Afternoon all I can vouch for Trish's friendliness and helpfulness. Having helped each other out with our research through e-mails over many years, when Trish and her friend came over to England from Oz, we were able to meet up and had a lovely lunch and chat. Lin On 21/06/2012 23:45, Trish Michael wrote: > Morning All. well I guess I was "the unfriendly one"...been called some things in my time but never unfriendly....blunt yes - unfriendly never. Hopefully some people on the list can vouch for my friendliness. I am only too happy to help people wherever I can but need the correct, and preferably documented, info. > > We are all busy and I was about to dash off to the local family history centre to do a days duty down there helping others but managed to find the time to type the email and check it before I hit send. > > Saying no more on the subject for fear of being misconstrued. > > ttfn > Trish > --- On Thu, 21/6/12, SBS Engineers Research <research@sbse.net.au> wrote: > > From: SBS Engineers Research <research@sbse.net.au> > Subject: RE: [YORKSGEN] BRIGGS One Name Study > To: "Trish Michael" <gosford17@yahoo.com.au>, YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com > Received: Thursday, 21 June, 2012, 6:24 PM > > I think it's quite clear Trish that it was a typo... I am now looking in York. I didn't; realize this had such unfriendly people on it. > > Should have read ....... I have spent years looking for him in Kent to no avail. So now I'm looking in YORK. I have posted this message to the YORK email list - no answers or advice thus far......end. A short kind email to me would have sorted out that I was in a rush and made a typo. > > We can all make mistakes when busy and trying to get an email off Have a nice day. > > Ann in Perth WA. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trish Michael > Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 6:00 AM > To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] BRIGGS One Name Study > > Morning All. Ann said:- > > ""I have spent years looking for him in Kent to no avail. So now I'm looking in Kent."" > > Don't follow that statement at all!!!.....and exactly what do this have to do with Yorkshire?? Nothing has been mentioned about good Old Yorkshire yet. > > I've never had a certificate that stated mother and father....as in Maria's case...mores the pity. Life could be much easier with that info. > > My two bobs worth. > ttfn > Trish > ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: SBS Engineers Research > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:44 AM > To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] BRIGGS One Name Study > > Good morning/night list > > My GG Grandfather Thomas Briggs was a blacksmith. He married Maria Richards 22yrs old (born Devon) 08 May 1854 in Sheerness, Kent. Three months later he suddenly died on 09 August 1854 aged 24yrs. Cause of death Purpura/Haemorrhage. > The marriage certificate lists both of Maria's parents but only Thomas's father...also named Thomas (a gardener). Mother may have been deceased and not having her name makes it hard to find Thomas (Jnr) birth records etc. I have spent years looking for him in Kent to no avail. So now I'm looking in Kent. I have posted this message to the Kent email list - no answers or advice thus far. > > Every time I find a Thomas Briggs born about 1830 - he is still alive in the 1861 census - therefore NOT mine. > > Regards > Ann Spiro > baskett@one-name.org > briggs@one-name.org > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett > Blacksmiths & Related Occupations http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com > > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I suppose things have changed but her father being dead I was a witness to my daughter's wedding Both her father in law and I are family historians and without any previous conversation we both wrote our full names in the register rather than putting our signatures as both of us thought it would make it easier for future generations to search the records Chris ________________________________ From: SBS Engineers Research <research@sbse.net.au> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012, 8:12 Subject: [YORKSGEN] BRIGGS Thomas Hi Lin et al, Thanks for the time you spent looking at census etc.,  Maria's mother (be it her signature or not) definitely was Maria Richards nee Frost.  I have the marriage of Maria frost and Thomas Richards. Plus the birth dates etc. for Maria Richard's and her siblings.  Maria (nee Richards)BRIGGS worked for Dr. Edward Swales and his wife Margaret.  Her son Thomas Francis Richards Briggs stayed sometimes with her at the Doctor's house and the rest of the time with Maria's parents. Maria didn't marry again until 1885, when she married Dr. Edward Swales. I have been to the house they lived in at 3 Trinity Rd, Sheerness. The answers may be with descendants of the RICHARDS family but sadly I've not been able to contact any 'cousins'. Regards, Ann (on a beautiful Autumn day in Perth). -----Original Message----- Having found the marriage and death certificates on line, from one of Ann's previous posts, only Thomas Briggs (gardener)  and Thomas Richards (blacksmith) are listed as fathers (in the last column where they should be). Witnesses are Thos Richards, Maria Richards and Thos Briggs. ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Lin, I had googled before I sent my message but didn't come up with that info. I must be going blind. Thank you very much. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Lin A quick Google came up with: Members generally fall into two categories: freemen and liverymen. One may become a freeman, or acquire the "freedom of the company", upon fulfilling the company's criteria: traditionally, one may be admitted by "patrimony", if either parent was a liveryman of the company; by "servitude", if one has served the requisite number of years as an apprentice of the company; or by "redemption", if one pays a fee. (The Company may also vote to admit individuals as honorary freemen.) Freemen generally advance to becoming liverymen by a vote of the court of the Company. Only liverymen can take part in the election of the Lord Mayor, the Sheriffs, and the other traditional officers of the City. Lin On 22/06/2012 17:40, Margaret Cambridge wrote: Hi all, I have a distant relative, John Walter STEAD, born 1858, Wakefield, (2nd cousin twice removed) who in 1917 was admitted to the Freedom of the City of London by Redemption in the Company of Feltmakers. Would 'Redemption' mean that his membership would be reviewed periodically? John was a solicitor, .....J. W. Stead & Jobbings in Leeds. Thank you for any thoughts.............. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Roy.   Someone from the list has offered to do the research for me.   Adrian. ________________________________ From: ADRIAN GARDNER1 <adriangardner1@btinternet.com> To: "roy.stockdill@btinternet.com" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> Cc: "Yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <Yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 14:13 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Jane HEPWORH formerly GARBUTT nee PENNINGTON. Roy.   Thank you very much for your helpful email.   Yes I have checked all the online resources and I've no idea as to the religion the Pennington family followed but when as Jane Garbutt she married G-G Grandpa Joseph Hepworth in 1840 it was in Howden parish church.Having taken a second look at the certificate I now see that her place of residence was Bilton! She did have a daughter Hannah to her first husband who was later married in York but I have been unable to tie down the right certificate from GRO. So I am now stuck with the surnames Garbutt and Pennington, hence my need for some expert help.   Regards.   Adrian.   ________________________________ From: "roy.stockdill@btinternet.com" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: "Yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <Yorksgen@rootsweb.com>; ADRIAN GARDNER1 <adriangardner1@btinternet.com> Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 12:50 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Jane HEPWORH formerly GARBUTT nee PENNINGTON. From:              ADRIAN GARDNER1 <adriangardner1@btinternet.com> > I am finding it impossible to obtain records of my maternal > great-great grandmother who was born in Howden in abt 1801. > > I am thinking of paying a researcher to do this work for me and > wonder if anyone could suggest names for me? > > Thank you. > > Adrian.< Presumably you've checked the IGI at FamilySearch and any other online resources? It would help if you had some idea as to what religion her family followed, since she may not necessarily have been christened in the Church of England, also if you told us what you had done already to save duplication of effort. You might also tell us under what name she was born - I presume it was Pennington. The National Index of Parish Registers for the East Riding (published by the Society of Genealogists) lists under Howden three Anglican churches, a Roman Catholic one and 14 Nonconformist chapels, though many of the latter were not open at the appropriate time. If you e-mail me direct I will tell you where the records are because they are not all in the same place. The original registers of Howden St Peter's parish church are in the East Riding Archives at Beverley with the bishop's transcripts at the Borthwick Institute in York. As a professional researcher, I would have taken it on myself but I live in Hertfordshire a long way from Yorkshire, so am not able to visit record offices up there. If you buy one of the commercial family history magazines you will find that they often carry ads for researchers in Yorkshire. There are other professional researchers on this list who may volunteer their services. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi all, I have a distant relative, John Walter STEAD, born 1858, Wakefield, (2nd cousin twice removed) who in 1917 was admitted to the Freedom of the City of London by Redemption in the Company of Feltmakers. Would 'Redemption' mean that his membership would be reviewed periodically? John was a solicitor, .....J. W. Stead & Jobbings in Leeds. Thank you for any thoughts.............. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Hi Ann That is much as I thought it would be I wondered if you had something rather special there :-) Fact is the witnesses may be the parents and very likely are in your case but without some sort of further information such as a newspaper mention there is generally no way of knowing the relationship to the happy couple Regarding the lack of information on the death certificate, that is quite normal It was not until 1969 that place of birth and date of birth was recorded Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/06/2012 08:02, SBS Engineers Research wrote: > Hi Nivard and all > I hope I haven't mislead you here...the marriage cert for Thomas Briggs > and Maria Richards shows the father's names where it asks for "father's > names" So we have Father: Thomas Briggs - with Gardener in the > rank/profession area. Plus Maria's father Thomas Richards - Blacksmith. > WITNESSES: Maria Richards (Maria's mother nee FROST); Thomas Richards > and Thomas Briggs. So I was very lucky to have Maria's name on there > as it made researching that family so much easier. > > However, on the copy of Thomas Briggs death certificate 09 Aug 1854, at > 122 Charles St, Blue Town; no mention of any family, not even his wife. > The description of informer: Grace Creber 'X' her mark, present at the > death. The Creber's also came from Devon and may have been family > friends. > > I thought it was odd that there is no mention of Thomas's wife or his > birth place. Maybe you can tell me if it was normal for those times, not > to mention these things. > > The BRIGGS surname seems more prevalent in Yorkshire than elsewhere and > as BRIGGS is a very large one name study, I don't think I can do it > alone. I welcome people like Victor to help out. > > Kind regards > > Ann Spiro > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > Hi Ann: You have a fairly unusual document there then, despite seeing > rather a lot of marriage certificates, I have yet to see a marriage > which lists both parents so you have something rather unique there >

Hello Trish,   I can vouch for your friendliness :)   When I came to live in Oz I mentioned visiting my son who lived in your area. You very kindly gave me your address and invited me to meet you for a coffee!   It's just occurred to me that you may have wondered why I never came! My son and his family came to live in W.A. and much as I would like to meet up, a 5 hour flight seems to be a bit ott!   Best wishes, Maureen  ________________________________ From: Trish Michael <gosford17@yahoo.com.au> To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com  Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] BRIGGS One Name Study Morning All.  well I guess I was "the unfriendly one"...been called some things in my time but never unfriendly....blunt yes  - unfriendly never.   Hopefully some people on the list can vouch for my friendliness.  I am only too happy to help people wherever I can but need the correct, and preferably documented, info.  We are all busy and I was about to dash off to the local family history centre to do a days duty down there helping others but managed to find the time to type the email and check it before I hit send. Saying no more on the subject for fear of being misconstrued. ttfn Trish

Having found the marriage and death certificates on line, from one of Ann's previous posts, only Thomas Briggs (gardener) and Thomas Richards (blacksmith) are listed as fathers (in the last column where they should be). Witnesses are Thos Richards, Maria Richards and Thos Briggs. However, there is a squiggle or something before Maria Richards signature (the witness) which could be Maria E Richards or Maria Rhichards. Even Maria the bride's signature looks as though it has a squiggle. I did wonder if the person filling in the certificate has put the wrong father's name (I have one where the father was listed as Robert instead of Richard, but the parish register is correct) however the fact that there is Thos Briggs as a witness seems to discount that theory. Another thought was, does Ann have the right Thomas dying in 1854? Again, the age is consistent as well as occuption. Young master Briggs is with his Richards grandparents in 1861 so that is no help either! However Maria, is a servant, but is given as being married, but is a widow in 1871. I've searched all the census sites I have using, Briggs (and variants), Thomas, Thos, gardener, blacksmith, 1830 +/- 2 for 1841 and 1851 and can't find either of the Thomases. The only one is the one from Bexley but as Ann rightly points out Thomas jnr is still alive in 1861. Lin On 21/06/2012 12:14, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Ann > > You have a fairly unusual document there then, despite seeing rather a > lot of marriage certificates, I have yet to see a marriage which lists > both parents so you have something rather unique there > > I wonder why they recorded both ? > > Has anyone else seen one I wonder? > > For the record I have not seen any reply to you that could be taken as > anything other than helpful, perhaps you just misread the tone which can > be difficult to convey sometimes in email > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > On 21/06/2012 09:47, SBS Engineers Research wrote: >> Nivard and list >> >> Regarding my email where I stated Thomas Briggs marriage certificate >> listed only his father's name (Thomas Briggs - gardener) but both >> parents of his wife Maria Richards. Her parents Thomas and Maria "are" >> both listed on the marriage certificate (I have it here with me). I have >> followed her parents backward s to their marriage in Devon and forwards >> through the birth of all their children, 2 born in Devon and the rest >> born in Kent. >> >> I didn't realize my first email came across looking so mixed up; this >> was the result of being busy and trying to send off an email in a hurry. >> >> >> Have a nice day. >> Ann >> Perth WA > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I can certainly vouch for Trish's friendliness and helpfulness over the past 15 years or so. I agreed with Trish's email regarding the place name mix up, it was confusing to me too. We are NOT unfriendly on this list! Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trish Michael" <gosford17@yahoo.com.au> To: <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] BRIGGS One Name Study Morning All. well I guess I was "the unfriendly one"...been called some things in my time but never unfriendly....blunt yes - unfriendly never. Hopefully some people on the list can vouch for my friendliness. I am only too happy to help people wherever I can but need the correct, and preferably documented, info. We are all busy and I was about to dash off to the local family history centre to do a days duty down there helping others but managed to find the time to type the email and check it before I hit send. Saying no more on the subject for fear of being misconstrued. ttfn Trish --- On Thu, 21/6/12, SBS Engineers Research <research@sbse.net.au> wrote: From: SBS Engineers Research <research@sbse.net.au> Subject: RE: [YORKSGEN] BRIGGS One Name Study To: "Trish Michael" <gosford17@yahoo.com.au>, YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Received: Thursday, 21 June, 2012, 6:24 PM I think it's quite clear Trish that it was a typo... I am now looking in York. I didn't; realize this had such unfriendly people on it. Should have read ....... I have spent years looking for him in Kent to no avail. So now I'm looking in YORK. I have posted this message to the YORK email list - no answers or advice thus far......end. A short kind email to me would have sorted out that I was in a rush and made a typo. We can all make mistakes when busy and trying to get an email off Have a nice day. Ann in Perth WA. -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trish Michael Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 6:00 AM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] BRIGGS One Name Study Morning All. Ann said:- ""I have spent years looking for him in Kent to no avail. So now I'm looking in Kent."" Don't follow that statement at all!!!.....and exactly what do this have to do with Yorkshire?? Nothing has been mentioned about good Old Yorkshire yet. I've never had a certificate that stated mother and father....as in Maria's case...mores the pity. Life could be much easier with that info. My two bobs worth. ttfn Trish ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW -----Original Message----- From: SBS Engineers Research Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:44 AM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] BRIGGS One Name Study Good morning/night list My GG Grandfather Thomas Briggs was a blacksmith. He married Maria Richards 22yrs old (born Devon) 08 May 1854 in Sheerness, Kent. Three months later he suddenly died on 09 August 1854 aged 24yrs. Cause of death Purpura/Haemorrhage. The marriage certificate lists both of Maria's parents but only Thomas's father...also named Thomas (a gardener). Mother may have been deceased and not having her name makes it hard to find Thomas (Jnr) birth records etc. I have spent years looking for him in Kent to no avail. So now I'm looking in Kent. I have posted this message to the Kent email list - no answers or advice thus far. Every time I find a Thomas Briggs born about 1830 - he is still alive in the 1861 census - therefore NOT mine. Regards Ann Spiro baskett@one-name.org briggs@one-name.org http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett Blacksmiths & Related Occupations http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com ..... 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From: "Frank Turner" <frank@cyberscotia.com> > One of my very first posts on Yorksgen 11 years ago elicited one of > those "frosty" replies from Roy. We have had several amical discussions > since that time, I'm happy to say, but I now am in fear and trepidation. Why ? > Because in researching the marriage of an ancient TURNER one WILLIAM b. 16 > July 1789 in Hemsworth, Wakefield , I have unearthed 5 possible partners on > the IGI but as you know, the detail is thin. Could it be that one of them a > SARAH STOCKDALE married him in Wakefield 2 Mar 1807 ? The other 4 > marriages also took place in Wakefield in a similar time frame. > I have 2 questions Roy. > 1) Tell me it isnt true <grin> and we are not related. > 2) How can I sort them out to discover which one if any is the right > one ? I can always venture back to Wakefield records office to find out if > that is the simplest way.> I regret I can see no marriage on the IGI for a William Turner to Sarah Stockdale at Wakefield in 1807, Frank. A search produces only one result for the christening of a Mary Ann Turner, father William Turner, mother Sarah Stockdale, at Doncaster on 8 March 1811, born 25 January 1811. I see four marriages (maybe the other four you mention) for a William Turner at Wakefield between 1809 and 1818. Do you have a batch number for the marriage you think you saw of William Turner to Sarah Stockdale? In any event, it is unlikely I would be able to tell which William Turner it was since it's a pretty common name. Nor are all Stockdales related to one another by any means! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Ann, However there was the death of a Thomas BRIGGS in Kent in September, 1854???? (On BMD.) Maybe I'm confused and all my info. was stupid but I really did try! Nor do I think this is an "unfriendly" list. Everyone has tried to help you with all the time and energy they've got!! All the best, Carolyn in NSW.

