I have just posted to the GENBRIT list, in answer to a query, a little tip I learnt quite a few years ago now when researching at FreeBMD. Many listers may already be familiar with it, and I apologise to them for being boring (!), but some newer listers and novices to family history may not have discovered it yet, so I hope it may help them. This little trick I discovered can be very useful indeed if you have an unusual surname and especially for those doing one-name studies. Here it is..... When researching at FreeBMD, try this..... 1) Leave the surname field blank. 2) Enter into the first name field your surname of interest with either a plus sign or an asterisk in front of it - this is vital and either the plus symbol or an asterisk both work. 3) Select All Types and press the Search button. What you will get is a list of events (births, marriages and deaths) in which your surname of interest appears as a MIDDLE forename. To give an example, if I enter "+STOCKDILL" or "*STOCKDILL", I get the following results..... Marriages Sep 1844 COGHILL Robert Stockdill Leeds 23 371 Births Sep 1847 Firth Thomas Stockdill Hunslet 23 317 Deaths Jun 1863 Firth Thomas Stockdill Kirkstall 9b 145 Births Sep 1863 RIDOUT Sarah Stockdill Shaftesbury 5a 237 Deaths Sep 1873 Cooper George Stockdill 0 Leeds 9b 325 Marriages Dec 1883 Middlebrook John Stockdill Bradford Y 9b 101 Marriages Sep 1885 Ridout Sarah Stockdill Lambeth 1d 856 Births Jun 1893 France Robert Stockdill Bradford, Y. 9b 116 Births Mar 1896 Middlebrook Stockdill Dewsbury 9b 558 All of the above FreeBMD entries led me to research further and to discover why the people concerned had the middle name of Stockdill. Entering my principal GOONS name of STOCKDALE produced a far, far greater number of entries, as did entering my secondary one-name study surname of WORSNOP. Try it for yourselves! You may be surprised by what it can lead to, especially branches of your family you never knew existed. It works best, inevitably, with uncommon surnames. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

You've got it in one I think, Richard,   I found the two HEAPS on the 1861 census. Christopher born Pannal, aged 58, John aged 57, born Navrah? Park. Both living in the Leeds area.   The I.G.I. shows baptisms at the Call Lane Arian Independant or Arian Congregational, Leeds of: Christopher HEAPS     born  7 Nov 1802, bapt 26 Dec 1802, son of John HEAPS and Nanny John Knowles HEAPS born 16 Feb 1804, bapt 16 Apl 1804,  son of John HEAPS and Nanny   I imagine that a search of the newspapers may show if their cover up was discovered but I guess that they got away with it until now!   Maureen   From: Richard Tetley <richard.tetley@virgin.net> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 31 August 2012 3:20 AM Subject: [YORKSGEN] The real reason the pages are missing Hi, I've just checked through the whole section (enumeration district 24) that was done by this enumerator Christopher S Heaps. If you look at the summary pages at the start, it's obvious that he intended to fill in (or had actually used) 16 pages. It looks as though he somehow lost a couple of pages and then altered the totals to match the number of people that do appear on the pages that he actually had left. The evidence for his crime is in his own figures. His undoing was that he wrote in the summary that, for the workhouse, he had enumerated 31 males, 29 females. The actual numbers of people shown on the sheets for the workhouse (pages 15 and 16) are 15 males and 13 females. So he lost 32 people. (and some more from adjacent houses) When the overall totals didn't add up, he just reduced the overall numbers to match the sheets that he had left and fudged the result The crime was signed off by the registrar, John Knowles Heaps (any relation to the enumerator?). Presumably the superintendent registrar didn't look too closely at it either, and just signed off the ED. So, we'll never know who the missing 32 workhouse inmates and/or staff were. Even if the original enumerator's book was still around, I'll bet that the pages are missing from that! regards Richard ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you live in the London area, or somewhere within reach of the capital? Do you know that there is somewhere you can go, in London, to talk to people who are passionate about Yorkshire family history? The London Group of Yorkshire Family History Societies represents all the societies within Yorkshire. Whether or not you are a member of any one of those societies, you are welcome to attend meetings. Full details of venue and forthcoming meetings on the website www.yorkshire-in-london.co.uk In February, at the “Who Do You Think You Are? Live” Family history show at Olympia, London, the London Group have a stand with information from all the societies and archives in Yorkshire, plus several volunteers to talk to, who may be able to help with local information or even help you knock down some brick walls. Look out for the Yorkshire corner at Olympia, 22nd to 24th February 2013. Details on www.whodoyouthinkyouarelive.com Christine Willott, a member of the London Group and also several Yorkshire mailing lists, is organising the stand at Olympia for the London Group. Chris has asked me to appeal to all our Yorkshire friends. If you have a business in Yorkshire, or know someone who has, Chris is looking for sponsors to help finance the Yorkshire stand. The stand is run by volunteers for the whole three days and is a very expensive event to attend. Hire of space, costs of transport and parking, accommodation for volunteers and the collection of goods and information from all the Yorkshire socieities and archives, - all take time and money, and the group has very limited funds available. There will be a table for sponsors’ advertising and a competition with prizes donated by some of the sponsors. If you are interested, please contact Christine by email to christine@yorkshire-in-london.co.uk Janice Wood

