Dear Roy You asked - 'I wonder if any listers in the Skipton area might happen to know if the Broughton Hall Roman Catholic Chapel, the private chapel of the Tempest family, still exists?' Broughton Hall is now the home of the famous magazine the Dalesman Country Publications Limited The Water Mill, Broughton Hall, Skipton North Yorkshire BD23 3AG Telephone: 01756 701381. The editor Paul Jackson editorial@thecountryman.co.uk would I feel sure be interested in your story for publication. They printed a beautiful write up of our Upper Dales book 'Those Who Left the Dales' last year. Roger Tempest now runs the estate and he can be contacted at 01756 799608 rogertempest@broughtonhall.co.uk Best wishes Glenys in the Yorkshire Dales www.cumpston.org.uk On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 10:44 PM, trisha walker <jackgeorgeisaac@yahoo.com>wrote: > > > Skipton parish comes under the Diocese of Leeds and they have an archives > office in Leeds: > > Hinsley Hall, > 62 Headingley Lane, > LEEDS, LS6 2BX > > Tel: 0113 261 8022 > Fax: 0113 261 8035 > > > > > Their website: > > > http://www.dioceseofleeds.org.uk/d_parishes/searchparish.php?keywords=skipton&Submit2.x=11&Submit2.y=9&Submit2=Search > > > > > shows two churches in Skipton so I guess you have a choice of to either > contact the church or the archives to find out more information > > Trisha > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "roy.stockdill@btinternet.com" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > To: yORKSGEN@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2012, 19:05 > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Broughton Hall, Skipton, private RC chapel of the > Tempests > > I wonder if any listers in the Skipton area might happen to know if the > Broughton Hall Roman > Catholic Chapel, the private chapel of the Tempest family, still exists? > Despite Googling and > checking my reference books, I have not been able to establish this. I > know that Broughton > Hall is now a major business park (still belonging to the Tempests, I > believe) but I couldn't > find a mention of the chapel. > > My reason for asking is that I was mildly surprised to discover from the > IGI that one > SYLVESTER BRACEWELL, a colateral ancestor of mine who was baptised at > Kirkby > Malham on 16 July 1758 (he was a brother of my 4x great-grandfather > William Bracewell) > apparently christened three sons there in the 1790s. Sylvester married > Nanny (or Nancy) > PARKER at Kirkby Malham on 3 June 1777 and they had three sons called > Silvester (1792), > Jonathan (1795) and Marcus (1798), all baptised at Broughton Hall Catholic > Chapel, > Broughton in Airedale, about 3 miles west of Skipton. I believe the > records are now at TNA at > Kew. > > I can only assume that Sylvester Bracewell was a worker on the Broughton > estate and > perhaps he had no choice other than to baptise his children as Catholics > there. I make this > point because in 40 years of research I have never found any other member > of my family in > any other line who was a Roman Catholic. > > The Tempest family were of course well-known Catholic Recusants and > perhaps they > enforced their religion upon their workers. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From: trisha walker <jackgeorgeisaac@yahoo.com> > > Skipton parish comes under the Diocese of Leeds and they have an > archives office in Leeds: > > Hinsley Hall, > 62 Headingley Lane, > LEEDS, LS6 2BX > > Tel: 0113 261 8022 > Fax: 0113 261 8035 > > Their website: > > http://www.dioceseofleeds.org.uk/d_parishes/searchparish.php?keyword > s=skipto > n&Submit2.x=11&Submit2.y=9&Submit2=Search > > > shows two churches in Skipton so I guess you have a choice of to > either contact the church or the archives to find out more information > > Trisha Thank you, Trisha, and the Google reference seems to indicate that the Broughton Hall chapel does still exist. However, I think it extremely unlikely that they still have registers from the 1790s which according to the NIPR are at Kew. I am simply curious as to why any of my ancestors, albeit colateral ones, had their children baptised as Catholics when there is no evidence whatsoever that any of my family were ever Catholics (before 1533, that is, when everybody were Catholics). -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

