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    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] Stainland
    2. Nivard Ovington
    3. Hi Claire I am assuming you mean you can't find her origins? Ancestry have the PRs for St Andrews Stainland but sadly no Elizabeth GILL around 1811 There is certainly a GILL presence in Stainland at the time > West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812 > about Bethsheba Gill Name: Bethsheba Gill Baptism Date: 29 Feb > 1804 Parish: Stainland, St Andrew Father's Name: John Gill Mother's > name: Gill > > West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812 > about Thomas Gill Name: Thomas Gill Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1808 > Parish: Stainland, St Andrew Father's Name: John Gill Mother's > name: Gill > > West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812 > about Bethsheba Gill Name: Bethsheba Gill Baptism Date: 11 Nov > 1810 Parish: Stainland, St Andrew Father's Name: John Gill Mother's > name: Gill > > > West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812 > about Mary Gill Name: Mary Gill Baptism Date: 1 Dec 1811 Parish: > Stainland, St Andrew Father's Name: John Gill Mother's name: Gill > > > West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about John > Gill Name: John Gill Parish: Stainland, St Andrew Baptism Date: 25 > Apr 1814 Father's Name: John Gill Mother's name: Gill > > > West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Sarah > Gill Name: Sarah Gill Parish: Stainland, St Andrew Baptism Date: > 11 Jun 1816 Father's Name: John Gill Mother's name: Gill > > > UK, Land Tax Redemption, 1798 about John Gill Proprietor: Executors > of John Denton Tenant: John Gill (Cottage) Residence: Stainland, > Yorkshire (West Riding), England Year: 1798 Volume: 2 > Could your Elizabeth/Betty be either the Bethsheba or the Mary perhaps ? Elizabeth was a spinster on her marriage so in theory at least she was born a GILL Although she could have been adopted There were seven other Elizabeths baptised at Stainland St Andrews circa 1811 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/06/2012 21:00, Claire 1 wrote: > > I have been desperately looking for my Elizabeth GILL for many years. > Elizabeth married Thomas ROBINSON and became my Gx3 Grandmother in > Stockport, Cheshire on 28 Jun 1836. Elizabeth and Thomas then went > to live in Dukinfield/Ashton Under Lyne and had 2 children, Henry and > Jane. Elizabeth is given as "Betty" on the 1851 and states her > birthplace as "Stainland" and her age as 40 (1811) but I've never > been able to find anything else...can anyone else please? Many thanks > ~ Claire ....

    06/15/2012 07:57:59
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] A most inteeresting and helpful map site
    2. Martin Briscoe
    3. North Yorkshire of course have an excellent mapping site, particularly the historic maps. http://www.northyorks.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=6357 Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Taylor Sent: 15 June 2012 03:09 To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Cc: ENG-YKS-HULL-L-request@rootsweb.com; ENG-LINCSGEN@rootsweb.com; ESSEX-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] A most inteeresting and helpful map site The Toronto Family History Soc. publish a weekly bulletin of most interesting and helpful hints and small articles. This one I though might be of interest to you all. ( Especially newbies who live far away from the UK and who may be not too familiar with the areas)

    06/15/2012 01:55:34
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] A most inteeresting and helpful map site
    2. Andy Micklethwaite
    3. Also useful is: > The University of Portsmouth, the Great Britain Historical GIS team and >> Klokan Technologies are pleased to announce the launch of a new web site, >> Old Maps Online: >> >> http://www.oldmapsonline.org >> >> It does not itself contain any old maps, but rather the catalogues of, >> currently, five map collections: >> >> A Vision of Britain through Time >> British Library >> David Rumsey Collection >> Moravian Library >> National Library of Scotland >> The last (NLS) has the 1" or 1:63360 series for Scotand England and Wales from about 1950. HTH Andy. At 03:08 15/06/2012, Margaret Taylor wrote: >Were You Aware . > >Parish Maps for England > >Alan Billing writes: "Bulletin readers may be interested in the useful maps >of English parishes at http://maps.familysearch.org/ , based upon parishes >of 1851 (and so including some "new" Victorian parishes split off from an >ancient parish).

