hello its that time of year again when Pontefract holds their annual LIQUORICE FESTIVAL http://www.experiencewakefield.co.uk/events/Pontefractliquoricefestival.aspx come along and a great day. Park & Ride from Pontefract Park. If anyone once lived down Tansh' why not bring along your old photos and call into Ex-Serviceme's Club on Sessions House Yard (behind the Court House, next to Police Station & Tesco's carpark) On 21st July they will be holding a TANSHELF REUNION to share everyone that once lived or visited family/friends memories and old photos. Thank you, Maureen researching REYNOLDS, PONSONBY plus many other families that lived in Tanshelf. 40 years since all houses sadly demolished

Interestingly, although Belton is in Lincolnshire, its post code is Doncaster which is in Yorkshire so it is pretty close. By my rough reckoning Belton is about 3 miles outside Yorkshire. You should feel sorry for its inhabitants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol John

I had a problem with this too. There is a Belton in the Isle of Axholme, Lincolnshire with a present day postal address of Doncaster, Yorkshire and many people living in the Isle of Axholme wrongly state that they live in Yorkshire - but I would have thought that this was a relatively modern day problem. Pat Horton - Hibaldstow, N. Lincs. ________________________________

Dear all, Here is the latest update for the YKS Surnames List database. Many thanks to everyone who has asked me to update their email addresses and to those who have informed me of bounces. There is a horrendous number of bounces and, therefore, deletions this time. Anyone on the list below will have to resubmit their surname(s). Stephen Elliott (5) salt@arcom.com.au Dear Armitage (4) dean.armitage@getronics.com Susan Tudor-Coulson (3) nightshade@postmaster.co.uk Anne Wheaton (2) wheaties@cobweb.com.au Deb. C. Hill (2) Patricia Brown (1) 28429@tpg.com.au Jean Hird Donovan (1) Tejay@batnet.com Michael Sanderson (11) elsecar@clara.co.uk Alec Hird (2) alechird@tiscali.co.uk Brian Sheffield (1) briansheffieldshe1km@supanet.com On the other hand, I am happy to welcome the following new surname submissions: BRIGGS EAGLAND FISH HEATON, HEMINGWAY, HOVERS LITTLEWOOD PEPPERDINE, PETWARDINE, PETWARDYNE SENIOR, SUTCLIFFE Happy hunting everyone! Magdalena -- *MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS* YKS SURNAMES LIST Administrator ykssurnames@yahoo.com http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ -- AIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters --- http://aiic.net <http://aiic.net%20>

At 19:56 02/07/2012, Ellen Edwards wrote: >Any info about Pecks in Belton? I have a small problem with this - where in Yorkshire is Belton? It's not on the Genuki place list nor on my maps database. There's one not far away in N. Lincs. The pedigree on OurFamTree doesn't mention Belton but does mention Wakefield. Andy.

