C'mon! I rarely agree with him, but he livens up what can be a very dull board, and you cannot deny his knowledge Margaret Switzerland On 7 Jun 2012, at 00:52, Jeanne S wrote: > > Amen! I am thoroughly disgusted with Mr. Stockhill, regardless of > his expertise. His input causes all sorts of unnecessary clashes, > most off topic. I have been on lists where people like him have > been permanently ejected. I think that would be the best for all of > us. I've had enough of his mean-spirited criticisms. His sign-off > quote is very telling about his ego. "There is only one thing in > the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." I, for one, am not going to > feed it any longer. My next message will be to 'unsubscribe'. > Jeanne >> From: dn.wilson@bigpond.com >> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:59:21 +1000 >> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] The current topic of the day. >> >> Is all this some kind of reversion to the childhood "let's play >> pretend"? or just a medium in which everyone can indulge their >> fantasies and let off steam? >> Am I dreaming or did I really wake up to let 20 or so emails - all >> with a dubious topic - come in to my inbox without someone asking >> or "begging" for information? >> IMHO, (and now I'm probably getting off topic too!), this list is >> not for airing personal views which seem to be unrelated to the aim >> of helping each other with their research into their own or others' >> family history or genealogy interests. I really can't find any >> relevance to what we are supposed to be on this list for. Maybe >> it's all a surreptitious ploy to band us all together instead of a >> lot of the vitriol we saw last week? >> Plus, what a time someone chose to air their views about a republic >> during the very time of the Diamond Jubilee! >> Nor do I believe this is the time or place to be frivolously making >> a list of all one's current favourites for the position of, is it >> head of state or president, (?) and knocking each others' >> suggestions on the head. >> >> I do have a sense of humour, believe me, and I can see the amusing >> side of some of what's being said, but please, it's not the most >> suitable time or place to be discussing what seems to me to be a >> political matter. What did poor Olly ever do to instigate all this? >> Is it truly anything to do with him? >> >> Nor do I find it amusing to be called a "colonial" in such scathing >> terms! >> >> What adage was I raised with? "If you can't say something nice, >> don't say anything at all". > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html > ; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

From: Graham Holmes <medway48@xtra.co.nz> > KIKI DEE !!! couldn'e she spell er proper name ? > We've got a few actors.. we call em politicians over here > AND we got Hobbits  so there.. I think they call em miners up > north >   > Graham :-) >   >   > Comic singers? What comic singers, precisely? I only mentioned two > singers...... > > KIKI DEE (aka Pauline Matthews from Bradford), who was a pop icon of > the 1970s and 80s. > > LESLEY GARRETT, a world-famous operatic soprano who is known as the > Doncaster Diva, > though she was actually born at Thorne. She's as famous here as Kiri > Te Kanawa and > probably a better singer. > > As for actors, I didn't know New Zealand had any!> Well, if you'd been born Pauline Matthews (assuming you were female, of course) and thought you'd stand a better chance of becoming a star as Kiki Dee, what would you do? Why did Harry Webb become Cliff Richard and Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta become Lady Gaga? 