Morning all. I've been going through some files and have found a page of burial for each of the above month and years. If anyone has any connections to these people I'd be happy to send the page along. Eastern Cemetery, Preston Road, Hull. Feb 1940 John GOVIER age 53 Annie May GOVIER age 52 Joseph William COCHRANE age 36 Emma Thorpe WILLIAMS age 84 Betty BOYCE age 14 Alice RICHMOND age 28 Ronald Edward BRITTON age 25 Edin CHARLESWORTH age 64 Thomas SUMPTON age 75 Annie Lizzie WALTERS age 56 Elizabeth WRIGHT age 70 (my lass) Grace Ann BROCKLESBY age 26 Margaret Rose ELBOURNE age 8mnths Ada HOLMES age 75 Dec 1947 Alan Peter SMITHSON age 2mnths Stanley Wilson EVERITT age 46 Sara Elizabeth RICHARDSON age 71 Edith WALTERS age 64 Jeffrey PARK age 5mnths George WARVILLE age 63 Marie CLARE age 64 Thomas Sydney HAYNES age 27 George CROOK 62 Ronald GREENE age 42 Samuel Andrew WRIGHT age 79 (mine) Dorothy Day MOORE age 49 Ann WEBSTER age 9 Annie COOPER age 47 Catherine Ann RICHARDSON age 69 ?? WEICHARDT age not given - daughter of Harry and Edna WEICHARDT Margaret ALLEN age 83 Winnie BRADY age 59 Note this is only the relevant page to those I needed and is not the complete month. ttfn Trish Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW
I have to agree with the answers on this thread, but have to add another reason to the mix. This is because of what I know and have experienced with my own maiden surname - FLOWER. I don't know what to call the reason. Could be laziness, or ignorance, or ... I was puzzled as a child, annoyed as a teenager, resigned as an adult. But never liked being called FLOWERS. But it started way back in the mid 1800s. My ancestor had gone north from Somerset, leaving all siblings behind. Gradually the S was added to the surname, and it stuck. No family members in the area to set things straight. So it carried on in the male line. Hence my Dad and his siblings were FLOWERS. After the death of his parents Dad was brought up by his father's sister and her husband. His aunt told him, correctly, the name originally had no S, so when Dad came to NZ he became FLOWER, and never used the S again. However his brother, who remained in England, kept the S. It never worried them or us. I grew up knowing that was the way it was. But many people through my young life would add the S, thoughtlessly, I guess, and I didn't know why. Now I live with another problem. My husband says "Put a P in my name and I'll give you beans!" or "We're the dry ones!" (No P) That's life, people don't change. Shirley Thomson New Plymouth New Zealand Researching: SIMPSON, WRIGHT, CLARKE (Bedale, Yks), RAW, BEAN (Bradford & Swaledale, Yks), FLOWER/S (Co Durham, Bristol, Sth Wales) HARRISON, LAMBERT, SCORER (Co Durham), ASHDOWN, ARNSBY, CAMP (London & Middlesex), TREWEEK, CHAPMAN, PRYNN, LOBB (Cornwall), FERGUSS0N, CLARK, BLACKLEY, RODDAN (Dumfriesshire), THOMSON, SCOTT (Angus)
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Hi Marilyn will could mean either really. What do you know of the family? Checked out the newspapers but the only thing I can find in reference to the church around that time is a fund raising drive to restore it. There's an inquest in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire into the death of Samuel Dobson, 74, a framework knitter who had lived with his son Henry for the last year - died of natural causes. And newspaper reports say the bats are still there, wrecking the church! Maybe best to write to someone connected with the church and see what they know about the obelisk and history. best wishes Jane -----Original Message----- From: Watson Family Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:45 PM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] DOBSON FAMILY of WILTON NTH RIDING Hi, The DOBSON family have a obelisk at Ellerburne Church near Wilton. ROBERT DOBSON and his wife ELIZABETH are on this obelisk. The memorial was built to the will of SAMUEL DOBSON their son in 1879. Does this mean actually "the Will" of Samuel Dobson and did he die in 1879 or was it his wish that it was built? Would love any suggestions. Only Samuel Dobson I could find Free BDM death in 1879 of a Samuel Dobson in Nottinghamshire which when I looked at his probate didn't seem to have any connection at all Should I write to the church itself do you think? At the moment there is a chance that the bats may have closed the church:-) This was happening even back in 2003 when we visited Many thanks for any suggestions and thoughts Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My 4th Great Grandfather Alexander Place born c1778/1784 was married in Halifax, West riding of Yorkshire, gentleman