    06/15/2012 01:38:24
    1. [YORKSGEN] A most inteeresting and helpful map site
    2. Margaret Taylor
    3. The Toronto Family History Soc. publish a weekly bulletin of most interesting and helpful hints and small articles. This one I though might be of interest to you all. ( Especially newbies who live far away from the UK and who may be not too familiar with the areas) Were You Aware . Parish Maps for England Alan Billing writes: "Bulletin readers may be interested in the useful maps of English parishes at http://maps.familysearch.org/ , based upon parishes of 1851 (and so including some "new" Victorian parishes split off from an ancient parish). The viewer is first shown a county map of England. There is a search window in which to enter a name (e.g. Southgate); it then lets you choose from a list of possible choices (unless it is unique). In this case, there are three entries, and the one I want is Southgate, Middlesex. It then displays a plan view of the parish of Southgate, and additional parishes, overlaying a Google map or satellite image if desired. A panel lets you look at "Info" (basic parish information such as date range of parish records), "Jurisdictions" (the relevant jurisdictions within which it falls including county, civil registration district, probate court, diocese, poor law union) and "Options" (see below). Using the map overlay, it is quite easy to determine if an existing road is within Southgate, or an adjacent parish (all named); and where an address is relative to the adjacent parish churches (if you have their addresses). "Options" can give you a list of selectable adjacent parishes, and also will list the name and distance to all adjacent parishes within a specified radius. The latter is very handy when seeking a possible out-of-parish marriage since most such are within about 10 miles of the home parish. It is possible to print at least some of the information and maps, though I've not explored that much yet." Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont)

    06/14/2012 04:08:38
    1. [YORKSGEN] Stainland
    2. Claire 1
    3. I have been desperately looking for my Elizabeth GILL for many years. Elizabeth married Thomas ROBINSON and became my Gx3 Grandmother in Stockport, Cheshire on 28 Jun 1836. Elizabeth and Thomas then went to live in Dukinfield/Ashton Under Lyne and had 2 children, Henry and Jane. Elizabeth is given as "Betty" on the 1851 and states her birthplace as "Stainland" and her age as 40 (1811) but I've never been able to find anything else...can anyone else please? Many thanks ~ Claire

