For Steve I received a reply from our Cornwall library service to say the link for the 19th Century Newspapers has been reinstated (which I can confirm) I would expect that to be a global correction Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > On 13/08/2012 19:24, steve whitwam wrote: >> Can anyone advise me about the gale newspaper collection web site >> which I access using my kirklees library card. >> >> I've been using this for quite a while, but when I log into the site >> now I only get the "NewsVault" option and not the newspaper search >> where you can select a chosen paper. >> >> Is anyone else having problems with the site ? >> >> Regards >> >> Steve Whitwam >> Golcar, Huddersfield

Hi Margaret there's not much in the newspapers unfortunately... as for more info beyond the parish registers I'd look into land ownership. The West Yorkshire registry of deeds is at Wakefield archives (dates from 1704) and might have details of the land at Whinny Royd, and possibly details of the family if property was being sold or inherited. Unfortunately the info isn't online. http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/archives-wrrd.asp I also googled Whinny Royd... http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-446305-whinney-royd-farmhouse-halifax this could be the farmhouse they lived in... you can see the location on the maps and zoom in http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/details/default.aspx?id=446305 and a photo of the farmhouse http://www.dalesman.co.uk/familyq/w2.htm - a Woodhead descendant on here who mentions Whinny Royd In the newspapers - in Feb 1789 William and Robert Woodhead were among a large number of gentlemen, clergy and principal inhabitants of Halifax and the neighbourhood who held a public meeting and sent a message to the then prime minister William Pitt praising his " faithful, steady and spirited administration" and saying they hoped the King would recover from his current illness. The King then was George III who was mentally ill possibly with a genetically inherited disease called porphyria which causes hallucinations. He had been ill since the summer of 1788. The Leeds Mercury (Leeds, England), Saturday, July 23, 1814 Three closes of rich meadow, arable and pasture land, two houses and a six bay barn, stable, cow house, and other outbuildings, yard and garden situated near the church at Mirfield and adjoining Blake Hall, lately in the occupation of William Woodhead and his under tenants. The house is very pleasantly situated, forming a most desireable residence for a genteel family or a woollen manufacturer, having a never failing water spring passing through the estate and being close to the turnpike road from Wakefield to Huddersfield and the Calder and Hebble navigation. Mirfield and Northowram are about nine miles apart so this may not be your William - although he might have 1827 William Woodhead of Haley Hill, Halifax, an excavator was committed to York Castle on a charge of having broken into the house of the Misses Watkinson in Halifax with intent to commit burglary. He was discovered in the cellar by a gentleman who was passing late at night who attempted to seize him but he escaped. However he left behind his hat and that led to the constable identifying him. At the trial at York Castle they said he was 31, the premises were a boarding school and a Mr Staveley passing the school saw a light in the cellar between 1am and 2am. He climbed over the railing, the light went out and a man sprang from the cellar. Staveley grabbed him, they struggled, the man climbed over the railing and swung at Staveley with an iron bar and got away. They found a leg of mutton and two loaves in a bag ready to be taken away and the hat. Woodhead was seen the next day in a new hat, two people swore the hat found at the scene was his old hat and Staveley swore he was the man who came out of the cellar. He was sentenced to death. This guy would be born 1797 so probably not your Robert's brother but thought it was worth including because of the Halifax connection. The Bradford Observer (Bradford, England), Thursday, August 21, 1834 On Tuesday week aged 75 Sarah, relict of the late Mr Robert Woodhead of Whinny Royd, Northowram best wishes Jane -----Original Message----- From: mmarion@rogers.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:04 AM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com ; WOODHEAD@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] ROBERT WOODHEAD of Whinny Royd, Northowram I have been able to get my Woodhead family of Shelf back to ROBERT WOODHEAD, son of WILLIAM, born about 1752. Robert marries Sarah Ambler, May 9, 1774. He is referred to as ROBERT WOODHEAD of Whinny Royd, Northowram. Robert and Sarah have the following children: Hannah in 1775, William in 1776, Peter (my ancestor) in 1779, Ambler in 1789, Sam in 1791, Edmund in 1794, John and Tome (twins) in 1797 and Henry Alfred in 1800. I have two questions. Can someone do a look up in the newspapers about my Robert Woodhead of Whinny Royd. And my second question is, what resources can I use to flesh out more information on my Robert Woodhead. I have joined the Calderdale Family History Group. I have gotten the parish record cd's for Halifax and Coley church. I guess this is my brick wall. If Robert is not my brick wall, William of Shelf, his father, is most definitely. Any advice would be appreciated. Margaret Marion, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada ..... 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http://www.dalesman.co.uk/familyq/family_quest_index.htm Morning folks Just discovered that the Dalesman (Yorks publication) allows you to post family history queries best wishes Jane Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick – any variation, anywhere, anytime

