http://www.ebay.com same with amazon     type in any surname, town,country,genealogy and you get 1000s of hits lots on England thanks Audrey

Final point: yes, I would be among the first to concede that Elizabeth II has one a good job ccording to her lights, but can anyone deny there were some unmitigated isasters among er predecessors, i.e. Charles II, the man who restored the monarchy, who stole axes from is subjects to pay for his mistresses and illegitimate kids; James II who ended p being icked out by his own daughter and son-in-law; George III who went barmy and alked to rees; his son, the grossly corpulent and monstrous George IV. And this doesn't occur with ELECTED politicians? Do you ever watch American news? Regards, Dan

How about 'Sarum' the novel of England by Edward Rutherfurd. It goes back about 10,000 years. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHRISTINE WILLOTT" <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> To: "Audrey Bowne" <acbowne1@yahoo.com>; <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] any history books on English speaking countries ? If you want to read historical fiction and at the same time learn about Yorkshire and the implications of Robert Aske's rebellion read CJ Sansom's 'Sovereign'. It is a whodunit based around the time of Henry viii's visit to York. Sansom did his research at the Borthwick prior to writing the book. Chris

http://www.wikipedia.com   type a word  or subject example yorkshire and you get info on Yorkshire

I or We need to read History Books to learn about our past   Scotland Ireland Australia Canada Wales England New Zeland South Africa USA etc       start a list ? 1) Gateway to Canada Virginia Sauve pub 2012

Are their any good books on the history of England ? thanks Audrey Bowne acbowne1@yahoo.com

I have family members that have questionable pasts I cousin robbed 9 banks in Los Angeles and is doing lots of time because of alcohol and drugs use. I am trying to help the family stay together. I have learned alot on the BOWNE family Just think of those who left their mother country and never came back. Esp those who came to Canada and the USA in the 1600s and 1700s No houses to come to and had to chop down trees to build their homes. I never liked history in High School but in studing genealogy I have learned alot Thanks Audrey Bowne

    KIKI DEE !!! couldn'e she spell er proper name ? We've got a few actors.. we call em politicians over here AND we got Hobbits  so there.. I think they call em miners up north   Graham :-)     Comic singers? What comic singers, precisely? I only mentioned two singers...... KIKI DEE (aka Pauline Matthews from Bradford), who was a pop icon of the 1970s and 80s. LESLEY GARRETT, a world-famous operatic soprano who is known as the Doncaster Diva, though she was actually born at Thorne. She's as famous here as Kiri Te Kanawa and probably a better singer. As for actors, I didn't know New Zealand had any! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

No-one can accuse me of lacking in humour but as others have said, enough is enough, Roy. I speak as a colonial, one whose direct ancestors left Yorkshire in 1635 (and Norfolk in 1638 and Wiltshire in 1634) precisely to search for a better life in the American colonies (and no, they were not indentured servants or criminals being exiled). A colonial whose patriotism today is every bit as strong today as her ancestors who were members of the same militias that fought the British for independence, one of whom, Nathan Hale is long remembered for his famous words just before he was hung by the British as a spy in 1775: "I regret that I have but one life to give to my country." Despite our differences, however, Americans have always had tremendous respect for the British monarchy and yes, we do love pomp and circumstance. But then, we love tradition. People like Roy lought to poke fun as this idiosynchratic side of republican Americana. We may not have a monarchy. We have politicians and politicians come and politicians go, with all the vicissitudes of their "craft", but we have our flag, the iconic representation of our patriotism. For all our failings, however, we do not laugh at other countries' patriotism nor at those who inspire it, such as their monarchy. This colonial spent the last four days glued to Sky TV and the BBC transmission of the Jubilee celebrations, with interest, some amusement and certainly no disrespect. How can one disrespect a people who, in the midst of all of today's economic adversity, can produce such a stirring scene as the group of young singers who, soaked to the skin and shivering with cold, proudly stood on the deck of the last barge to sing Land of Hope and Glory (a tune that always brings tears to my eyes) not once, but twice at least, in honour of their Queen and country. Who could not be stirred by the very human emotion of the Queen bravely holding back her tears when, at the end of the fabulous concert, Prince Charles referred to his father in hospital? One may or one may not believe in the monarchy, one may prefer a totally secular government, but to deride the Queen and all that she has stood for, at this time of celebration, is unpardonable. She, too, might easily say that she regrets that she has but one life to give to her country. As to her family, I am sure that when the time comes, should it come, they will do their duty to the best of their ability. Roy delighted in cutting the "royals" to moral pieces, but if one can believe all that has been reported and written in the British Press over the past 60 years, politicians have proven to be no better from a behavioural and moral sense, and, in many cases, far, far worse. So let's put a lid to this discussion and get back to something constructive - family history and genealogical research. Magdalena A New Hampshire Colonial and proud of it -- *MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS* *Member of Council for the Portugal Region* *AIIC* *- International Association of Conference Interpreters* www.aiicportugal.pt prt-region-councilmembers@aiic.net<http://prt-region-councilmembers.aiic.net/> *MGG *m.gorrell@aiic.net http://www.mgorrell.eu tiltonpt@gmail.com *Membro da Direcção Nacional do SNATTI* Sindicato Nacional da Actividade Turística Tradutores e Intérpretes http://www.snatti.com <http://www.snatti.org/> AIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters --- http://aiic.net