    06/14/2012 02:00:50
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] BLYTH/BEADLE & CROSBY
    2. CHRISTINE WILLOTT
    3. Hi I was wondering the same thing. If he was a seaman, could he have been a fisherman? The National archives have just produced info on finding merchant seamen http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/merchantseamanbefore1857.htm HTH Chris From: Jane Woodall <jane.woodall@virgin.net> To: Margaret Taylor <magmom@ruralwave.ca>; YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 19:09 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] BLYTH/BEADLE & CROSBY Hi Margaret Caistor registration district at one time covered the port of Grimsby - on the opposite bank of the River Humber to Hull so it's possible the family had relocated to that side of the river and therefore moved from Yorkshire to Lincolnshire. My ancestors did that, they were canal barge people in lovely York - then moved to Hull and then across the river on which they ran coal barges - thus forcing me to grow up in Grimsby for which I have yet to forgive them. :-) Grimsby is nearer the mouth of the River Humber estuary and in the 1850s/1860s they discovered the Dogger Bank fishing grounds which was easier to sail to and from from Grimsby. The Barking fishing fleet moved up from Essex (more ancestors of mine came with that) and in 1864 they built a direct rail line to London so fish could be sent rapidly to market. Have you checked online newspapers to see if there is anything? If not, I will have a look for you over the weekend best wishes Jane Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anywhere, any time -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Taylor Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:37 PM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] BLYTH/BEADLE & CROSBY Further to an earlier enquiry re the Thomas BLYTH/ Elizabeth BEADLE family I have now come across a likely marriage of one of the children: Mary bp 1786 Whitby appears to have married in 1804 in Hull to a Robert CROSBY ( Seaman/Merchant mariner). Family Search notes an Ann CROSBY bp 1825 Hull and a Thomas Beadle CROSBY bp Hull 1827 to a Robert & Mary CROSBY. The dates of both of these children makes it possible that in fact they were children of a different Robert & Mary, but it is still possible these were children of the above couple. In 1841 I have located Mary 53  & Robert CROSBY 67 ( and an Ann age 16- no relationship of course) all bn Yks in living in Hull In 1851 Mary is 66 bn Whitby and Robert is 77 bn Brough, no Ann in household ( Perhaps deceased or married?) Living in Hull In 1861 Robert is widowed and age 89 noted  bn Hull ( Mary seems to have died in 1858) I can only find 1 Robert CROSBY death before 1871- Caistor Lincs age 97 Dec qtr 1868. The age fits but what the 'eck is he doing dying in Lincolnshire I wonder!!?? Could be a different fella altogether I suppose. I haven't found anything on the son? Thomas Beadle CROSBY though.Any suggestions? Anyone have any connection to this CROSBY family?? Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont) ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/14/2012 01:47:24
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] BLYTH/BEADLE & CROSBY
    2. Jane Woodall
    3. Hi Margaret Caistor registration district at one time covered the port of Grimsby - on the opposite bank of the River Humber to Hull so it's possible the family had relocated to that side of the river and therefore moved from Yorkshire to Lincolnshire. My ancestors did that, they were canal barge people in lovely York - then moved to Hull and then across the river on which they ran coal barges - thus forcing me to grow up in Grimsby for which I have yet to forgive them. :-) Grimsby is nearer the mouth of the River Humber estuary and in the 1850s/1860s they discovered the Dogger Bank fishing grounds which was easier to sail to and from from Grimsby. The Barking fishing fleet moved up from Essex (more ancestors of mine came with that) and in 1864 they built a direct rail line to London so fish could be sent rapidly to market. Have you checked online newspapers to see if there is anything? If not, I will have a look for you over the weekend best wishes Jane Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anywhere, any time -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Taylor Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:37 PM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] BLYTH/BEADLE & CROSBY Further to an earlier enquiry re the Thomas BLYTH/ Elizabeth BEADLE family I have now come across a likely marriage of one of the children: Mary bp 1786 Whitby appears to have married in 1804 in Hull to a Robert CROSBY ( Seaman/Merchant mariner). Family Search notes an Ann CROSBY bp 1825 Hull and a Thomas Beadle CROSBY bp Hull 1827 to a Robert & Mary CROSBY. The dates of both of these children makes it possible that in fact they were children of a different Robert & Mary, but it is still possible these were children of the above couple. In 1841 I have located Mary 53 & Robert CROSBY 67 ( and an Ann age 16- no relationship of course) all bn Yks in living in Hull In 1851 Mary is 66 bn Whitby and Robert is 77 bn Brough, no Ann in household ( Perhaps deceased or married?) Living in Hull In 1861 Robert is widowed and age 89 noted bn Hull ( Mary seems to have died in 1858) I can only find 1 Robert CROSBY death before 1871- Caistor Lincs age 97 Dec qtr 1868. The age fits but what the 'eck is he doing dying in Lincolnshire I wonder!!?? Could be a different fella altogether I suppose. I haven't found anything on the son? Thomas Beadle CROSBY though.Any suggestions? Anyone have any connection to this CROSBY family?? Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont) ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/14/2012 01:09:46
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] BLYTH/BEADLE & CROSBY
    2. Margaret Taylor
    3. Thanks Chris I will check it out.Might give me a bit more info. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT To: Jane Woodall ; Margaret Taylor ; YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] BLYTH/BEADLE & CROSBY Hi I was wondering the same thing. If he was a seaman, could he have been a fisherman? The National archives have just produced info on finding merchant seamen http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/merchantseamanbefore1857.htm HTH Chris

    06/14/2012 12:54:00
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] BLYTH/BEADLE & CROSBY
    2. Margaret Taylor
    3. Thanks Jane that is certainly a possibility but at the advanced age of 89 in 1851 it would seem unlikely that he would still be fishing or seafaring wouldn't you agree? Many of my PROCTOR, CARROTT branches have strayed north from Lincs & Essex to either Grimsby or Hull. Robert may have had Lincs connections in his family and gone a'visiting I suppose. Then again it might not be "my" chap at all. I don't feel like sending for a Death cert to verify since he is not a direct ancestor. Thanks for the imput Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Woodall" <jane.woodall@virgin.net> To: "Margaret Taylor" <magmom@ruralwave.ca>; <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] BLYTH/BEADLE & CROSBY > Hi Margaret > > Caistor registration district at one time covered the port of Grimsby - on > the opposite bank of the River Humber to Hull so it's possible the family > had relocated to that side of the river and therefore moved from Yorkshire > to Lincolnshire. My ancestors did that, they were canal barge people in > lovely York - then moved to Hull and then across the river on which they > ran coal barges - thus forcing me to grow up in Grimsby for which I have > yet to forgive them. :-) > > Grimsby is nearer the mouth of the River Humber estuary and in the > 1850s/1860s they discovered the Dogger Bank fishing grounds which was > easier to sail to and from from Grimsby. The Barking fishing fleet moved > up from Essex (more ancestors of mine came with that) and in 1864 they > built a direct rail line to London so fish could be sent rapidly to > market. > > Have you checked online newspapers to see if there is anything? If not, I > will have a look for you over the weekend > > best wishes > > Jane > Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anywhere, any time

    06/14/2012 12:53:04
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] Stainland
    2. Jeanne S
    3. I have sent her copies of 1861-71-81-91 and 1909 censuses offline. FYI List.Jeanne > From: brer25@hotmail.com > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:00:50 +0000 > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Stainland > > > I have been desperately looking for my Elizabeth GILL for many years. Elizabeth married Thomas ROBINSON and became my Gx3 Grandmother in Stockport, Cheshire on 28 Jun 1836. Elizabeth and Thomas then went to live in Dukinfield/Ashton Under Lyne and had 2 children, Henry and Jane. Elizabeth is given as "Betty" on the 1851 and states her birthplace as "Stainland" and her age as 40 (1811) but I've never been able to find anything else...can anyone else please? Many thanks ~ Claire

    06/14/2012 09:13:35
    1. [YORKSGEN] BLYTH/BEADLE & CROSBY
    2. Margaret Taylor
    3. Further to an earlier enquiry re the Thomas BLYTH/ Elizabeth BEADLE family I have now come across a likely marriage of one of the children: Mary bp 1786 Whitby appears to have married in 1804 in Hull to a Robert CROSBY ( Seaman/Merchant mariner). Family Search notes an Ann CROSBY bp 1825 Hull and a Thomas Beadle CROSBY bp Hull 1827 to a Robert & Mary CROSBY. The dates of both of these children makes it possible that in fact they were children of a different Robert & Mary, but it is still possible these were children of the above couple. In 1841 I have located Mary 53 & Robert CROSBY 67 ( and an Ann age 16- no relationship of course) all bn Yks in living in Hull In 1851 Mary is 66 bn Whitby and Robert is 77 bn Brough, no Ann in household ( Perhaps deceased or married?) Living in Hull In 1861 Robert is widowed and age 89 noted bn Hull ( Mary seems to have died in 1858) I can only find 1 Robert CROSBY death before 1871- Caistor Lincs age 97 Dec qtr 1868. The age fits but what the 'eck is he doing dying in Lincolnshire I wonder!!?? Could be a different fella altogether I suppose. I haven't found anything on the son? Thomas Beadle CROSBY though.Any suggestions? Anyone have any connection to this CROSBY family?? Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont)