Hello Do you need to be physically at an approved library to access the Gale collection or can it be done from home using a standard UK student library card? Thanks Niki In a message dated 14/08/2012 14:02:17 GMT Daylight Time, dml5481@hotmail.com writes: Roy and others Using your Lancashire library card access the newspaper database as you usually do. At the very top of the page there is a blue bar with "Preferences" "Change Databases" "Log Out" Click on " Change Databases". You will now see at the top Newsvault (with 17th and 18th century Burney Collection and The Time Digital Archive underneath). Click on Newsvault which brings up the new search platform which you can manipulate to your heart's content. For some strange reason inputting "Stockdill" only comes up with 3 hits. But if you do an Advanced Search putting Stockdill + Entire Document there are 85 hits. Lin

I have a birth cert for Freda HALL b 1915 Halifax dau Thomas Arthur and Hannah nee Spence. It is not the Hall/Spence family I'd hoped so if it belongs to anyone and they would like it- gratis- please contact me offlist at jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com Cheers Jean

I have a very large WAKEFIELD family in Yorkshire and would be very interested to know if the notorious murderer, Douglas WAKEFIELD, is connected. Douglas was born abt 1951 in Yorkshire but I have no knowledge of where. He, apparently, was the father of 2 children. He brutally murdered his uncle, Derek WAKEFIELD in 1973/74. I have found a great deal on google about his sex change while in prison and his marriage but have been unable to find anything regarding the murder. Does anyone have any info regarding this? I would appreciate any info. I would prefer that he isn't connected to my WAKEFIELD but maybe he is. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

 [snip] Showing someone waiting 4 or 5 days for a birth or marriage certificate to arrive wouldn't exactly make for rivetting television!   Roy Stockdill [/snip] And wouldn't we all like to turn up at an archive and an expert is there waiting for us who has already found all the relevant references for us to copy down! Of course, as Roy says, it all has to flow and be entertaining, and it does just that, and has raised the general awareness throughout the population for our passion. Perhaps the FFHS could inform us if membership numbers (across all member societies) over the last 10 years have risen, fallen, stayed the same?? Colin

--- On Wed, 15/8/12, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] wdytya and the errors creeping into the program To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 15 August, 2012, 23:26 >Hi Nita >I am quite sure they would have delved deeper into the interesting family she comes from, but there is only one hour to squeeze everything in and they do have to make it flow and entertaining >I suspect Samantha got to know a lot more than we did< Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) I have to agree with Nivard. Having myself taken part in a future programme (it's the one featuring John Bishop, the stand-up comic), I endorse what he says. The team start off by researching a particular line and if in the course of this something more interesting comes along they switch to that. I can't give too much away but this is what happened in the case of John Bishop. Moreover, we filmed for something like 3 hours at the SoG and I doubt I will appear for more than about 10 seconds! I had a chat with the producer beforehand and told him that some people in our world were unhappy that they sometimesmake it look all too easy. He agreed with me but the plain fact is that it's supposed to be entertainment for the mass viewing audience and not a specialist series for the likes of us.   Showing someone waiting 4 or 5 days for a birth or marriage certificate to arrive wouldn't exactly make for rivetting television!   Roy Stockdill Genealogist, writer & lecturer http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/

