Hi Caroline I remember reading an article some years ago, where some people who were digging around some old ruins in London (might have been the Time Team), found some 'paper' on which was the recipe for 'Roman cement'. I can't remember what year this was. Regards Ann Sunny Perth, WA -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Gaden Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012 1:10 PM To: Yorksgen Subject: [YORKSGEN] Roman cement Hello Yorkins I came across this in a furniture catalogue of furniture for sale which was used by Napoleon on St Helena. 'Roman cement' also known as 'Atkinson's cement' was introduced to the London market by William Atkinson. The raw material was shipped to his own wharf at Westminster from Lord Mulgrave's estate near Whitby, the end product could be used both as an external rendering and as a form of stucco. I'll trawl through the 200 + pages and see if I come across any more mention of it Cheers Caroline ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Yorkins I came across this in a furniture catalogue of furniture for sale which was used by Napoleon on St Helena. 'Roman cement' also known as 'Atkinson's cement' was introduced to the London market by William Atkinson. The raw material was shipped to his own wharf at Westminster from Lord Mulgrave's estate near Whitby, the end product could be used both as an external rendering and as a form of stucco. I'll trawl through the 200 + pages and see if I come across any more mention of it Cheers Caroline

From: "bmo06298@bigpond.net.au" <bmo06298@bigpond.net.au> > In response to all who commented on the 'Wet Weather' between the UK and > Australia look at the following from Wikipedia: > How many times will United Kingdom fit into Australia? > Answer: > The land mass of the UK is 243,609 sq km > The land mass of Australia is 7,692,024 sq km > The UK will fit into Australia about 31.5 times. > > > Read more:http://wiki.answers > com/Q/How_many_times_will_united_kingdom_fit_into_Australia#ixzz21ANTInt3 > > Brian M Morley > Queensland Australia> I'm afraid I am not entirely clear how this is relevant to the original thread or what point is being made. If the poster is saying that Australia is far bigger than Britain in land territory, I think we all knew that from our schooldays. However, a much more relevant factor is surely population. According to the most recently available figures at Wikipedia, the population of the United Kingdom in 2012 is 62,262,000, or approx 0.89 per cent of the world's population, The population of Australia is 22,675,627 or around 0.32 per cent of the world's population - marginally over one-third of the population of the UK. If Australia is 31-and-a-half times bigger than the UK in land mass terms but the UK has three times the population, then the UK is lord-knows-how-many times bigger (someone do the maths for me) in one sense. Of course, the figure will be slightly skewed by the number of Australians living over here in places liked Earls Court, London, and working as barmen and barmaids! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I’m just putting down a marker to indicate interest in a small group of HOBSONs and to flesh out an entry in the very useful Yorkshire Surnames List. I am looking for any further information on: Israel HOBSON christened 11 December 1726, Fewston, Yorkshire Ann HOBSON buried Adel, Yorkshire 13 December 1809 (widow of Israel Hobson, ‘Allwoodley’) and their daughter Mary HOBSON christened 6th January 1758, Chapel Allerton, Leeds. Israel was supposed to have been killed at the storming of Gibtaltar – I have assumed the 1780s siege, but we have a Keeling’s Gibraltar trade token dated 1802. Mary was my 4xgreat grandmother and married John Lindley, papermaker (1749??-1831). I think that the Hobson male line may have continued in the Armley area so hope that here may be links via that. John Lindley NRY (the North Yorkshire one) R1b1a2

Hi Mabel, There is no John CRAGGS listed in any of the Electoral Rolls for Bradford from 1900 to 1915 (there were none from then until 1920 due to WWI). Presumably this means that he wasn't eligible to vote. Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: http://www.YorkshireCDbooks.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Help! > >I know that I should know this but - > >How can I access UK Electoral Rolls for c1910/20? >I?m looking for Great Uncle John CRAGGS who would have been 30 years >old in 1911 but cannot be found in the census for that year. >The rest of his family was living in Bradford at that time. > >Hopefully >Mabel in NZ

High tea was 50s style food courtesy of Marks &Spencer. We were so stuffed with savouries that we could not manage the cake (Swiss Roll and sponge), so that is going to Pudsey for lecture day. There are still some spaces left for this - ask Jackie Depelle. We toasted the Queen with elderflower champagne which really was home made. Then Lynn Lucas brought in a selection of old fashioned sweeties from the shop in Beverley. We fell on these like kids in a sweetie shop. Today we are having a day off and are going to Whitby on the bus for fish and chips. Chris