Thank you, Andy, those websites certainly proved these men and their ancestors were important contributors to their communities and their countries. In the graveyard photo, I see Cyrus Peck's grave was immediately ahead of Wesley and Mary Peck's grave in New Westminster, and on the website records, there were other Pecks buried there, also. Yes, Cyrus was granted the Victoria Cross. How marvelous! And was an MLA and even had a Gulf Island Ferry named after him! How fascinating. Are there any Pecks on our Yorksgen List?? Any info about Pecks in Belton? EE -----Original Message----- From: Andy Micklethwaite [mailto:andy.mick@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 3:08 AM To: Ellen Edwards; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] John Peck of Belton Hi Ellen I did a quick Google and Cyrus Wesley Peck 1871-1956 was a Canadian recipient of the VC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Wesley_Peck It says "Peck was 16 years old when his father moved the family to New Westminster, British Columbia." Was he Wesley and Mary's son? Seems so according to the 1881 Canadian census, resident Hopewell NB. Cyrus on Findagrave: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=7768579 Wesley is also on Findagrave http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=69969813 Abiel's genealogy (back to John of Wakefield 1402) is at http://www.ourfamtree.org/browse.cfm/Abiel-Peck/p212212 although I cannot comment on its accuracy. Best Wishes, Andy. At 04:54 02/07/2012, Ellen Edwards wrote: >Last Sunday I came across this gravestone in the Fraser Cemetery, above the >fast moving Fraser River (now very deep and wide with the snow melting off >the mountains). It was next to one I was searching for - a pioneer in New >Westminster. > >The gravestone refers to "here," which would be New Westminster, British >Columbia, Canada. (15 miles from Vancouver on the Pacific Coast). > >The word "Yorkshire" caught my eye. > >So I do hope that John Peck is a name that one of our online friends is >researching. Seems that many generations of Pecks lived in Belton. > >Here is what the standing stone has engraved on it: > >HERE LIES WESLEY PECK >BORN HOPEWELL, NEW BRUNSWICK, JUNE 18, 1827. >DIED HERE OCT. 5, 1920 >DESCENDANT IN 29TH GENERATION FROM >JOHN PECK OF BELTON YORKSHIRE >AND IN 8TH GENERATION FROM JOSEPH PECK >WHO ARRIVED MASSACHUSETTS BAY 1638 >AND IN 4TH GENERATION FROM ABIEL PECK >WHO CAME TO HOPEWELL, N.B. 1762 > >AND HIS WIFE MARY S. ROGERS >BORN HOPEWELL, N.B. FEB 25, 1840 >DIED HERE JAN 12, 1928 >___________________________ >I have a photo of the gravestone if someone would like me to scan it over. >____________________ >Ellen Edwards in B.C. > > >..... >Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; >www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; >www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ellen I did a quick Google and Cyrus Wesley Peck 1871-1956 was a Canadian recipient of the VC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Wesley_Peck It says "Peck was 16 years old when his father moved the family to New Westminster, British Columbia." Was he Wesley and Mary's son? Seems so according to the 1881 Canadian census, resident Hopewell NB. Cyrus on Findagrave: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=7768579 Wesley is also on Findagrave http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=69969813 Abiel's genealogy (back to John of Wakefield 1402) is at http://www.ourfamtree.org/browse.cfm/Abiel-Peck/p212212 although I cannot comment on its accuracy. Best Wishes, Andy. At 04:54 02/07/2012, Ellen Edwards wrote: >Last Sunday I came across this gravestone in the Fraser Cemetery, above the >fast moving Fraser River (now very deep and wide with the snow melting off >the mountains). It was next to one I was searching for - a pioneer in New >Westminster. > >The gravestone refers to "here," which would be New Westminster, British >Columbia, Canada. (15 miles from Vancouver on the Pacific Coast). > >The word "Yorkshire" caught my eye. > >So I do hope that John Peck is a name that one of our online friends is >researching. Seems that many generations of Pecks lived in Belton. > >Here is what the standing stone has engraved on it: > >HERE LIES WESLEY PECK >BORN HOPEWELL, NEW BRUNSWICK, JUNE 18, 1827. >DIED HERE OCT. 5, 1920 >DESCENDANT IN 29TH GENERATION FROM >JOHN PECK OF BELTON YORKSHIRE >AND IN 8TH GENERATION FROM JOSEPH PECK >WHO ARRIVED MASSACHUSETTS BAY 1638 >AND IN 4TH GENERATION FROM ABIEL PECK >WHO CAME TO HOPEWELL, N.B. 1762 > >AND HIS WIFE MARY S. ROGERS >BORN HOPEWELL, N.B. FEB 25, 1840 >DIED HERE JAN 12, 1928 >___________________________ >I have a photo of the gravestone if someone would like me to scan it over. >____________________ >Ellen Edwards in B.C. > > >..... >Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; >www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; >www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all list members who responded to my original posting I have now established that William KERSHAW snr was almost certainly William KERSHAW jnr's first cousin rather than his father and obtained corroborated evidence that my gt gt gt grandfather Henry KERSHAW married one of his first cousins.This opened a floodgate to two further corroborated generations. Thank you again for all the useful comments Alan Boocock ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan boocock" <baboocock@pd.jaring.my> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: SUFFIXES and FIRST COUSIN MARRIAGES > To all list members who responded to my posting > Thank you for all the informative emails that I received on the above > topic > which were extremely useful in broadening the scope of my thinking. > I have an ancestor Henry KERSHAW who is well documented in his middle age > but his parents, the date of his birth and death and their whereabouts > have > so far eluded me. One of his sons, however, namely John Hugh KERSHAW > married > Elizabeth Mildred TWIGG in Aug 1842 at Leeds PC when his father Henry > KERSHAW was recorded as a Merchant and this was reported on Sat 3 Sep > 1842 > in the Leeds Intelligencer, West Yorkshire as follows:- Monday last, at > the > parish church, by the Rev. George Mills, Mr. John Hugh KERSHAW, nephew of > the late Wm. KERSHAW, jun. Esq., of Halifax, to Elizabeth Mildred, > youngest > daughter of Mr. Edwd. TWIGG, of Springfield-place in this town. This would > normally mean that Henry and William jnr were brothers whose father was > William KERSHAW snr. All the evidence that I have collated to date, > however, > indicates that William jnr's father was James KERSHAW which would mean > that > James was also Henry's father and points towards James's brother or father > being William snr. The matter is further complicated by the fact that > James > KERSHAW's probable wife Martha HAIGH was the sister of Henry's mother in > law, thus would mean that first cousins had married. I am collecting > additional information which hopefully will either prove that my current > thoughts based on evidence to date are flawed and incorrect OR that > William > snr was the uncle or grandfather of William jnr and that Henry KERSHAW > married one of his first cousins. > Alan Boocock >