If I remember correctly there was an article about this school in Park Avenue in the Bunyan the EYFHS magazine. Victor On 15/08/2012 12:28 PM, Anne Peat wrote: > Industrial Schools were part of the Workhouse set up. Some of them provided education for children whose parents were in the workhouse, but they were also used like early approved schools for children who were beyond parental control, which seems to be the case here. She would have been discharged from the school before the time of the next census. The school would probably have tried to find her employment in service or in a factory somewhere. > > There was an industrial school for girls in Hull > Hull Industrial School for Girls, Park Avenue, Hull. The East Yorkshire Family History Society had a talk on it from a Kath Stephenson. I can't find anywhere any indication about whether records survive or where they might be kept. You could enquire from the EYFHS. > > I understand that employers sometimes changed the forenames of their servants, so have you tried looking for a Silverwood girl who is a servant in 1871? > > HTH > Anne > On 15 Aug 2012, at 11:56, Denise Light wrote: > >> I have an extract from a newspaper, The Hull Packet & East Riding Times, dated 9 Feb 1866 which gives me the following info: >> >> Hannah Mary SILVERWOOD, age abt 11, was brought up on remand charged with stealing sixpence, the property of her mother. She was to be sent to the Hull Industrial School until she attained the age of 15, & the mother to pay towards her maintenance. >> >> I seem to remember that this was one way of getting your child an education. Whether this was the case here I don't know. >> >> My problem is that apart from this article, and her birth in Hull in 1854, I know nothing about this child. I have been unable to find an 1871 or later census entry, a marriage or a death. >> >> She had two sisters and I have a birth certificate for one of the sisters Elizabeth, which gives her mother as Jane SILVERWOOD formerly NORMANDALE but again there is no marriage entry. The father on that birth certificate is Robert SILVERWOOD. In the 1861 census he was in gaol and in the 1871 census he is describing himself as single (he died a few months later) and I can find nothing about Jane and her three daughters although there is the possibility that Elizabeth died. >> >> Are there any records for the Industrial School. I have tried googling but they all seem to be for boys and/or much later. >> >> And if anyone can suggest anything I would be most grateful >> >> Regards >> Denise >> . > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Anne A very useful book to have ­ if you can afford it, or better still, persuade someone to buy it for you <g> - is The Workhouse Encyclopaedia, by Peter Higginbotham. For Hull Poor Law there is only one archive; Hull City Archives, Hull History Centre, Worship Street, Hull HU2 8BG (sorry, no telephone numbers!) One word of warning on the depository status ­ apparently the records are kept in volumes, and you can't gain access until 100 years after the last entry in the volume, so if your girl is on page 1, you might have a long wait before you can see what was said about her! Regards, Tony Upper Poppleton York On 15/08/2012 12:28, "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Industrial Schools were part of the Workhouse set up. Some of them provided > education for children whose parents were in the workhouse, but they were also > used like early approved schools for children who were beyond parental > control, which seems to be the case here. She would have been discharged from > the school before the time of the next census. The school would probably have > tried to find her employment in service or in a factory somewhere. > > There was an industrial school for girls in Hull > Hull Industrial School for Girls, Park Avenue, Hull. The East Yorkshire Family > History Society had a talk on it from a Kath Stephenson. I can't find anywhere > any indication about whether records survive or where they might be kept. You > could enquire from the EYFHS. > > I understand that employers sometimes changed the forenames of their servants, > so have you tried looking for a Silverwood girl who is a servant in 1871? > > HTH > Anne > On 15 Aug 2012, at 11:56, Denise Light wrote: > >> I have an extract from a newspaper, The Hull Packet & East Riding Times, >> dated 9 Feb 1866 which gives me the following info: >> >> Hannah Mary SILVERWOOD, age abt 11, was brought up on remand charged with >> stealing sixpence, the property of her mother. She was to be sent to the >> Hull Industrial School until she attained the age of 15, & the mother to pay >> towards her maintenance. >> >> I seem to remember that this was one way of getting your child an education. >> Whether this was the case here I don't know. >> >> My problem is that apart from this article, and her birth in Hull in 1854, I >> know nothing about this child. I have been unable to find an 1871 or later >> census entry, a marriage or a death. >> >> She had two sisters and I have a birth certificate for one of the sisters >> Elizabeth, which gives her mother as Jane SILVERWOOD formerly NORMANDALE but >> again there is no marriage entry. The father on that birth certificate is >> Robert SILVERWOOD. In the 1861 census he was in gaol and in the 1871 census >> he is describing himself as single (he died a few months later) and I can >> find nothing about Jane and her three daughters although there is the >> possibility that Elizabeth died. >> >> Are there any records for the Industrial School. I have tried googling but >> they all seem to be for boys and/or much later. >> >> And if anyone can suggest anything I would be most grateful >> >> Regards >> Denise >> . > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Not necessarily true Rob. It's easy for an enumerator to make a mistake with country of origin as I know from my own research where an ancestor is born in Ireland on one census then Sheffield on the next. The telling point surely was that the birth dates for Beatrice were the same. With so much going on it is sometimes difficult to squeeze all of the detail into the programme, so we get the drift of it in the alloted time. Cheers Frank from Bonnie Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Burns" <famh1story@aim.com> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:59 PM Subject: [YORKSGEN] wdytya and the errors creeping into the program > Did anyone see tonights show featuring Samantha Womack nee Janus? If so > the part where they found Beatrice heading to the US through Ellis Island. > Samantha didnt notice that Beatrice is shown on the Ellis Island entry as > being a US citizen so this leads to the question of sis her mother in fact > have anotehr child in the US whom she named Beatrice and that Bertha was > left in this country and died or who married later and all trace is lost. > This is not teh first time I have seen these miniscule errors creeping in > and the integrity of the program is now falling flat on its face > > Rob > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nita I am quite sure they would have delved deeper into the interesting family she comes from, but there is only one hour to squeeze everything in and they do have to make it flow and entertaining I suspect Samantha got to know a lot more than we did Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/08/2012 22:45, Nita Pearson wrote: > I was more interested to find out more about Pierre Francois Garraud and > where he died (which doesn't appear to be the UK) and also about Jessie and > Henry Finkle. They seem to be in the USA in 1930 when Henry is a producer > (cinema) but probably in Camden in 1922. I wonder if anybody then traced > Gertrude and Harry Finkle Jnr. to find out if Samantha has US relatives, > much like Bruce Forsyth found he had in his story. > Nita

