From: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com> > Is it possible to search for an address in the 1911 census on > Ancestry?. The people who were there in 1901 may have died, I can`t > find them, and I was wondering who was at the same address. > > > > > >Thanks for any help > >George Carter in Whaley Bridge> Try using Findmypast instead! They have a facility in EVERY census for searching by person or address. The address search is immediately beneath the person search. You don't have to take out a subscription, you can buy pay-as-you-go units. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Is it possible to search for an address in the 1911 census on Ancestry?. The people who were there in 1901 may have died, I can`t find them, and I was wondering who was at the same address. > > >Thanks for any help >George Carter in Whaley Bridge

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Hi George Tried the newspapers to see if I could help: The Bradford Observer (Bradford, England), Monday, February 22, 1875 On the 20th at 3 Oak Villas, the wife of M von Halle, Esq of a daughter The Morning Post (London, England), Monday, November 22, 1897 On the 17th inst at the Synagogue, Bradford, Yorkshire, by the Rev Joseph Strauss PhD, Louis Joseph son of Joseph E Nathan, JP of Wellington, New Zealand to Betty? [the paper is curved here and not very clear] eldest daughter of Maurice Von Halle of Rouse Field, Heaton, Bradford. http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/26361/pages/96/page.pdf Moritz von Halle and the Nathan family mentioned here. Jan 6 1893 What if John and Margaret had split up and were living apart? She might call herself a widow rather than say she had been 'deserted' (or left her husband?) The other possibility - what happened to eight year old John in the 1881 census - could it be the watch was presented to him rather than John who was married to Margaret? good luck! Jane -----Original Message----- From: George Carter Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:33 PM To: Lin ; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] John Thompson & Von Halle family in Bradford Hi Lin, On reading your email again. I can see your point. I was a little tired last night, as you might have gathered. I think I`ve found Margaret, his wife in 1911, and she is indeed a widow, living on her own. But everything else fits so I am really puzzled now. I have found a possible, death for John in Dec 1902. It would be odd nearly 8 years later to present a watch to him and it has me puzzled, there no seem to be any likely candidates about. So I`m stuck at a brick wall now. I`ve checked the inscription and it reads. "To John Thompson, in recognition of his faithful services from Mrs Von Halle & family January 1910". It seems Morits or Moritz the head has died in the March quarter. Maybe all the servants were presented with something at this time. Perplexed and Puzzled, but fresh for further challenges. I`m hoping to get into my local library this afternoon but everything I`d planned to look for has gone pear shaped. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to let me have the information last night Lin. Hope you have luck with your own research. George. >________________________________ > From: Lin <dml5481@hotmail.com> >To: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com>; YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012, 22:05 >Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] John Thompson & Von Halle family in Bradford > . > >George > >I hate to dash your hopes, but don't think this is your John in 1901. > >From 1901 census Bradford, Yorks RG13//4158 folio 43 page 26 > >John THOMPSON 49, mar, coachman, born Donnington, Lincs >Margaret THOMPSON, 44, mar, Doncaster, Yorks >Emmiline THOMPSON, dau, 17, clog iron mender, Badford, Yorks > >(JohnWilliam married Margaret Beach STEELS in 1892 Manningham. He was a >widower, occupation, coachman, father James, a cordwainer) > >On 1891 census Manningham RG12/3633 folio 29 page 19 > > >Jas THOMPSON head, 68, shoemaker >JnoW THOMPSON, son, widr, 38, coachman domestic ,Dunnington on Bane, >Lincs, >Emmeline THOMPSON, , aged 7 born Bradford >Frances W THOMPSON, aged 10, born Bradford > >1881 census RG11/4462 folio 118 page 9 Manningham > >JohnWm THOMPSON. head, aged 28, coachman, born Donnington on Bain, Lincs >Charlotte THOMPSON, wife aged 25, born Lincolnshire >John THOMPSON aged 8, born Gt Grimsby >Frances THOMPSON aged 10 months, born Bradford > >John William was deceased on Emmeline's marriage in 1908.to George Henry >WEATHERALL so wouldn't think he would have been given a watch in 1910. > > > >Lin > > >PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX >FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 19/08/2012 20:34, George Carter wrote: > >With the help of Nivard, Ann, Maureen & Jean, I think I`ve found a pairing >of John Thompson and a Von Halle family who were living in Eaton Bradford >in 1901. The John Thompson was a Coachman Groom.