Hi Christine The trees you refer to are mine plus some 'cousins'. I have started quite a few trees on ancestry.com which deal with different BRIGGS families (some with a Thomas). I am in touch with their descendants who have had more luck in finding their Briggs ancestor than I have. I have indexed a few hundred Briggs marriages which I'll give to the Guild of One Name Studies for their Guild Marriage Index and likewise for Briggs PROBATES. A few months ago I started a dropbox and all information for BRIGGS goes into it and I share it with all the other BRIGGS surname followers who contact me. Likewise, they place any new info they find in the dropbox and share it. Interestingly, my English cousins didn't know much at all about their ancestors until I sent them what information I had. I had found some old letters amongst my grandfathers belongs that went back to 1933-36. Correspondence from the UK to my grandfather in Sydney, seems to have stopped suddenly about 1936. For many years my mother tried to find our English cousins and having letters returned with 'not here anymore' on them. So approx 10years ago, I went to the Salvation Army missing persons office here in Perth. She gave me a form to fill out listing all known names and old addresses for the UK. Two weeks later, the Salvo's called me and told me they had found my cousins and that I would be hearing from them very soon. It was a wonderful feeling to find them. We have met a few times and keep in touch monthly. We did get to swap some old letters and photographs etc. I found out the reasons for the correspondence drying up between my grandfather and his siblings. It was to do with divorce and bitterness and also his brother who had been a stretcher bearer in the war, and suffered with PTSD and cut himself off form others. All I want is to find the birth records (and mothers name /siblings if any) of my Thomas Briggs. Kind regards Ann Spiro Devon FHS member #15914; Kent FHS member#9397; Isle of Wight FHS member#1551 WAGS Inc Member#1288; Glasgow & West Scotland 7040; GOONS member#5101

Hello Chris, I agree with you (are you a medical doctor?) that the word purpura suggests bruises could be seen. The death certificate says "parpura(haemorrhage)" i.e. spelt pApura but it is known to us as pUrpura. Must say I had thought of all sorts of haemorrhages but didn't think of a ruptured spleen. He was a blacksmith working at HM Dockyards, Blue Town. The information on the internet sites can be confusing (baffles me with science:)). Kind regards Ann

One of my very first posts on Yorksgen 11 years ago elicited one of those "frosty" replies from Roy. We have had several amical discussions since that time, I'm happy to say, but I now am in fear and trepidation. Why ? Because in researching the marriage of an ancient TURNER one WILLIAM b. 16 July 1789 in Hemsworth, Wakefield , I have unearthed 5 possible partners on the IGI but as you know, the detail is thin. Could it be that one of them a SARAH STOCKDALE married him in Wakefield 2 Mar 1807 ? The other 4 marriages also took place in Wakefield in a similar time frame. I have 2 questions Roy. 1) Tell me it isnt true <grin> and we are not related. 2) How can I sort them out to discover which one if any is the right one ? I can always venture back to Wakefield records office to find out if that is the simplest way. Cheers (maybe?? cousin). Frank from a wet and miserable Bonnie Scotland

Hi Carolyn, Darryn and others There was only one email that sounded/looked bit puffed up, everyone else has been very kind and helpful. Yes I know about that Thomas BRIGGS married Phyllis BAGSHAW 22nd June, 1817, Northfleet, Kent, England.. Not mine, but thank you so much for the time spent and if I can do anything in return (from Perth),let me know. Kind regards Ann in Perth WA

Hello Jane and list I have Thomas's burial notice for 09 Aug 1854, but do not know where he was buried. The Bexley Thomas Briggs is not mine as he (the Bexley Thomas) is still alive in 1861. I am in touch with several BRIGGS family followers - we have crossed paths over the many many years I have been looking for my Thomas. Aprox 10 years ago I even paid for someone to search all the Kent parish registers - could not find this Thomas Briggs birth records. Hence I am now looking in other Counties. I put this mystery away in the drawer for a while, and every now and then bring it out and start the search all over again. One day, something will pop up and I will find him. Thank you so much to those who have sent emails etc., and for trying to help. Kind regards Ann