Hi, I've just checked through the whole section (enumeration district 24) that was done by this enumerator Christopher S Heaps. If you look at the summary pages at the start, it's obvious that he intended to fill in (or had actually used) 16 pages. It looks as though he somehow lost a couple of pages and then altered the totals to match the number of people that do appear on the pages that he actually had left. The evidence for his crime is in his own figures. His undoing was that he wrote in the summary that, for the workhouse, he had enumerated 31 males, 29 females. The actual numbers of people shown on the sheets for the workhouse (pages 15 and 16) are 15 males and 13 females. So he lost 32 people. (and some more from adjacent houses) When the overall totals didn't add up, he just reduced the overall numbers to match the sheets that he had left and fudged the result The crime was signed off by the registrar, John Knowles Heaps (any relation to the enumerator?). Presumably the superintendent registrar didn't look too closely at it either, and just signed off the ED. So, we'll never know who the missing 32 workhouse inmates and/or staff were. Even if the original enumerator's book was still around, I'll bet that the pages are missing from that! regards Richard

The problem here is that the pages are missing but not the folio pages which goes like this Page 11 Folio 75 Page 12 Page 15 Folio 76 Page 16 So whether page 13 and 14 ever existed I wouldn't know after all I wasn't around then! For the record I have these pages on CD. Even Ancestry or FMP can't be at fault here Victor On 30/08/2012 7:33 PM, Richard Tetley wrote: > On 30/08/2012 18:27, Lin wrote: >> Hi Victor >> >> Do tell us where it is hiding. >> >> Lin >> > Hi Lin, > > Both Victor and I are looking at the same pages. Two of them are still > missing! To clarify a bit, I'm not talking about the pages as numbered > by Ancestry or can't FMP, but the actual pages numbers on the original > paper sheets. > > Having read a bit about the 1861 census, there are loads of problems > with RG09. In fact, whole parishes are missing entirely. Presumably > someone's nicked the paper copies. What it doesn't say is that there > might be odd pages missing as well. > > I've emailed WY Archives to see if they can shed any light on it. I've > also emailed Ancestry support to see if they understand the problem. > I'll set CFMP on it as well. > > cheers > Rich > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list members, Is anyone in touch with Kim Pasquill please? (BARRACLOUGH surname study), all her Email addresses are bouncing, If anyone has a current Email address for her, could they mail it to me off list please, Kind regards, John Woolsey (Bridlington)

For anyone wanting a taster of what FMP has to offer: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/radio-times/offer Lin -- PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS

On 30/08/2012 18:27, Lin wrote: > Hi Victor > > Do tell us where it is hiding. > > Lin > Hi Lin, Both Victor and I are looking at the same pages. Two of them are still missing! To clarify a bit, I'm not talking about the pages as numbered by Ancestry or can't FMP, but the actual pages numbers on the original paper sheets. Having read a bit about the 1861 census, there are loads of problems with RG09. In fact, whole parishes are missing entirely. Presumably someone's nicked the paper copies. What it doesn't say is that there might be odd pages missing as well. I've emailed WY Archives to see if they can shed any light on it. I've also emailed Ancestry support to see if they understand the problem. I'll set CFMP on it as well. cheers Rich

Hi Victor Do tell us where it is hiding. Lin PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 30/08/2012 18:25, Victor Markham wrote: > Sent image off list > > Victor > > On 30/08/2012 5:57 PM, Richard Tetley wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've been trying to find a relative (William Tetley) who may well have >> been in the workhouse at Holbeck in 1861. >> >> Checking through the 1861 census, I've found a page for Holbeck Union >> Workhouse that starts 'Holbeck Workhouse contd'. >> Unfortunately the previous page on both Ancestry and FMP, is not there. >> I assume that it has missed being microfilmed. >> >> In fact it looks as though pages 13 and 14 of RG09 piece 3363 folio 76 >> are missing entirely from the 1861 census. So, if you have relatives who >> lived in Holbeck Union Workhouse or in the very adjacent streets, then >> you may struggle to find them. >> >> Can anyone suggest a way of locating the missing pages? If neither >> Ancestry or FMP have them, then who has the master copy these days? Or >> is the master copy missing two pages? >> >> regards >> Richard >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ..... >> Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; >> www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; >> www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Sent image off list Victor On 30/08/2012 5:57 PM, Richard Tetley wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to find a relative (William Tetley) who may well have > been in the workhouse at Holbeck in 1861. > > Checking through the 1861 census, I've found a page for Holbeck Union > Workhouse that starts 'Holbeck Workhouse contd'. > Unfortunately the previous page on both Ancestry and FMP, is not there. > I assume that it has missed being microfilmed. > > In fact it looks as though pages 13 and 14 of RG09 piece 3363 folio 76 > are missing entirely from the 1861 census. So, if you have relatives who > lived in Holbeck Union Workhouse or in the very adjacent streets, then > you may struggle to find them. > > Can anyone suggest a way of locating the missing pages? If neither > Ancestry or FMP have them, then who has the master copy these days? Or > is the master copy missing two pages? > > regards > Richard > > > > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I've been trying to find a relative (William Tetley) who may well have been in the workhouse at Holbeck in 1861. Checking through the 1861 census, I've found a page for Holbeck Union Workhouse that starts 'Holbeck Workhouse contd'. Unfortunately the previous page on both Ancestry and FMP, is not there. I assume that it has missed being microfilmed. In fact it looks as though pages 13 and 14 of RG09 piece 3363 folio 76 are missing entirely from the 1861 census. So, if you have relatives who lived in Holbeck Union Workhouse or in the very adjacent streets, then you may struggle to find them. Can anyone suggest a way of locating the missing pages? If neither Ancestry or FMP have them, then who has the master copy these days? Or is the master copy missing two pages? regards Richard

I have found a book awarded to Columba Kelly in 1903 given to her by The Convent of the Holy Child, Harrogate. If anyone has Columba in their tree and would like the book please contact me off list and I will send it to you (postage costs only). Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SheilaCoy Sent: 30 August 2012 13:41 To: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com; YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Cc: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart I agree , far better then the previous one which seemed really bitty and unconvincing. Sheila -----Original Message----- From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:20 PM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Cc: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart I have just watched tonight's episode of Who Do Think You Are? about the actor Patrick Stewart, born at Mirfield in 1940. I don't think I have ever seen such a superb and moving programme in this entire series (and I mean all series ever since it started). Possibly Stewart being such a brilliant actor made it all the more watchable, however I thought the fact that the entire programme revolved around his search for the psychological truth about his war hero father - who was also in later life a violent wife-beater - was utterly compelling television. It just went to show that you don't have to take someone's ancestry back centuries and many generations to make family history utterly fascinating. Do listers agree? When I looked him up with Google I realised that Patrick Stewart was born just nine days after me! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree , far better then the previous one which seemed really bitty and unconvincing. Sheila -----Original Message----- From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:20 PM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Cc: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart I have just watched tonight's episode of Who Do Think You Are? about the actor Patrick Stewart, born at Mirfield in 1940. I don't think I have ever seen such a superb and moving programme in this entire series (and I mean all series ever since it started). Possibly Stewart being such a brilliant actor made it all the more watchable, however I thought the fact that the entire programme revolved around his search for the psychological truth about his war hero father - who was also in later life a violent wife-beater - was utterly compelling television. It just went to show that you don't have to take someone's ancestry back centuries and many generations to make family history utterly fascinating. Do listers agree? When I looked him up with Google I realised that Patrick Stewart was born just nine days after me! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: Richard Tetley <richard.tetley@virgin.net> > Although I enjoyed the programme, I found myself criticising them > for jumping to conclusions. > > From a newspaper report saying that he was suffering from shell > shock in 1940, they seemed to conclude that the reason he was a > wife-beater was all down to that. > > However, he went on to have much further involvement in the war, > indeed he volunteered for the paras and was promoted to RSM. That doesn'tsound > like a man who was suffering from shell shock, post traumatic stress > or whatever you like to call it these days. > > I think it is entirely possible that he was in a marriage that he > didn't really want to be in (he initially joined the army to try to escape > his responsibilities), and that he was happier in the army than out of > it. I think it's true that many men who fought in WW2 just couldn't adapt > to civilian life after all the excitement of wartime service. (Some of them > actually got a buzz out of fighting, and the camaraderie of being > amongst men). A man who had risen to the rank of RSM would be > accustomed to men jumping at his every command. Maybe he couldn't cope with a > wife and kids who didn't blindly obey him. > > I don't think that the programme actually drilled down enough to > find the character of his father (which is really what it was about).> I partly agree with you, Richard. To be fair, the programme did point out that Patrick Stewart's father joined the army very shortly after he learned that his then girl friend (Patrick's mother) was pregnant with Patrick's illegitimate older brother. That does indeed suggest he may have been trying to escape his responsibilities. Though I escaped serving in the armed forces myself, what I have read about the experiences of those who did has certainly taught me that often they find it difficult to readjust to civilian life afterwards. This seems to be still happening today, since we hear stories of some who served in Iraq and Afghanistan being unable to cope when they leave the forces and falling into crime and drug use, etc. The whole topic is very complicated and would probably need an army of psychiatrists to explain it! I also agree that perhaps a bit more digging might have been useful, but within the parameters of a 1-hour programme it is not always possible to show everything. I happen to know from personal experience, having taken part in a programme to be shown later in the series, that they spend weeks filming just to get an hour's television! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Roy, Although I enjoyed the programme, I found myself criticising them for jumping to conclusions. From a newspaper report saying that he was suffering from shell shock in 1940, they seemed to conclude that the reason he was a wife-beater was all down to that. However, he went on to have much further involvement in the war, indeed he volunteered for the paras and was promoted to RSM. That doesn't sound like a man who was suffering from shell shock, post traumatic stress or whatever you like to call it these days. I think it is entirely possible that he was in a marriage that he didn't really want to be in (he initially joined the army to try to escape his responsibilities), and that he was happier in the army than out of it. I think it's true that many men who fought in WW2 just couldn't adapt to civilian life after all the excitement of wartime service. (Some of them actually got a buzz out of fighting, and the camaraderie of being amongst men). A man who had risen to the rank of RSM would be accustomed to men jumping at his every command. Maybe he couldn't cope with a wife and kids who didn't blindly obey him. I don't think that the programme actually drilled down enough to find the character of his father (which is really what it was about). As with many of these programmes, I was left wanting to know more! I know that they can only fit so much into an hour, and there are limitations to how much research they can do with the resources available. Nevertheless, to jump to a handy conclusion is against my instincts. regards Richard On 29/08/2012 22:20, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > I have just watched tonight's episode of Who Do Think You Are? about the actor Patrick > Stewart, born at Mirfield in 1940. > > I don't think I have ever seen such a superb and moving programme in this entire series

Richard, You could try contacting West Yorkshire Joint Services archives@wyjs.org.uk They may be able to tell you if they are available and where Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Tetley" <richard.tetley@virgin.net> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: [YORKSGEN] 1861 census pages missing Hi, I've been trying to find a relative (William Tetley) who may well have been in the workhouse at Holbeck in 1861. Checking through the 1861 census, I've found a page for Holbeck Union Workhouse that starts 'Holbeck Workhouse contd'. Unfortunately the previous page on both Ancestry and FMP, is not there. I assume that it has missed being microfilmed. In fact it looks as though pages 13 and 14 of RG09 piece 3363 folio 76 are missing entirely from the 1861 census. So, if you have relatives who lived in Holbeck Union Workhouse or in the very adjacent streets, then you may struggle to find them. Can anyone suggest a way of locating the missing pages? If neither Ancestry or FMP have them, then who has the master copy these days? Or is the master copy missing two pages? regards Richard ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5235 - Release Date: 08/30/12

I agree entirely and at my more modest and less dramatic level, I have had to revise my opinion of at least two of my forebears in the light of my researches. One omission did strike me; no mention was made of any war decoration that Patrick's father may have received?   The whole series has got off to a cracking start and I am looking forward to Annie Lennox next week.   Adrian. ________________________________ From: "roy.stockdill@btinternet.com" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: "YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com" <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Cc: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2012, 22:20 Subject: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart I have just watched tonight's episode of Who Do Think You Are? about the actor Patrick Stewart, born at Mirfield in 1940. I don't think I have ever seen such a superb and moving programme in this entire series (and I mean all series ever since it started). Possibly Stewart being such a brilliant actor made it all the more watchable, however I thought the fact that the entire programme revolved around his search for the psychological truth about his war hero father - who was also in later life a violent wife-beater - was utterly compelling television. It just went to show that you don't have to take someone's ancestry back centuries and many generations to make family history utterly fascinating. Do listers agree? When I looked him up with Google I realised that Patrick Stewart was born just nine days after me! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 29/08/2012 22:21:13 GMT Daylight Time, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com writes: I have just watched tonight's episode of Who Do Think You Are? about the actor Patrick Stewart, born at Mirfield in 1940. I don't think I have ever seen such a superb and moving programme in this entire series (and I mean all series ever since it started). Possibly Stewart being such a brilliant actor made it all the more watchable, however I thought the fact that the entire programme revolved around his search for the psychological truth about his war hero father - who was also in later life a violent wife-beater - was utterly compelling television. It just went to show that you don't have to take someone's ancestry back centuries and many generations to make family history utterly fascinating. Do listers agree? When I looked him up with Google I realised that Patrick Stewart was born just nine days after me! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE.... Hi Roy, I totally agree with you. It was a totally fascinating story and so revealing for him about his father's war exploits. It explained to him his father's violence that he hadn't understood before JUDY ELKINGTON [North Derbyshire] www.elkingtonfamily.com Elkington@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Hi all I have just come across a letter (while on holiday in England) the letter to the wife of AB STEPHEN CHARLES SIENESI from his shipmate SID PRESTON informing her of his death. The letter in part says "Please Sid write to my wife and tell her what has happened to me" Both men were on the HMS Petard during the battle of Jutland, June the 1st 1916 when the ship was hit several time and 7 men died. the letter was sent to 17 Stanley Terrace Leeds to Gertrude SIENESI formerly WARWICK it appears that Stephen was born in Leyton Essex in 1883 it doesnt look as if they had children as they were only married in 1915 I quess it would be of major interest to any family out there or if not perhaps someone could suggest an alternative home for it regards Pete Broadley Yorkie down under ------------------------------------------ From: yorksgen-request@rootsweb.com To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com; Subject: YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 394 Today's Topi 1. Re: Off Topic - Scotlandspeople (Victor Markham) 2. Re: Off Topic - Scotlandspeople (Nivard Ovington) 3. Re: Off Topic - Scotlandspeople (Nivard Ovington) 4. Re: Off Topic - Scotlandspeople (roy.stockdill@btinternet.com) 5. Re: Off Topic - Scotlandspeople (Martin Briscoe) 6. RENDER family (macha) 7. Re: Off Topic - Scotlandspeople (Frank Turner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:11:31 +0100 From: Victor Markham <victor@markham.me.uk> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Off Topic - Scotlandspeople To: "Yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <Yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <503DCEB3.9040305@markham.me.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Lin Glad to see that I am not the only one who consider this rip off. As you said a credit is used to do a search and another five is used to view the results. If there were lots of results involving more than one page you have to use credits for each page you view. One also to be careful as when you view the results it leads to a page with a tick on inviting you to order the certificate costing 12gbp. I did order 2 marriage certificates without using credits to view. The least they could do is if you use credits to view then order the certificates they could have offered to refund the view credits. No such offer was indicated. Like I said I did not view but then knew they were the right people and as things turned out they were. I subscribed to the Glasgow mailing list (like Yorksgen) and posted what I was looking for. I got a shock when Nivard answered! Didn't know she was on that list and told her she was like a scarlet pimpernel being here, there and every where! Anyway I did get a reply from a very helpful lady and she went to the Glasgow archives looked up some details which she posted to me (I refunded her costs). She also did other things which I am not going to mention here but what she did helped me find what I was looking for. It was all in connection with the SCOULAR family. One can look for one of the Scottish mailing list and subscribe to that. I have got everything I wanted for this family. Well not quite. I would have liked details of the NELLIE family but a search on Scottish People revealed over 50 results which, as I said before, meant a number of credits per page view. However this family is not important so I declined to pay all these credits. Victor On 28/08/2012 10:05 PM, Lin wrote: > This is partly Yorkshire related as a branch of mine departed to north > of the border (how dare they! vbg). > > Does anyone know of a way of searching effectively Scotlandspeople as it > seems such a rip off to do a search, pay to view each page of results > and then pay to view the image without even knowing I've got the right > people as there doesn't seem to be a way of inputting place of birth > into the search engine and as to the 1911 census.........! > > Lin ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:26:58 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Off Topic - Scotlandspeople To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <503DD252.6080503@sky.