I was more interested to find out more about Pierre Francois Garraud and where he died (which doesn't appear to be the UK) and also about Jessie and Henry Finkle. They seem to be in the USA in 1930 when Henry is a producer (cinema) but probably in Camden in 1922. I wonder if anybody then traced Gertrude and Harry Finkle Jnr. to find out if Samantha has US relatives, much like Bruce Forsyth found he had in his story. Nita -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 15 August 2012 22:25 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] wdytya and the errors creeping into the program Good grief Can't you just enjoy the program for what its worth ? I do despair at times I dare say that if I looked hard enough at *anyones* research I would find errors or inconsistencies, some explainable, others not I saw the episode and enjoyed it, I trust they employed people who know what they are doing and did I not expect them to rake over every flaw in the data and explain every single item as it would make for a very boring program otherwise Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/08/2012 21:59, Robert Burns wrote: > Did anyone see tonights show featuring Samantha Womack nee Janus? If > so the part where they found Beatrice heading to the US through Ellis > Island. Samantha didnt notice that Beatrice is shown on the Ellis > Island entry as being a US citizen so this leads to the question of > sis her mother in fact have anotehr child in the US whom she named > Beatrice and that Bertha was left in this country and died or who > married later and all trace is lost. This is not teh first time I > have seen these miniscule errors creeping in and the integrity of the > program is now falling flat on its face > > Rob ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good grief Can't you just enjoy the program for what its worth ? I do despair at times I dare say that if I looked hard enough at *anyones* research I would find errors or inconsistencies, some explainable, others not I saw the episode and enjoyed it, I trust they employed people who know what they are doing and did I not expect them to rake over every flaw in the data and explain every single item as it would make for a very boring program otherwise Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/08/2012 21:59, Robert Burns wrote: > Did anyone see tonights show featuring Samantha Womack nee Janus? If > so the part where they found Beatrice heading to the US through Ellis > Island. Samantha didnt notice that Beatrice is shown on the Ellis > Island entry as being a US citizen so this leads to the question of > sis her mother in fact have anotehr child in the US whom she named > Beatrice and that Bertha was left in this country and died or who > married later and all trace is lost. This is not teh first time I > have seen these miniscule errors creeping in and the integrity of the > program is now falling flat on its face > > Rob

I presume the researchers checked for any US births and the children would show in the US censuses. If a family turned up in New York with a number of children, would immigration actually check the nationality of each child or just believe the parents? Could also have been a case of ditto ... down the column. Presumably Beatrice would have had to travel back to the UK at some point. I wondered if they followed up the correction from Tinkel to Finkel on Ancestry to see if someone else had been researching the family. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Burns Sent: 15 August 2012 22:00 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] wdytya and the errors creeping into the program Did anyone see tonights show featuring Samantha Womack nee Janus? If so the part where they found Beatrice heading to the US through Ellis Island. Samantha didnt notice that Beatrice is shown on the Ellis Island entry as being a US citizen so this leads to the question of sis her mother in fact have anotehr child in the US whom she named Beatrice and that Bertha was left in this country and died or who married later and all trace is lost. This is not teh first time I have seen these miniscule errors creeping in and the integrity of the program is now falling flat on its face Rob