of Skircoat, Halifax, in 1817. He and his wife Mary Place nee Brown the Haifax tailors daughter, had two sons my 3rd Gt GF George Place also born in Halifax 1818, 2nd son Alexander Lee Place. was born in 1821 died aged 15, 1837 just prior to civil registration. At the time of his death, Alexander was secretary to the clerk of the peace and his deth appered in the newspaper Halifax Courier, I think offhand as did his marrraige. Alexander died 1835 at Halifax and is buried at St John The Baptist, Halifax. have absolutely no idea where he was born or to whom. He spent a short period of time in the debtors prison according to the London Gazette in 1821 the year his second child was born. Have no idea who may have bailed him out. There is a Alexander Place born 1735 at north Molton, Devon with parents George and Mary who could either be the faher of grandfther of my Alexander. The other few Alexander Place I have found in other counties are either too early or too late to be him. there was a Linen Draper in Dublin Irfeland in 1778 who could have been the 1735 Devon born Alexander Place. I have the contract of the business with two other men, nothing to do with linen. It was minerals in another county of Ireland. I had to purchase the contract from Devon, which is what makes me thinnk it is the same Alexander. So Could be my Alexander was born somewhere in Ireland. Have found nothing so far in Yorkshire, unless his fathers surname was Lee, but could just as well have been his mothers name as well. Have no idea. Son George went to London to live in the 1840 as did his mother Mary where she died. So we are Londoners from that point on. Alexander still remains a mystery to us all. Edie in Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Wilson" <dn.wilson@bigpond.com> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 4:18 PM Subject: [YORKSGEN] Great reading! > This is all so fascinating! Hearing about everyones' ancestry and > forebears has really spurred me on to research my Gloucestershire > grandmother (Ellis) and forebears' ancestry further and more thoroughly > than her cousin did in the 1960s to 80s. It was mostly done by snail mail, > but fortunately she lived in England, so was able to pursue her hobby in > person as well. died no-one knew where all his research was. > > However, my husband's ancestors came from the West Riding of Yorkshire, so > I'll still be on this list. > > Carolyn in Australia. > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
From: Kim Groothuis <kimsfamilyhistory@yahoo.co.uk> > Thanks for starting this thread, Roy, lots of food for thought. > > I have 15 out of 16 great-great-grandparents born and lived in > Yorkshire. They converged in Dewsbury, although on my paternal > grandmother's side they originated in the Selby area and on > my maternal great-grandfather's side they came from Dalton and > Kirkheaton, now part of Huddersfield.> That is pretty good, Kim! I have only ever come across one person with all 16 great-great-grandparents born in Yorkshire and that was a well-known cartoonist called Mike Atkinson who does cartoons for national newspapers and greetings cards. I did him as a celebrity family tree for the former Practical Family History magazine in 2006 and discovered that all his gt-gt-grandparents came from one very small area within a circle no more than about 15 miles in diameter, centred on Sherburn in Elmet and taking in Tadcaster, Pontefract and Selby. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE
How many ways do you think you could spell the surname Wheldrake? I’ve found over 40 so far including some mistranscribed as Hildrakes and Hildricks (the old fashioned way of writing W looks like H!) It started in medieval York as Qweldrake, Qweldryke – then the more modern spelling of Wheldrake. In the 1600’s/1700’s there are family groups around Leeds, Selby, Howden, Hayton (just north of York), Stubbs Walden (just south of Selby) and Beverley. My direct line Robert and Susanna Weldrake (7x great grandparents) pop up in Birstall, near Huddersfield in 1708 (marriage place and birthplace unknown – though connections to the Leeds group seem most likely) and their name gradually evolved into Weldrick though one or two stayed as Weldrake. So, generally the eastern Yorkshire families keep Weldrake or Wheldrake – apart from the family who changed their name to Wheldrick after a family row over land; the West Yorkshire branch, which spread to Grimsby and Norfolk tend to be Weldrick (sometimes Welldrake). The Weldrake who went to Dublin in the 1600’s –his descendants have now evolved into Weldrick and there are families in Canada who were Weldrake