Hello Yorkins I'm back on list after an extended absence as I've been busy pursuing other non Yorkshire lines and publishing a couple of eBooks related to t'other'arfs family and also a military history book which has been several years in the making.(No Yorkshire connections there at all!) I've found several of these Rootsweb lists to be really helpful, not just the location ones like Yorksgen, but also ones related to ships and mariners for example, and the information gleaned makes our family stories all the more interesting... what a wonderful resource the internet has proved to be for family historians and much is due to the generosity of listers who willingly provide information, references and encouragement. In some recent research I came across the following newspaper report and thought it could relate to any woman anywhere in the world and gives us an idea of what some of our ancestors may have endured. Hampshire Chronicle, 13 August 1792, Page 3, Home News, Portsmouth The wife of William Martell, an industrious hardworking journeyman shoemaker in St Mary Street, was delivered of a girl on Sunday morning about 10 o'clock, on Tuesday morning at about the same hour of a boy and on Wednesday morning about half an hour before one of another boy. They are all fine lively children and the mother is as well as persons generally are in her situation. Enjoy your Yorksgen gathering ... one day I may get over to one but cattle class on the airlines is somewhat daunting for 24 hours!!! All the best Caroline

I too was born in Hessle but well before any Bridge was thought up While I have driven across many time unlike Sue I have never walked or cycled When I was a young chap I would have been glad of it to bike across

From: "Karl Grave" <karl@virosidum.demon.co.uk> > Hi > The general view yesterday in Mytholmroyd was it might have been the worst > since 1947 (when the church was flooded). Yesterday it swept around > the church and flooded the graveyard but the interior was spared; just > as well as there was a wedding (featured last night on "Look North"). > I'm told the gigantic underground flood tank excavated about 2 years > ago held the situation for some hours but after midnight it was > full... > Karl> Do you actually live in Mytholmroyd, Karl? If so, whereabouts? I gather that the Dusty Miller was flooded but if you know the village you will know that our old pub, the Royal Oak (long ago shut down and now apartments) was slightly raised a bit up Pismire Hill on Burnley Road and therefore somewhat safer. I wonder if the White Lion which I believe is still open and opposite where the Royal Oak was was flooded as well? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Apologies all - I left the word "great" out of my second question below.   Michelle - I am now sending you two emails with images offlist - one for the death and one for the inquest.   Regards, Adi --- On Sun, 6/24/12, Mme_N_Carmichael <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> wrote: Hello Michelle,   Did your great grandparents have two children? Was your grandfather approx. 35 years old when he died? Did they live at Great Field, Ossett. If yes, then there was indeed a train involved in his death. I will send you a newspaper article offlist.   Regards, Adi