    06/14/2012 07:37:00
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] Elizabeth Womack Birthplace - 1851 Roystone Census
    2. Jane Woodall
    3. I think it's Gainsboro. Gainsborough to give it its full name http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Gainsborough/ best wishes Jane Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anywhere, anytime -----Original Message----- From: Jeanne S Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:55 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Elizabeth Womack Birthplace - 1851 Roystone Census On the 1851 Yorkshire census for Roystone, District 3a, Pg. 25, Householder #110, is Elizabeth WOMACK, a 75-year-old widow ‘receiving relief’ who says she was born in Lincolnshire....but I can not clearly read what town in Lincolnshire. I’ve consulted Genuki, but that doesn’t seem to help, nor has Googling helped so far. Can anyone transcribe the correct spelling of her place of birth, please. Thank you. Jeanne ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/13/2012 01:10:42
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] Elizabeth Womack Birthplace - 1851 Roystone Census
    2. Lin
    3. Jeanne Looks like Gainsbro (abbreviation for Gainsborough) to me. Lin On 13/06/2012 18:55, Jeanne S wrote: > On the 1851 Yorkshire census for Roystone, > District 3a, Pg. 25, Householder #110, is Elizabeth WOMACK, a 75-year-old widow > ‘receiving relief’ who says she was born in Lincolnshire....but I can not > clearly read what town in Lincolnshire. I’ve consulted Genuki, but that > doesn’t seem to help, nor has Googling helped so far. > > Can anyone transcribe the correct spelling of > her place of birth, please. > > Thank you. > > Jeanne > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

    06/13/2012 01:10:15
    1. [YORKSGEN] Elizabeth Womack Birthplace - 1851 Roystone Census
    2. Jeanne S
    3. On the 1851 Yorkshire census for Roystone, District 3a, Pg. 25, Householder #110, is Elizabeth WOMACK, a 75-year-old widow ‘receiving relief’ who says she was born in Lincolnshire....but I can not clearly read what town in Lincolnshire. I’ve consulted Genuki, but that doesn’t seem to help, nor has Googling helped so far. Can anyone transcribe the correct spelling of her place of birth, please. Thank you. Jeanne

    06/13/2012 05:55:38
    1. [YORKSGEN] North Yorks County Record Office
    2. Judith Varley
    3. Hi List, I'm at above on Thurs if you would like a quick lookup let me know, But you must give me the year and the Church you would like me to check, Please get in touch off list Judith

    06/12/2012 01:58:09
    1. [YORKSGEN] FW: I've lost an ancestor in the online censuses! How can I find him/her by Roy Stockdill
    2. Pam Smith
    3. From: Pam Smith [mailto:pam@pamsmithfamilyhistorian.co.uk] Sent: 11 June 2012 10:23 To: 'yorksgen@rootsweb.com' Subject: I've lost an ancestor in the online censuses! How can I find him/her by Roy Stockdill Thanks to Roy Stockdill for sharing comprehensive advice for newcomers and old hands alike for how to help find missing ancestors in the censuses. Nice one! Pam Smith Family History Tutor and Researcher Associate Member of AGRA Harrogate and District Family History Society Guild of One Name Studies 4961 Researching Allbrook Follow me on Twitter @genejean

    06/11/2012 06:46:54
    1. [YORKSGEN] FW: Twitter
    2. Pam Smith
    3. From: Pam Smith [mailto:pam@pamsmithfamilyhistorian.co.uk] Sent: 11 June 2012 10:04 To: 'yorksgen@rootsweb.com' Subject: FW: Twitter From: Pam Smith [mailto:pam@pamsmithfamilyhistorian.co.uk] Sent: 10 June 2012 14:39 To: 'yorksgen@rootsweb.com' Subject: Twitter Superb to see @Yorksgen on Twitter and I see you are attracting followers quickly. I've been using Twitter for a year now and find it an invaluable part of my research work. The interaction and information sharing between family historians in UK and internationally, TNA, SoG, local archives, family history societies, specialist archives, AGRA, IHGS, Borthwick, GoONS and many more is phenomenal. There is representation from most genealogy and family history organisations. Especially good to see FHS's coming on board. Yorkshire is becoming increasingly well represented. The only negative is that it is so interesting that I have to ration myself. Family history is addictive enough! Pam Smith Family History Tutor and Researcher Associate Member of AGRA Harrogate and District Family History Society Guild of One Name Studies 4961 Researching Allbrook Follow me on Twitter @genejean