who have evolved into Weldrick and another family of Wheldrake who stayed as Wheldrake. Just to show how fluid things were when spelling wasn’t standardised Robert Weldrake married Ann Medcalf – their son Nathaniel Weldrake, born 1764 married as Welldrake and had a son William Weldrake in 1784. Nathaniel died, then his widow Mary Wildrake died in 1789. William married as Weldrick in 1804 – his widow Mary Welldrake was buried in 1833 – he married again in 1834 as Weldrake – and he and his wife Sarah were buried as Welldrake in 1853 and 1854. In the 1841 census they are Weldrick and in the 1851 census Weldrake. In 1809 their second daughter Mary Ann is baptised as Wildrick... and buried in 1815 as Weldrick and in 1811 daughter Harriet is baptised as Welldrake (at the same church in Southowram near Halifax). Mary married as Welldrake, Harriet married as Willdrake, So if anyone comes across the marriage of a Robert and Susannah in the late 1600’s, early 1700s and thinks the name could look anything like Wheldrake, please let me know – I’ve been chasing them since 1991! Or if you have any clues on how to find them....? happy hunting folks! Jane
I agreewith Roger's and Roy's responses. As a further possibility, I wonder if Carole's query should include the fact that there were also noncomformist congregations in all these towns and their places of worship were called, usually, chapels. I take this opening, by way of illustration, to mention again my clerical ancestor, Robert Webster, who came from Beverley, became a deacon, then a curate at Walkington 1757, followed by Hull Holy Trinity and rector of Thorpe Bassett. At some point he had a temporary curacy at Skidby, which was a chapel of the parish of Cottingham. Bill On Fri 08/06/12 8:01 PM , Roger Gill roger.d.gill@btinternet.com sent: Hi Carole A search on Google reveals the following as part of the Leicestershire Resources site: http://www.mdlp.co.uk/resources/glossary.htm [1] I had the same issue at Elland which, with Stainland, is in the ancient parish of Halifax. The Parish church in Halifax is classed as a Minster, which, fits with the description below, taken from that website. I believe both terms refer to the same establishment. Chapel of Ease: These were provided for the ease and comfort of those living some distance from the main parish church. Many served the dual purpose of Chantry Chapels and were served by the monasteries. Marriages and christenings as well as other services could be performed but few enjoyed the rights of sepulchra (burial). Many chapels of ease were abolished in 1547 by the chantries act. Chapelry: Anciently a term reserved for the daughter church of a Minster but frequently used post reformation to describe a section of a large parish sometimes with a resident priest subordinate to the incumbent. Note that a chapelry need not have a surviving chapel of ease to function. Upton a chapelry of Sibson and Sheepy Parva a Chapelry of Sheepy Magna, both in Leicestershire, were classified as chapelries with their own Tithes and Poor Rate but no documentary evidence of either chapel has been found after the 16th century. Regards Roger Family History Research: GILL, BERRY, CHARLESWORTH, ROBINSON and many others in the Holme Valley, south of Huddersfield. http://www.roger.d.gill.btinternet.co.uk/index1gen.htm [2] http://rogergill.me.uk [3] > >This gal over in the colonies seems some help. > >In Stainland, were the Chapelry of Stainland and the Chapel >of Ease one and the same? > >Thanks. > >Carole > > ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html [4]; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org [5]; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com [6]; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] http://webmail-old.internode.on.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mdlp.co.uk%2Fresources%2Fglossary.htm [2] http://webmail-old.internode.on.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.roger.d.gill.btinternet.co.uk%2Findex1gen.htm [3] http://webmail-old.internode.on.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Frogergill.me.uk [4] http://webmail-old.internode.on.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.genuki.org.uk%2Fbig%2Feng%2FYKS%2Findex.html [5] http://webmail-old.internode.on.net/parse.php?redirect=http://www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org [6] http://webmail-old.internode.on.net/parse.php?redirect=http://www.yorkshireparishregisters.com