Hi The general view yesterday in Mytholmroyd was it might have been the worst since 1947 (when the church was flooded). Yesterday it swept around the church and flooded the graveyard but the interior was spared; just as well as there was a wedding (featured last night on "Look North"). I'm told the gigantic underground flood tank excavated about 2 years ago held the situation for some hours but after midnight it was full... Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <ENG-YORKSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com>; <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:27 AM Subject: [YORKSGEN] Non-gen - floods devastate Calder Valley again > If I may be permitted to make a non-genealogy post for once, I was very > saddened to see on > last night's TV news bulletins the awful scenes of flooded homes and > businesses in the > Calder Valley - yet again. The worst hit places were Todmorden, Hebden > Bridge, > Mytholmroyd and Sowerby Bridge, with scores of homes flooded out and > people's belongings > destroyed. > > I say "yet again" because the River Calder has been notorious for bursting > its banks and > flooding the towns and villages through which it passes for many years. > However, this latest > episode appears to be the worst this century. If you wish to read about > the full devastation, > just enter "Calder Valley floods" into Google and you will find numerous > news stories from the > Halifax Courier, Todmorden Today and other news outlets. To gauge some > idea of how bad > it is, see the photo of Market Street, Hebden Bridge, under water at: > > http://www.todmordennews.co.uk/news/local/community-spirit-shines-through-after-calder-val > ley-flooding-1-4674751 > > Last night's TV scenes brought back memories for me of similar floods some > 60 years ago > back in the early 1950s when my folks had a pub, the former Royal Oak, at > Mytholmroyd. On > that occasion the Calder burst its banks after torrential rain fell and > there was an incident that > made national headlines (long before the days of the Internet) when a > coach party of > holidaymakers on their way to Blackpool got stranded in the middle of > Mytholmroyd when the > driver tried to get through the floods and the coach broke down. They all > had to be rescued > and carried through the flood waters to our pub, which was fortunately > part way up a short hill > and so escaped the worst of it. The coach party ended up drying off in the > pub and being > given food and drink by my parents! > > One thing people who don't know the Calder Valley may not realise is that > a great many > homes alongside the river have cellars and/or basement rooms, so these > inevitably were > completely under water and it will presumably take some time for them to > be pumped out and > made habitable again. From what I saw on the news, many people were angry > that the > authorities and powers-that-be seem to have done little either to warn of > the impending > disaster or to prevent it. Predictably, they made the usual excuses. > > I hope we can forget genealogy just for a moment to sympathise with those > hundreds of > people who have suffered severe damage to their homes and businesses and > loss of > belongings. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Michelle,   Did your great grandparents have two children? Was your grandfather approx. 35 years old when he died? Did they live at Great Field, Ossett. If yes, then there was indeed a train involved in his death. I will send you a newspaper article offlist.   Regards, Adi   --- On Sat, 6/23/12, michelle schnabel <mynett@aapt.net.au> wrote: My Great Grandparents Thomas Shaw and Agnes Mary Shaw (nee Phillips) died within a very short time of each other early  in 1893.  I have always been told that they died in a automobile  or train accident.  I do not think either of these can be true as the first death in an automobile accident was not until late 1893 and the only train accident I can find does not have them listed.  Were death certificates issued at this time and if I requested one would it state reason for death.  Thanks Michelle 

My Great Grandparents Thomas Shaw and Agnes Mary Shaw (nee Phillips) died within a very short time of each other early in 1893. I have always been told that they died in a automobile or train accident. I do not think either of these can be true as the first death in an automobile accident was not until late 1893 and the only train accident I can find does not have them listed. Were death certificates issued at this time and if I requested one would it state reason for death. Thanks Michelle

Hi Michelle, Another possible probate entry for Thomas and one for Agnes sent off list. Neither entry seems quite right for Thomas but Agnes's appears very likely. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Christine Benson Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 12:12 PM To: michelle schnabel ; YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] death certificates Hi Michelle, Probate entry on Ancestry for Thomas sent off list. Christine -----Original Message----- From: michelle schnabel Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:45 AM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] death certificates My Great Grandparents Thomas Shaw and Agnes Mary Shaw (nee Phillips) died within a very short time of each other early in 1893. I have always been told that they died in a automobile or train accident. I do not think either of these can be true as the first death in an automobile accident was not until late 1893 and the only train accident I can find does not have them listed. Were death certificates issued at this time and if I requested one would it state reason for death. Thanks Michelle