The above subject line is a question that has often occupied my mind! Since I, my father and grandfather in the direct Stockdill line were all born in Bradford, I obviously regard myself as a Bradfordian and dyed-in-the-wool (literally, since my ancestors worked in the wool and textile mills) Yorkshireman through and through.However, when I look at the wider picture and see where my other ancestors came from, then the question becomes rather more flexible. For instance..... 1) My father was born in Bradford and my mother was born in Dublin, so does that make me half-Yorkshire and half-Irish! Absolutely NOT! My mother's birthplace was entirely accidental and she didn't have a drop of Irish blood in her because both her parents were Bradford-born but my grandfather was playing his violin in a theatre orchestra over there at the time. 2) Three of my grandparents were born in Bradford and one (paternal) grandmother was born at Bath, Somerset. So that makes me three-quarters Yorkshire and 25 per cent West Country, right? Well, not necessarily..... 3) Like most Yorkshire folks, the father back I go in generations the proportion of ancestors coming in from other parts of the country is increasing. Of my great-grandparents, six were born in Yorkshire, one in Gloucester and one in Somerset - so I'm still three-quarters Yorkshire. However, only three of my great-grandparents were born in Bradford, one was born at Easingwold, one at Scarborough, one in York, plus the two from the West Country. So now my Bradford ancestry is down to 3/8. Bradford is what I call the "melting pot" of my ancestry since they were coming in to work in the mills from other parts of Yorkshire and outside. 4) Of my 16 great-great-grandparents, these are the figures: 9 born in Yorkshire; 2 in Wiltshire; 1 in Wiltshire; 1 in Somerset; 2 in Northumberland; 1 in Edinburgh. So now my Yorkshire ancestry is down to 9/16 or just over 50 per cent, of which only 2 of my great-great grandparents were born in Bradford. By the time I get to 3x-great grandparents the figures are becoming even more diverse. No doubt others will have similar tales to tell. Personally, as a fairly serious general historian and professional genealogist I find this kind of debate much more interesting than people just asking for census look-ups because it involves not just family history but local and social history and illustrates the interplay of social mobility, migration and the movement and integration of families around the country. It's only when we start getting involved much more in this kind of question that academic historians will begin to take us seriously, which at the moment most don't! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Being a Royalist I will keep Queen Elizabeth II.   As for The Republic of Yorkshire I would nominate my "Dad" but as he died 57 years ago I don't think that would work and I doubt if he would have really made a good President anyway,  so I will stick with Queen Elizabeth II.  Lorna Kay    