>> I had the same issue at Elland which, with Stainland, is in the >> ancient parish of Halifax. The Parish church in Halifax is classed >> as a Minster, which, fits with the description below, taken from >> that website. I believe both terms refer to the same >> establishment.< > > .....snip history..... > > Since the Parish Church of St John the Baptist, Halifax, was only designated as > a Minster in > 2009, the ancient terms to which you refer would hardly seem to apply. > > Here's what the National Index of Parish Registers Volume 11 Part 3 > Yorkshire West Riding > (published by the SoG) has to say about Stainland..... > > "HALIFAX St Andrew, Stainland. Township of Stainland in Halifax. From 1724 > formed part of > Elland. Church erected 1754-5 as nonconformist chapel; became C of E 1840. > Separate > parish 1843 from Elland. [Then follows a list of where the registers are but > they only appear > to date from 1782] > > "HALIFAX St Mary Magdalene, Outlane, Stainland. Daughter church of > Stainland St Andrew." > > Under Elland, the NIPR explains that the parish of St Mary with St Michael, > Elland, was > created in 1724 from the chapelries of Elland and Rastrick in Halifax "and > various townships > including Barkisland, Elland-with-Greetland, Stainland and Fixby". Elland > also had another > church, all Saints, a daughter church of St Mary. > > I should perhaps explain that Halifax is one of the most difficult places to > research in because > it was once the largest parish in England, extending from the outskirts of > Bradford to the > Lancashire border at Todmorden, with no fewer than 23 townships, virtually all > with their own > daughter churches or chapelries. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE Roy Many thanks for this useful info Regards Roger Family History Research: GILL, BERRY, CHARLESWORTH, ROBINSON and many others in the Holme Valley, south of Huddersfield. http://www.roger.d.gill.btinternet.co.uk/index1gen.htm http://rogergill.me.uk
A similar example I ran into in my research was of my great-grandparents in Ontario (emigrated from Richmond area, as I recall) who were enumerated in 1891 as "Ossiah" by a French-speaking recorder who did his best with their correct name of Usher. I finally found them by re-reading all the microfilm entries for their district and sounding out every surname as written (luckily I knew their address so could focus on just that one district). And that's a trick I continue to use regularly. regards, Jean with other Yorkshire roots in Ryedale <-----Original Message-----> >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 06:15:52 +0000 (UTC) >From: Gary in Berkeley <garymarian@comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Getting the name wrong >To: Drover54@aol.com >Cc: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > >I imagine that 'young' was the sound the recorder heard; try pronouncing the >name in French, not English. >See? > Cheers, > Gary <span id=m2wTl><p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" style="font-size:13.5px">_______________________________________________________________<BR>Get the Free email that has everyone talking at <a href=http://www.mail2world.com target=new>http://www.mail2world.com</a><br> <font color=#999999>Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More!</font></font></span>
It was a terrific read - great detail on lots of subjects. The journey from York to Hull passed through the area where I grew up and it was very interesting to look at those places from a different perspective. Recommend highly. Message ----- From: "CHRISTINE WILLOTT" <christine.willott@btopenworld.com> To: "Audrey Bowne" <acbowne1@yahoo.com>; <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] any history books on English speaking countries ? If you want to read historical fiction and at the same time learn about Yorkshire and the implications of Robert Aske's rebellion read CJ Sansom's 'Sovereign'. It is a whodunit based around the time of Henry viii's visit to York. Sansom did his research at the Borthwick prior to writing the book. Chris ________________________________ From: Audrey Bowne <acbowne1@yahoo.com> To: "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012, 20:53 Subject: [YORKSGEN] any history books on English speaking countries ? I or We need to read History Books to learn about our past Scotland Ireland Australia Canada Wales England New Zeland South Africa USA etc start a list ? 