Please see the very kind reply about the lunch time lecture at Northallerton archives from Angela below. Chris ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Angela Leathley <leathleya@hotmail.com> To: christine.willott@btopenworld.com Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012, 10:51 Subject: RE: [YORKSGEN] yorksgen holiday Just to let you know, I will be presenting the lecture at NYCRO at Northallerton on July 27th.   The topic is 'Gayle Mill - from textile to turbines'.   I am the (volunteer) historical researcher at Gayle Mill, and have spent the last couple of years investigating the fascinating history of the Mill. My research has taken me all over, including a great deal of time spent in NYCRO, and encompasses everything from slavery, religion, and textiles, to the Tay Bridge disaster. As I am now aware Yorksgen members will be attending, I will bring along the family trees of the some of the key players. Perhaps some new links may be made.   If any members have time, they may like to visit the Mill, which is situated in upper Wensleydale, a few hundred yards from the Wensleydale Creamery (Hawes).   Details about the Mill (which is a charity, not a commercial mill) can be found at www.gaylemill.org.uk Should you wish to visit as a group, this can be arranged by contacting the Mill, in advance.   Regards   Angela Leathley     > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:25:29 +0100 > From: christine.willott@btopenworld.com > To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] yorksgen holiday > > The holiday group usually attend the Ryedale group FH meeting which occurs in the last 2 weeks of July. Do listers know of any other FH groups in Yorkshire who will be holding meetings that may be of interest during this fortnight please?  > Reminder - Your fair ladies lecture day is the middle Saturday - you need to book > and > Northallerton archives have a lunch time lecture on the 27th July. Again you need to book. > > Chris > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will give these lists of books and movies to the local Genealogical Societies. The have $$ for book buying. I will try to read books on England I will try to get a list for the USA Thanks for the suggestions Audrey Bowne

From: Roger Gill <roger.d.gill@btinternet.com> > A search on Google reveals the following as part of the > Leicestershire Resources site: > http://www.mdlp.co.uk/resources/glossary.htm > > I had the same issue at Elland which, with Stainland, is in the > ancient parish of Halifax. The Parish church in Halifax is classed > as a Minster, which, fits with the description below, taken from > that website. I believe both terms refer to the same > establishment.< .....snip history..... Since the Parish Church of St John the Baptist, Halifax, was only designated as a Minster in 2009, the ancient terms to which you refer would hardly seem to apply. Here's what the National Index of Parish Registers Volume 11 Part 3 Yorkshire West Riding (published by the SoG) has to say about Stainland..... "HALIFAX St Andrew, Stainland. Township of Stainland in Halifax. From 1724 formed part of Elland. Church erected 1754-5 as nonconformist chapel; became C of E 1840. Separate parish 1843 from Elland. [Then follows a list of where the registers are but they only appear to date from 1782] "HALIFAX St Mary Magdalene, Outlane, Stainland. Daughter church of Stainland St Andrew." Under Elland, the NIPR explains that the parish of St Mary with St Michael, Elland, was created in 1724 from the chapelries of Elland and Rastrick in Halifax "and various townships including Barkisland, Elland-with-Greetland, Stainland and Fixby". Elland also had another church, all Saints, a daughter church of St Mary. I should perhaps explain that Halifax is one of the most difficult places to research in because it was once the largest parish in England, extending from the outskirts of Bradford to the Lancashire border at Todmorden, with no fewer than 23 townships, virtually all with their own daughter churches or chapelries. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Sarum gets my vote. A wonderful book. Another Marg from wet Fremantle in WA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Edwards" <ellenonpine@shaw.ca> To: "'Margaret Cambridge'" <talktomarg@shaw.ca>; <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] any history books on English speaking countries ? > Sarum - Great suggestion, Margaret... EE > > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Margaret Cambridge > > How about 'Sarum' the novel of England by Edward Rutherfurd. It goes back > about 10,000 years. > > Marg >>From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carole A search on Google reveals the following as part of the Leicestershire Resources site: http://www.mdlp.co.uk/resources/glossary.htm I had the same issue at Elland which, with Stainland, is in the ancient parish of Halifax. The Parish church in Halifax is classed as a Minster, which, fits with the description below, taken from that website. I believe both terms refer to the same establishment. Chapel of Ease: These were provided for the ease and comfort of those living some distance from the main parish church. Many served the dual purpose of Chantry Chapels and were served by the monasteries. Marriages and christenings as well as other services could be performed but few enjoyed the rights of sepulchra (burial). Many chapels of ease were abolished in 1547 by the chantries act. Chapelry:  Anciently a term reserved for the daughter church of a Minster but frequently used post reformation to describe a section of a large parish sometimes with a resident priest subordinate to the incumbent. Note that a chapelry need not have a surviving chapel of ease to function. Upton a chapelry of Sibson and Sheepy Parva a Chapelry of Sheepy Magna, both in Leicestershire, were classified as chapelries with their own Tithes and Poor Rate  but no documentary evidence of either chapel has been found after the 16th century. Regards Roger Family History Research: GILL, BERRY, CHARLESWORTH, ROBINSON and many others in the Holme Valley, south of Huddersfield. http://www.roger.d.gill.btinternet.co.uk/index1gen.htm http://rogergill.me.uk > >This gal over in the colonies seems some help. > >In Stainland, were the Chapelry of Stainland and the Chapel >of Ease one and the same? > >Thanks. > >Carole > > 