Hi Lin, I'm catching up to you........-)) I have been collecting info on the WATERWORTH family, putting it all in a file folder and piecing it together. The 2 boys Joe Wilkinson WATERWORTH & Tom W.W. are children of Joseph and Julia WATERWORTH. When Joseph W. and Julia Booth married Jane WATERWORTH was a witness so it looks like there is the relationship with the 2 boys. Joseph W. born abt 1805 of Westgate was buried, Wakefield, in 1836 at age 31. So I guess that's why the boys were living with John and Jane in 1841. Thomas and Fanny WATERWORTH had children Joseph in 1805 and Jane in 1808 Wakefield so this is very likely the family. Still haven't found the WILKINSON connection but it must be a spouses maiden name somewhere. Joseph Waterworth married Julia BOOTH and I have a feeling her mother was the WILKINSON. Haven't proved it yet..............but the search goes on. Thank you for all your help Lin. You are a whiz!! Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lin" <dml5481@hotmail.com> HI Marg With regard to finding John Walter STEAD on the censuses. it's a case of less is more. I put John, born 1859 plus/minus 2 years, born Wakefield and then looked as possibles (starting with surnames beginning with S). I've found that surnames are more likely to be mistranscribed than forenames. Luckily Wakefield managed to stay uncorrupted. I think you are right with the second marriage to Mary Ann Phillips, Looking at the marriage record his occupation was Agent, and residence was Westgate and that is where he is living in 1851 with two sons Walter Wentworth Stead (9) and William Thomas Stead (7). He's married, no sign of a wife and occupation is Agent Corn Miller. I think Walter's entry is an error and should be Walter Waterworth Stead Walter 's baptism took place on 7 Jan 1842, All Saints, Wakefield, son John and Jane STEAD, Bond Street, Agent, born 7 Jan 1842. He died in 1856, reg Wakefield, Jun Q) William Thomas STEAD baptised 21 March 1844, All Saints, Wakefield son of John and Jane STEAD , Westgate, bookkeeper, born 19th Jan 1844 There is also a daughter, Elizabeth bapt 13 January 1836, All Saints, Wakefield dau John and Jane STEAD, Westgate, bookkeeper, born 16 Dec 1835 Jane STEAD death reg Sep Q 1850 Wakefield burial (Holy Trinity, Wakefield) : Jane wife of John STEAD, Westgate, 31st August 1850, aged 41 years Note that all his marriages were by Licence so they could possibly give you more information. I looked for the baptisms of the two children who are with John and Jane in 1841 and think that they are: Tom Wilkinson WATERWORTH born born 1 Apr 1834, bapt 23 Apr 1834 son of Joseph and Julia WATERWORTH Joseph Wilkinson WATERWORTH bapt 29 Aug 1832 son Joseph and Julia WATERWORTH obviously some connection to Jane WATERWORTH but not her children. poss burial for Joseph WATERWORTH, Westgate, 7th Oct 1836 aged 31, Looks like Julia may have remarried Mar Q Wakefield 1838 I'm assuming you have seen the probate details for John STEAD on 22 January 1869? Lin

Hi Michelle, Probate entry on Ancestry for Thomas sent off list. Christine -----Original Message----- From: michelle schnabel Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:45 AM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] death certificates My Great Grandparents Thomas Shaw and Agnes Mary Shaw (nee Phillips) died within a very short time of each other early in 1893. I have always been told that they died in a automobile or train accident. I do not think either of these can be true as the first death in an automobile accident was not until late 1893 and the only train accident I can find does not have them listed. Were death certificates issued at this time and if I requested one would it state reason for death. Thanks Michelle