Last Sunday I came across this gravestone in the Fraser Cemetery, above the fast moving Fraser River (now very deep and wide with the snow melting off the mountains). It was next to one I was searching for - a pioneer in New Westminster. The gravestone refers to "here," which would be New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada. (15 miles from Vancouver on the Pacific Coast). The word "Yorkshire" caught my eye. So I do hope that John Peck is a name that one of our online friends is researching. Seems that many generations of Pecks lived in Belton. Here is what the standing stone has engraved on it: HERE LIES WESLEY PECK BORN HOPEWELL, NEW BRUNSWICK, JUNE 18, 1827. DIED HERE OCT. 5, 1920 DESCENDANT IN 29TH GENERATION FROM JOHN PECK OF BELTON YORKSHIRE AND IN 8TH GENERATION FROM JOSEPH PECK WHO ARRIVED MASSACHUSETTS BAY 1638 AND IN 4TH GENERATION FROM ABIEL PECK WHO CAME TO HOPEWELL, N.B. 1762 AND HIS WIFE MARY S. ROGERS BORN HOPEWELL, N.B. FEB 25, 1840 DIED HERE JAN 12, 1928 ___________________________ I have a photo of the gravestone if someone would like me to scan it over. ____________________ Ellen Edwards in B.C.

Hello all, Radio interviews from Yorkshire Family History Fair, yesterday at the Racecourse, York, are on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radioyork/programmes/schedules/2012/6/30 This is available on this site for 6 days only. The Russell Walker Show at 10am, Saturday 30 June. The interviews are on about 43 minutes into the programme. I am on at approximately 46 minutes. This was recorded on Friday afternoon, so they edited out a few bits before it went on air! Regards, Janice Wood