Everyone, please have a look at the marvelous video indicated in Angela's message. (That resource also gives another website). These videos show the old Mill in action, with retired mechanical men of the area. Powered by water, and still active sawing logs and lumber and turning lathes to create bowls and souvenirs. This is precious to me, as my father dammed a stream, built a shop and deck and wheel, and ran his wood-turning lathe on electricity produced by the wheel and turbine, dynamo, etc. He did this at age 18/19 (1932-4), learning from an English book on waterwheels. The wheel also provided electricity for his father's cabin and the barn, and later on his own home. He and his father were pioneers in rural Surrey, British Columbia, creating a farm from the stumps left by logging the once Pacific Coast marvel, the Green Timbers Forest. You can read more about it on www.surreyhistory.ca under Tompson Family. It was a devastating day when 20 years later, the wheel and deck structure were ripped off their supporting posts by a rushing flooded stream, which had turned into an angry river. May Gayle Mill last forever! Thanks for this very special diversion within a busy day. EE -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE WILLOTT Subject: [YORKSGEN] Fw: yorksgen holiday Please see the very kind reply about the lunch time lecture at Northallerton archives from Angela below. Chris ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Angela Leathley <leathleya@hotmail.com> To: christine.willott@btopenworld.com Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012, 10:51 Subject: RE: [YORKSGEN] yorksgen holiday Just to let you know, I will be presenting the lecture at NYCRO at Northallerton on July 27th.   The topic is 'Gayle Mill - from textile to turbines'.   I am the (volunteer) historical researcher at Gayle Mill, and have spent the last couple of years investigating the fascinating history of the Mill. My research has taken me all over, including a great deal of time spent in NYCRO, and encompasses everything from slavery, religion, and textiles, to the Tay Bridge disaster. As I am now aware Yorksgen members will be attending, I will bring along the family trees of the some of the key players. Perhaps some new links may be made.   If any members have time, they may like to visit the Mill, which is situated in upper Wensleydale, a few hundred yards from the Wensleydale Creamery (Hawes).   Details about the Mill (which is a charity, not a commercial mill) can be found at www.gaylemill.org.uk Should you wish to visit as a group, this can be arranged by contacting the Mill, in advance.   Regards   Angela Leathley     > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:25:29 +0100 > From: christine.willott@btopenworld.com > To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] yorksgen holiday > > The holiday group usually attend the Ryedale group FH meeting which occurs in the last 2 weeks of July. Do listers know of any other FH groups in Yorkshire who will be holding meetings that may be of interest during this fortnight please?  > Reminder - Your fair ladies lecture day is the middle Saturday - you need to book > and > Northallerton archives have a lunch time lecture on the 27th July. Again you need to book. > > Chris > .....