From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > From: "Janice Wood" <janwood50@btinternet.com> > > The 17th annual Yorkshire Family History Fair is on next > Saturday, the 30th June at the Racecourse, York. We are really excited > about this, as it promises to be the very biggest and best ever. > Certainly it will be the biggest family history event in the North of > England, with exhibitors from all over the UK, including family history > > societies, antiquarian and modern booksellers, CDs, vintage > > postcards, photo restorers, researchers, family tree printers, > > archive storage specialists and much more. There is something > here for everyone, spread out over 3 floors of the Knavesmire Stand. > > There is free parking, wheelchair access, lifts to all floors > and refreshments served all day in the cafeteria. > > The No.11 bus from York Railway Station stops within a few > minutes walk > > Full details are on the website > > http://www.yorkshirefamilyhistoryfair.com > > If you are there, please stop at the Yorkshire Ancsestors stand > and > > say hello. I will be there with Brenda Green > > (www.yorkshireancestors.com). > > Also, watch out for Jackie Depelle, the lady with the famous > hat. I, too, will be at the York Fair, as I have been a regular for many years now. You will easily spot me - I will probably be wearing a bright yellow Society of Genealogists shirt with the SoG logo and my name on it! This year, however, I have been given a new role. I have been invited by the BBC to feature on their stand as a surnames expert/consultant, talking to visitors about the meaning of their name, and I will be demonstrating the British 19th Century Surname Atlas (a brilliant little program that produces instant surname distribution maps from all the data in the 1881 census) on my laptop. The BBC are there for the first time in conjunction with the TV series, The Great British Story: A People's History. I understand the BBC's stand will be on the 2nd mezzanine floor of the grandstand, so drop by and say hello! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Reference for a Schoolmaster in 1834 “To all to whom these presents shall come. We the inhabitants of Beale alias Beaghall in the Parish of Kellington in the County of York do hereby certify that John DIXON of the same place Schoolmaster is a person of good fame and of sober life and conversation. Given under our hands this 23 Day of May in the Year of our Lord One thousand Eight hundred and thirty four. J. LOWTHIAN, Minister G. E. W. DAVISON, Curate Benjm. SHILLITO, Church Wardin John COWARD, ‘Sessor Thos. DICKON, Constable & Overseer Mrs. T. RAMBY, her mark Geo. COWARD Wm. WRIGHT, Wheelwright & c Thomas BREARS, Farmer Abraham BAXTER, Farmer William JACKSON Wm. HERRIS Robert COWARD, Publican Joseph PIPER, Farmer Wm. DICKONE Hannah WOOD Licence issued herein from 20 June 1834” What were your ancestors doing before the 1841 census? Hope someone will find a connection – wish I could. Mabel in NZ

Congratulations Janet on what sounds like a very successful event! I cannot even imagine all the planning that was involved in coordinating this get together. Hopefully, one of these years I'll get back to Yorkshire and wouldn't that be fun to find people descended from some of my ancestors! Haven't quite gotten to that point yet as my direct line emigrated to the States in the mid 1850s and I haven't found any other relatives yet that were still in the YKS area, though there must have been some somewhere. I must start looking into some of these one-name studies to see if I can find any connections that way. Stupid job keeps interfering in my research time! HaHaHa! Beth in a hot and very dry Chicago --- On Sun, 6/24/12, janetlovegrove@rogers.com <janetlovegrove@rogers.com> wrote: > From: janetlovegrove@rogers.com <janetlovegrove@rogers.com> > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Family Get Together in Yorkshire > To: "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, June 24, 2012, 12:22 PM > My husband Brian and mother-in-law > Dorothy descend from a SHEPHERDSON Family in East > Yorkshire.  We held a SHEPHERDSON Get Together on June 9, > 2012.  This Get Together had been in the planning for over > 6 months.  A number of people from the List asked me to let > them know how the event went.  FANTASTIC!!! >   > First of all the location of Goole, Yorkshire was chosen > due to finding somewhere in Yorkshire where the hall > was large enough to hold this event, reasonable in price > and easy access for transportation.  There were > approximately 130 people who attended.  We had 6 people > from Singapore, a family from NZ, a family from France, 4 > different families from Canada, people from 10 different > counties in the UK.  We held it at The Courtyard in Goole > which is a very old school that is now converted to a > Community type hall.  They have several large rooms that > could be rented and we used the room that could hold up to > 200 people seated.  Their facilities are excellent. >