(Thanks Maureen for that). >The only thing that has me wondering about the findings is that on todays, >map It`s about 3 miles by road from Park Drive, where the Von Halle family >were living and Canary Street, where John Thompson was living. I expected >to find him a bit nearer than that. Has anyone any experience of servants living away from the home of the employer in the 19th and early 20th century?. I know today it wouldn`t take long to bob from one address to the other, but it seems a bit far in the time before the motor car. I expected him to be close to hand. There is a possibility that the streets on todays map don`t correspond where they were in 1901 has anyone any local knowledge? Has anyone any thoughts on this. Thanks for any help. George. ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi George Moritz died as follows Probate Calendars 1910 VON HALLE Moritz of Rossefield Heaton Bradford died 30 January 1910 Probate London 19 March to Frances Von Halle widow and Lawrence Von Halle Oliver Whitehead and Louis Joseph Nathan merchants Effects £159,629 16s 7d Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/08/2012 12:33, George Carter wrote: > Hi Lin, > On reading your email again. I can see your point. I was a little tired last night, as you might have gathered. > I think I`ve found Margaret, his wife in 1911, and she is indeed a widow, living on her own. But everything else fits so I am really puzzled now. I have found a possible, death for John in Dec 1902. > > It would be odd nearly 8 years later to present a watch to him and it has me puzzled, there no seem to be any likely candidates about. So I`m stuck at a brick wall now. I`ve checked the inscription and it reads. > "To John Thompson, in recognition of his faithful services from Mrs Von Halle & family January 1910". It seems Morits or Moritz the head has died in the March quarter. Maybe all the servants were presented with something at this time. > Perplexed and Puzzled, but fresh for further challenges. I`m hoping to get into my local library this afternoon but everything I`d planned to look for has gone pear shaped. > > Thanks for taking the time and trouble to let me have the information last night Lin. > Hope you have luck with your own research. > George.

Hi Lin, On reading your email again. I can see your point. I was a little tired last night, as you might have gathered. I think I`ve found Margaret, his wife in 1911, and she is indeed a widow, living on her own. But everything else fits so I am really puzzled now. I have found a possible,  death for John in Dec 1902. It would be odd nearly 8 years later to present a watch to him and it has me puzzled, there no seem to be any likely candidates about. So I`m stuck at a brick wall now. I`ve checked the inscription and it reads. "To John Thompson, in recognition of his faithful services from Mrs Von Halle & family January 1910". It seems Morits or Moritz the head has died in the March quarter. Maybe all the servants were presented with something at this time. Perplexed and Puzzled, but fresh for further challenges. I`m hoping to get into my local library this afternoon but everything I`d planned to look for has gone pear shaped. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to let me have the information last night Lin. Hope you have luck with your own research. George. >________________________________ > From: Lin <dml5481@hotmail.com> >To: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com>; YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012, 22:05 >Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] John Thompson & Von Halle family in Bradford > .  > >George > >I hate to dash your hopes, but don't think this is your John in 1901. > >From 1901 census Bradford, Yorks RG13//4158 folio 43 page 26 > >John THOMPSON 49, mar, coachman, born Donnington, Lincs >Margaret THOMPSON, 44, mar, Doncaster, Yorks >Emmiline THOMPSON, dau, 17, clog iron mender, Badford, Yorks > >(JohnWilliam married Margaret  Beach STEELS in 1892 Manningham. He was a widower, occupation, coachman, father James, a cordwainer) > >On 1891 census Manningham RG12/3633 folio 29 page 19 > > >Jas THOMPSON head, 68, shoemaker >JnoW THOMPSON, son, widr, 38,  coachman domestic ,Dunnington on Bane, Lincs, >Emmeline THOMPSON, , aged 7 born Bradford >Frances W THOMPSON, aged 10, born Bradford > >1881 census RG11/4462 folio 118 page 9 Manningham > >JohnWm THOMPSON. head, aged 28, coachman, born Donnington on Bain, Lincs >Charlotte THOMPSON, wife aged 25, born Lincolnshire >John THOMPSON aged 8, born Gt Grimsby >Frances THOMPSON aged 10 months, born Bradford > >John William was deceased on Emmeline's marriage in 1908.to George Henry WEATHERALL so wouldn't think he would have been given a watch in 1910. > > > >Lin > > >PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 19/08/2012 20:34, George Carter wrote: > >With the help of Nivard, Ann, Maureen & Jean, I think I`ve found a pairing of John Thompson and a Von Halle family who were living in Eaton Bradford in 1901. The John Thompson was a Coachman Groom.(Thanks Maureen for that). The only thing that has me wondering about the findings is that on todays, map It`s about 3 miles by road from Park Drive, where the Von Halle family were living and Canary Street, where John Thompson was living. I expected to find him a bit nearer than that.  Has anyone any experience of servants living away from the home of the employer in the 19th and early 20th century?. I know today it wouldn`t take long to bob from one address to the other, but it seems a bit far in the time before the motor car. I expected him to be close to hand. There is a possibility that the streets on todays map don`t correspond where they were in 1901 has anyone any local knowledge? Has anyone any thoughts on this. Thanks for any help. George. ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks Colin & Janice: If it helps with the time frame, my John HUDSON was married in 1782 in Esh, Co. Durham to Hannah STOBART. They had children named Jane, Hannah, Elizabeth, John, William & George (twins), Thomas, Mary & Nancy (twins), James, Richard and Robert. I believe that John was buried at Chester Le Street in 1835 aged 77. Sorry no Ermintrudes or Bathshebas to make things easier. Best wishes, Irene

Hi Irene, I may be able to help, if it was Aireyholme. I know that the Hudson surname does appear in the Hovingham registers, so it is a possibility.  I will have a look at the as yet unpublished transcripts held by the Ryedale Family History Group (which is based in Hovingham), and let you know if there is a John Hudson baptised there in the right time frame. Best wishes, Janice Wood ________________________________ From: Colin Hinson <Colin@blunham.demon.co.uk> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Irene Marlborough <imarlb@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012, 23:18 Subject: [YORKSGEN] When spelling matters... Hi Irene, Aireyholme is in Hovingham parish, and so Janice (Wood) may be able to help you with this if if really was the farm, otherwise you will need to check in the Gilling West registers for Eryholme Baptisms. Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: http://www.YorkshireCDbooks.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My current research is for a man named John HUDSON who was a >publican in the parish of Chester Le Street in Co. Durham. I was >lucky that he baptised 3 children during the Barrington period (1798 >? 1812 or so). The 3 entries recorded that John was native of 1) >Yorkshire 2) Eryholme and 3) Aireyholme. > >So off to GENUKI where I find, to my dismay, that Eryholme and >Aireyholme are 2 distinct places quite a distance apart. Can anyone >suggest a way to help me discover which one was John?s birthplace. > >Thanks, Irene ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Lin, I really am going to bed in a few minutes. But before I go, I`ve just checked on the LDS site and although I can`t see the full information the Von Halle family are living in Manningham during 1891 where John Thompson is also. Which seems to cement the 2 together. Who is he? That`s a good question. His name is mentioned on a gold watch presented to him by the Von Halle family for his services to the family. This was presented to him in 1910, presumably when his services were no long required. My dad passed this watch onto me a few years ago, and just recently my mam, who knows I`m a right nosey beggar, asked me if I`d managed to learn anything about the man. So I`m embarking on a crusade to put a bit of a story together for her.  I`d assumed John Thompson had  retired when he`d been given the watch, but Nivard came up the fact that Moritz had died in 1910. This would make sense, maybe the business was sold or passed over to someone else in the family. I`d realised he wasn`t with the family in 1911 and havn`t found him yet, still looking, but no more tonight. I don`t know if this makes sense to you, hope so. But I`m really off to bed now. Thank you Lin, and everyone else for their help today.  Good Night. George. >________________________________ > From: Lin <dml5481@hotmail.com> >To: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com>; YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012, 23:11 >Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] John Thompson & Von Halle family in Bradford > >George > >There is no sign of a John THOMPSON with the family in 1911. > >Frances, widow and her daughter Nelly are enumerated twice - once as >visitors in St Pancras London and secondly in Bradford with the rest of >her family. > >Perhaps if you can give us more information regarding this elusive John >we might be able to find him.  When and where was he born? >Lin > >PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX >FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS >On 19/08/2012 20:34, George Carter wrote: >> With the help of Nivard, Ann, Maureen & Jean, I think I`ve found a pairing of John Thompson and a Von Halle family who were living in Eaton Bradford in 1901. The John Thompson was a Coachman Groom.(Thanks Maureen for that). >> >> The only thing that has me wondering about the findings is that on todays, map It`s about 3 miles by road from Park Drive, where the Von Halle family were living and Canary Street, where John Thompson was living. I expected to find him a bit nearer than that. >> Has anyone any experience of servants living away from the home of the employer in the 19th and early 20th century?. I know today it wouldn`t take long to bob from one address to the other, but it seems a bit far in the time before the motor car. I expected him to be close to hand. >> There is a possibility that the streets on todays map don`t correspond where they were in 1901 has anyone any local knowledge? >> >> Has anyone any thoughts on this. >> Thanks for any help. >> George. >> ..... >> Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; >> www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; >> www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >

Hi Irene, Aireyholme is in Hovingham parish, and so Janice (Wood) may be able to help you with this if if really was the farm, otherwise you will need to check in the Gilling West registers for Eryholme Baptisms. Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms: http://www.YorkshireCDbooks.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >My current research is for a man named John HUDSON who was a >publican in the parish of Chester Le Street in Co. Durham. I was >lucky that he baptised 3 children during the Barrington period (1798 >? 1812 or so). The 3 entries recorded that John was native of 1) >Yorkshire 2) Eryholme and 3) Aireyholme. > >So off to GENUKI where I find, to my dismay, that Eryholme and >Aireyholme are 2 distinct places quite a distance apart. Can anyone >suggest a way to help me discover which one was John?s birthplace. > >Thanks, Irene

Thanks for the additional census and marriage information Lin. I do appreciate the time you must have taken to put these together.  Why do you think this isn`t the correct man? It all seems to fit the same pattern to me at first glance,  or am I missing something? I`ve checked on the map I have and Manningham is about one and half miles north of Park Road, where the Von Halle`s were. I can`t work out the address for Manningham, but it doesn`t seem to be any further than the address in the 1901 census. Which I would agree, seems a little to far, but in the absence of any other person. I believe this could be the man. I`m leaving the puzzle alone now for tonight, it`s getting late, and maybe my I`m missing something. But I really appreciate the bits of information you`ve passed onto me. All the best. George. >________________________________ > From: Lin <dml5481@hotmail.com> >To: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com>; YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012, 22:05 >Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] John Thompson & Von Halle family