'Cos that's what these showbiz folks do! Yes, we have a very considerable number of politicians here too who aren't even good actors. However, we do have some rather superb Yorkshire actors as well and I mentioned a few like Patrick Stewart, Ben Kingsley, Sean Bean, Peter O'Toole, Brian Blessed, Tom Wilkinson, Judi Dench and Diana Rigg in my list of possible presidents of Yorkshire. Really, from some of the messages I've seen, I get the feeling that some people are suffering from a sense of humour bypass! I've never made any secret of the fact that I am a republican but my list of possible presidents was strictly tongue-in-cheek, or is the figure of speech known as IRONY not understood in certain parts of the world? I also find it curious that when I posted a lengthy list of recommendations and advice recently on how to find missing ancestors in the censuses there were no more than a couple of messages of thanks and gratitude. But when I make a few observations about the royals, the roof falls in!!! In my book, discussing the whole concept of royalty is entirely valid because there are some of us who believe that appointments, promotions and successions, etc, should be based entirely on merit and not on accidents of birth. I suggest looking up the definition of what constitutes a meritocracy sometime! The Anglo-Saxons had it right because they had a body called The Witan who chose one they thought would be the best man for the job, not necessarily the son of someone who'd done it before. Final point: yes, I would be among the first to concede that Elizabeth II has done a good job according to her lights, but can anyone deny there were some unmitigated disasters among her predecessors, i.e. Charles II, the man who restored the monarchy, who stole taxes from his subjects to pay for his mistresses and illegitimate kids; James II who ended up being kicked out by his own daughter and son-in-law; George III who went barmy and talked to trees; his son, the grossly corpulent and monstrous George IV. And I could add a few more but I won't bother! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: D J Kay <davlornk@xtra.co.nz> > Being a Royalist I will keep Queen Elizabeth II. As for The Republic of Yorkshire I would > nominate my "Dad" but as he died 57 years ago I don't think that would work > and I doubt if he would have really made a good President anyway, so I will stick with Queen > Elizabeth II. > Lorna Kay> Yes, but what happens when she finally pops her clogs and goes upstairs? I concede that she has given sterling service in her reign, but I wouldn't give you two-pennorth of cold gin for any of the others! The younger royals are just a soap opera akin to EastEnders and Coronation Street. It's a wonder some of them haven't been seen on Big Brother or Britain's Got Talent! What about the Freeloader Supreme "Air Miles" Andy? Or his ex-wife, Mad As A Hatter, greedy and near-bankrupt Fergie? By the time they get to the throne, if they ever do, Charles and Camilla will be well past it and what are William and Kate other than a pair of gossip column pin-ups whose lustre will fade with the years, while Harry is just a nightclub playboy (and don't believe all that rubbish about his bravery in serving in Afghanistan, you can bet your life the powers-that-be would never let him get anywhere near some real action). All the evidence suggests that it's only the colonials who care about them much any more. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