Dear Ted and Barb What a small world! Thank you for your response regarding my Great, Great Uncle Albert. I spent 3 days in Cumberland staying at the Kingfisher Oceanside Resort and believe I passed the coffee shop you mentioned. The current owners of the house he stayed in allowed me to have a look around in his bedroom and the front parlour where his white coffin was laid before the funeral. I was made so welcome by everyone I met in the Cumberland Museum, at the graveside ceremony at Miners' Memorial Day, at the evening celebrations and in the street! Several Cumberland residents have already been in touch. I got the feeling his memory still causes political waves, however the people I met gave me warm and glowing reports of the stories that had been handed down to them about the charismatic miner who stood out from the crowd. This is heartwarming for his descendants. My mother, Great Aunts and several cousins have already visited and this was my turn. I appreciated the quiet time I spent having "a little chat" and weeding and raking his grave so it looked pristine on the day. You may wish to read an article I wrote last year for Your Family Tree which they have re posted following my visit. http://www.yourfamilytreemag.co.uk/2012/06/29/case-study-reforming-and-resis ting/ The visit really brought home to me what conditions were like for miners at that time and especially the Chinese and Japanese. This has brought a whole new meaning to me for "missing from the census". I couldn't have dreamt that this had happened to a missing ancestor. Thank you once again for your interest and when I return again I will get in touch with you. Pam Smith Harrogate, Yorkshire, UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:47:32 -0700 From: "Ted & Barb Simpkins" <barb.ted@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Ginger GOODWIN To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: "\"Pam Smith\"" <pam.smith@tinyworld.co.uk> Message-ID: <25F69E04BFAE4E8E921BF4A84E31DEE6@OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Good Morning Listers As Pam SMITH has brought to our attention Albert 'Ginger' GOODWIN. Around the Comox Valley he is somewhat of a celebrity. Some people revere him as a hero of the working class (Union/Labour), while others think he was a coward & pinko communist sympathizer (you must remember this all happened during the period of conscription for military service during WW I). I don't profess to know, it was much before my DOB. The facts are that, he was tracked down after days of hunting and shot dead at a site where he was hiding out in his camp up a canyon (Cruickshank) off of Comox Lake. There is a large information/memorial board with photos and write up at the Cumberland camp ground and park on the lake shore. A few years ago some people (Union/Labour) wanted a portion of our new inland island highway named after him. This proposal went as far as to having the MOT for the Province putting up signs naming it the 'Ginger Goodwin Memorial Highway', those signs, and the name lasted about two weeks. After a tremendous uproar and backlash from most of the Comox Valley citizens and organizations the signs were removed and the name withdrawn. After almost 100 years he is still a very controversial figure. Pam, you should have called, we could of had 'COFFEE' & donuts at the Cumberland Bakery. Ted Courtenay, BC only 6 miles from Cumberland Message: 5 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:20:30 +0100 From: "Pam Smith" <pam.smith@tinyworld.co.uk> Subject: [YORKSGEN] Albert Ginger Goodwin 1887-1918 A Yorkshire Miner To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001701cd54dc$f8dca340$ea95e9c0$@smith@tinyworld.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Many Yorkshire miners emigrated in search of a better life away from the harsh conditions of life down the pit. This was the case of my Great Great Uncle Albert "Ginger" Goodwin who was born in Treeton. We knew little of what happened to him until the author Roger Stonebanks Fighting for Dignity: The Ginger Goodwin Story came to find the family. A Miner, Pacifist and Socialist he was shot and killed, there is still debate as to whether it was murder or not. His death sparked the first Canadian General Strike in 1918. I've just returned from Canada and a visit to Miners' Memorial Day at Cumberland, Vancouver Island where I had the privilege to meet many people who knew of him and the impact of his legacy. I'm jet lagged and wide awake so I thought I would share this with you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWrUTi-RIaI ------------------------------ To contact the YORKSGEN list administrator, send an email to YORKSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the YORKSGEN mailing list, send an email to YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 312 ****************************************

