@rootsweb.com > Cc: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of > Oliver > Cromwell? > > As a republican (though not a particularly virulent or obsessive > one), I fell to musing over the weekend while watching the Jubilee pageant > on the Thames (for the boats, not the royals) whether there are any > living descendants of Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who abolished > the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, making Britain > a republic, albeit for only a relatively short period.> Name me a famous male figure in history who didn't have a mistress, though I must confess I have not heard of one in connection with Cromwell. Was he not too puritanical for that sort of thing? He may have abolished Christmas but did he have a lady on the side? Even if he didn't, we cannot know how many of his male Worsley descendants had illegitimate children in between! BTW, for anyone who's interested here is the direct line of descent from Oliver Cromwell to the Duchess of Kent..... 1) OLIVER CROMWELL (Lord Protector of The Commonwealth, 1599-1658) = ELIZABETH BOURCHIER 2) FRANCES CROMWELL (1638-1720) = Sir JOHN RUSSELL, 3rd Baronet of Chippenham (2nd husband). Frances was not lucky, her first husband died at 24 and her second at 29. 3) ELIZABETH RUSSELL (d 1733) = Sir THOMAS FRANKLAND, 2nd Baronet of Thirkleby 4) MARY FRANKLAND (d 1722, before her mother) = THOMAS WORSLEY (1686-1750) of Hovingham, Yorkshire 5) THOMAS WORSLEY (1720-1778) = ELIZABETH LISTER (c1721-1809) 6) Rev GEORGE WORSLEY, Rector of Scawton & Stonegrave (1761-1815) = ANNE CAYLEY (1732-1792) 7) Sir WILLIAM WORSLEY, 1st Baronet of Hovingham (1792-1879) = SARAH PHILADELPIA CAYLEY (1803-1885, presumably a relative of the above Anne) 8) ARTHINGTON WORSLEY (1830-1861, died aged 31) = MARIANNE HELY-HUTCHINSON 9) Sir WILLIAM HENRY WORSLEY, 3rd baronet of Hovingham (1861-1936) = AUGUSTA MARY BOWERS 10) Colonel Sir WILLIAM WORSLEY, 4th baronet (1890-1973) = JOYCE MORGAN BRUNNER 11) KATHARINE LUCY MARY WORSLEY (b 1933) = EDWARD DUKE OF KENT -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/NewAERbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

    06/04/2012 12:09:02
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. Lin Duke
    3. Surely Charles I was not HM's 9xgreat-grandfather but her 8xgreat grand uncle as HM is a direct descendent of his sister Elizabeth Stuart who married Frederick V, Elector of Palantine? Katharine Worsley (Duchess of Kent) is not the Queen's first cousin but is married to her first cousin, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent. Lin . >> > > I am aware for certain of only one, the Yorkshirewoman Katharine Worsley, the Duchess of > Kent (and of course her children), who was born at Hovingham Hall, Hovingham, North > Yorkshire, in 1933 . She is the 8x-great-granddaughter of Oliver Cromwell via one of his > daughters, the aforementioned Frances. Ironic, is it not, that she is the Queen's first cousin, > yet it was her ancestor who was responsible for the execution of HM's 9x-great-grandfather > in 1649? I wonder if they ever discuss it over afternoon tea! > > Cromwell and his wife Elizabeth Bourchier had nine children of whom six survived to > adulthood but only three produced descendants. > > I wonder whether we have any Cromwell descendants on this list??? Personally, I wish I were > one but no such luck! > > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/04/2012 10:54:56
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. Martin Briscoe
    3. Wasn't it said in "Harlots, Housewives and Heroines: A 17th Century History for Girls" last week that he also had a mistress which must complicate things a bit. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: 04 June 2012 16:25 To: genbrit@rootsweb.com Cc: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell? As a republican (though not a particularly virulent or obsessive one), I fell to musing over the weekend while watching the Jubilee pageant on the Thames (for the boats, not the royals) whether there are any living descendants of Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, making Britain a republic, albeit for only a relatively short period.