    06/11/2012 06:46:13
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] Broughton Hall, Skipton, private RC chapel of the Tempests
    2. My thanks to all who responded to my request for information about the private Roman Catholic chapel on the Tempest estate at Broughton Hall - most interesting, as I didn't know until now that I had any Catholic ancestors, albeit Sylvester Bracewell and Nanny Parker being only collateral ones. Of course, I must point out (before somebody else does) that everyone was Catholic before 1533 when Henry VIII split with Rome but I haven't yet found anyone that far back. I am convinced that Sylvester and Nanny (or Nancy) must have been the same couple who married at Kirkby Malham in 1777 and then christened three boys at Broughton between 1792 and 1798 because in each entry the mother is shown on the IGI as "Annae" (Latin) Parker. I wonder why they waited so long to have children or perhaps they had others elsewhere earlier, but if so they are not on the IGI. However, I have now investigated further and found something even more interesting! If you enter the batch number M140001 into FamilySearch you will come up with no fewer than 46 marriages at the Broughton Hall Catholic chapel between 1757 and 1835 - only one of them a Tempest, so I would assume all the others were estate workers. This, of course, was during the lengthy period when all marriages apart from Jews and Quakers had to take place in the Church of England under Hardwicke's Marriage Act. Clearly, the marriages in a Catholic church or chapel would not have been valid in law, so in most cases there was probably another marriage in an Anglican church, often on the same day. A couple of examples..... HENRY BRACEWELL married ELISABETH PRESTON at Carlton in Craven, near Skipton, on 18 February 1765 (M106122) and on the same day the Broughton Hall chapel records a marriage ceremony for HENRICUM BRACEWELL and ELIZABETHAE PRESTON. I have not yet established whether Henry was one of my Bracewells but it's possible. ELISABETH TEMPEST (presumably one of the Tempest daughters) married JOHN TRAFFORD at Broughton near Skipton on 23 Sept 1773 (M106102) and on the same day ELIZAB. TEMPEST married JOAN. TRATFORD (presumable the groom was Latinised as Johan) at Broughton Hall chapel. It must have been an interesting experience in those days getting married if you were Roman Catholic and the happy couple and their guests had to dash between two churches! I wonder if they walked or used fast coaches? I confess that Catholicism is one of the areas in which my usual knowledge and expertise is somewhat lacking. Would anyone care to comment on whether the Tempest family's estate workers would have been forced to follow their lord and master's religion? Wasn't it slightly dangerous, even in that time, to be a Catholic Recusant? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

    06/11/2012 05:50:37
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] Yorksgen v Twitter
    2. Annette Watson
    3. Hi everyone, I don't tweet either and don't intend to start - have enough passwords etc and not enough time to tweet, much prefer to use the Lists - happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia

    06/11/2012 03:19:09
    1. Re: [YORKSGEN] Broughton Hall, Skipton, private RC chapel of the Tempests
    2. trisha walker
    3. Maybe that is a question for the archivist  Trisha  ________________________________ From: "roy.stockdill@btinternet.com" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: "yORKSGEN@rootsweb.com" <yORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2012, 23:11 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Broughton Hall, Skipton, private RC chapel of the Tempests From:    trisha walker <jackgeorgeisaac@yahoo.com> > > Skipton parish comes under the Diocese of Leeds and they have an > archives office in Leeds: > > Hinsley Hall, > 62 Headingley Lane, > LEEDS, LS6 2BX > > Tel: 0113 261 8022 > Fax: 0113 261 8035 > > Their website: > > http://www.dioceseofleeds.org.uk/d_parishes/searchparish.php?keyword > s=skipto > n&Submit2.x=11&Submit2.y=9&Submit2=Search > > > shows two churches in Skipton so I guess you have a choice of to > either contact the church or the archives to find out more information > > Trisha Thank you, Trisha, and the Google reference seems to indicate that the Broughton Hall chapel does still exist. However, I think it extremely unlikely that they still have registers from the 1790s which according to the NIPR are at Kew. I am simply curious as to why any of my ancestors, albeit colateral ones, had their children baptised as Catholics when there is no evidence whatsoever that any of my family were ever Catholics (before 1533, that is, when everybody were Catholics). -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/10/2012 10:23:16