The Environment Agency was issuing flood alerts and warnings all day which were all over the news and had staff out working on trying to clear rivers of debris to try and keep the water moving. Calderdale Council had information on its website and also has issued a leaflet advising residents what to do in the event of a flood. We had a month's worth of rain fall in 24 hours on already sodden ground - no drainage system is going to cope with that however well maintained (and I suspect it probably isn't as good as it could be because of government spending cuts.) People are very quick to condemn 'the authorities' yet they are the ones who were issuing warnings and trying to help people and when disaster struck were out there working through the night to get people to safe, warm, dry locations. -----Original Message----- From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:27 AM To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Cc: ENG-YORKSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com ; WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Non-gen - floods devastate Calder Valley again If I may be permitted to make a non-genealogy post for once, I was very saddened to see on last night's TV news bulletins the awful scenes of flooded homes and businesses in the Calder Valley - yet again. The worst hit places were Todmorden, Hebden Bridge, Mytholmroyd and Sowerby Bridge, with scores of homes flooded out and people's belongings destroyed. I say "yet again" because the River Calder has been notorious for bursting its banks and flooding the towns and villages through which it passes for many years. However, this latest episode appears to be the worst this century. If you wish to read about the full devastation, just enter "Calder Valley floods" into Google and you will find numerous news stories from the Halifax Courier, Todmorden Today and other news outlets. To gauge some idea of how bad it is, see the photo of Market Street, Hebden Bridge, under water at: http://www.todmordennews.co.uk/news/local/community-spirit-shines-through-after-calder-val ley-flooding-1-4674751 Last night's TV scenes brought back memories for me of similar floods some 60 years ago back in the early 1950s when my folks had a pub, the former Royal Oak, at Mytholmroyd. On that occasion the Calder burst its banks after torrential rain fell and there was an incident that made national headlines (long before the days of the Internet) when a coach party of holidaymakers on their way to Blackpool got stranded in the middle of Mytholmroyd when the driver tried to get through the floods and the coach broke down. They all had to be rescued and carried through the flood waters to our pub, which was fortunately part way up a short hill and so escaped the worst of it. The coach party ended up drying off in the pub and being given food and drink by my parents! One thing people who don't know the Calder Valley may not realise is that a great many homes alongside the river have cellars and/or basement rooms, so these inevitably were completely under water and it will presumably take some time for them to be pumped out and made habitable again. From what I saw on the news, many people were angry that the authorities and powers-that-be seem to have done little either to warn of the impending disaster or to prevent it. Predictably, they made the usual excuses. I hope we can forget genealogy just for a moment to sympathise with those hundreds of people who have suffered severe damage to their homes and businesses and loss of belongings. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My husband Brian and mother-in-law Dorothy descend from a SHEPHERDSON Family in East Yorkshire.  We held a SHEPHERDSON Get Together on June 9, 2012.  This Get Together had been in the planning for over 6 months.  A number of people from the List asked me to let them know how the event went.  FANTASTIC!!!   First of all the location of Goole, Yorkshire was chosen due to finding somewhere in Yorkshire where the hall was large enough to hold this event, reasonable in price and easy access for transportation.  There were approximately 130 people who attended.  We had 6 people from Singapore, a family from NZ, a family from France, 4 different families from Canada, people from 10 different counties in the UK.  We held it at The Courtyard in Goole which is a very old school that is now converted to a Community type hall.  They have several large rooms that could be rented and we used the room that could hold up to 200 people seated.  Their facilities are excellent.   I am doing a one name study on the SHEPHERDSON surname and our group has compiled many different SHEPHERDSON family trees which we number SHEP Family 1, SHEP Family 2, etc.    Over the years a number of these  have been amalgamated with others as research often proves links.  About 7 years ago, we had 7 male SHEPHERDSONs with origins from Yorkshire participate in DNA testing sponsored by Kevin SHEPHERDSON from Singapore.  The results helped us to prove theories of certain families connecting to others.  This year Kevin SHEPHERDSON and his family visited Yorkshire for the first time and he sponsored an additional 9 DNA testings.  We knew that Kevin's line did not connect with any others, his line being from Ramsgate, Kent and before that in Durham.  His ancestors were part of the East India Trading Company and they eventually moved to Penang, Malaysia.   We had several speakers on the topics of WW1 and the SHEPHERDSONs with my son Sean speaking about his 2X Gt Uncle William SHEPHERDSON who was killed in WW1.  Thanks to Della PETCH of Driffield, we were able to relate some stories from the Driffield Times about SHEPHERDSON individuals during the wars.  One lady in attendance was very emotional when I read 3 different newpapers clips about her Grandfather Jack, as she never knew about these articles.  The last article indicated that Jack's parents had been advised that he had been seriously wounded and had head injuries and his arm was shattered.  