in Bradford > > >George > >I hate to dash your hopes, but don't think this is your John in 1901. > >From 1901 census Bradford, Yorks RG13//4158 folio 43 page 26 > >John THOMPSON 49, mar, coachman, born Donnington, Lincs >Margaret THOMPSON, 44, mar, Doncaster, Yorks >Emmiline THOMPSON, dau, 17, clog iron mender, Badford, Yorks > >(JohnWilliam married Margaret  Beach STEELS in 1892 Manningham. He was a widower, occupation, coachman, father James, a cordwainer) > >On 1891 census Manningham RG12/3633 folio 29 page 19 > > >Jas THOMPSON head, 68, shoemaker >JnoW THOMPSON, son, widr, 38,  coachman domestic ,Dunnington on Bane, Lincs, >Emmeline THOMPSON, , aged 7 born Bradford >Frances W THOMPSON, aged 10, born Bradford > >1881 census RG11/4462 folio 118 page 9 Manningham > >JohnWm THOMPSON. head, aged 28, coachman, born Donnington on Bain, Lincs >Charlotte THOMPSON, wife aged 25, born Lincolnshire >John THOMPSON aged 8, born Gt Grimsby >Frances THOMPSON aged 10 months, born Bradford > >John William was deceased on Emmeline's marriage in 1908.to George Henry WEATHERALL so wouldn't think he would have been given a watch in 1910. > > > >Lin > > >PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 19/08/2012 20:34, George Carter wrote: > >With the help of Nivard, Ann, Maureen & Jean, I think I`ve found a pairing of John Thompson and a Von Halle family who were living in Eaton Bradford in 1901. The John Thompson was a Coachman Groom.(Thanks Maureen for that). The only thing that has me wondering about the findings is that on todays, map It`s about 3 miles by road from Park Drive, where the Von Halle family were living and Canary Street, where John Thompson was living. I expected to find him a bit nearer than that.  Has anyone any experience of servants living away from the home of the employer in the 19th and early 20th century?. I know today it wouldn`t take long to bob from one address to the other, but it seems a bit far in the time before the motor car. I expected him to be close to hand. There is a possibility that the streets on todays map don`t correspond where they were in 1901 has anyone any local knowledge? Has anyone any thoughts on this. Thanks for any help. George. ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

George There is no sign of a John THOMPSON with the family in 1911. Frances, widow and her daughter Nelly are enumerated twice - once as visitors in St Pancras London and secondly in Bradford with the rest of her family. Perhaps if you can give us more information regarding this elusive John we might be able to find him. When and where was he born? Lin PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 19/08/2012 20:34, George Carter wrote: > With the help of Nivard, Ann, Maureen & Jean, I think I`ve found a pairing of John Thompson and a Von Halle family who were living in Eaton Bradford in 1901. The John Thompson was a Coachman Groom.(Thanks Maureen for that). > > The only thing that has me wondering about the findings is that on todays, map It`s about 3 miles by road from Park Drive, where the Von Halle family were living and Canary Street, where John Thompson was living. I expected to find him a bit nearer than that. > Has anyone any experience of servants living away from the home of the employer in the 19th and early 20th century?. I know today it wouldn`t take long to bob from one address to the other, but it seems a bit far in the time before the motor car. I expected him to be close to hand. > There is a possibility that the streets on todays map don`t correspond where they were in 1901 has anyone any local knowledge? > > Has anyone any thoughts on this. > Thanks for any help. > George. > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

George I hate to dash your hopes, but don't think this is your John in 1901. *From 1901 census Bradford, Yorks RG13//4158 folio 43 page 26* John THOMPSON 49, mar, coachman, born Donnington, Lincs Margaret THOMPSON, 44, mar, Doncaster, Yorks Emmiline THOMPSON, dau, 17, clog iron mender, Badford, Yorks (John*William* married Margaret Beach STEELS in 1892 Manningham. He was a widower, occupation, coachman, father James, a cordwainer) *On 1891 census Manningham RG12/3633 folio 29 page 19* Jas THOMPSON head, 68, shoemaker Jno*W* THOMPSON, son, widr, 38, coachman domestic ,Dunnington on Bane, Lincs, Emmeline THOMPSON, , aged 7 born Bradford Frances W THOMPSON, aged 10, born Bradford *1881 census RG11/4462 folio 118 page 9 Manningham* John*Wm *THOMPSON. head, aged 28, coachman, born Donnington on Bain, Lincs Charlotte THOMPSON, wife aged 25, born Lincolnshire John THOMPSON aged 8, born Gt Grimsby Frances THOMPSON aged 10 months, born Bradford John *William* was deceased on Emmeline's marriage in *1908*.to George Henry WEATHERALL so wouldn't think he would have been given a watch in 1910. Lin PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 19/08/2012 20:34, George Carter wrote: > With the help of Nivard, Ann, Maureen & Jean, I think I`ve found a pairing of John Thompson and a Von Halle family who were living in Eaton Bradford in 1901. The John Thompson was a Coachman Groom.(Thanks Maureen for that). > > The only thing that has me wondering about the findings is that on todays, map It`s about 3 miles by road from Park Drive, where the Von Halle family were living and Canary Street, where John Thompson was living. I expected to find him a bit nearer than that. > Has anyone any experience of servants living away from the home of the employer in the 19th and early 20th century?. I know today it wouldn`t take long to bob from one address to the other, but it seems a bit far in the time before the motor car. I expected him to be close to hand. > There is a possibility that the streets on todays map don`t correspond where they were in 1901 has anyone any local knowledge? > > Has anyone any thoughts on this. > Thanks for any help. > George. > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

George I hate to dash your hopes, but don't think this is your John in 1901. *From 1901 census Bradford, Yorks RG13//4158 folio 43 page 26* John THOMPSON 49, mar, coachman, born Donnington, Lincs Margaret THOMPSON, 44, mar, Doncaster, Yorks Emmiline THOMPSON, dau, 17, clog iron mender, Badford, Yorks (John*William* married Margaret Beach STEELS in 1892 Manningham. He was a widower, occupation, coachman, father James, a cordwainer) *On 1891 census Manningham RG12/3633 folio 29 page 19* Jas THOMPSON head, 68, shoemaker Jno*W* THOMPSON, son, widr, 38, coachman domestic ,Dunnington on Bane, Lincs, Emmeline THOMPSON, , aged 7 born Bradford Frances W THOMPSON, aged 10, born Bradford *1881 census RG11/4462 folio 118 page 9 Manningham* John*Wm *THOMPSON. head, aged 28, coachman, born Donnington on Bain, Lincs Charlotte THOMPSON, wife aged 25, born Lincolnshire John THOMPSON aged 8, born Gt Grimsby Frances THOMPSON aged 10 months, born Bradford John *William* was deceased on Emmeline's marriage in *1908*.to George Henry WEATHERALL so wouldn't think he would have been given a watch in 1910. Lin PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 19/08/2012 20:34, George Carter wrote: > With the help of Nivard, Ann, Maureen & Jean, I think I`ve found a pairing of John Thompson and a Von Halle family who were living in Eaton Bradford in 1901. The John Thompson was a Coachman Groom.(Thanks Maureen for that). > > The only thing that has me wondering about the findings is that on todays, map It`s about 3 miles by road from Park Drive, where the Von Halle family were living and Canary Street, where John Thompson was living. I expected to find him a bit nearer than that. > Has anyone any experience of servants living away from the home of the employer in the 19th and early 20th century?. I know today it wouldn`t take long to bob from one address to the other, but it seems a bit far in the time before the motor car. I expected him to be close to hand. > There is a possibility that the streets on todays map don`t correspond where they were in 1901 has anyone any local knowledge? > > Has anyone any thoughts on this. > Thanks for any help. > George. > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

In the 1861 census Fanny RILEY aged 14 (actually 12 years & 2 months) was in charge of her 4 younger siblings in Doyle Street, Hook, Goole. There was no sign of her parents or older brother. Where were they? Edward (Edwin in the census return) RILEY was captain of a canal barge. He and his wife Mary, and 13 year old son Joseph, were at Barnsley many miles away. This was a real “eye-opener” to me and I couldn’t resist collecting all the vessels overnighting – mostly at the colliery wharves – in Barnsley. What an amazing sight and what hard work it must have been. Perhaps someone on the list will find a connection amongst them? Mabel in NZ 1861 Census – BARNSLEY 55 vessels with 179 people on board – 104 males & 75 females (some were small children) Many of them were at colliery docks loading coal Beevor Hole Colliery ? – 6 vessels “Thomas” – Stockwith – 60 tons – keel – Captain William WARE “Experiment” – Thorner – 70 tons – boat – Captain James WARD “Two Sisters” – Ferry – 60 tons – keel – Captain Thomas LEGGOTT “Ocean Bride” – Barton – 70 tons – keel – Captain Wilfra OLDRIDGE “Brunett” – Wakefield – 56 tons – keel – Captain Edward HALEY “Martha” – Stockwith – 45 tons – keel – Captain John ISLES Mount Osbourne – 12 vessels “Boatswain” – Sheffield – 50 tons - keel – Captain Joseph KNOTT “Annie” – Woursworth ? – 60 tons – boat – Captain Mary BOOTH (widow) “George” – Wakefield – 70 tons – keel – Captain George BYWATER “Bride” - Mirfield – 75 tons – keel, Captain John GLEDHILL “Resolution” – Louth – 70 tons – keel – Captain Charles CLARKE “Blessing” – Hull – 75 tons – keel – Captain David NAYLOR “Saucy Lass” – Wakefield – 90 tons – keel – Captain William MELLOR “Providence” – Sheffield – 56 tons – keel – Captain William SMITH “Wm & Hannah” – Hull – 65 tons – keel – Captain Joseph THOMAS “Peter John” – Hull – 55 tons – keel – Captain John FOSTON “Jane” – Hull – 40 tons – keel – Captain Joseph MOXON “Changed it” – Hull – 75 tons – keel – Captain Edward CUNDEL Barnsley Basin – 2 vessels “Friends Farewell” – Goole – 65 tons – boat – Captain Thomas POLLARD “Robert & Ann” – Lincoln – 70 tons – keel – Captain Robert READ Old Mill Basin – 3 vessels “Fanny” – Hull – 85 tons – keel – Captain Jonathan AINLEY “Providence” – Hull – 75 tons – keel – Captain John SIDEBOTTOM “Friendship” – Hull ? –90 tons - keel – Captain George TURNER Honey Well Colliery – 4 vessels “Wm & Mary” – Hemingfield – 65 tons – Keel – Captain William WALKER “Young Man’s Friend” – Sheffield - 55 tons – keel – Captain Valantine CHAPMAN “Neptune” – Clifton – 54 tons – keel - Captain Richard FINNS “Elizabeth” – Lincoln – 54 tons – keel – Captain Richard KIND Smithy Brig – 2 vessels “Sisters” – Goole – 58 tons – keel – Captain William FIELDHOUSE “Good Intent” – Louth – 60 tons – sloop - Captain John BRIGGS New Gawber Colliery – 6 vessels “Heffer” – Sheffield – 50 tons – boat – Captain Thomas FOX “Peel” – Sheffield – 50 tons – boat – Captain Joseph WHITELEY “Bee” – Royston – 57 tons – keel – Captain James ALLEN “Fly Packett” – Goole – 60 tons – keel – Captain George BOOTH “Three Brothers” – Goole – 50 tons – keel – Captain Henry WOOD “Priscilla” – Wakefield – 54 tons – sloop – Captain Garnet JACKSON Willow Bank Colliery – 4 vessels “Fanny & Rebecca” – Hull – 77 tons – keel – Captain Thomas JOHNSON “Imperial” – Sheffield – 55 tons – keel – Captain Peter LAWRENCE “Mary” – Saxleby – 60 tons – keel – Captain John HACKETT “John” – Hull – 75 tons – Captain George SUTTON East Gawber Colliery – 16 vessels “Forager” – Hull – 70 tons – Captain William THOMPSON “Lucks All” – Sheffield – 60 tons – Captain Thomas LAWRENCE “Mary “ – Edon – 50 tons – keel – Captain William SAYNER “Wm & Mary” – Barnsley – 39 tons – keel – Captain George Wright “Dove” – Sheffield – 60 tons – keel – Captain Joseph BISBY “Elizabeth” – Ferry – 60 tons – keel – Captain John KEIGHTLEY “Ann” – Castleford – 60 tons – boat – Captain Joseph APPLEYARD “Providence” – Goole – 75 tons – keel – Captain Thomas GOODARE “Quicks All?” – Barnsley – 65 tons – keel - Captain James HIRST “Two Sisters” – Castleford –70 tons - Captain William LOWTHER “Ellen” – Elsecar -60 tons – Captain Henry LEE “Jane” - Rotherham – 60 tons – Captain Samuel LEE “Friends” – Wakefield – 60 tons – Captain Peter BOLTON “Two Sisters” – Goole – 50 tons – boat - Captain Edward/Edwin RILEY “Caroline” – Goole – 40 tons – keel – Captain Joseph GOODARE “Ocean Bride” – Walkringham – 70 tons – keel – Captain Robert SUTTON

With the help of Nivard, Ann, Maureen & Jean, I think I`ve found a pairing of John Thompson and a Von Halle family who were living in Eaton Bradford in 1901. The John Thompson was a Coachman Groom.(Thanks Maureen for that). The only thing that has me wondering about the findings is that on todays, map It`s about 3 miles by road from Park Drive, where the Von Halle family were living and Canary Street, where John Thompson was living. I expected to find him a bit nearer than that.  Has anyone any experience of servants living away from the home of the employer in the 19th and early 20th century?. I know today it wouldn`t take long to bob from one address to the other, but it seems a bit far in the time before the motor car. I expected him to be close to hand. There is a possibility that the streets on todays map don`t correspond where they were in 1901 has anyone any local knowledge? Has anyone any thoughts on this. Thanks for any help. George.

A small addition to Annes post Moritz died in 1910 , could this be the reason the watch was given perhaps ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/08/2012 15:36, Anne Peat wrote: > George, Your ancestor does not appear to be witt this family in 1901 > > 1901 England Census about Moritz Von Halle > > Name: Moritz Von Halle > Age: 60 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 > Relation: Head > Spouse's Name: Frances Von Halle

George, Your ancestor does not appear to be witt this family in 1901 1901 England Census about Moritz Von Halle Name: Moritz Von Halle Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Frances Von Halle Gender: Male Where born: British Subject, Germany Civil parish: Bradford Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: 2 Park drive, heaton, Bradofrd Occupation: Cloth Merchant Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Bradford West ED, institution, or vessel: 67 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 44 Piece: 4163 Folio: 142 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Moritz Von Halle 60 Frances Von Halle 46 Lawrence Von Halle 27 Amy Von Halle 24 Maud Von Halle 21 Nelly Von Halle 18 Jack Von Halle 9 Kate Haentein 30 Clara Dale 28 Helen Brown 27 Kate Preston 21 Class: RG13; Piece: 4163; Folio: 142; Page: 10. They are still there in 1911 though Moritz has died 1911 England Census about Frances Von Hall Name: Frances Von Hall Age in 1911: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Moutreal, Canada Civil parish: Bradford County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street Address: 2 Park Drive Heaton Bradford Marital Status: Widowed Registration district: Bradford Registration District Number: 498 Sub-registration district: Manningham ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Piece: 26774 Household Members: Name Age Frances Von Hall 56 Lawrence Von Hall 38 Amy Von Hall 30 Nelly Von Hall 28 Jack Von Hall 18 Kate Haenlein 40 Charlotte Moses 34 Elizabeth Skipworth 28 Harriet Walkins 21 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 26774; On 19 Aug 2012, at 15:19, George Carter wrote: > Hello, > I wonder if someone would be so kind as to look up a Von Halle family who are in Bradford in the 1901 census. I`d be really interested in the family and in particular the servants if any. > I have a watch, given to me by my dad, which has an inscription, Given to John Thompson for his services to the Von Halle family and dated 1910, so he`ll probably be with them in 1901, hoping so anyway. > > My other interests in Yorkshire are the CARTER family who were in Barningham and Newsham in the middle of the 19th century, moving to Norton and then onto Gateshead by the turn. > Thanks for any help. > George Carter in Whaley Bridge. > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I wonder if someone would be so kind as to look up a Von Halle family who are in Bradford in the 1901 census. I`d be really interested in the family and in particular the servants if any. I have a watch, given to me by my dad, which has an inscription, Given to John Thompson for his services to the Von Halle family and dated 1910, so he`ll probably be with them in 1901, hoping so anyway.  My other interests in Yorkshire are the CARTER family who were in Barningham and Newsham in the middle of the 19th century, moving to Norton and then onto Gateshead by the turn.  Thanks for any help. George Carter in Whaley Bridge.

I suspect the OP Pam will be aware but notice there is a researcher on Ancestry who has quite a bit on Augustus including a photo Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > My relative, a German emigrant, Augustus Muller who married an English > woman, Susannah Roots was a chemist and raised his three sons to be > chemists. I understand the eldest son was in school away from the family. > Also, I believe the father was involved with the wool or cotton industry > because his sons made soap in the United States.