Good Morning Listers As Pam SMITH has brought to our attention Albert 'Ginger' GOODWIN. Around the Comox Valley he is somewhat of a celebrity. Some people revere him as a hero of the working class (Union/Labour), while others think he was a coward & pinko communist sympathizer (you must remember this all happened during the period of conscription for military service during WW I). I don't profess to know, it was much before my DOB. The facts are that, he was tracked down after days of hunting and shot dead at a site where he was hiding out in his camp up a canyon (Cruickshank) off of Comox Lake. There is a large information/memorial board with photos and write up at the Cumberland camp ground and park on the lake shore. A few years ago some people (Union/Labour) wanted a portion of our new inland island highway named after him. This proposal went as far as to having the MOT for the Province putting up signs naming it the 'Ginger Goodwin Memorial Highway', those signs, and the name lasted about two weeks. After a tremendous uproar and backlash from most of the Comox Valley citizens and organizations the signs were removed and the name withdrawn. After almost 100 years he is still a very controversial figure. Pam, you should have called, we could of had 'COFFEE' & donuts at the Cumberland Bakery. Ted Courtenay, BC only 6 miles from Cumberland Message: 5 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:20:30 +0100 From: "Pam Smith" <pam.smith@tinyworld.co.uk> Subject: [YORKSGEN] Albert Ginger Goodwin 1887-1918 A Yorkshire Miner To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001701cd54dc$f8dca340$ea95e9c0$@smith@tinyworld.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Many Yorkshire miners emigrated in search of a better life away from the harsh conditions of life down the pit. This was the case of my Great Great Uncle Albert "Ginger" Goodwin who was born in Treeton. We knew little of what happened to him until the author Roger Stonebanks Fighting for Dignity: The Ginger Goodwin Story came to find the family. A Miner, Pacifist and Socialist he was shot and killed, there is still debate as to whether it was murder or not. His death sparked the first Canadian General Strike in 1918. I've just returned from Canada and a visit to Miners' Memorial Day at Cumberland, Vancouver Island where I had the privilege to meet many people who knew of him and the impact of his legacy. I'm jet lagged and wide awake so I thought I would share this with you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWrUTi-RIaI

Many Yorkshire miners emigrated in search of a better life away from the harsh conditions of life down the pit. This was the case of my Great Great Uncle Albert "Ginger" Goodwin who was born in Treeton. We knew little of what happened to him until the author Roger Stonebanks Fighting for Dignity: The Ginger Goodwin Story came to find the family. A Miner, Pacifist and Socialist he was shot and killed, there is still debate as to whether it was murder or not. His death sparked the first Canadian General Strike in 1918. I've just returned from Canada and a visit to Miners' Memorial Day at Cumberland, Vancouver Island where I had the privilege to meet many people who knew of him and the impact of his legacy. I'm jet lagged and wide awake so I thought I would share this with you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWrUTi-RIaI Pam Smith Harrogate, Yorkshire

Hi Malcolm One of the records appears to be some kind of transcript. The source of the record shown as image no.17 is, as you said, 5D94/1/7/3, but the source for image no.2 is 5D94/1/1/5. It adds to the confusion that 5D94 is, I believe, the old reference number for Bingley, whereas WYAS now refer to it as BDP7. Anyway, a list of Bingley registers they sent me in 2008 showed BDP7/1/1/5 as the Register of Baptisms 1779-1792 and Burials 1775-1792; and BDP7/1/7/3 under Transcripts, covering 1768-1780, which are said to be incomplete. It looks as though Ancestry have included the images of both of these, but mixed them up together by year. It's not totally clear what these transcripts are, as they appear to be written in a bound book. Bishops Transcripts would usually be written on loose pages so they could be handed or sent in each year, so it's probably not these - and in any case, Bingley BTs, like most Yorkshire ones, are at the Borthwick in York rather than WYAS. At this distance we can probably only guess, but perhaps the less tidy one (described by WYAS as a transcript) was written out by the vicar at the time of the ceremonies, and then copied more neatly by the clerk in the proper register. This would account for the handwriting being different, and if we assume some of the rough copies got lost, that would explain why the transcripts are incomplete. I hope this helps - maybe for a definitive answer you'd need to ask WYAS themselves. Arthur PS - Do you by any chance have a spare Ellen/Eleanor EMMOTT in that area? John STOW married one such in Kildwick in 1786; she was born about 1768, and I and many other Stow researchers have never been able to find a birth or baptism for her. (She's not the one baptised in Skipton in 1769.) On 27/06/2012 14:21, Malcolm Emmett wrote: > I have just found what appear ro be two separate records for the baptism of > James Emmott in Bingley in 1779. It actually looks as if there were two > parish registers. One seems to be written more legibly than the other! > Would they have kept two copies or is there another explanation that I am > missing?