My 4xgt grandfather Thomas BLYTH/E "most likely" married an Elizabeth BEDALE: IGI-Likely marriage-Source Film Number: 990828 Thomas Blyth England Marriages, 1538-1973 marriage: 07 Feb 1773 Hull, York, England spouse:Eliz Bedale (One of their sons has the name of Beadall which certainly seems to indicate this is the correct marriage)) However, apart from the first child, (a daughter named Sarah bp 1774) who was baptised in Hull, the other 7 children were baptised in Whitby. I have been unable to locate birth/baptisms for parents in Hull on Family Search and since moving from Toronto I am unable to access the LDS Family History Centre there to order and view the films for Whitby. If anyone has easy access to the Whitby PRs or BTs would they be so kind as to check to see if by chance the parents originated there I would appreciate it. I realise of course that either or both of the parents could be from somewhere entirely different!! If by chance anyone is researching this family please drop me a line. Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont)

I wonder if any listers in the Skipton area might happen to know if the Broughton Hall Roman Catholic Chapel, the private chapel of the Tempest family, still exists? Despite Googling and checking my reference books, I have not been able to establish this. I know that Broughton Hall is now a major business park (still belonging to the Tempests, I believe) but I couldn't find a mention of the chapel. My reason for asking is that I was mildly surprised to discover from the IGI that one SYLVESTER BRACEWELL, a colateral ancestor of mine who was baptised at Kirkby Malham on 16 July 1758 (he was a brother of my 4x great-grandfather William Bracewell) apparently christened three sons there in the 1790s. Sylvester married Nanny (or Nancy) PARKER at Kirkby Malham on 3 June 1777 and they had three sons called Silvester (1792), Jonathan (1795) and Marcus (1798), all baptised at Broughton Hall Catholic Chapel, Broughton in Airedale, about 3 miles west of Skipton. I believe the records are now at TNA at Kew. I can only assume that Sylvester Bracewell was a worker on the Broughton estate and perhaps he had no choice other than to baptise his children as Catholics there. I make this point because in 40 years of research I have never found any other member of my family in any other line who was a Roman Catholic. The Tempest family were of course well-known Catholic Recusants and perhaps they enforced their religion upon their workers. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I have to disagree. Twitter and Yorksgen are two completely different things and serve different purposes. Twitter offers the chance to pick up news items usually with links to more information. I follow lots of people for work purposes as well as leisure. The following family history related Twitter accounts are all interesting, especially West Yorkshire Lives and West Yorks Archives. The best Twitter accounts for me are those that don't actually say much. I find that when they have something to post it is usually worth reading. @GuildOneName @WYorkshireLives @wyorksarchives @findmypast @AncestryUK * * The most important Twitter account of all is of course @Yorkshireccc Malcolm Emmett @emm33 On 10 June 2012 00:01, Roger Gill <roger.d.gill@btinternet.com> wrote: > Sorry but I cannot see much difference. Its just a duplication and I have > enough passwords and accounts already. > > > If it is worth saying put it on the list. > > Regards > > > Roger > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Morning all,  just want to say a public thank you to Patsy, Christ, Christine, Mark, Yvonne and Lin who all sent snippets of info that may help in my quest to find this lady's baptism place and or BEARPARK snippets. My first port of call is to order the marriage film and cross fingers it gives me a lead.  If not then onto ordering baptism films for various possible locations. Thank you again for your input. ttfn Trish Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW.