Folks I did NOT say Thomas Briggs died of puerperal haemorrhage (I was a midwife myself so I know the difference between puerperal and purpura). I said his 'Cause of death Purpura/Haemorrhage'. This is a haemorrhage usually under the skin and can be caused by several different illnesses or whatever. He may well have been Thrombocytopenic. I will never know. Thomas's death certificate does not say what caused his purpura. He was only 24yrs old and newly married so I am guessing it was a sudden onset illness. If you google for purpura and or purpura causing sudden death it you will see what comes up. When I posted my messages to the KENT list, stating Thomas died in 1854. It seems people did not read this (1854) and kept sending me copies of census forms for 1861 and telling me 'this is your man here in Bexley 1861'. They didn't; seem to click that this could not be my Thomas as he died in 1854. Simple! (but they were friendly listers and just trying to help). I'll keep plodding on. This Thomas Briggs is the only real stumbling block I've had in my research, so I guess I'm lucky. Kind regards Ann in Perth,WA www.tribalpages.com/tribes/briggs

Nivard and list Regarding my email where I stated Thomas Briggs marriage certificate listed only his father's name (Thomas Briggs - gardener) but both parents of his wife Maria Richards. Her parents Thomas and Maria "are" both listed on the marriage certificate (I have it here with me). I have followed her parents backward s to their marriage in Devon and forwards through the birth of all their children, 2 born in Devon and the rest born in Kent. I didn't realize my first email came across looking so mixed up; this was the result of being busy and trying to send off an email in a hurry. Have a nice day. Ann Perth WA -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012 7:41 PM To: yORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 289 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > I suspect Ann meant *she* if she is looking for Thomas in 1861 > > How there came to be both parents on a marriage certificate would be > interesting to know though > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)> I have seen an equally interesting and unusual one! A few years ago I researched the ancestry of the Bradford-born actor Duncan Preston (well known for his roles with Victoria Wood and in Emmerdale) for my series on celebrity family trees in the former Pratical Family History magazine. Two of his grandparents were both illegitimate and their marriage certificate was the only one I've ever seen on which the names of the mothers are shown instead of the fathers (who were of course unknown). Has anyone else seen one like this? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Roy and list, Thanks Roy for your input. Someone else did say that 'maybe' the witness Thos Briggs was not the father of my GG Grandfather Thomas (Jnr). However, Thomas Briggs (gardener) is written in as the parent. I have the certificate here. It may be that I will never solve this riddle. Thanks again for your input. Kind regards Ann Spiro Perth, Western Australia research@sbse.net.au OLD site: The Blacksmiths & Related Occupations Website : http://tinyurl.com/2948r4v  NEW site: The Blacksmiths & Related Occupations Website http://blacksmiths@mygenwebs.com

I think it's quite clear Trish that it was a typo... I am now looking in York. I didn't; realize this had such unfriendly people on it. Should have read ....... I have spent years looking for him in Kent to no avail. So now I'm looking in YORK. I have posted this message to the YORK email list - no answers or advice thus far......end. A short kind email to me would have sorted out that I was in a rush and made a typo. We can all make mistakes when busy and trying to get an email off Have a nice day. Ann in Perth WA. -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trish Michael Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 6:00 AM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] BRIGGS One Name Study Morning All.  Ann said:- ""I have spent years looking for him in Kent to no avail.  So now I'm looking in Kent."" Don't follow that statement at all!!!.....and exactly what do this have to do with Yorkshire??  Nothing has been mentioned about good Old Yorkshire yet. I've never had a certificate that stated mother and father....as in Maria's case...mores the pity.  Life could be much easier with that info. My two bobs worth. ttfn Trish ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW -----Original Message----- From: SBS Engineers Research Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:44 AM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] BRIGGS One Name Study Good morning/night list My GG Grandfather Thomas Briggs was a blacksmith. He married Maria Richards 22yrs old (born Devon) 08 May 1854 in Sheerness, Kent. Three months later he suddenly died on 09 August 1854 aged 24yrs.  Cause of death Purpura/Haemorrhage. The marriage certificate lists both of Maria's parents but only Thomas's father...also named Thomas (a gardener). Mother may have been deceased and not having her name makes it hard to find Thomas (Jnr) birth records etc.  I have spent years looking for him in Kent to no avail.  So now I'm looking in Kent.  I have posted this message to the Kent email list - no answers or advice thus far. Every time I find a Thomas Briggs born about 1830  - he is still alive in the 1861 census - therefore NOT mine. Regards Ann Spiro baskett@one-name.org briggs@one-name.org http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett Blacksmiths & Related Occupations  http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message