The John (Jack) CRAGGS I am seeking was born in Prudhoe , Northumberland 20 February 1881. In 1891 he and his family were at 42 Legrams Lane, Listerhills, Bradford In 1901 their address was 23 Rosebery Road, Bradford and Jack was an assistant in a café. He didn't marry or have any children - we've searched high and low with as many variations as we can think of in 1911 but to no avail. He and his father apparently did not see eye to eye but we think he was probably in the Bradford district - possibly working for an antique dealer? When Mum matriculated in 1920 he gave her 2 pictures which are now hanging in our lounge here in New Zealand. Later Great Uncle Jack had an antiques and collectibles shop in Tenby, Pembrokeshire but communication with other family members ceased over time. He was held in great respect by the antiques trade and, I believe, is still quoted as an authority on some period furniture by MALLETT Antiques of London & New York although he has been dead for 43 years. Thank you for your interest Ann, Margaret & Lin Regards Mabel in NZ

I couldn't find him anywhere in 1911 either. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mabel Jowsey" <mjowsey@es.co.nz> To: "ann baird" <ann.baird@tiscali.co.uk>; "Yorksgen Yorksgen" <Yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:31 AM Subject: [YORKSGEN] Re; John CRAGGS > The John (Jack) CRAGGS I am seeking was born in Prudhoe , Northumberland > 20 February 1881. > In 1891 he and his family were at 42 Legrams Lane, Listerhills, Bradford > In 1901 their address was 23 Rosebery Road, Bradford and Jack was an > assistant in a café. > > He didn't marry or have any children - we've searched high and low with as > many variations as we can think of in 1911 but to no avail. > He and his father apparently did not see eye to eye but we think he was > probably in the Bradford district - possibly working for an antique > dealer? > When Mum matriculated in 1920 he gave her 2 pictures which are now hanging > in our lounge here in New Zealand. > > Later Great Uncle Jack had an antiques and collectibles shop in Tenby, > Pembrokeshire but communication with other family members ceased over > time. > He was held in great respect by the antiques trade and, I believe, is > still > quoted as an authority on some period furniture by MALLETT Antiques of > London & New York although he has been dead for 43 years. > > Thank you for your interest Ann, Margaret & Lin > Regards > Mabel in NZ > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5141 - Release Date: 07/19/12 >

Hello all, I am just going out now, to enjoy a real Yorkshire High Tea with Yorksgen 2012 people at York. Come and join us at 6pm Janice Wood

Hi Chris Having followed some of mine in Hampsthwaite for quite a way back, I came to realise that it was close to the Forest of Knaresborough if not actually in it - I found wills of residents of Hampsthwaite in the Knaresborough wills thanks to Tony Cheal's website: http://www.harrogatepeopleandplaces.info/index.htm I might be tempted to look for early family events in Baildon in the Otley PRs too - that's where I found some of our SWAINs. Coming through Baildon is one of our options to travel through Otley to the A59 for Harrogate and Knaresborough. I would consider it nearer to Shipley than anywhere else. Hope this helps Good hunting Anne Harley

Hi list and thanks to Nivard for a look at the wet weather, it's a very pretty sight. Although we have had the odd 'flood' in various parts of Australia, these reach a small area only and dry up quickly. Australia has been suffering the worst drought(s) since the Federation Drought(s). WIKIPEDIA: In Australia, the Federation Drought is the name given to a prolonged period of drought that occurred around the time of Federation in 1901. Though often thought of as a long drought, until the record dry year of 1902 the period was actually one of a number of very dry spells intercepted with wetter weather. Dry conditions gradually became established during the late 1890s and several dry areas joined together to create the end result of a drought covering over half the continent. ................................................................................................................... So we are living in much the very same weather conditions as our ancestors did way back in the olden days. I have read a few accounts of droughts, floods and bush fires from the early 1800's, when farmers were 'charged' for starting bush fires, even though they didn't mean to. Dorothea MacKellar's poem MY COUNTRY sums this country up and every child in every Australian school HAD to learn to recite this poem. It was more a prayer to us than a poem. I love a sunburnt country, A land of sweeping plains, Of ragged mountain ranges, Of droughts and flooding rains. I love her far horizons, I love her jewel-sea, Her beauty and her terror - The wide brown land for me! http://www.dorotheamackellar.com.au/ I suppose now you'll send me a poem about Yorkshire Puddings>) Regards Regards Ann Spiro baskett@one-name.org briggs@one-name.org http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett Blacksmiths & Related Occupations http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com 