    06/04/2012 10:54:08
    1. [YORKSGEN] How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
    2. As a republican (though not a particularly virulent or obsessive one), I fell to musing over the weekend while watching the Jubilee pageant on the Thames (for the boats, not the royals) whether there are any living descendants of Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, making Britain a republic, albeit for only a relatively short period. According to various websites, there are many. The following site http://hipweb.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/cromwellcollection/genealogy/heredis/info.htm says..... "There are many people alive today who are directly descended from Oliver Cromwell, via his son Henry and his daughters Bridget and Frances. Their descent has been thoroughly researched and reconstructed down to the mid Victorian period. Thus so long as you can trace your ancestry back as far as the 1860s, you should be able to see quite easily whether or not you lock into one of the proven lines of descent from Cromwell." I am aware for certain of only one, the Yorkshirewoman Katharine Worsley, the Duchess of Kent (and of course her children), who was born at Hovingham Hall, Hovingham, North Yorkshire, in 1933 . She is the 8x-great-granddaughter of Oliver Cromwell via one of his daughters, the aforementioned Frances. Ironic, is it not, that she is the Queen's first cousin, yet it was her ancestor who was responsible for the execution of HM's 9x-great-grandfather in 1649? I wonder if they ever discuss it over afternoon tea! Cromwell and his wife Elizabeth Bourchier had nine children of whom six survived to adulthood but only three produced descendants. I wonder whether we have any Cromwell descendants on this list??? Personally, I wish I were one but no such luck! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

    06/04/2012 10:25:04
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] Registration Districts
    2. Peter R Booth
    3. Thanks Roy, I was conversant with clicking on a Registration District and following the prompts so see the civil parishes within that district. The problem was going the other way. The solution pointed out by Nivard and yourself is simply to just enter "Idle+registration district" into Google. Two excellent tips. I'm repeating them in the hope others take note. Peter

    06/03/2012 02:36:34
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] Registration Districts
    2. Peter R Booth
    3. Nivard, A good suggestion. I hope people are noting all the pearls of wisdom and tricks of the trade and incorporate them into their research. Peter

    06/03/2012 01:12:15
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] New IGI
    2. Peter R Booth
    3. Nivard, Because I know of no icon that will take you direct to the IGI, I read it the other way. But no matter. I wanted to ask about two other points. I tried your suggestion of clicking on All Record Collections but nothing seemed to load. It seems to work if I select Central Europe or a specific region. Any suggestions? I also note the "Go to Old Site" button seems to have re-appeared. Wasn't this taken away? Have they bowed to all the critics? Peter

    06/03/2012 01:08:34
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] Registration Districts
    2. Peter R Booth
    3. Thanks Jean, The problem is going the other way i.e. What Registration District does Idle fall in ? I suppose you look at the surrounding towns and work through them. And with something like Leeds, Leeds North and Leeds South it just takes a bit more effort. Peter

    06/03/2012 12:51:46
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] age of an apprentice
    2. Elaine Mullins
    3. Thank you, June, and the others who had interesting stories!. I am amazed that an apprenticeship started at 14, as some 200 odd years later when I was thinking of leaving school, apprenticeships often started at 15. Not a whole lot of change here. Regards Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: June Parker To: emullins@xtra.co.nz ; yorsgen rootsweb Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:40 AM Subject: RE: [YORKSGEN] age of an apprentice normally an apprenticeship started at the age of 14 and lasted 7 years. I have seen one that was for an Attorney and this was the case. June Gild of Freemen www.freemenofyork.org Family Historian to Dunnington Through The Ages www.dunningtonhistory.org.uk > From: emullins@xtra.co.nz > To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:25:04 +1200 > Subject: [YORKSGEN] age of an apprentice > > Hello > > > > 1753, Warren Symonson was apprenticed to Mr John Alcock of Skipton, Attorney (ref UK Register of Duties paid for Apprentices Indentures 1710-1811) > > > I was wondering if anyone knows at what age someone would become indentured to an attorney in 1753. Would this indenture be to become an attorney? Any ideas where this indenture may have ended up? > > > > > > Regards > > > > Elaine > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/03/2012 10:46:23