Skipton parish comes under the Diocese of Leeds and they have an archives office in Leeds: Hinsley Hall, 62 Headingley Lane, LEEDS, LS6 2BX Tel: 0113 261 8022 Fax: 0113 261 8035  Their website:  http://www.dioceseofleeds.org.uk/d_parishes/searchparish.php?keywords=skipton&Submit2.x=11&Submit2.y=9&Submit2=Search  shows two churches in Skipton so I guess you have a choice of to either contact the church or the archives to find out more information  Trisha  ________________________________ From: "roy.stockdill@btinternet.com" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: yORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2012, 19:05 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Broughton Hall, Skipton, private RC chapel of the Tempests I wonder if any listers in the Skipton area might happen to know if the Broughton Hall Roman Catholic Chapel, the private chapel of the Tempest family, still exists? Despite Googling and checking my reference books, I have not been able to establish this. I know that Broughton Hall is now a major business park (still belonging to the Tempests, I believe) but I couldn't find a mention of the chapel. My reason for asking is that I was mildly surprised to discover from the IGI that one SYLVESTER BRACEWELL, a colateral ancestor of mine who was baptised at Kirkby Malham on 16 July 1758 (he was a brother of my 4x great-grandfather William Bracewell) apparently christened three sons there in the 1790s. Sylvester married Nanny (or Nancy) PARKER at Kirkby Malham on 3 June 1777 and they had three sons called Silvester (1792), Jonathan (1795) and Marcus (1798), all baptised at Broughton Hall Catholic Chapel, Broughton in Airedale, about 3 miles west of Skipton. I believe the records are now at TNA at Kew. I can only assume that Sylvester Bracewell was a worker on the Broughton estate and perhaps he had no choice other than to baptise his children as Catholics there. I make this point because in 40 years of research I have never found any other member of my family in any other line who was a Roman Catholic. The Tempest family were of course well-known Catholic Recusants and perhaps they enforced their religion upon their workers. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just been on a Family History Group visit to The Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Claremont in Leeds. www.yas.org.uk Not checked their online listings for ages. Useful link of Monumental Inscriptions they hold: http://www.yas.org.uk/content/moninsc.html Amazing geographic coverage North, South, East and West. Jackie

Hi Trish, On Family Search there is a marriage of Thomas BEARPACK to Anne KNIGHT on 6 Jun 1827 at Fingall, York, England. Also several births to the couple (with name BEARPARK). Hope this helps, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Trish Michael Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:12 AM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Ann KNIGHT born 1802 ish - suggestions please Morning All. I have been trying for many years to track down the birth/baptism of Ann KNIGHT born 1802 (give/take 5 years). She had several children to Thomas BEARPARK of Ainderby Steeple in many places as it would seem that they moved around. I've been unable to find a marriage. .....

I find Twitter very useful for announcements from a range of organisations - I heard about this weekend's free access to Ancestry's 1940 US census through an announcement from Ancestry on Twitter. I have seen hardly any of the ‘going out for a walk with the dog’ type message. I can't see it replacing the YORKSGEN mailing list but will see how it goes. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janice Wood Sent: 09 June 2012 19:41 To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Admin: Join the Conversation Hello all, Do you tweet? We now have a Twitter account for Yorksgen. Please follow us @yorksgen for interactive discussion and bulletins. Please note, we will NOT follow anyone who takes the trouble to tell us that it’s ‘time for bed’ or ‘going out for a walk with the dog’ – we don’t need to know all that – Join the conversation! Twitter has a poor reputation in some places, however, if used sensibly, it can be very, very useful. We can keep up to date with events, as they happen, and discuss things that have happened in the recent past or further back in history.

Sorry but I cannot see much difference. Its just a duplication and I have enough passwords and accounts already.   If it is worth saying put it on the list. Regards Roger