I have taken time to reply to this as I have only just got back from Ottawa. Like Sue I too was born in Hessle, but lived in London, so saw the bridge being built every time I visited my parents. My father was getting frustrated with all the delays. He kept saying he wondered if he would still be alive when it was completed. Happy to say he was and could have been the oldest driver to drive across. He died in 1984 aged 93 I have walked and driven across the bridge. Every time I visit Hull I always look forward to another view of the bridge as I drive along the A63 No one appears to have mentioned that the tolls have been halved recently. At least that is what I learned from the Hull Daily Mail before I went to Canada. Needless to say it is still my favourite bridge but then I am biased! Victor On 24/06/2012 1:44 PM, Sue Monaghan wrote: > Oh My Goodness, Thirty one years! I was born and bred in Hessle and could > see the Hessle tower from my bedroom window. I was in the crowd when the > Queen officially opened the bridge on 17th July, holding my small son in my > arms. My small son celebrated his thirty fourth birthday a few days ago. > At last I have something up on Roy! Not only have I driven across the > bridge, I have rode across on a bike and walked across on my two short legs > <lol> > > I left the UK shortly after the bridge opened and have lived in Australia > ever since, returning a couple of times and naturally visited the bridge! > > Sue > > >> "Tomorrow, Sunday June 24 2012, marks the 31st birthday of the opening to >> traffic of the >> Humber Bridge. A formal opening ceremony by the Queen followed on 17 July. >> From 1981 >> until 1998 it was the longest single-span suspension bridge in the world >> but now only ranks in >> fifth place, having been overtaken by others in Japan, China and Denmark. > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The South Atlantic island of St Helena had slaves and it was decreed that any child born to a slave woman from and after Christmas Day 1818 was to be free but to be considered as apprentices to the proprietors of the mothers until the age of 18 if male, or 16 if female. These children had to attend Church and Sunday school. Once slavery was officially abolished by Britain there were still ships plying the trade. Navy ships intercepted where they could and many slaves were put ashore on St Helena as they were carrying many diseases, and were too sick for the long journey back to Africa. They were landed in Rupert's Bay, a valley over the hill and away from the town to Jamestown. The Saints used to take food to the top of the hill between the two valleys and fire a shot so the slaves knew food had arrived. (No they didn't go down into the valley, they were very wary of disease as measles had caused havoc on the island in 1807 with many folk dying from that virus). Many many people died there and relatively recently a whole graveyard was discovered with the remains of these slaves being found. And yes St Helena was where Napoleon died and he was fond of the slave Toby owned by our ancestor William Balcombe. We are pleased to report the Balcombe's were considered kind to their slaves who were well fed and treated kindly, in fact one begged to return to England with them and did so when they left the Island. Cheers Caroline

I have just found what appear ro be two separate records for the baptism of James Emmott in Bingley in 1779. It actually looks as if there were two parish registers. One seems to be written more legibly than the other! Would they have kept two copies or is there another explanation that I am missing? Details for James Emmott: Birth Date: 5 Aug 1779 (one of the records has this transcribed as 1778) Baptism Date: 22 Aug 1779 Parish: Bingley Father's Name: James Emmott** I found the records on Ancestry and the citation is as follows (images 2 and 17). Source Citation: West Yorkshire Archive Service; Wakefield, Yorkshire, England; *Yorkshire Parish Records*; Old Reference Number: *5D94/1/7/3*; . *Source Information:* Ancestry.com. *West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812* [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011. Original data: *Yorkshire Parish Records*. Leeds, England: West Yorkshire Archive Service. Thanks Malcolm Emmett