Listers may be interested in my latest publication in my "Famous family trees" blog at.....   http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2012/08/famous-family-trees-john-craven/ The subject is JOHN CRAVEN, well-known BBC TV presenter of "John Craven's Newsround" and "Countryfile". I got him back to his 4-x-great-grandparents in the parish registers of Calverley and Pudsey in the 1790s.   The PRs of Calverley, BTW, are online at a brilliant website,   http://www.calverley.info/   and the Craven surname appears there in the registers from around 1586, so John Craven's family tree may go back much further - but I didn't have the time or space to pursue it! Anyone who thinks they may be connected, feel free to contact me.   Roy Stockdill Professional genealogist, writer and lecturer http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/    

 I have been able to get my Woodhead family of Shelf back to ROBERT WOODHEAD, son of WILLIAM, born about 1752.   Robert marries Sarah Ambler, May 9, 1774.  He is referred to as ROBERT WOODHEAD of Whinny Royd, Northowram.  Robert and Sarah have the following children: Hannah in 1775,  William in 1776, Peter (my ancestor) in 1779, Ambler in 1789, Sam in 1791, Edmund in 1794, John and Tome (twins) in 1797 and Henry Alfred in 1800. I have two questions.  Can someone do a look up in the newspapers about my Robert Woodhead of Whinny Royd.  And my second question is, what resources can I use to flesh out more information on my Robert Woodhead.  I have joined the Calderdale Family History Group.  I have gotten the parish record cd's for Halifax and Coley church.  I guess this is my brick wall.  If Robert is not my brick wall, William of Shelf, his father, is most definitely. Any advice would be appreciated. Margaret Marion, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada

Did anyone see tonights show featuring Samantha Womack nee Janus? If so the part where they found Beatrice heading to the US through Ellis Island. Samantha didnt notice that Beatrice is shown on the Ellis Island entry as being a US citizen so this leads to the question of sis her mother in fact have anotehr child in the US whom she named Beatrice and that Bertha was left in this country and died or who married later and all trace is lost. This is not teh first time I have seen these miniscule errors creeping in and the integrity of the program is now falling flat on its face Rob

Industrial Schools were part of the Workhouse set up. Some of them provided education for children whose parents were in the workhouse, but they were also used like early approved schools for children who were beyond parental control, which seems to be the case here. She would have been discharged from the school before the time of the next census. The school would probably have tried to find her employment in service or in a factory somewhere. There was an industrial school for girls in Hull Hull Industrial School for Girls, Park Avenue, Hull. The East Yorkshire Family History Society had a talk on it from a Kath Stephenson. I can't find anywhere any indication about whether records survive or where they might be kept. You could enquire from the EYFHS. I understand that employers sometimes changed the forenames of their servants, so have you tried looking for a Silverwood girl who is a servant in 1871? HTH Anne On 15 Aug 2012, at 11:56, Denise Light wrote: > I have an extract from a newspaper, The Hull Packet & East Riding Times, dated 9 Feb 1866 which gives me the following info: > > Hannah Mary SILVERWOOD, age abt 11, was brought up on remand charged with stealing sixpence, the property of her mother. She was to be sent to the Hull Industrial School until she attained the age of 15, & the mother to pay towards her maintenance. > > I seem to remember that this was one way of getting your child an education. Whether this was the case here I don't know. > > My problem is that apart from this article, and her birth in Hull in 1854, I know nothing about this child. I have been unable to find an 1871 or later census entry, a marriage or a death. > > She had two sisters and I have a birth certificate for one of the sisters Elizabeth, which gives her mother as Jane SILVERWOOD formerly NORMANDALE but again there is no marriage entry. The father on that birth certificate is Robert SILVERWOOD. In the 1861 census he was in gaol and in the 1871 census he is describing himself as single (he died a few months later) and I can find nothing about Jane and her three daughters although there is the possibility that Elizabeth died. > > Are there any records for the Industrial School. I have tried googling but they all seem to be for boys and/or much later. > > And if anyone can suggest anything I would be most grateful > > Regards > Denise > .