> From: medway48@xtra.co.nz > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Roys Call For a Republic > > > That list says it all..Yorkshire run by sports jocks, actors and comic singers Comic singers? What comic singers, precisely? I only mentioned two singers..... KIKI DEE (aka Pauline Matthews from Bradford), who was a pop icon of the 1970s and 80s. LESLEY GARRETT, a world-famous operatic soprano who is known as the Doncaster Diva, though she was actually born at Thorne. She's as famous here as Kiri Te Kanawa and probably a better singer. As for actors, I didn't know New Zealand had any! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

If the names suggested by Mr Stockdill are a pointer to this new democracy, then I would rather have someone who knows how to act as Head of State rather than an individual who is elected just because he/she happens to be a celeb. However if there has to be change,then I feel with a marked degree of passion that until the Beckham's can make the time, Her Majesty should stick with the job. ________________________________ From: "roy.stockdill@btinternet.com" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2012, 18:20 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Roys Call For a Republic From:              roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > > I wasn't think of dear Boris or Alastair Campbell, nor President > Blair, either! But there are some outstanding Yorkshiremen and women who would all make a damned > fine President.....> >Snip long list of names of famous Yorkshiremen and women..... < I considered adding to the list another marvellous actor, Peter O'Toole, but there seems to be some doubt about where he was born. He was certainly brought up in Leeds as a boy but he apparently has two birth certificates - one giving Leeds as his birthplace and another as Connemara, Co Galway, Ireland. Top of my list for president had he still been with us (but sadly he isn't) would have been my all-time favourite Yorkshire novelist and newspaper columnist Keith Waterhouse (1929-2009), born at Hunslet, who of course I knew vaguely in my Fleet Street days. If there has ever been a funnier book than "Billy Liar" (and a brilliant film) I challenge anyone to tell me about it. And my wife and I saw the above-mentioned Peter O'Toole starring in Waterhouse's play "Jeffrey Bernard Is Unwell" and it was the most memorable night in the theatre we've ever had! For those unfamiliar with the play, it's all about a legendary columnist and drunk called Jeffrey Bernard who frequently failed to deliver his column to the magazine that was paying him, as a result of which the cryptic message often appeared "Jeffrey Bernard is Unwell" (everyone knew why, of course) and Keith Waterhouse turned this into the funniest thing you've ever seen on stage. The whole play revolves around how Bernard gets locked in to his favourite Soho pub and has to spend the night there. If it is ever produced at a theatre near you, don't miss it! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Suggest the currency would be the Euno :) Ee Bah Gum Lin PS Have amended the subject matter to include the apostrophe. A true friend walks in when the world walks out > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:34:20 +1200 > From: medway48@xtra.co.nz > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Roys Call For a Republic > > > That list says it all..Yorkshire run by sports jocks, actors and comic singers > It'll be in the European Union next with Greece,Spain, Ireland etc > Where would the capital be ?? Bratfud, 'alifax > Would you reintroduce the ancient language of 'Ecky Thump !!! > > TIC > Graham > NZ > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's the one. It has been shown fairly conclusively that he was born in Ireland and not in South Africa as used to be claimed. He is mentioned as being in Cape Town around 1901 (going from memory) but nothing after that. He was paid the annual VC allowance up to around then. There were some epidemics around Cape Town in the early 1900s so he could have died then without any record being kept. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com [mailto:roy.stockdill@btinternet.com] Sent: 06 June 2012 20:11 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com; martin@mbriscoe.me.uk Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Roys Call For a Republic From: "Martin Briscoe" <martin@mbriscoe.me.uk> > A friend of mine is very interested in another O'TOOLE who won the VC. > She was told that Peter O'Toole had hired a genealogist many years ago > to trace his origins and perhaps link to the person with the VC. They > did not find a link and I think there were some vague parts in his > family history. > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > martin@mbriscoe.me.uk> Would that be an Edmund O'Toole VC, whose origins and provenance (including where and when he won the medal) appear to be the subject of some debate? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Martin Briscoe" <martin@mbriscoe.me.uk> > A friend of mine is very interested in another O'TOOLE who won the > VC. She was told that Peter O'Toole had hired a genealogist many years ago > to trace his origins and perhaps link to the person with the VC. They did > not find a link and I think there were some vague parts in his family > history. > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > martin@mbriscoe.me.uk> Would that be an Edmund O'Toole VC, whose origins and provenance (including where and when he won the medal) appear to be the subject of some debate? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

A friend of mine is very interested in another O'TOOLE who won the VC. She was told that Peter O'Toole had hired a genealogist many years ago to trace his origins and perhaps link to the person with the VC. They did not find a link and I think there were some vague parts in his family history. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: 06 June 2012 18:21 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Roys Call For a Republic From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > > I wasn't think of dear Boris or Alastair Campbell, nor President > Blair, either! But there are some outstanding Yorkshiremen and women > who would all make a damned fine President.....> >Snip long list of names of famous Yorkshiremen and women..... < I considered adding to the list another marvellous actor, Peter O'Toole, but there seems to be some doubt about where he was born. He was certainly brought up in Leeds as a boy but he apparently has two birth certificates - one giving Leeds as his birthplace and another as Connemara, Co Galway, Ireland.

From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > > I wasn't think of dear Boris or Alastair Campbell, nor President > Blair, either! But there are some outstanding Yorkshiremen and women who would all make a damned > fine President.....> >Snip long list of names of famous Yorkshiremen and women..... < I considered adding to the list another marvellous actor, Peter O'Toole, but there seems to be some doubt about where he was born. He was certainly brought up in Leeds as a boy but he apparently has two birth certificates - one giving Leeds as his birthplace and another as Connemara, Co Galway, Ireland. Top of my list for president had he still been with us (but sadly he isn't) would have been my all-time favourite Yorkshire novelist and newspaper columnist Keith Waterhouse (1929-2009), born at Hunslet, who of course I knew vaguely in my Fleet Street days. If there has ever been a funnier book than "Billy Liar" (and a brilliant film) I challenge anyone to tell me about it. And my wife and I saw the above-mentioned Peter O'Toole starring in Waterhouse's play "Jeffrey Bernard Is Unwell" and it was the most memorable night in the theatre we've ever had! For those unfamiliar with the play, it's all about a legendary columnist and drunk called Jeffrey Bernard who frequently failed to deliver his column to the magazine that was paying him, as a result of which the cryptic message often appeared "Jeffrey Bernard is Unwell" (everyone knew why, of course) and Keith Waterhouse turned this into the funniest thing you've ever seen on stage. The whole play revolves around how Bernard gets locked in to his favourite Soho pub and has to spend the night there. If it is ever produced at a theatre near you, don't miss it! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Amen! I am thoroughly disgusted with Mr. Stockhill, regardless of his expertise. His input causes all sorts of unnecessary clashes, most off topic. I have been on lists where people like him have been permanently ejected. I think that would be the best for all of us. I've had enough of his mean-spirited criticisms. His sign-off quote is very telling about his ego. "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." I, for one, am not going to feed it any longer. My next message will be to 'unsubscribe'. Jeanne > From: dn.wilson@bigpond.com > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:59:21 +1000 > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] The current topic of the day. > > Is all this some kind of reversion to the childhood "let's play pretend"? or just a medium in which everyone can indulge their fantasies and let off steam? > Am I dreaming or did I really wake up to let 20 or so emails - all with a dubious topic - come in to my inbox without someone asking or "begging" for information? > IMHO, (and now I'm probably getting off topic too!), this list is not for airing personal views which seem to be unrelated to the aim of helping each other with their research into their own or others' family history or genealogy interests. I really can't find any relevance to what we are supposed to be on this list for. Maybe it's all a surreptitious ploy to band us all together instead of a lot of the vitriol we saw last week? > Plus, what a time someone chose to air their views about a republic during the very time of the Diamond Jubilee! > Nor do I believe this is the time or place to be frivolously making a list of all one's current favourites for the position of, is it head of state or president, (?) and knocking each others' suggestions on the head. > > I do have a sense of humour, believe me, and I can see the amusing side of some of what's being said, but please, it's not the most suitable time or place to be discussing what seems to me to be a political matter. What did poor Olly ever do to instigate all this? Is it truly anything to do with him? > > Nor do I find it amusing to be called a "colonial" in such scathing terms! > > What adage was I raised with? "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".

From: John Kemp <kemp.history@gmail.com> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Roys Call For a Republic > Roy > After your comments about a republic of Britain, I can imagine that > all the Daily Mail readers are dipping their pens in vitriol ready to > reply. > > It is all very well getting rid of the monarchy, but I think that > many will prefer Queen Elizabeth to the thought of President Boris Johnston or > even President Campbell. > > I think that you should forward the idea of the Republic of > Yorkshire > before attempting greater things. > > Yours tongue in cheek > kindest regards > John Kemp > Gloucester Uk> ..... I wasn't think of dear Boris or Alastair Campbell, nor President Blair, either! But there are some outstanding Yorkshiremen and women who would all make a damned fine President..... Roy Hattersley Alan Bennett Dame Judi Dench Baroness Betty Boothroyd (I've met her, lovely woman) Sir Bernard Ingham (old journalistic friend of mine from our Halifax days) Michael Palin Sir Patrick Stewart Sir Ben Kingsley Kiki Dee (singer) Lesley Garrett (wonderful soprano, met her, too, equally lovely) Kevin Keegan (England football manager and player) David Hockney Dame Diana Rigg Barbara Taylor Bradford (author) Brian Close (Yorkshire cricketing legend) Barry Cryer (scriptwriter) Alan Titchmarsh (TV gardener and author) John Craven (TV presenter) Helen Fielding (Bridget Jones author) Ray Illingworth (another Yorkshire cricketing legend) Gabby Logan (TV sports presenter) Jack Shepherd (TV cop Wycliffe) Tom Wilkinson (actor) Marco Pierre White (chef) Sean Bean Brian Blessed Peter Firth (Spooks actor) * I have added in explanations of who some of them are for the benefit of our colonial cousins to save them having to Google them! You will note that I have not proposed Geoffrey Boycott, Arthur Scargill or myself. I am much too busy with genealogy to take on the job of running the country but I reckon Janice Wood, Jackie Depelle and I would make a formidable Cabinet threesome to rival the Cameron/Clegg axis any time! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