The holiday group usually attend the Ryedale group FH meeting which occurs in the last 2 weeks of July. Do listers know of any other FH groups in Yorkshire who will be holding meetings that may be of interest during this fortnight please?  Reminder - Your fair ladies lecture day is the middle Saturday - you need to book and Northallerton archives have a lunch time lecture on the 27th July. Again you need to book. Chris

discussion groups   http://www.genuki.org.uk/indexes/MailingLists.html   http://www.genuki,org.uk     lots of discussion lists thanks Audrey Bowne USA

We should all realize, after all this time, that Roy's name calling makes him feel more powerfull because he knows it is having a negative effect on many of us and he enjoys that. Roy's name calling is caused by his unhappiness so he likes to dump all his unhappiness on us to make himself feel better. If nobody responded to him he would eventually stop because he would no longer get any satisfaction out of it. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Is all this some kind of reversion to the childhood "let's play pretend"? or just a medium in which everyone can indulge their fantasies and let off steam? Am I dreaming or did I really wake up to let 20 or so emails - all with a dubious topic - come in to my inbox without someone asking or "begging" for information? IMHO, (and now I'm probably getting off topic too!), this list is not for airing personal views which seem to be unrelated to the aim of helping each other with their research into their own or others' family history or genealogy interests. I really can't find any relevance to what we are supposed to be on this list for. Maybe it's all a surreptitious ploy to band us all together instead of a lot of the vitriol we saw last week? Plus, what a time someone chose to air their views about a republic during the very time of the Diamond Jubilee! Nor do I believe this is the time or place to be frivolously making a list of all one's current favourites for the position of, is it head of state or president, (?) and knocking each others' suggestions on the head. I do have a sense of humour, believe me, and I can see the amusing side of some of what's being said, but please, it's not the most suitable time or place to be discussing what seems to me to be a political matter. What did poor Olly ever do to instigate all this? Is it truly anything to do with him? Nor do I find it amusing to be called a "colonial" in such scathing terms! What adage was I raised with? "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all". Carolyn in Australia.

Nothing to do with genealogy but a good cause! Janice's village are hosting a tea party on the first Sunday of Yorksgen.  See below I suggest we support it if we can. it's an opportunity to see a lovely part of Yorkshire. The Blooming Great Tea Party is on at Hovingham Village Hall on at lunchtime on Sunday 15th July. Please come and support this great Marie Curie Cancer Care fund-raising event. We need books for our book stall, so if you have any books that you can bear to part with, please donate them.  Chris

That list says it all..Yorkshire run by sports jocks, actors and comic singers It'll be in the European Union next with Greece,Spain, Ireland etc Where would the capital be ?? Bratfud, 'alifax Would you reintroduce the ancient language of 'Ecky Thump !!!   TIC Graham NZ

Rootsweb used to have a place for discussions I enjoy reading the comments. My mother and I had many discussions on the Kings abnd Queens of any country. They usually do not have any political power. Norway's now Kings and Queens rein will end with their death I will try to find the web page thanks Audrey Bowne born Canada now living USA Seattle WA USA acbowne1@yahoo.com   researching BOWNE from England HODGE TAYLOR CLARK Scotland

Roy Stockdill wrote"............The younger royals are just a soap opera akin to EastEnders and Coronation Street. It's a wonder some of them haven't been seen on Big Brother or Britain's Got Talent! What about the Freeloader Supreme "Air Miles" Andy? Or his ex-wife, Mad As A Hatter, greedy and near-bankrupt Fergie? By the time they get to the throne, if they ever do, Charles and Camilla will be well past it and what are William and Kate other than a pair of gossip column pin-ups whose lustre will fade with the years, while Harry is just a nightclub playboy (and don't believe all that rubbish about his bravery in serving in Afghanistan, you can bet your life the powers-that-be would never let him get anywhere near some real action). All the evidence suggests that it's only the colonials who care about them much any more. " Again, I find myself in total agreement with what Roy says!  (Should I be worried????? VBG!) 

That is quite enough!  Please can we get back to family history and genealogy discussion.  Why does this sort of thing always erupt when I am not looking?  I am back now, so please behave :-) Janice Wood Yorksgen List Administrator