1) Gateway to Canada Virginia Sauve pub 2012 ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks for starting this thread, Roy, lots of food for thought. I have 15 out of 16 great-great-grandparents born and lived in Yorkshire. They converged in Dewsbury, although on my paternal grandmother's side they originated in the Selby area and on my maternal great-grandfather's side they came from Dalton and Kirkheaton, now part of Huddersfield. I have probably spent more time (for less reward) on the 16th than on the other 15 put together, although since the publication of the 1911 census I have made better progress. Elizabeth Branney was born in Killough, Co Down, Ireland, in the 1840s and came to England in the 1850s or 1860s. (Prior to the 1911 census the best she could do was 'Ireland', and at her marriage in 1868 her place of residence was 'Batley, and Co Down, Ireland' - and I thought I had a long commute!) The people on the Co Down list have been very kind and I'm finally making some progress; it looks like the family came over to Barrow in Furness, presumably for the shipbuilding industry as their home area was close to the Harland and Wolff shipyard and their adopted town was the home of Vickers. Elizabeth returned to Barrow after she was widowed, and my father remembers his own father (Elizabeth's son) referring to going 'home' to Barrow for visits. I've also noticed the time gaps. When I was a small child I regarded all my grandparents as'old', but actually my father's parents (born 1890) were about the same age as my mother's maternal grandparents (born 1886 and 1889). My best example of social mobility is my MORRITT family (father's mother's mother's ancestors). We seem to have everything from High Court judges and best friends of Walter Scott to ag labs and alleged murderers. I was intrigued by my BROUGH ancestors (maternal grandmother's father's side) who originated in Lastingham in North Yorkshire and moved down to Gildersome in the first half of the 1800s. They were weavers and I'm guessing that they moved from home working to employment in the mills - the census information seems to suggest this. Kim --- On Thu, 7/6/12, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote: From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] What constitutes a Yorkshireman or woman? To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 7 June, 2012, 18:07 From: Self <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> 9 of my great-great-grandparents were born in Yorkshire, 2 in Wiltshire, 1 in Gloucestershire, 1 in Somerset, two in Northumberland and 1 in Edinburgh. What I also find interesting is the very considerable difference in time gaps between them. Another thing that intrigues me is social mobility and movement.
Hi, The DOBSON family have a obelisk at Ellerburne Church near Wilton. ROBERT DOBSON and his wife ELIZABETH are on this obelisk. The memorial was built to the will of SAMUEL DOBSON their son in 1879. Does this mean actually "the Will" of Samuel Dobson and did he die in 1879 or was it his wish that it was built? Would love any suggestions. Only Samuel Dobson I could find Free BDM death in 1879 of a Samuel Dobson in Nottinghamshire which when I looked at his probate didn't seem to have any connection at all Should I write to the church itself do you think? At the moment there is a chance that the bats may have closed the church:-) This was happening even back in 2003 when we visited Many thanks for any suggestions and thoughts Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia
Thanks to Roy for his info on the forename Belinda. The first incumbent of the mangled version, Blenda, was born in Dec 1881 and so missed the census by a few months. Her birth was actually registered as Blender (you can hear the West Country burr, can't you). Her aunt Belinda was still alive having been born in Gloucestershire in 1862. She was married and living in Washington, Co. Durham in 1881. This one was also named after an aunt born in 1823. But my first Belinda appears in 1795 in Herefordshire. It makes me wonder where the name came from. This family named their first child Belinda even though they followed standard naming patterns for subsequent children. Sorry to have wandered so far from Yorkshire but there are 2 current holders of the name both living in Yorkshire so it does count. Best wishes, Irene
History books? Where to start? Fact * The Midland Peasant. The economic and social history of a Leicestershire Village by W G Hoskins. A study of the peasant farmer pre 1066-1800 (a classic) * The Making of the English Working Class by E P Thompson ('written in Yorkshire and coloured by West Riding sources' - strong stuff) * Condition of the Working Class in England by Friedrich Engels (1844 Manchester - grim) * The Family, Sex and Marriage in England 1500-1800 by Lawrence Stone ('highly informative ...') * Any title by Eric Hobsbawm Fiction * Hilary Mantel seems to be doing a pretty good job on the Tudor period with 'Wolf Hall' and 'Bring up the bodies'. * British Victorian novelists a-plenty. * English Passengers by Matthew Kneale (1857 and a ship sets out for Tasmania... 'Breathtakingly good ...Funny, savage, compassionate ...') * Sweet Thames by Matthew Kneale (1849 London. 'Raw in content, elegant in treatment ...') I can't recommend these 2 books by Kneale strongly enough!) * The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressell (Witty and passionate. 'The first great English novel about class war' -Alan Sillitoe. * Small Island by Andrea Levy (1948 and the arrival of the Windrush from the Caribbean) * Still here by Linda Grant (modern day Liverpool, emigration and immigration) Biography * Brother to the Ox by Fred Kitchen (remarkable, simple, gentle autobiography of a farm labourer in Nottinghamshire and the West Riding, 1891-1969 - lovely read) * Catherine of Aragon by Giles Tremlett (highly readable, full of surprises - to me at least) * 1599 A year in the life of Shakespeare by James Shapiro (original, enlightening) * Any title by Claire Tomalin: Mrs Jordan's Profession: (actress Dora Jordan, mistress of George lV); The Invisible Woman: (Nelly Ternan, mistress of Charles Dickens); Jane Austen: A Life; The Life and Death of Mary Wollstonecroft; The Unequalled Self: Samuel Pepys; Charles Dickens; A Life; ... and more And where to stop? History is always in the making. Oh! If I had to choose one book as a genealogist's Bible I would recommend 'The Parish Chest' by W E Tate. It has all the answers you will ever need to know about English parish records. Watch the archivists reach for it when they get stuck! Ruth
I suspect the OP Audrey has been overwhelmed with suggestions by now. However, for a real picture of what rural life was like for ordinary people in England in the late 19th century I feel obliged to recommend the novels of Thomas Hardy. Not set in Yorkshire, of course, but rather in Wessex (really Dorset), but as good a portrayal as I think you will find of how folks lived in rural communities and on the land. I particularly enjoyed Far From The Madding Crowd, which was also filmed in 1967 and starred Julie Christie, Alan Bates, Terence Stamp and Peter Finch and directed by John Schlesinger. The point about Far From The Madding Crowd (Hardy's 4th novel in 1874 and his first successful one) is that it portrayed a rural community that had more or less stood still from an earlier age. Has anyone mentioned Winifred Holtby's "South Riding" - televised over here last year as a four-part series - as a source for Yorkshire life? And, of course, there are the Brontes. Probably Audrey was more concerned with factual history books but I reckon that a few decent novels dealing with the lives of ordinary people can give a greater insight into the true character of a nation than all those books about kings and queens and military commanders. After all, it's the ordinary, unsung folks who are the real backbone of a country - the ones who did the actual work and the fighting. They may have had leaders from a different class but the ancestors of most of us were the ones who did the real work! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE
This is all so fascinating! Hearing about everyones' ancestry and forebears has really spurred me on to research my Gloucestershire grandmother (Ellis) and forebears' ancestry further and more thoroughly than her cousin did in the 1960s to 80s. It was mostly done by snail mail, but fortunately she lived in England, so was able to pursue her hobby in person as well. My grandfather came from Scotland and when I was researching his Craik ancestry, scotland'speople had all the census on line, so I was able to get back to the mid 1600s (with the help of a wonderful Scottish researcher.) My dad's Garthside and Blackburn forebears all came from Lancashire. I am still unable to go back further than 1730, since there were all different spellings of Garthside - Garside, Gartside, Garsyde, Gartsyde etc. - and though someone suggested that they probably came from another county into Lancashire, I was unable to find them. My dad's brother had thoroughly researched them and found them way back further. He told my dad that the family had money in Chancery, but unfortunately he drowned in Cornwall (while trying to save a swimmer in difficulties and he became caught in a rip) aged only in his 30s in the 1930s.He had been able to go much further back than I have, so he would have known from where the Garthside family came, but alas when he died no-one knew where all his research was. However, my husband's ancestors came from the West Riding of Yorkshire, so I'll still be on this list. Carolyn in Australia.
Having traced Emily to being transferred from Menwith the Bootham Park in 1949, the trail has gone cold. Dr Kathy Webb at the Borthwick has been helpful, but the records for that period have been destroyed. She is definitely in the admissions book, but the column for deaths/ discharges/transfers is blank. Today I rang the genealogy section of the York cemetery office, again got someone very helpful, but was told that there is no Emily Lee buried in the York cemeteries. However the gentleman did find an Emily Lee of the right age registered in Durham in 1954. This is not as daft as it sounds as although Emily's husband lived in Knaresborough, there were members of the wider family in Durham. So I rang the registry office in Bishop Auckland and again got a very helpful person. She is going to check out this Emily. The certificate will be £10, but as I have not yet given my card details, I assume I will only have to pay if it is the right person. Chris
Some of my favourite books: The Making of the English Working Class by E.P. Thompson Samuel Pepys (The Unequalled Self) by Claire Tomalin Lancaster & York (The Wars of the Roses) by Alison Weir The English Civil War by Diane Purkiss Mid-Victorian Britain 1851-75 by Geoffrey Best Unbridled Spirits (Women of the English Revolution: 1640-1660) by Stevie Davies and although it is about London, I just love the book "London Labour and the London Poor" by Henry Mayhew (published in 1851). When I lived in England one was not able to borrow it from the Public Library, one could only read it in the reference section. However, I lived for 2 years in The Netherlands and borrowed it from the Public Library in the town of Eindhoven. A quick google shows it is on-line at: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/authors.html For anyone living in the UK, I can recommend seeking out an Oxfam Bookshop. When I lived in Chelmsford, Essex there was both a "normal" Oxfam Charity Shop but also an Oxfam Bookshop and the latter was a little goldmine. Apparently there are now over 150 Oxfam bookshops, see: http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/books/history Happy reading, everyone Dawn in Sweden -----Original Message----- From: Audrey Bowne Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 9:53 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] any history books on English speaking countries ? I or We need to read History Books to learn about our past <snip>
I also love the novels of Thomas Hardy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy.stockdill@btinternet.com" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:12 PM Subject: [YORKSGEN] any history books on english speaking countries I suspect the OP Audrey has been overwhelmed with suggestions by now. However, for a real picture of what rural life was like for ordinary people in England in the late 19th century I feel obliged to recommend the novels of Thomas Hardy. Not set in Yorkshire, of course, but rather in Wessex (really Dorset), but as good a portrayal as I think you will find of how folks lived in rural communities and on the land. I particularly enjoyed Far From The Madding Crowd, which was also filmed in 1967 and starred Julie Christie, Alan Bates, Terence Stamp and Peter Finch and directed by John Schlesinger. The point about Far From The Madding Crowd (Hardy's 4th novel in 1874 and his first successful one) is that it portrayed a rural community that had more or less stood still from an earlier age. Has anyone mentioned Winifred Holtby's "South Riding" - televised over here last year as a four-part series - as a source for Yorkshire life? And, of course, there are the Brontes. Probably Audrey was more concerned with factual history books but I reckon that a few decent novels dealing with the lives of ordinary people can give a greater insight into the true character of a nation than all those books about kings and queens and military commanders. After all, it's the ordinary, unsung folks who are the real backbone of a country - the ones who did the actual work and the fighting. They may have had leaders from a different class but the ancestors of most of us were the ones who did the real work! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message