Apart from one small hiccup of one of my husband's ancestors being born in Liverpool (why we don't know) all his 4x great grandparents were Yorkshire men and women. Lin On 09/06/2012 09:15, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > From: Kim Groothuis<kimsfamilyhistory@yahoo.co.uk> > >> Thanks for starting this thread, Roy, lots of food for thought. >> >> I have 15 out of 16 great-great-grandparents born and lived in >> Yorkshire. They converged in Dewsbury, although on my paternal >> grandmother's side they originated in the Selby area and on >> my maternal great-grandfather's side they came from Dalton and >> Kirkheaton, now part of Huddersfield.> > That is pretty good, Kim! > > I have only ever come across one person with all 16 great-great-grandparents born in > Yorkshire and that was a well-known cartoonist called Mike Atkinson who does cartoons for > national newspapers and greetings cards. > > I did him as a celebrity family tree for the former Practical Family History magazine in 2006 > and discovered that all his gt-gt-grandparents came from one very small area within a circle > no more than about 15 miles in diameter, centred on Sherburn in Elmet and taking in > Tadcaster, Pontefract and Selby. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer& lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy& Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Or even Janice <g> Hem hem Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/06/2012 19:40, Janice Wood wrote: > Hello all, > > Do you tweet? We now have a Twitter account for Yorksgen. Please follow us @yorksgen for interactive discussion and bulletins.

Sorry Janet But God forbid Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/06/2012 19:40, Janice Wood wrote: > Hello all, > > Do you tweet? We now have a Twitter account for Yorksgen. Please follow us @yorksgen for interactive discussion and bulletins. >

Hello all, Do you tweet? We now have a Twitter account for Yorksgen. Please follow us @yorksgen for interactive discussion and bulletins. Please note, we will NOT follow anyone who takes the trouble to tell us that it’s ‘time for bed’ or ‘going out for a walk with the dog’ – we don’t need to know all that – Join the conversation! Twitter has a poor reputation in some places, however, if used sensibly, it can be very, very useful. We can keep up to date with events, as they happen, and discuss things that have happened in the recent past or further back in history. For instance, today we are reminded that the Yorkshire Family History Fair is happening three weeks from today, at the racecourse at York. This is a really big event and this year is expected to be better than ever. Follow @yorksfamilyhistory. We have also been told by the press @yorkpress that the police closed the A64 road between York and Malton this afternoon, due to severe flooding – I was pleased I decided to come home a different way! If you have never tried Twitter before, it is worth reading up on how it works. You don’t have to tweet, if you would rather just watch and read what the people you are following are saying, that’s OK. Try it now, http://www.twitter.com and join the conversation! Regards, Janice Wood

Hear Hear and I personally don't know or care to know how to Tweet..........LOL. Nancy On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Roger Gill <roger.d.gill@btinternet.com>wrote: > Sorry but I cannot see much difference. Its just a duplication and I have > enough passwords and accounts already. > > > If it is worth saying put it on the list. > > Regards > > > Roger > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To Margaret and listers Some while ago I raised the question of Sarah Jane's parentage. I received several hints but the important point was when Margaret spotted that the marriage of Thomas Barrett (now believed to be the father) to Mary Ann Nichol which was registered in 1889 - two decades after they appeared as man and wife in the census. Thomas first married Sarah Ann Schofield in 1848 and they had a son, Joseph Henry,  in 1849. Further children follow but in 1861 Joseph H is with Sarah Ann's parents, Thomas is with his parents ( plus, apparently, three of his children) whilst Sarah Ann appears to be recorded as the wife of James Gledhill and with a 3 year old daughter, Susanna, born in Newcastle upon Tyne. In 1871 Sarah and James with several children are recorded together. The family includes a Sarah Jane Gledhill born in 1864. Thomas Barrett is with Mary Ann Barrett and several children. There is a similar pattern in 1881. In 1883 the marriage of Sarah Jane Barrett and Joseph Saville is recorded with the brides father being named as Thomas Barrett. There is no earlier record of a Sarah Jane being in Thomas' family. Perhaps Sarah Jane Barrett/Gledhill are one and the same. The key point in this saga comes in 1889 when the following burial is recorded at Lightcliffe cemetery: Sarah Barrett aged 59, died 5 July 1889, buried 8 July 1889 . Plot 1093/ O/25. Owner, James Gledhill On the 1st December Thomas Barrett, now officially a widower, marries Mary Ann Nichol. They may not have had access to divorce proceedings but they did their thing anyway. My original Sarah Jane (b 1863) was the dau of William Robinson Barrett, a cousin to Sarah Jane Gledhill/Barrett. I do appreciate that there are rather too many assumptions in this story and that a collection of birth certificates may provide more clarification but that is not an option at the moment.   Regards Roger Family History Research: GILL, BERRY, CHARLESWORTH, ROBINSON and many others in the Holme Valley, south of Huddersfield. http://www.roger.d.gill.btinternet.co.uk/index1gen.htm http://rogergill.me.uk

Hi All,  I didn't find the marriage, Christine did  - so a gold star to her. Thomas BEARPARK and Ann KNIGHT were married in Fingall, North Yorkshire in 1827. I'll order that film and see what eventuates. If get really lucky she may have been born there too.....or is that being too greedy?? Thanks again Christine. ttfn Trish rainy, wintery day here on central coast of NSW.

3. Atkinson - Definitely a settled family! _______________________ 2. On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 1:16 AM That is pretty good, Kim! I have only ever come across one person with all 16 great-great-grandparents born in Yorkshire and that was a well-known cartoonist called Mike Atkinson who does cartoons for national newspapers and greetings cards. I did him as a celebrity family tree for the former Practical Family History magazine in 2006 and discovered that all his gt-gt-grandparents came from one very small area within a circle no more than about 15 miles in diameter, centred on Sherburn in Elmet and taking in Tadcaster, Pontefract and Selby. -----Original Message----- 1. From: Kim Groothuis <kimsfamilyhistory@yahoo.co.uk> > Thanks for starting this thread, Roy, lots of food for thought. > > I have 15 out of 16 great-great-grandparents born and lived in > Yorkshire. They converged in Dewsbury, although on my paternal > grandmother's side they originated in the Selby area and on > my maternal great-grandfather's side they came from Dalton and > Kirkheaton, now part of Huddersfield.>

Morning All. I have been trying for many years to track down the birth/baptism of Ann  KNIGHT born 1802 (give/take 5 years). She had several children to Thomas BEARPARK of Ainderby Steeple in many places as it would seem that they moved around.  I've been unable to find a marriage. In the 1851 census the family are in Darlington and Thomas is a "Temperance Victualar".  The enumerator has put North Driffield as Ann's place of birth. He has also noted Leyburn as a place of birth for their first born (born 1828) as being the one  in Kent but it's the Yorkshire one so could he be wrong.....?? (I have the birth certificate for my Charles BEARPARK who had the deceny to be born on 2 Sep 1837.....just scraped into registration.  No clues on it naturally). In 1841 she has said Yes to being born in Yorkshire. In 1861 it's Driffield. 1871 it's not clear but could be either Driffield or Duffield  and 1881 it looks like North Duffield.  She died in 1887 whilst living with her son in Skelton by Guisborough. North Duffield church records either don't exist or aren't filmed. It's possible they went to a larger village but which one? So far in my quest to pin this down I haven't been able to find a marriage for the couple.  There are a few possible baptism on the IGI for Ann KNIGHT but nothing in either area. I've checked the Ancestry public trees for clues and while she is mentioned - no parents have been given as yet.  I aren't fan of those trees as too much uncorroborated work appears but they can sometimes give a clue which can be followed up. Just in the past few days it occurred to me that being a Termperance Victualer might indicate them being Methodist or Quaker. Searching Google I find a photo of the Methodist chapel in North Duffield and a web site so will send an email to see if anyone can help.  No mention of Methodist records fro North Duffield on LDS catalogue though. It's feasible they are still at the church.  Having quite a few Methodist connections in my family I've always found it nigh on impossible to find those records.  Indeed I can't even locate my own Methodist baptism record which niggles at me from time to time. Of course I didn't ask the right question when Mum and Dad were still alive and although I have two elderly aunts still alive both say the same thing.....we don't know.."it wasn't a big thing back then". So oh knowledgeable ones......what am I missing??.....any suggestions as to where to go from here gratefully accepted bearing in mind I'm half a world away in Australia. I am hoping someone a bit removed will see something I've missed. Many tia's Trish Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW.