If you want to read historical fiction and at the same time learn about Yorkshire and the implications of Robert Aske's rebellion read CJ Sansom's 'Sovereign'. It is a whodunit based around the time of Henry viii's visit to York. Sansom did his research at the Borthwick prior to writing the book. Chris ________________________________ From: Audrey Bowne <acbowne1@yahoo.com> To: "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 20:53 Subject: [YORKSGEN] any history books on English speaking countries ? I or We need to read History Books to learn about our past   Scotland Ireland Australia Canada Wales England New Zeland South Africa USA etc       start a list ? 1) Gateway to Canada Virginia Sauve pub 2012 ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You won;t find all you need to know on...................in any one book. History is not necessarily about facts but about interpretations. Recently I read Bill Bryson's 'At Home' and am currently reading Ian Mortimer's 'Traveller's Guide to Elizabethan England. The next on the list is Hilary Mantell's latest book. There are plenty of books out there. I suggest you try a search of Amazon. Chris ________________________________ From: Audrey Bowne <acbowne1@yahoo.com> To: "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 20:53 Subject: [YORKSGEN] any history books on English speaking countries ? I or We need to read History Books to learn about our past   Scotland Ireland Australia Canada Wales England New Zeland South Africa USA etc       start a list ? 1) Gateway to Canada Virginia Sauve pub 2012 ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With respect Audrey this is a list for Yorkshire England :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/06/2012 20:53, Audrey Bowne wrote: > I or We need to read History Books to learn about our past > > Scotland > Ireland > Australia > Canada > Wales > England > New Zeland > South Africa > USA > etc

Hi Audrey You might like to try Simon Schama Just google his name and A History of Britain Available in paperback, hardback, Kindle and also on DVD Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/06/2012 20:34, Audrey Bowne wrote: > Are their any good books on the history of England ? > thanks > Audrey Bowne

I think that dialects and accents may have had a lot to do with spelling problems - perhaps even more than illiteracy. After all, if you couldn't write at all but locals were familiar with your surname and forename, then the recorder (registrar, parish priest, enumerator) would have a decent chance to get it right more or less. In one of the families I'm working on, I can track the morphing of the forename Belinda to Blenda as the family moved from Herefordshire to Gloucestershire, then to Cumberland and eventually to County Durham and by the present into Yorkshire. Belinda is almost never seen in County Durham so it must have been difficult for a registrar. I have no trouble imagining my West Country coal miner telling the northern registrars or enumerators the name of his daughter and finding that they hadn't heard the name before. By the way, I was completely unable to convince the recent holders of this forename, how it had come about. They had a cute little family story and weren't about to abandon it in the face of well-documented evidence. Irene

Stands back and waits. <<<vbg>>> Lin A true friend walks in when the world walks out > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:53:54 -0700 > From: acbowne1@yahoo.com > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] any history books on English speaking countries ? > > I or We need to read History Books to learn about our past > > Scotland > Ireland > Australia > Canada > Wales > England > New Zeland > South Africa > USA > etc > > > > start a list ? > 1) Gateway to Canada > Virginia Sauve > pub 2012 > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There been some wonderful European Presidents in recent years. Chirac in France who clung to power to avoid bribery charges. Berlusconi and his page 3 escorts to name a couple Then of course I can think of some "great" UK politicians A couple fond of the bottle George Brown and Charles Kennedy More than a few fond of the ladies. Profumo, Aitken, Gummer A criminal who faked his disappearance John Stonehouse. A potential Russian spy Harold Wilson, the ever dubious Peter Mandelson. Jeremy Thorpe and hi court case which made the Libs a laughing stock All of these are politician from my lifetime. I think I'd rather have the House of Windsor than any of this lot in charge Antony -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of woolary Sent: 07 June 2012 19:26 To: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com; YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Roys Call For a Republic Final point: yes, I would be among the first to concede that Elizabeth II has one a good job ccording to her lights, but can anyone deny there were some unmitigated isasters among er predecessors, i.e. Charles II, the man who restored the monarchy, who stole axes from is subjects to pay for his mistresses and illegitimate kids; James II who ended p being icked out by his own daughter and son-in-law; George III who went barmy and alked to rees; his son, the grossly corpulent and monstrous George IV. And this doesn't occur with ELECTED politicians? Do you ever watch American news? Regards, Dan ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have now "tidied up" and put together the tips and hints I gave a little while ago on the list on how to finding missing ancestors in the censuses. This will in due course be a complete replacement for the censuses section of my Newbies' Guide, but in the meantime I am able to make it available to anyone who would like a copy in one of two formats..... 1) A MicroSoft 1997-2003 doc file. 2) PDF The file is around 1200 words in length and if you'd like a copy, just e-mail me. You don't need to ask my permission to pass it on or republish it, but I would ask that you respect my copyright line and acknowledge me as the author. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Self <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > 4) Of my 16 great-great-grandparents, these are the figures: 9 born > in Yorkshire; 2 in Wiltshire; 1 in Wiltshire; 1 in Somerset; 2 in Northumberland; 1 in > Edinburgh. So now my Yorkshire ancestry is down to 9/16 or just over 50 per cent, of > which only 2 of my great-great grandparents were born in Bradford.> Slight slip of the old typing finger there..... I meant to say that 9 of my great-great-grandparents were born in Yorkshire, 2 in Wiltshire, 1 in Gloucestershire, 1 in Somerset, two in Northumberland and 1 in Edinburgh. What I also find interesting is the very considerable difference in time gaps between them. The "oldest" of my gt-gt-grandparents, Robert STOCKDALE/STOCKDILL was born at Husthwaite, near Easingwold, in 1765, while the two "youngest", William Henry GIBSON and Frances Rachel POTTS, my two Northumberland ancestors, were both born in 1834 - a difference of almost 70 years. In fact, Robert Stockdill died in 1822, 12 years before my Northumbrian ancestors were even born, yet technically speaking they were of the very same generation when I look at my ancestral chart. This anomaly arose because of a long sequence of men in my direct paternal ancestral line having children late in life - the average gap between generations being about 43-45 years instead of the usual 25-30. Another thing that intrigues me is social mobility and movement. Why, for instance, did William and Frances Gibson leave their remote parishes in Northumberland and move to Yorkshire? Answer: because William became a train driver and if you want to drive a train where else would you go but York? Their son, John James Gibson, was born in York and he moved to Bradford and married there. How did another of my great-great-grandparents, Mary BUCHANAN, a Scottish lass born in Edinburgh about 1822, come to meet her husband, Richard BRACEWELL, and marry him in the Yorkshire Dales at Arncliffe in 1840? My theory is that they were hawkers and perhaps met on the road somewhere, but it's only a theory. They too wound up living in Bradford, where all my lines eventually lead. It is this question of looking at the broader canvas of family history, i.e. migration, social mobility, work patterns, age patterns, generational patterns, naming patterns within the family structure and more, that is the real stuff of genealogical debate and fascination because it involves so much more academic study than just doing census look-ups. I hope others will weigh in with their own thoughts.....! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

So true Janice. My signature is 'Marg' but I very frequently receive return email to 'Marge'. I am Margaret not Margery. I often wonder how many names were mis-transcribed when people from around the world arrived in Quebec, Canada when the person taking the info spoke french or broken english at best. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Wood" <janwood50@btinternet.com> To: <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: [YORKSGEN] Getting the name wrong Hello all, We have all had experience of mis-spelt, mis-pronounced, mis-transcribed and umpteen variations of names, but it is easy to understand how and why this happens, as it is happening here and now. I have received many emails during the past few days, some of which have been address to Janet. I recently received a cheque that was addressed to Janet Wood – my bank refused to accept it. I was given credit for information in an article recently published in a local history magazine, but my name was given as Janet Woods, so nobody knew it was me! At the time, I thought it was perhaps a good thing, as the writer had misinterpreted several of the facts that I had given him. I am sure we are all guilty of making mistakes. I think it is because we are in too much of a hurry to stop and read thoroughly. Our ancestors lived at a slower pace, but they had only handwriting to read which, good or bad, can be mis-read. They also had much stronger local dialect and accents to contend with than those that we hear today. Imagine a Yorkshire born census enumerator encountering a Cornish miner in the ironstone mining areas of the North Riding – would they understand each other at all? There were also many Irish immigrants as well as incomers from County Durham and Northumberland – what a language problem they must have had – I have trouble understanding people in that area now, and it’s only 50 miles from home. How lucky we are that we can communicate in readable print! Janice Wood

Think you are right Lance. >From the link that was sent by Roy: The Washington shield at Selby probably represents some kind of benefaction made to the Abbey to commemorate John Wessington, Prior of Durham (1416~1446) the most distinguished collateral ancestor of George Washington. http://suite101.com/article/george-washingtons-family--and-their-ancestral-homes-in-england-a270434 Lin A true friend walks in when the world walks out > From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com; SirLancelot37@talktalk.net > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:22:24 +0100 > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Enough is enough > > Date sent: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:38:48 +0100 > > > I must have missed something - I was never much good at history > > scoring only 6% in an exam, but > > the ancestral home of the Washington family was Washington Old Hall > > in Co. Durham surely? > > There is a plaque in Durham Cathedral's cloisters to John Washington > > who was Prior there 1416 - 1446. > > > > William de Wessyngton was a forebear of George Washington. George > > Washington's great grandfather, > > John, left from Essex for Virginia. > > > > Lancelot > > Middlesbrough> > > Hi Lance > > See: http://www.selbyabbey.org.uk/washington_link.htm > > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have one that was done in Nova Scotia, Canada, based on our Ripley family that came to Canada during the Yorkshire emmigration. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHRISTINE WILLOTT" <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> To: "Audrey Bowne" <acbowne1@yahoo.com>; <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] any history books on English speaking countries ? You won;t find all you need to know on...................in any one book. History is not necessarily about facts but about interpretations. Recently I read Bill Bryson's 'At Home' and am currently reading Ian Mortimer's 'Traveller's Guide to Elizabethan England. The next on the list is Hilary Mantell's latest book. There are plenty of books out there. I suggest you try a search of Amazon. Chris ________________________________ From: Audrey Bowne <acbowne1@yahoo.com> To: "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 20:53 Subject: [YORKSGEN] any history books on English speaking countries ? I or We need to read History Books to learn about our past Scotland Ireland Australia Canada Wales England New Zeland South Africa USA etc start a list ? 1) Gateway to Canada Virginia Sauve pub 2012 ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great grandfather, William Ward Swales, who was born 25 Feb 1873 in East Hetton or Kelloe, Co. Durham, to Yorkshire born parents Thomas Swales and Sarah Ann Ward, lived at 20 Bolckow St. in North Skelton (maddeningly to the South-East of Skelton in Cleveland, and in fact, I believe the southern-most of a number of Skelton's in Yorkshire), in 1881. My great grandmother, Esther Ann Bonfield, who was born 7 Feb 1873, in Liverton, to Dorset born parents, George Saunders Bonfield, and Sarah Barnes Harris, lived at 6 Railway Terrace, Brotton, in 1881. These two places are within easy walking distance (about one mile) of each other, along the northern edge of the North York Moors. They lived, thus, in close proximity for as many as 10 or 15 years. However.... there is no indication that they ever met in Yorkshire at all. They did of course eventually meet and married in 1897, after they had both separately emigrated to the USA where their families lived about 10 miles apart, she in Scranton, Pennsylvania, and he in Peckville, Pennsylvania. It was probably the Methodist Church,or perhaps the Free Masons, which brought them together, though I am not really certain how they first met in the US. -steve On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Trish Michael wrote: > Morning All. Roy said:- > > How did another of my great-great-grandparents, Mary > BUCHANAN, a Scottish lass born in Edinburgh about 1822, come to meet her husband, > Richard BRACEWELL, and marry him in the Yorkshire Dales at Arncliffe in 1840? My theory > is that they were hawkers and perhaps met on the road somewhere, but it's only a theory. > > I had a Scottish 2 x great grandmother, Orsilla ANDERSON born Barony, Glasgow and have often wondered how she came to meet and marry William WRIGHT from Whitby in Whitby in 1862. He was a mariner so i thought he'd probably met her on his travels. A few weeks ago I decided to go through the Scottish line and pick up the peripherals.....I found, by sheer chance, Orsilla's aunt Euphemia CAMPBELL married a gentleman called Joseph BALDWIN (another hypothetical question is where did she meet him?) and then started moving around the country before settling in Marylebone. Now in 1861 Aunt Euphemia is in....wait for it.....Whitby. > So.....my take is she went to Whitby as auntie had said what a lovely place it > was and she could stay with them.....so on. Met William and bingo. > I have yet to cross reference any addresses etc but my guess is they will match. Maybe even witnessess at their marriage I had previously not recognised. > In 1851 Auntie and husband were in Hull so I don't think it was a coincidence that Orsilla and William are in Hull in 1871...him being a mariner still. > Also, in 1851 there is Euphemia's sister as a married lady which also has to be researched but at least now I have something to go on. > > To those people, and I know few, who only follow male and or direct lines.....look outside the box. You just never know where that road will lead you. > > Hope you all have a great researching weekend cos I for one have plenty still to do. > > ttfn > Trish > Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sarum - Great suggestion, Margaret... EE -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Cambridge How about 'Sarum' the novel of England by Edward Rutherfurd. It goes back about 10,000 years. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Thanks, Roy, for the Newbie's Guide. It's basic enough for beginners, yet filled with reminders for the experienced... EE -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] Subject: [YORKSGEN] Finding missing ancestors in the online censuses I have now "tidied up" and put together the tips and hints I gave a little while ago on the list on how to finding missing ancestors in the censuses. This will in due course be a complete replacement for the censuses section of my Newbies' Guide, but in the meantime I am able to make it available to anyone who would like a copy in one of two formats..... 1) A MicroSoft 1997-2003 doc file. 2) PDF The file is around 1200 words in length and if you'd like a copy, just e-mail me. You don't need to ask my permission to pass it on or republish it, but I would ask that you respect my copyright line and acknowledge me as the author. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

Date sent: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:38:48 +0100 > I must have missed something - I was never much good at history > scoring only 6% in an exam, but > the ancestral home of the Washington family was Washington Old Hall > in Co. Durham surely? > There is a plaque in Durham Cathedral's cloisters to John Washington > who was Prior there 1416 - 1446. > > William de Wessyngton was a forebear of George Washington. George > Washington's great grandfather, > John, left from Essex for Virginia. > > Lancelot > Middlesbrough> Hi Lance See: http://www.selbyabbey.org.uk/washington_link.htm -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi All.  wish Simon had been teaching history at my school....he makes if far more interesting than my teacher ever did... Neil Oliver is another good guy to watch for.....I try to watch anything those presenters do. ttfn Trish Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW --- On Fri, 8/6/12, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Any good books on the history oif England ? To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Received: Friday, 8 June, 2012, 6:02 AM Hi Audrey You might like to try Simon Schama Just google his name and A History of Britain Available in paperback, hardback, Kindle and also on DVD Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/06/2012 20:34, Audrey Bowne wrote: > Are their any good books on the history of England ? > thanks > Audrey Bowne ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning All.  Roy said:- How did another of my great-great-grandparents, Mary BUCHANAN, a Scottish lass born in Edinburgh about 1822, come to meet her husband, Richard BRACEWELL, and marry him in the Yorkshire Dales at Arncliffe in 1840? My theory is that they were hawkers and perhaps met on the road somewhere, but it's only a theory. I had a Scottish 2 x great grandmother, Orsilla ANDERSON born Barony, Glasgow and have often wondered how she came to meet and marry William WRIGHT from Whitby in Whitby in 1862.  He was a mariner so i thought he'd probably met her on his travels. A few weeks ago I decided to go through the Scottish line and pick up the peripherals.....I found, by sheer chance, Orsilla's aunt Euphemia CAMPBELL married a gentleman called Joseph BALDWIN (another hypothetical question is where did she meet him?) and then started moving around the country before settling in Marylebone.  Now in 1861 Aunt Euphemia is in....wait for it.....Whitby.  So.....my take is she went to Whitby as auntie had said what a lovely place it was and she could stay with them.....so on.  Met William and bingo.  I have yet to cross reference any addresses etc but my guess is they will match. Maybe even witnessess at their marriage I had previously not recognised.  In 1851 Auntie and husband were in Hull so I don't think it was a coincidence that Orsilla and William are in Hull in 1871...him being a mariner still. Also, in 1851 there is Euphemia's sister as a married lady which also has to be researched but at least now I have something to go on. To those people, and I know few, who only follow male and or direct lines.....look outside the box.   You just never know where that road will lead you. Hope you all have a great researching weekend cos I for one have plenty still to do. ttfn Trish Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW

This gal over in the colonies seems some help. In Stainland, were the Chapelry of Stainland and the Chapel of Ease one and the same? Thanks. Carole

I must have missed something - I was never much good at history scoring only 6% in an exam, but the ancestral home of the Washington family was Washington Old Hall in Co. Durham surely? There is a plaque in Durham Cathedral's cloisters to John Washington who was Prior there 1416 - 1446. William de Wessyngton was a forebear of George Washington. George Washington's great grandfather, John, left from Essex for Virginia. Lancelot Middlesbrough ((Which, I believe, was based on the Family Crest of the Washington family (as can be seen in Selby Abbey) - good Yorkshire stock.))