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Victor I am sure it was just a slip but this Scarlet Pimpernel is of the same gender as the original (well the character at least :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I subscribed to the Glasgow mailing list (like Yorksgen) and posted what > I was looking for. I got a shock when Nivard answered! Didn't know she > was on that list and told her she was like a scarlet pimpernel being > here, there and every where! ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:55:01 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Off Topic - Scotlandspeople To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <503DD8E5.80806@sky.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi again Victor and Lin Although there are problems with scotlandspeople (its of the same stable as findmypast so no great surprise there) and extracting information from it, you do have to weigh up the pro's with the con's The census can be a pain to get to the right family in same cases but think back to how it could be done previously, the journey to Scotland or a paid researcher would be a whole lot more than buying some credits and searching from home The Pro's - if you are careful and use the free search to narrow down the possibilities you can get five birth, marriage or death registration (5 credits for five search results and 25 credits for five images at 5 credits each) and all from the comfort of your own home (as its 7gbp for 30 credits thats 1.40 per registration image, compared to 9gbp for an English cert) plus Scotlands registration system generally records more information than the English/Welsh ones (although it starts later in 1855) Using the census transcripts on Ancestry or Findmypast for 1841 to 1901 you can often narrow the people down to the right ones and then use scotlands people The Cons - the biggest problem is the stilted search engine which does not allow certain criteria to be searched for, clearly done to extract more revenue, although they deny that Later registrations can not be seen online (under 100 for births, 75 for marriages and 50 for deaths) but if you find one in that category you can use a researcher in Scotland who will transcribe the details for much less than a cert costs in England So there are two sides to it Anyone who is lucky enough to get to scotland can buy a day pass and view all they want to just paying for print outs Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 09:11, Victor Markham wrote: > Lin > > Glad to see that I am not the only one who consider this rip off. > > As you said a credit is used to do a search and another five is used to > view the results. If there were lots of results involving more than one > page you have to use credits for each page you view. One also to be > careful as when you view the results it leads to a page with a tick on > inviting you to order the certificate costing 12gbp. I did order 2 > marriage certificates without using credits to view. The least they > could do is if you use credits to view then order the certificates they > could have offered to refund the view credits. No such offer was > indicated. Like I said I did not view but then knew they were the right > people and as things turned out they were. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:55:30 +0100 From: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Off Topic - Scotlandspeople To: "yORKSGEN@rootsweb.com" <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <503DF522.19087.69BDA5@roy.stockdill.btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Anyone who is lucky enough to get to scotland can buy a day pass and > view all they want to just paying for print outs< A few years ago I was fortunate enough to spend a few days researching at the General Register Office for Scotland in Edinburgh and what a fantastic experience it was! Of course, my wife and younger son and I made a holiday of it as well, also my expenses were largely met by the fee for a subsequent article in the former Practical Family History magazine (which sadly folded at the end of 2010). I did a lengthy series for the mag on famous family trees and one of my subjects was our former MP for Watford who was a Labour Whip at the time. Although she was born in England, both parents were from Glasgow and I was unable to do everything via ScotlandsPeople because the newer records, as most know, have time limits on them. Therefore, I had to go up to Edinburgh. My words, what an eye opener compared with the GRO for England and Wales! The Scottish birth, marriage and death records are simply wonderful, even though they didn't start until January 1855. As Nivard says, after you've paid the daily fee (?18 at the time, as far as I recall), you could then see everything (including the more recent records) and get printout copies of BMDs from the registers for just 50p. You don't need to buy the full certificates because the registers contain everything you need to know. Scottish birth registers give not only the full names of the parents but the actual date and location of their marriage, so you don't need to go searching for it. The marriage registers give the parents of both parties (mother as well as father) and death registers also show the parenthood of the deceased. I know that within a couple of days I had got my MPs ancestry back to a full complement of gt-gt-grandparents, a number of whom had come from Ireland. It may be more convenient to use ScotlandsPeople online (and I have no intention to getting into the debate about whether it's value for money or not) but I would advise anyone with Scottish ancestry to go to Edinburgh and the GROS just once in their life. And, of course, Edinburgh is a wonderful city for a holiday anyway! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:27:28 +0100 From: "Martin Briscoe" <martin@mbriscoe.me.uk> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Off Topic - Scotlandspeople To: "'yORKSGEN@rootsweb.com'" <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <005101cd85d9$45c83ac0$d158b040$@me.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I forgot to mention earlier that Radio Scotland do a family history series occasionally, Digging up your roots. It is well worth listening to even for people outside Scotland because some of the things covered are of general interest. Their experts also look into a few queries from listeners. There is a bit of information on their website, during the series the podcasts can be downloaded so no problems with iPlayer for people outside the UK. The webpages for previous programmes still seem to be available. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rv8d If you subscribe to the podcast then you should receive a link when the next series starts, probably in the new year. http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/genealogy Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:40:39 +1200 From: macha <macha@callplus.net.nz> Subject: [YORKSGEN] RENDER family To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com, NorthEast <UK-NORTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <759C1EE7F72441D593D91C31E04095D1@your5139538146> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is Joyce Render still out there on the listings? I went to school with your sister Doreen. In NZ it is Family History Month and this week our local family history group is having an open week. This morning a lady came in who I was involved with. She was a Yorkshire lady herself, and still had a lovely regional accent, she had RENDER ancestors in the Leeds/Bradford area. If these may be connected to your family can you let me know and I will then be able to put you in contact with her (she had masses of 'stuff'). All the best. Macha ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:06:59 +0100 From: "Frank Turner" <frank@cyberscotia.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Off Topic - Scotlandspeople To: <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com>, "yORKSGEN@rootsweb.com" <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <80CC4EF3F259419F8FC9469B80DD92D0@turnersPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I would fully endorse Roy's appraisal of the GROS which is located at the east end of Princes St. in a magnificent building. A day ticket is undoubtedly the way to go and if you hurry you will just catch the tail end of the Festival as a bonus. The one snag is as ever, bring a brolly. Cheers Frank from Bonnie (soggy) Scotland My words, what an eye opener compared with the GRO for England and Wales! The Scottish birth, marriage and death records are simply wonderful, even though they didn't start until January 1855. As Nivard says, after you've paid the daily fee (?18 at the time, as far as I recall), you could then see everything (including the more recent records) and get printout copies of BMDs from the registers for just 50p. You don't need to buy the full certificates because the registers contain everything you need to know. Scottish birth registers give not only the full names of the parents but the actual date and location of their marriage, so you don't need to go searching for it. The marriage registers give the parents of both parties (mother as well as father) and death registers also show the parenthood of the deceased. I know that within a couple of days I had got my MPs ancestry back to a full complement of gt-gt-grandparents, a number of whom had come from Ireland. It may be more convenient to use ScotlandsPeople online (and I have no intention to getting into the debate about whether it's value for money or not) but I would advise anyone with Scottish ancestry to go to Edinburgh and the GROS just once in their life. And, of course, Edinburgh is a wonderful city for a holiday anyway! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the YORKSGEN list administrator, send an email to YORKSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the YORKSGEN mailing list, send an email to YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 394 ****************************************

Is Joyce Render still out there on the listings? I went to school with your sister Doreen. In NZ it is Family History Month and this week our local family history group is having an open week. This morning a lady came in who I was involved with. She was a Yorkshire lady herself, and still had a lovely regional accent, she had RENDER ancestors in the Leeds/Bradford area. If these may be connected to your family can you let me know and I will then be able to put you in contact with her (she had masses of 'stuff'). All the best. Macha