I agree, I found it relly useful. Edie McArthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Edwards" <ellenonpine@shaw.ca> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Finding missing ancestors in the online censuses > Thanks, Roy, for the Newbie's Guide. It's basic enough for beginners, yet > filled with reminders for the experienced... EE > > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Finding missing ancestors in the online censuses > > I have now "tidied up" and put together the tips and hints I gave a little > while ago on the list on > how to finding missing ancestors in the censuses. > > This will in due course be a complete replacement for the censuses section > of my Newbies' > Guide, but in the meantime I am able to make it available to anyone who > would like a copy in > one of two formats..... > > 1) A MicroSoft 1997-2003 doc file. > > 2) PDF > > The file is around 1200 words in length and if you'd like a copy, just > e-mail me. You don't > need to ask my permission to pass it on or republish it, but I would ask > that you respect my > copyright line and acknowledge me as the author. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From: "Darryl Wilson" <dn.wilson@bigpond.com> > This is all so fascinating! Hearing about everyones' ancestry and > forebears has really spurred me on to research my Gloucestershire > grandmother (Ellis) and forebears' ancestry further and more > thoroughly than her cousin did in the 1960s to 80s. It was mostly > done by snail mail, but fortunately she lived in England, so was > able to pursue her hobby in person as well. > My grandfather came from Scotland and when I was researching his > Craik ancestry, scotland'speople had all the census on line, so I > was able to get back to the mid 1600s (with the help of a wonderful > Scottish researcher.) > > My dad's Garthside and Blackburn forebears all came from Lancashire. > I am still unable to go back further than 1730, since there were all > different spellings of Garthside - Garside, Gartside, Garsyde, > Gartsyde etc. - and though someone suggested that they probably came > from another county into Lancashire, I was unable to find them. > My dad's brother had thoroughly researched them and found them way > back further. He told my dad that the family had money in Chancery, > but unfortunately he drowned in Cornwall (while trying to save a > swimmer in difficulties and he became caught in a rip) aged only in > his 30s in the 1930s.He had been able to go much further back than I > have, so he would have known from where the Garthside family came, > but alas when he died no-one knew where all his research was.> Reaney & Wilson suggest the name GARSIDE, GARTSIDE and variants came from Garside in Lancashire, the name first appearing in the Assize Rolls for Lancashire in 1285. In the 1881 census the names Garside and Gartside are overwhelming surnames of Lancashire and Yorkshire West Riding, but GARTHSIDE was found only in Lancashire and with only 26 entries, almost all of them in Bolton and Blackburn (British Surname Atlas). Have you checked the IGI for Garthside only, ticking the exact spelling box? There were a very considerable number around Huddersfield and Almondbury but the earliest I could see was a Jane Garthside christened at Rochdale in 1590. There were other instances in the 17th century from various places. My feeling is that while the name almost certainly originated in Lancashire, a lot slipped across the border into Yorkshire and especially the Huddersfield area (sensible folks) and, of course, Rochdale is fairly close to the border. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Irene Marlborough" <imarlb@sbcglobal.net> > In one of the families I'm working on, I can track the morphing of > the forename Belinda to Blenda as the family moved from Herefordshire to > Gloucestershire, then to Cumberland and eventually to County Durham > and by the present into Yorkshire. Belinda is almost never seen in County > Durham so it must have been difficult for a registrar. I have no trouble > imagining my West Country coal miner telling the northern registrars or > enumerators the name of his daughter and finding that they hadn't heard the name > before. < The British Surname Atlas program on CD - which covers forenames as well as surnames in the 1881 census - confirms your belief. In the 1881 census the greatest number of females (at least I'm assuming they were all female) were found in Middlesex, which of course included a large part of London. Middlesex had 124 Belindas, next came Lancashire with 79 followed by Cornwall (54), Norfolk (53) and Kent (50) while Gloucestershire had 30. Co Durham had only 10. The grand total for the name Belinda was 877. There were of course other variants but BLENDA accounted for only 19 entries, none of them in Co Durham. Some of these may have been misspellings. A popularity chart shows that the name barely existed (fewer than 10 references were not mapped) before 1801-1811 and then climbed steadily, increasing between censuses until there were 198 females with the name Belinda born between 1871-1881. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I know that it is close to heresy to mention Lancashire here but I picked up one book at a reduced price some years ago, it is about Lancashire during the early 19th Century and describes the living and working conditions during that period very well. I am sure it is just as applicable to conditions in Yorkshire at the same time. The poverty of many families is terrible, coincidentally some time later I bought a book about women's memories of living in South Wales between the two World Wars. Some of the stories there are as bad as the ones from the 19th Century. The First Industrial Society: Social History of Lancashire, 1750-1850 Chris Aspin http://goo.gl/V86Az Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trish Michael Sent: 07 June 2012 23:17 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Any good books on the history oif England ?

tomorrow at St Edmund's Church in Kellington 10am - 3pm GIFT DAY / OPEN DAY attending is Pontefract Family History Society with transcribed Publications Please call in to see this lovely Church & talk to us about your family research, we may be able to help. The M.I.'s was done of the churchyard couple of years ago, transcribed into two booklets, also on a CD with a few photos included of some of the graves. hope to see some of you there, Maureen, Peter & Sonny

Not just person names but place names as well. One of my lot was born in Thurnscoe and in the 1851 census it is recorded as Thunsker which is probably just as he would have said it John

I imagine that 'young' was the sound the recorder heard; try pronouncing the name in French, not English. See? Cheers, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Drover54@aol.com To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 01:19:55 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Getting the name wrong In a message dated 6/7/2012 6:16:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, imarlb@sbcglobal.net writes: I think that dialects and accents may have had a lot to do with spelling This is so true my husband had an uncle who's last name was Dionne and he was French the person put Young. Jane ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, We have all had experience of mis-spelt, mis-pronounced, mis-transcribed and umpteen variations of names, but it is easy to understand how and why this happens, as it is happening here and now. I have received many emails during the past few days, some of which have been address to Janet. I recently received a cheque that was addressed to Janet Wood – my bank refused to accept it. I was given credit for information in an article recently published in a local history magazine, but my name was given as Janet Woods, so nobody knew it was me! At the time, I thought it was perhaps a good thing, as the writer had misinterpreted several of the facts that I had given him. I am sure we are all guilty of making mistakes. I think it is because we are in too much of a hurry to stop and read thoroughly. Our ancestors lived at a slower pace, but they had only handwriting to read which, good or bad, can be mis-read. They also had much stronger local dialect and accents to contend with than those that we hear today. Imagine a Yorkshire born census enumerator encountering a Cornish miner in the ironstone mining areas of the North Riding – would they understand each other at all? There were also many Irish immigrants as well as incomers from County Durham and Northumberland – what a language problem they must have had – I have trouble understanding people in that area now, and it’s only 50 miles from home. How lucky we are that we can communicate in readable print! Janice Wood

And you can edit pages to remove errors or add extra information as well as start new pages. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bowne Sent: 07 June 2012 22:05 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] wikipedia.com http://www.wikipedia.com   type a word  or subject example yorkshire and you get info on Yorkshire .....

You can save a search so you get an Email if a match appears. You often have to tweak the search to eliminate spurious matches but you can watch out for anything about a particular topic like a village or even a house. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bowne Sent: 07 June 2012 22:27 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] e-bay website http://www.ebay.com same with amazon     type in any surname, town,country,genealogy and you get 1000s of hits lots on England thanks Audrey .....

http://www.wikipedia.com says Edward Rutherfurd a pen name for Francis Edward, Wintle b 1948 Salisbury England lots more info Audrey Bowne

What about This Sceptered Isle, originally a BBC radio series but also a book. Anne Garrison

>From Magdalena's message on 7/6/12 " We may not have a monarchy. We have politicians and politicians come and politicians go, with all the vicissitudes of their "craft", but we have our flag, the iconic representation of our patriotism." Which, I believe, was based on the Family Crest of the Washington family (as can be seen in Selby Abbey) - good Yorkshire stock. Pam in cold Queensland :-)

In a message dated 6/7/2012 6:16:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, imarlb@sbcglobal.net writes: I think that dialects and accents may have had a lot to do with spelling This is so true my husband had an uncle who's last name was Dionne and he was French the person put Young. Jane