A search of Hansard for 'Whitby' yielded 2603 results. This is the first when sorted by earliest first... try it for your home town, may give you some interesting snippets of history Cheers Caroline From http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1812/apr/29/petitions-from-sheffield-and-whitby#S1V0022P0_18120429_HOC_8 HANSARD 1803–2005 → 1810s → 1812 → April 1812 → 29 April 1812 → Commons Sitting PETITIONS FROM SHEFFIELD, AND WHITBY, RESPECTING THE RENEWAL OF THE EAST INDIA COMPANY'S CHARTER HC Deb 29 April 1812 vol 22 cc1115-8 1115 § A Petition of the merchants, master manufacturers, and other principal inhabitants of the town and neighbourhood of Sheffield, agreed upon at a meeting held at the Cutler's-hall on the 6th day of April, 1812, was presented and read; setting forth, § "That the petitioners cannot, without deep concern, and some degree of alarm, 1116 contemplate the present state of the commerce and manufactures of the United Kingdom, excluded as they are, in a great measure, from the principal markets in every quarter of the globe, from the continent of Europe by the envious malignant and persevering exertions of the lawless ruler of France, from North America by those intricate and long protracted disputes which continue to perplex the councils of both nations, from Africa by the difficulty of access, and the barbarism of its general population, and from the richest provinces of Asia by the exclusive monopoly of the East India Company; and that the petitioners trust they shall ever bear, without murmuring, all necessary burthens and unavoidable privations, rather than compromise, in the smallest degree, the honour, the interest, or the security of their country; they cannot, however, but feel it a duty thus candidly and temperately to state to the House, the difficulties and distresses which all ranks of mercantile men and manufacturers in the town and neighbourhood of Sheffield experience at the present time, and to claim, with freedom and confidence, every relief and assistance within the power of the House to afford; and that the petitioners are convinced, that one of the most easy and effectual measures for this purpose would be the discontinuance at the close of the present grant of the East India Company's commercial monopoly; and that the petitioners are fully persuaded, if the trade to the East Indies were thrown open to all his Majesty's subjects, such new and abundant markets would be discovered and established, as would enable them to set at defiance every effort to injure them by that sworn enemy to their prosperity, and the peace of Europe, the present unprincipled ruler of France; and that the petitioners doubt not, if the trade of this United Kingdom were permitted to flow unimpeded over those extensive luxuriant and opulent regions, though it might, in the outset, like a torrent represt and swoln by obstruction when its sluices were first opened, break forth with uncontroulable impetuosity, deluging instead of supplying the district before it; yet that very violence which, at the beginning, might be partially injurious, would, in the issue, prove highly and permanently beneficial; no part being unvisited, the waters of commerce, that spread over the face of the land as they subsided, would wear themselves 1117 channels through which they might continue to flow ever afterwards in regular and fertilizing streams; and that to the wealthy, enterprizing, honourable and indefatigable British merchant conducting in person his own concerns, no obstacle would prove insurmountable, no prejudice invincible, no difficulty disheartening; wants, where he found them, he would supply; where they did not exist, he would create them, by affording the means of gratification; and that the petitioners are aware, that the commercial monopoly of the East India Company, while it is exceedingly prejudicial to the mercantile interest of the community at large, is only in a small proportion profitable to the proprietors themselves, and, if permitted to continue, there is reason to believe that its advantages will be gradually reduced and deteriorated; on the particular evils resulting from this monopoly the petitioners forbear to expatiate, being well assured that these will not escape the vigilant eye of the British legislature, nor be suffered longer to exist than the welfare of the colonies themselves, and the strict justice due to the claims of the East India Company, shall imperiously require; and praying the House to take into serious consideration the propriety of refusing to renew the expiring grant of an exclusive right of trade to certain countries between the Cape of Good Hope and the Straits of Magellan to the East India Company, the petitioners being convinced that such a measure offers the fairest probability of alleviating the distresses of this country, reviving its commerce and manufactures, improving its revenue, increasing the navy, and, with the navy, the strength of the British empire, and under the blessing of Providence, enabling us most successfully to defeat the ambitious projects of an implacable foe, who finds our resistance an insuperable bar to the accomplishment of his scheme of universal domination." § A Petition of the merchant ship owners and other inhabitants of the town of Whitby, in the county of York, was also presented and read; setting forth, § "That the approaching expiration of the East India Company's Charter having occupied the attention of the House, the petitioners beg leave to observe, that, if the trade to the British dominions in India and to the immense and populous countries included in the Charter; were laid open to 1118 the skill industry and capital of private merchants, it would be conducted with a degree of energy and economy which a large public body is incapable of exercising, new channels of commerce would be discovered, the consumption of our manufactures extended, and our shipping increased, to the advantage of the parties concerned, and the permanent augmentation of the wealth power and resources of the British empire; and that the extensive and flourishing commerce of the United States of America with India and the Chinese empire, exhibits a proof that these expectations of advantage from the exertions of private individuals are not unfounded; and that the petitioners hope and trust that no reason can be found, either in justice or in policy, for the exclusion of the out-ports from the benefit of the trade with India; and though the inhabitants of the port of Whitby might not embark directly in the trade, yet they have no doubt of profiting in common with their countrymen, from the increased employment which it would offer to British shipping, and the new markets which it would open to our manufactures, and the petitioners further humbly request that the House will not impose any restraint on the British merchant respecting the burthen of any vessel to be employed in the trade, but leave the choice to his own judgment and discretion; and praying the House will be pleased to adopt such measures as to their wisdom shall seem meet, for granting to all his Majesty's subjects, from and after the expiration of the East India Company's Charter, a free trade to and from India and its dependencies, and to and from the empire of China." § Ordered to lie upon the table. Back to BILL FOR PREVENTING THE COUNTER FEITING OF SILVER COIN. Forward to PETITION OF THE MERCHANTS, &C. IN GLASGOW, IN FAVOUR OF THE ORDERS IN COUNCIL.

After he has been deposed from being conservative party leader, and whilst he was in Opposition, William Hague, MP for Richmond, Yorks wrote an excellent biography on William Wilfberforce, MP for the West Riding. Was Hedon a Rotten Borough because this happened before the Reform Bill? Chris ________________________________ From: Jane Hansen <melmrby@yahoo.com> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012, 5:02 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Local MP defends the Slave Trade! Political double-talk at its best? Transcribed from the Hull Advertiser, July 1807 SLAVE TRADE Mr. Browne, one of the Members in Parliament for Hedon, has written to his constituents there to explain the grounds on which he opposed the Bill for the Abolition of the Slave Trade, now depending in Parliament, and to prevent any prejudices which might be formed on any imperfect representation of his speech on that subject, delivered in Parliament on Friday fortnight. On the general question he says: “I do not defend the trade as an abstract question; but connected as it is with a complicated and widely extended system of both public and private interests, the remedy of the evil should be considered with reference to those interests. If on examination it should be found that these interests are likely to be materially affected, it becomes us not to be influenced by the consequences to Africa only, but to attend also to the consequences as they affect ourselves.”  Speaking of the state of slavery, he says, “However abhorrent it be to our minds, I contend, that it is not induced by the Slave Trade; that it is inseparable from the situation and circumstances of Africa, and cannot be cured by the abolition as proposed by the Bill; that it is the effect and not the cause of slavery in Africa; that we cannot practically carry into Africa the benefits of our ideas of humanity; and that we are, on a doubtful chance of this benefit, incurring a certain prospect of imminent danger to the property and lives of our own subjects. These are the points of my objection. I do not cherish the Slave Trade as a principle or a traffic suited to my mind or feelings, but I view the consequences of an alteration in the system as they regard ourselves on the one hand, and as they regard Africa on the other, and I am decided that the proposed remedy is worse than the disease.” Jane Charlottesville, VA ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry for the question marks in this passage. They were double quotes when they left my computer! Jane > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Local MP defends the Slave Trade! > Transcribed from the Hull Advertiser, July 1807 > > SLAVE TRADE