Quite funny that the one part of Britain that still has a drought is the Western Isles and North but it has had some benefits apparently. Drought helping to keep midge numbers down http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/2851244 Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk http://www.mbriscoe.me.uk/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/ http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=rcahms%20briscoe http://www.qsl.net/gm8aob/ http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SBS Engineers Research Sent: 19 July 2012 09:09 To: Nivard Ovington; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Wet Pudding Hi list and thanks to Nivard for a look at the wet weather, it's a very pretty sight. Although we have had the odd 'flood' in various parts of Australia, these reach a small area only and dry up quickly. Australia has been suffering the worst drought(s) since the Federation Drought(s).

My cousin in Ontario sent me this. She tells me it is still hot and they have had no rain in her area. She is getting water from the lake which backs onto her home. She does have a well but considers the water is too cold for her plans to she uses the lake water for this. When I was there last month, in two periods,at the end of May (for a few days) and again at the end of June (again for a few days) all I got, on both occasions, was rain! I offered to return so it will rain again! Hope you like what she sent me Apologies to everyone we are going off topic here. Lets make this the last comment on the weather Victor *IT'S SO HOT in ONTARIO........* *.....the birds have to use potholders to pull the worms out of the ground.* *.....the trees are whistling for the dogs.* *.....the best parking place is determined by shade instead of distance* *.....hot water comes from both taps.* *.....you can make sun tea instantly.* *.....you learn that a seat belt buckle makes a pretty good branding iron.* *.....the temperature drops below 90 F and you feel a little chilly.* *.....you discover that in July it only takes two fingers to steer your car (one on each hand).* *.....you discover that you can get sunburned through your car window.* *.....you actually burn your hand opening the car door.* *.....you break into a sweat the instant you step outside at 5:30 A.M.* *.....your biggest motorcycle wreck fear is, "What if I get knocked out and end up lying on * * the pavement and cook to death"?* *.....you realize that asphalt has a liquid stage.* *.....the potatoes cook underground, so all you have to do is pull one out and add butter.* *.....the cows are giving evaporated milk.* *.....farmers are feeding their chickens crushed ice to keep them from laying boiled eggs.* * IT'S SO DRY in ONTARIO****that the Baptists are starting to baptize by sprinkling, the Methodists are using wet-wipes, the Presbyterians are giving rain checks, and the Catholics are praying for the wine to turn back into water!* On 19/07/2012 9:08 AM, SBS Engineers Research wrote: > Hi list and thanks to Nivard for a look at the wet weather, it's a very pretty sight. Although we have had the odd 'flood' in various parts of Australia, these reach a small area only and dry up quickly. Australia has been suffering the worst drought(s) since the Federation Drought(s). > > WIKIPEDIA: > In Australia, the Federation Drought is the name given to a prolonged period of drought that occurred around the time of Federation in 1901. > > Though often thought of as a long drought, until the record dry year of 1902 the period was actually one of a number of very dry spells intercepted with wetter weather. Dry conditions gradually became established during the late 1890s and several dry areas joined together to create the end result of a drought covering over half the continent. > ................................................................................................................... > So we are living in much the very same weather conditions as our ancestors did way back in the olden days. I have read a few accounts of droughts, floods and bush fires from the early 1800's, when farmers were 'charged' for starting bush fires, even though they didn't mean to. > > Dorothea MacKellar's poem MY COUNTRY sums this country up and every child in every Australian school HAD to learn to recite this poem. It was more a prayer to us than a poem. > > I love a sunburnt country, > A land of sweeping plains, > Of ragged mountain ranges, > Of droughts and flooding rains. > I love her far horizons, > I love her jewel-sea, > Her beauty and her terror - > The wide brown land for me! > http://www.dorotheamackellar.com.au/ > > I suppose now you'll send me a poem about Yorkshire Puddings>) > > Regards > > Regards > Ann Spiro > baskett@one-name.org > briggs@one-name.org > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett > Blacksmiths & Related Occupations http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com > > > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I spent yesterday pouring over microfiche at Northallerton. I have a William Kay of Knaresborough who was baptised 2nd October 1801, son of John and Elizabeth Kay. My William married twice, the second time after 1837, so from the certificate I know his father's name was John. John Kay married Elizabeth Inman on 27th October 1800. The IGI (I still have to check this out) has a baptism for John  baptised 4th December 1771 in  Knaresborough parents Esaias and Ann Kay. On the Hampsthwaite registers Isaias Kay of Bayldon married Ann Leeming 16th September 1770. witnesses were Thos Thackeray and John Medley. Can I assume the link as Hampsthwaite is not far from Knaresborough? I don;t think there will be a will to help me. Even more tenous Can I assume that Bayldon is now Baildon near Leeds (there is a Bayldon near Hadrian's wall)?  I have spent some time at the Brotherton library in Leeds copying the records related to an Esaias Kay who received charitable relief from the Knaresborough monthly meeting of the Quakers. He joined the Quakers in 1778. The Quakers kept the relief up for years until he finally died in 1819 when they paid for his funeral (£4.8.71/2d) However it turns out he lived in Rawdon and the dates are wrong too so this Esaias  was probably not mine. But Rawdon is not far from Baildon so could the 2 Esaias' be related??? Any thoughts and ideas appreciated Chris

Hi Mabel There is a john craig from Bradford living at 92 maperton road Bradford of the correct age he is a grocers warehouse man with wife of 1 year ada and a son Cyril possible ???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mabel Jowsey" <mjowsey@es.co.nz> To: "Yorksgen Yorksgen" <Yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:03 AM Subject: [YORKSGEN] Electoral rolls > Help! > > I know that I should know this but - > > How can I access UK Electoral Rolls for c1910/20? > I’m looking for Great Uncle John CRAGGS who would have been 30 years old > in 1911 but cannot be found in the census for that year. > The rest of his family was living in Bradford at that time. > > Hopefully > Mabel in NZ > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5136 - Release Date: 07/16/12 >

Help! I know that I should know this but - How can I access UK Electoral Rolls for c1910/20? I’m looking for Great Uncle John CRAGGS who would have been 30 years old in 1911 but cannot be found in the census for that year. The rest of his family was living in Bradford at that time. Hopefully Mabel in NZ

Mabel, can you give us more info on John CRAGGS.One of us might be able to find him if we know place of birth, wife, children etc. (He has likely been enumerated incorrectly) Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mabel Jowsey" <mjowsey@es.co.nz> To: "Yorksgen Yorksgen" <Yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:03 AM Subject: [YORKSGEN] Electoral rolls > How can I access UK Electoral Rolls for c1910/20? > I’m looking for Great Uncle John CRAGGS who would have been 30 years old > in 1911 but cannot be found in the census for that year. > The rest of his family was living in Bradford at that time. > Hopefully > Mabel in NZ

Dear all, I am delighted to report that there were no deletions because of bounced emails, several changes of addresses and 16 new submissions as follows: <http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/>ARNOTT BARDEN, BARNSLEY, BEAVER, BENTLEY, BERRY BEVER, BRUNYATE DAVIES GILPIN HERDSMAN MIDGLEY TAYLOR, TYHURST VITTY WATSON Happy hunting! Magdalena -- *MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS* YKS SURNAMES LIST Administrator ykssurnames@yahoo.com http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ -- AIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters --- http://aiic.net <http://aiic.net%20>

Many thanks Janice. Ann ________________________________ Hello Ann, The Ryedale Family History Group is currently busy transcribing parish registers and records for Helmsley. Also, I believe several members have connections with the Swales family there. It might be worth a look at http://www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org Regards, Janice Wood ________________________________ Hello List Catherine (Swales Ali) - are your Swales from Helmsley, Yorkshire? My GG grandmother Maria Briggs (nee Richards) married Dr. Edward Swales, in Sheerness 1885. I have copy of both Wills. Regards Ann Spiro briggs@one-name.org

Hi List Does anyone use Mozilla Thunderbird for ther e mail system in Windows 7. If so could you please contact me off list as I have a problem with the spell check when sending e mails. jlindley41@sky.com many thanks Regards John