He would have been an Assistant Master - probably at a boarding school. Mabel in NZ I have reference to someone being an 'Usher' to Mr Sutcliffe at Hipperholme. Rev Richard Sutcliffe was Master at Hipperholme Grammar School, and previously he in turn had been an 'Usher" at Heath Grammar School. So what was an 'Usher" in that context? What did he do? Was he a student with a special job, or an adult in training? Or what? Anyone know? Margaret

Hi Janet I've got FTM 2012 (but instructions are the same for FTM2010). At the top of your screen you will see Publish (that is where all reports/charts are created). Click on it. Select your chart or report. Click Create In the top right hand corner there is a rather tiny symbol - Share. There you will see 'Export to PDF", "Send as PDF" or "Export to one page PDF" You are given various options to amend PDF properties. If you are happy with them click OK. Another window opens allowing you to Save your PDF file. After saving you will be able to print. Hope this helps. Lin A true friend walks in when the world walks out > Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:06:13 -0700 > From: janetlovegrove@rogers.com > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Help Please - Family Tree Maker > > Hi Everyone > > I have a fairly new version of FTM. Last year I printed out a Descendant Chart, but cannot remember how I did this. I did not print it from my own printer, but saved it to a PDF file (I think) and then had it printed. Trying to do save a Descendant Chart for our Get Together this weekend and then have it printed, but I will be darned if I can figure out how to save it to a PDF File. If anyone can help, can you please email me offline. > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Janet > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janet I would recommend subscribing to one or more of the following lists http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/FTM-HELP.html http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/f/ftm-tech.html#FTM-TECH http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/FTM.html You will find them very useful If you do and post just state the version of FTM (found under Help tab) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/06/2012 16:06, janetlovegrove@rogers.com wrote: > Hi Everyone > > I have a fairly new version of FTM. Last year I printed out a Descendant Chart, but cannot remember how I did this. I did not print it from my own printer, but saved it to a PDF file (I think) and then had it printed. Trying to do save a Descendant Chart for our Get Together this weekend and then have it printed, but I will be darned if I can figure out how to save it to a PDF File. If anyone can help, can you please email me offline. > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Janet

Roy After your comments about a republic of Britain, I can imagine that all the Daily Mail readers are dipping their pens in vitriol ready to reply. It is all very well getting rid of the monarchy, but I think that many will prefer Queen Elizabeth to the thought of President Boris Johnston or even President Campbell. I think that you should forward the idea of the Republic of Yorkshire before attempting greater things. Yours tongue in cheek kindest regards John Kemp Gloucester Uk

I have reference to someone being an 'Usher' to Mr Sutcliffe at Hipperholme. Rev Richard Sutcliffe was Master at Hipperholme Grammar School, and previously he in turn had been an 'Usher" at Heath Grammar School. So what was an 'Usher" in that context? What did he do? Was he a student with a special job, or an adult in training? Or what? Anyone know? Margaret

I have a photo of my father outside a cottage near Austwick taken in 1930. Is there anyone on the list with local knowledge of the area? I am trying to identify the cottage which was probably the Club house for the Northern Cavern and Fell Club. This was in the hamlet of Wharfe. I have also have a copy of the NCFC Log Book for 1930 with photos of the club cottage. There is mention of Ivy Cottage. The picture of my father has a date of 1775 on an ornate door lintol. Any suggestion on contacts to follow up welcome Regards Robin

Typing 'Usher Grammar School' into A2A brings up 98 results. Here is the link for just one from 1684: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=057-hill&cid=3-10&kw=Usher Grammar School#3-10 There are many later links - none unfortunately for Hipperholme. Ruth

Hi Margaret From OED Given the context the most likely is :- 4. Thesaurus » Categories » a. An assistant to a schoolmaster or head-teacher; an under-master, assistant-master. Now rare. Also in fig. context. †b. transf. A teacher or preceptor acting under another. Obs. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/06/2012 05:30, Margaret Rackham wrote: > I have reference to someone being an 'Usher' to Mr Sutcliffe at Hipperholme. > > Rev Richard Sutcliffe was Master at Hipperholme Grammar School, and previously he in turn had been an 'Usher" at Heath Grammar School. > > So what was an 'Usher" in that context? > What did he do? > Was he a student with a special job, or an adult in training? Or what? > Anyone know? > > Margaret