However, although Jack lost his arm, he survived.  Brian, my husband spoke about the Hull Raids in WW11 and how it affected the SHEPHERDSONs.  One SHEPHERDSON Family was almost wiped out on a raid on July 14, 1943 when mother, father, 4 children were killed.  Two other daughters were seriously injured in this raid.  One of these daughters was Olive SHEPHERDSON who has since passed away, but Olive's daughter was in attendance.  We were able to provide her with a lot of researched info about that raid including copies of the police response reports and other things.  Tony SCAIFE spoke about the Driffield SHEPHERDSONs who had a major business in Driffield.  A fire destroyed the business in the early 1900's, although no mention in the Driffield newspapers.  Another topic was CRIMINALS.  Every family has stories of a few of these.  One lady had previously told me that her ancestor's brother was in a Boys school in Leeds in the 1871 census.  He was only 13 years old and she had wondered what he did wrong to be there.  I found a newspaper article on what had happened and called up Lesley to read to the group that at age 12 Thomas stole a silver watch and was given 1 months hard labour and 3 years reformatory for his bad deed.  Then there was the bad bunch from Malton who were convicted several times of poaching.  There were several newspaper articles that depicts that this lot were well prepared for a fight, with snap dog and all.  Part of this family moved around using aliases to avoid outstanding warrants as it is known that eventually they did murder a gameskeeper.  Then there was the infamous Richard SHEPHERDSON who happens to be Tony SCAIFE's ancestor.  Tony spoke about his ancestor.  Richard came from a well to do family but was always in trouble with the law, pickpocketing at Fairs.  In 1793, his Father enlists the help of his country neighbour Lord HAWKES and the Earl of Darlington to make a plea to the courts for a pardon for Richard who had been on the hulks for a few years awaiting transportation.  Well, it worked and Richard was granted a pardon.  However, it seems that Richard could not keep out of trouble and again was caught pickpocketing at the Leeds Fair several months after his pardon, so he was indeed transported to Australia.  (newspaper info courtesy of Judith Varley)  The story about Richard goes on and on, but since Richard is Tony's ancestor, he has dubbed him "Trickey Dickey".  We heard about the Singapore SHEPHERDSONs research journey, including their start in DNA testing.  They were the first Asian Family to take on a DNA project and several years back, the results of their DNA tests were hand deliverd by an executive of Sorenson, the Company involved in DNA testing.  (info at www.shepherdson.com) At the end of the program, the current DNA results were announced.  We already have some large SHEPHERDSON Families.  The earliest info known about SHEP Family 2 is William SHEPHERDSON marrying Mary STUDLEY in 1703 in Acklam.  We also know that SHEP Family 1 from Wintringham, West Heslerton does connect with Family 2 further back, but not sure where.  Well the results did prove that some of these different lines tested recently either connect to SHEP Family 1 or SHEP Family 2.  But there was also one surprise.  One Family had been previously tested and did not show any connection to any other SHEP Family tested.  However, we had another participant from that same line tested......and guess what.  He does connect to SHEP Family 1.  So there can be some negative consequences about the results.  Why does one individual connect and yet another doesn't.....hmmm.  How do we explain that to the individual previously tested.   We had a lot of info on display for the people to view.  We had Family Charts that inlcuded those in attendance and their ancestors.  We could not print the entire SHEP Family 1 which has over 6000 descendants and 5000 descendants from SHEP Family 2.  These were done as a poster printed from Staples and it extended the length of 22 pages for SHEP Family 2 alone.  We had Wills, MI's, War records, War medals, books written by SHEPHERDSONs from Singapore, Canada and Australia.  CD of Sally-Ann SHEPHERDSON, the Opera Singer.  We had drink coasters and key rings made with the SHEPHERDSON Coat of Arms.  A SHEPHERDSON Family Bible from the 1800's.  Birth, Marriage and Death certificates, newspaper articles and many other items, documents that relate to the SHEPHERDSONs.   I was interviewed on June 8th by BBC Radio about the event.  There was another interview with Tony SCAIFE and Andy PERCY on Humberside on June 12th.  There were a couple of newpapers at the event taking photos, with a story and photo in the Goole Times on June 14th, page 4.  It also helps that the Goole/Briggs MP Andy PERCY was  in attendance and just happens to be a descendant of the SHEPHERDSON Family.    After our event, we got together at the Lowther Hotel in Goole for a dinner with about 50 people.  This hotel is worth a visit from anyone in the area.  They were able to give us use of their function room for a dinner and a lovely dinner selection at a very reasonable price.  We even had a tour of this historic building which included viewing the murals on thier walls upstairs which date back to abt 1840.    All in all, this was a fantastic day.  The end of a lot of work on my part organizing this from Canada.  But the positive feedback from a lot of people makes all the time and effort spent on this worthwhile.  Thanks to Anne HARLEY for helping out on that day, to Judith VARLEY for helping with some of the research of Trickey Dickey in the past, to my friend in the USA who provided me with copies of a number of wills from the LDS in Utah.    Have just arrived home yesterday after just over 3 weeks in Yorkshire.  Will say that we are not missing the horrid rainy weather that Yorkshire experienced.  But we still had a great time in Yorkshire.   Janet

Hi All, I'm having great trouble in accessing results of a search on the above site. In fact, I can't! When I put in all the required fields up come several pages or more of results, but I can only access the 1st page. When I click on page 2, I'm left with the 1st page only. Last week I emailed the LDS and asked them please could they bring back the old site, with which I had never had any problems and was informed that they will never bring it back. I have registered and have a user name and a password and that hasn't helped either. Does SKS have any kind suggestions for me please? Carolyn in Australia.

Hi Roy You are right. it wasnt on the original IGI site and although there is more on the new one I agree with you the layout of the original was much better and easier to follow.We must be getting old !! Cheers Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: "Frank Turner" <frank@cyberscotia.com> Cc: <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] William TURNER m. Sarah STOCKDALE > From: "Frank Turner" <frank@cyberscotia.com> > >> Hi Roy >> Sorry to be such a pain but if you enter William Turner Marriage >> Wakefield Yorkshire 1800 to 1820 it's the first one to come up.It gives >> index >> project 103723-7 and source film 1542102. Marbles at the ready ? >> You are right about Lin's source though. >> Cheers >> Frank < > > Thanks, Frank, I've now found it and it also appears at Findmypast's > Parish Records > Collection marriages. > > The odd thing is, though, that I found it at the main general FamilySearch > website but it does > not appear at the IGI search site (check for yourself). I can only assume > this is because it > was an LDS submission and these seem to have been discarded, at least for > the time being. > A faded-out link for "Community contributed IGI" says "coming soon". > > I seem to have lost the old IGI search site which I much preferred. I had > it bookmarked but > now get a message saying "not found" when I try to call it up. I don't > much care for the new > site but I suppose I'll have to get used to it! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > >

Hi Michelle Yes to both Death certificates were issued from 1837 Cause of death will be recorded and if by an accident of some sort it will likely indicate that there was an inquest but not about it for which the newspapers are the best source Check out freebmd http://www.freebmd.org.uk This looks a good possible for Agnes but I would have expected to find Thomas registered in the same district but nothing obvious pops up , I presume you have his age which may help narrow down the possibilities Deaths Mar 1893 Shaw Agnes Mary 38 Dewsbury 9b 538 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/06/2012 04:45, michelle schnabel wrote: > My Great Grandparents Thomas Shaw and Agnes Mary Shaw (nee Phillips) died > within a very short time of each other early in 1893. I have always been > told that they died in a automobile or train accident. I do not think > either of these can be true as the first death in an automobile accident was > not until late 1893 and the only train accident I can find does not have > them listed. Were death certificates issued at this time and if I requested > one would it state reason for death. Thanks Michelle >

From: "Janice Wood" <janwood50@btinternet.com> > The 17th annual Yorkshire Family History Fair is on next Saturday, > the 30th June at the Racecourse, York. We are really excited about > this, as it promises to be the very biggest and best ever. Certainly > it will be the biggest family history event in the North of England, > with exhibitors from all over the UK, including family history > societies, antiquarian and modern booksellers, CDs, vintage > postcards, photo restorers, researchers, family tree printers, > archive storage specialists and much more. There is something here > for everyone, spread out over 3 floors of the Knavesmire Stand. > There is free parking, wheelchair access, lifts to all floors and > refreshments served all day in the cafeteria. > The No.11 bus from York Railway Station stops within a few minutes > walk > Full details are on the website > http://www.yorkshirefamilyhistoryfair.com > If you are there, please stop at the Yorkshire Ancsestors stand and > say hello. I will be there with Brenda Green > (www.yorkshireancestors.com). > Also, watch out for Jackie Depelle, the lady with the famous hat. > > Regards, > Janice Wood> I, too, will be at the York Fair, as I have been a regular for many years now. You will easily spot me - I will probably be wearing a bright yellow Society of Genealogists shirt with the SoG logo and my name on it! This year, however, I have been given a new role. I have been invited by the BBC to feature on their stand as a surnames expert/consultant, talking to visitors about the meaning of their name, and I will be demonstrating the 19th Century Surname Atlas (a brilliant little program that produces instant surname distribution maps from all the data in the 1881 census) on my laptop. The BBC are there for the first time in conjunction with the TV series, The Great British Story: A People's History. I understand the BBC's stand will be on the 2nd mezzanine floor of the grandstand, so drop by and say hello! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

If I may be permitted to make a non-genealogy post for once, I was very saddened to see on last night's TV news bulletins the awful scenes of flooded homes and businesses in the Calder Valley - yet again. The worst hit places were Todmorden, Hebden Bridge, Mytholmroyd and Sowerby Bridge, with scores of homes flooded out and people's belongings destroyed. I say "yet again" because the River Calder has been notorious for bursting its banks and flooding the towns and villages through which it passes for many years. However, this latest episode appears to be the worst this century. If you wish to read about the full devastation, just enter "Calder Valley floods" into Google and you will find numerous news stories from the Halifax Courier, Todmorden Today and other news outlets. To gauge some idea of how bad it is, see the photo of Market Street, Hebden Bridge, under water at: http://www.todmordennews.co.uk/news/local/community-spirit-shines-through-after-calder-val ley-flooding-1-4674751 Last night's TV scenes brought back memories for me of similar floods some 60 years ago back in the early 1950s when my folks had a pub, the former Royal Oak, at Mytholmroyd. On that occasion the Calder burst its banks after torrential rain fell and there was an incident that made national headlines (long before the days of the Internet) when a coach party of holidaymakers on their way to Blackpool got stranded in the middle of Mytholmroyd when the driver tried to get through the floods and the coach broke down. They all had to be rescued and carried through the flood waters to our pub, which was fortunately part way up a short hill and so escaped the worst of it. The coach party ended up drying off in the pub and being given food and drink by my parents! One thing people who don't know the Calder Valley may not realise is that a great many homes alongside the river have cellars and/or basement rooms, so these inevitably were completely under water and it will presumably take some time for them to be pumped out and made habitable again. From what I saw on the news, many people were angry that the authorities and powers-that-be seem to have done little either to warn of the impending disaster or to prevent it. Predictably, they made the usual excuses. I hope we can forget genealogy just for a moment to sympathise with those hundreds of people who have suffered severe damage to their homes and businesses and loss of belongings. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE