i'd heard about the michael parkinson situation myself. as i've said, i did find the prog interesting but not as an ancestry programme. as for researching him myself, it did occur to me to have a go actually. when will you be on the prog then? i'm watching them all so will obviously see you. that'll be great trqace ----- Original Message ----- From: <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > From: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com> > >> i was starting to think it was just me!! >> >> the information given was very interesting but as a family history >> programme it was rubbish. >> >> trace> > > If you are really that keen on knowing more about Patrick Stewart's > ancestry beyond his > father, then what's to prevent you from tracing it yourself? All the > necessary data is there > online at FreeBMD, the GRO births, marriages and deaths indexes at > Ancestry and/or > Findmypast and the census returns. I bet I could do it in half a day! > > Stewart has a lengthy Wikipedia entry that gives his precise birth date > (13 July 1940) and the > names of his parents, Alfred Stewart and Gladys Barrowclough who were > married at > Dewsbury in 1933 when Patrick's elder brother Geoffrey was already 8 years > old (as was > mentioned in the programme). You should be able to find both Alfred and > Gladys in the 1911 > census and take it from there. You might actually enjoy doing it yourself! > > Having myself been involved in an episode of WDYTYA? (subject the comedian > John > Bishop, to be shown at a later date), I know how the team works. They > follow what they > believe to be the best story and also with regard to what the subject > themselves wants to > know. In Patrick Stewart's case this was obviously the truth about his > father, which I > personally (and others) found fascinating. > > I happen to know that they were doing Michael Parkinson at one stage in an > earlier series but > abandoned him because they couldn't find a single interesting story in his > entire ancestry. > "Parkie" was quite p - - d off about it apparently. They also abandoned > another mega name, > June Whitfield, because at the preliminary meeting she turned up with a > large cardbod box > full of files that contained her family history because she'd done it all > herself - something the > WDYTYA? team won't accept. You have to understand the exigencies and > demands of > television which I do, having been involved in one or two programmes > myself. Above all, it is > meant to be ENTERTAINMENT for the ordinary viewers and not meant for > grumpy, > demanding family historians like us !!! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

oh sorry!! may be we should have put spoiler alert in the sub line!! trace ----- Original Message ----- From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT To: Spring Flower ; famh1story@aol.com ; yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com ; Richard Tetley ; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart I had hoped that this thread would not persist. Please spare a thought for those of us that chose to watch the opening ceremony of the Paraolympics and intend to watch missed programmes on the i player. Thank you Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Spring Flower <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com> To: famh1story@aol.com; yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com; Richard Tetley <richard.tetley@virgin.net>; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2012, 10:59 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart very true but to me that's not family history, learning about just one person does not a family tree make trace ----- Original Message ----- From: <famh1story@aol.com> To: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com>; <yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com>; "Richard Tetley" <richard.tetley@virgin.net>; <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > Was best prog they ever did. Showed how much info about one person can be > discovered. You want more do it yourself > > Rob > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com> > Sender: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:39:14 > To: Richard Tetley<richard.tetley@virgin.net>; <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > > i personally thought it was the worst ever episode of who do you think > youare, i know we like to fleshout the bones of ourancestors but that > wasn't > family history research at all it was just a documentary about patrick > stewart's dad. i was really looking forward to it too as i'm a bit of a > trekkie!! > > trace > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Tetley" <richard.tetley@virgin.net> > To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > > >> Roy, >> >> Although I enjoyed the programme, I found myself criticising them for >> jumping to conclusions. >> >> From a newspaper report saying that he was suffering from shell shock >> in 1940, they seemed to conclude that the reason he was a wife-beater >> was all down to that. >> >> However, he went on to have much further involvement in the war, indeed >> he volunteered for the paras and was promoted to RSM. That doesn't sound >> like a man who was suffering from shell shock, post traumatic stress or >> whatever you like to call it these days. >> >> I think it is entirely possible that he was in a marriage that he didn't >> really want to be in (he initially joined the army to try to escape his >> responsibilities), and that he was happier in the army than out of it. I >> think it's true that many men who fought in WW2 just couldn't adapt to >> civilian life after all the excitement of wartime service. (Some of them >> actually got a buzz out of fighting, and the camaraderie of being >> amongst men). A man who had risen to the rank of RSM would be accustomed >> to men jumping at his every command. Maybe he couldn't cope with a wife >> and kids who didn't blindly obey him. >> >> I don't think that the programme actually drilled down enough to find >> the character of his father (which is really what it was about). >> >> As with many of these programmes, I was left wanting to know more! I >> know that they can only fit so much into an hour, and there are >> limitations to how much research they can do with the resources >> available. Nevertheless, to jump to a handy conclusion is against my >> instincts. >> >> regards >> Richard >> >> >> On 29/08/2012 22:20, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >>> I have just watched tonight's episode of Who Do Think You Are? about the >>> actor Patrick >>> Stewart, born at Mirfield in 1940. >>> >>> I don't think I have ever seen such a superb and moving programme in >>> this >>> entire series >> >> ..... >> Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; >> www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; >> www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

i'll certainly give it a go., thanks trace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bowne" <acbowne1@yahoo.com> To: <yorksgen-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 12:39 AM Subject: [YORKSGEN] Patrick Stewart info go to http://www.wikipedia.org/ type in patrick stewart ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "deb walker" <deb.m.walker@ntlworld.com> > If anyone is particularly interested in knowing more about Patrick > Stewart's BARRACLOUGH ancestry (his Mother's family) I can certainly help as I > have a big tree of all the Mirfield Barracloughs going back to the 1700s. > My great great granny and his great granddad were siblings. > > Deb > > Mirfield WRY> Patrick Stewart's mother's maiden surname was actually BARROWCLOUGH but as we all know, surnames change in spelling don't they? Very interesting, Deb. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Irene, They are indeed available, and have been for some time. The site is www.origins.net. Subscription site, of course, so costs involved again, but this site also has the Yorkshire Wills Indexes and is, therefore, worth having. Regards, Janice Wood ________________________________ From: Irene Marlborough <imarlb@sbcglobal.net> To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2012, 17:57 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Marriage Bonds & Allegations I thought I remembered discussion about the Archdiocese of York’s marriage bonds & allegations being available on line soon. Was this wishful thinking on my part? If it’s true, then does anyone know of the progress of this project? Best wishes, Irene ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning everyone.  I am still trying to sort out the baptism of Ann KNIGHT who married Thomas BEARPARK in Finghall in 1827. I ordered the film and got a copy of the marriage "certificate"  and it states that they were both "of this parish". Now I do realise that this might not be the case but I am working through possibilities so if someone is going to Northallerton and could squeeze in a look up for me I would be very grateful. She was born about 1802 (give/take 3 years) according to census and her death notice.  Like I said, I ordered the film in and there a huge gap from 1799 to about 1825.....typical......I've just checked to see if there are any other filmings and there aren't. I've been searching for details of Ann and her parents etc for about 10 years now so surely I am due for a breakthrough soon!!! Many tia's ttfn Trish Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW, Oz

go to http://www.wikipedia.org/   type in patrick stewart

I had hoped that this thread would not persist. Please spare a thought for those of us that chose to watch the opening ceremony of the Paraolympics and intend to watch missed programmes on the i player. Thank you Chris ________________________________ From: Spring Flower <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com> To: famh1story@aol.com; yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com; Richard Tetley <richard.tetley@virgin.net>; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2012, 10:59 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart very true but to me that's not family history, learning about just one person does not a family tree make trace ----- Original Message ----- From: <famh1story@aol.com> To: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com>; <yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com>; "Richard Tetley" <richard.tetley@virgin.net>; <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > Was best prog they ever did. Showed how much info about one person can be > discovered. You want more do it yourself > > Rob > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com> > Sender: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:39:14 > To: Richard Tetley<richard.tetley@virgin.net>; <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > > i personally thought it was the worst ever episode of who do you think > youare, i know we like to fleshout the bones of ourancestors but that > wasn't > family history research at all it was just a documentary about patrick > stewart's dad.  i was really looking forward to it too as i'm a bit of a > trekkie!! > > trace > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Tetley" <richard.tetley@virgin.net> > To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > > >> Roy, >> >> Although I enjoyed the programme, I found myself criticising them for >> jumping to conclusions. >> >> From a newspaper report saying that he was suffering from shell shock >> in 1940, they seemed to conclude that the reason he was a wife-beater >> was all down to that. >> >> However, he went on to have much further involvement in the war, indeed >> he volunteered for the paras and was promoted to RSM. That doesn't sound >> like a man who was suffering from shell shock, post traumatic stress or >> whatever you like to call it these days. >> >> I think it is entirely possible that he was in a marriage that he didn't >> really want to be in (he initially joined the army to try to escape his >> responsibilities), and that he was happier in the army than out of it. I >> think it's true that many men who fought in WW2 just couldn't adapt to >> civilian life after all the excitement of wartime service. (Some of them >> actually got a buzz out of fighting, and the camaraderie of being >> amongst men). A man who had risen to the rank of RSM would be accustomed >> to men jumping at his every command. Maybe he couldn't cope with a wife >> and kids who didn't blindly obey him. >> >> I don't think that the programme actually drilled down enough to find >> the character of his father (which is really what it was about). >> >> As with many of these programmes, I was left wanting to know more! I >> know that they can only fit so much into an hour, and there are >> limitations to how much research they can do with the resources >> available. Nevertheless, to jump to a handy conclusion is against my >> instincts. >> >> regards >> Richard >> >> >> On 29/08/2012 22:20, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >>> I have just watched tonight's episode of Who Do Think You Are? about the >>> actor Patrick >>> Stewart, born at Mirfield in 1940. >>> >>> I don't think I have ever seen such a superb and moving programme in >>> this >>> entire series >> >> ..... >> Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; >> www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; >> www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all If anyone is particularly interested in knowing more about Patrick Stewart's BARRACLOUGH ancestry (his Mother's family) I can certainly help as I have a big tree of all the Mirfield Barracloughs going back to the 1700s. My great great granny and his great granddad were siblings. Deb Mirfield WRY

Thanks, Janice. Having just shelled out almost £80 for a “The Genelaogist” sub to get the non-Conformist registers – with not much to show for it either, I’m gutted to find out that my money would have been better spent on an Origins sub. Sigh! C’est la vie! Best wishes, Irene

I thought I remembered discussion about the Archdiocese of York’s marriage bonds & allegations being available on line soon. Was this wishful thinking on my part? If it’s true, then does anyone know of the progress of this project? Best wishes, Irene

From: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com> > i was starting to think it was just me!! > > the information given was very interesting but as a family history > programme it was rubbish. > > trace> If you are really that keen on knowing more about Patrick Stewart's ancestry beyond his father, then what's to prevent you from tracing it yourself? All the necessary data is there online at FreeBMD, the GRO births, marriages and deaths indexes at Ancestry and/or Findmypast and the census returns. I bet I could do it in half a day! Stewart has a lengthy Wikipedia entry that gives his precise birth date (13 July 1940) and the names of his parents, Alfred Stewart and Gladys Barrowclough who were married at Dewsbury in 1933 when Patrick's elder brother Geoffrey was already 8 years old (as was mentioned in the programme). You should be able to find both Alfred and Gladys in the 1911 census and take it from there. You might actually enjoy doing it yourself! Having myself been involved in an episode of WDYTYA? (subject the comedian John Bishop, to be shown at a later date), I know how the team works. They follow what they believe to be the best story and also with regard to what the subject themselves wants to know. In Patrick Stewart's case this was obviously the truth about his father, which I personally (and others) found fascinating. I happen to know that they were doing Michael Parkinson at one stage in an earlier series but abandoned him because they couldn't find a single interesting story in his entire ancestry. "Parkie" was quite p - - d off about it apparently. They also abandoned another mega name, June Whitfield, because at the preliminary meeting she turned up with a large cardbod box full of files that contained her family history because she'd done it all herself - something the WDYTYA? team won't accept. You have to understand the exigencies and demands of television which I do, having been involved in one or two programmes myself. Above all, it is meant to be ENTERTAINMENT for the ordinary viewers and not meant for grumpy, demanding family historians like us !!! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

very true but to me that's not family history, learning about just one person does not a family tree make trace ----- Original Message ----- From: <famh1story@aol.com> To: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com>; <yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com>; "Richard Tetley" <richard.tetley@virgin.net>; <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > Was best prog they ever did. Showed how much info about one person can be > discovered. You want more do it yourself > > Rob > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com> > Sender: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:39:14 > To: Richard Tetley<richard.tetley@virgin.net>; <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > > i personally thought it was the worst ever episode of who do you think > youare, i know we like to fleshout the bones of ourancestors but that > wasn't > family history research at all it was just a documentary about patrick > stewart's dad. i was really looking forward to it too as i'm a bit of a > trekkie!! > > trace > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Tetley" <richard.tetley@virgin.net> > To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > > >> Roy, >> >> Although I enjoyed the programme, I found myself criticising them for >> jumping to conclusions. >> >> From a newspaper report saying that he was suffering from shell shock >> in 1940, they seemed to conclude that the reason he was a wife-beater >> was all down to that. >> >> However, he went on to have much further involvement in the war, indeed >> he volunteered for the paras and was promoted to RSM. That doesn't sound >> like a man who was suffering from shell shock, post traumatic stress or >> whatever you like to call it these days. >> >> I think it is entirely possible that he was in a marriage that he didn't >> really want to be in (he initially joined the army to try to escape his >> responsibilities), and that he was happier in the army than out of it. I >> think it's true that many men who fought in WW2 just couldn't adapt to >> civilian life after all the excitement of wartime service. (Some of them >> actually got a buzz out of fighting, and the camaraderie of being >> amongst men). A man who had risen to the rank of RSM would be accustomed >> to men jumping at his every command. Maybe he couldn't cope with a wife >> and kids who didn't blindly obey him. >> >> I don't think that the programme actually drilled down enough to find >> the character of his father (which is really what it was about). >> >> As with many of these programmes, I was left wanting to know more! I >> know that they can only fit so much into an hour, and there are >> limitations to how much research they can do with the resources >> available. Nevertheless, to jump to a handy conclusion is against my >> instincts. >> >> regards >> Richard >> >> >> On 29/08/2012 22:20, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >>> I have just watched tonight's episode of Who Do Think You Are? about the >>> actor Patrick >>> Stewart, born at Mirfield in 1940. >>> >>> I don't think I have ever seen such a superb and moving programme in >>> this >>> entire series >> >> ..... >> Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; >> www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; >> www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

i was starting to think it was just me!! the information given was very interesting but as a family history programme it was rubbish. trace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mollie" <molliemln@yahoo.co.uk> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart I agree with Trace on this. I was very disappointed with this particular "episode". Takes all kinds I suppose! (VBG!) Mollie ________________________________ From: Spring Flower <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com> To: Richard Tetley <richard.tetley@virgin.net>; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 31 August 2012, 14:39 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart i personally thought it was the worst ever episode of who do you think youare, i know we like to fleshout the bones of ourancestors but that wasn't family history research at all it was just a documentary about patrick stewart's dad. i was really looking forward to it too as i'm a bit of a trekkie!! trace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Tetley" <richard.tetley@virgin.net> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > Roy, > > Although I enjoyed the programme, I found myself criticising them for > jumping to conclusions. > > From a newspaper report saying that he was suffering from shell shock > in 1940, they seemed to conclude that the reason he was a wife-beater > was all down to that. > > However, he went on to have much further involvement in the war, indeed > he volunteered for the paras and was promoted to RSM. That doesn't sound > like a man who was suffering from shell shock, post traumatic stress or > whatever you like to call it these days. > > I think it is entirely possible that he was in a marriage that he didn't > really want to be in (he initially joined the army to try to escape his > responsibilities), and that he was happier in the army than out of it. I > think it's true that many men who fought in WW2 just couldn't adapt to > civilian life after all the excitement of wartime service. (Some of them > actually got a buzz out of fighting, and the camaraderie of being > amongst men). A man who had risen to the rank of RSM would be accustomed > to men jumping at his every command. Maybe he couldn't cope with a wife > and kids who didn't blindly obey him. > > I don't think that the programme actually drilled down enough to find > the character of his father (which is really what it was about). > > As with many of these programmes, I was left wanting to know more! I > know that they can only fit so much into an hour, and there are > limitations to how much research they can do with the resources > available. Nevertheless, to jump to a handy conclusion is against my > instincts. > > regards > Richard > > > On 29/08/2012 22:20, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >> I have just watched tonight's episode of Who Do Think You Are? about the >> actor Patrick >> Stewart, born at Mirfield in 1940. >> >> I don't think I have ever seen such a superb and moving programme in this >> entire series > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

data would be the most shocking i think lol don't get me wrong, i enjoyed the programme but i honestly think he should have investigated some more of his ancestors, it was more of a documentary about his dad rather than a family history prog. trace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Rogers" <brad@fineby.me.uk> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:39:14 +0100 > "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com> wrote: > > Hello Spring, > >>i was really looking forward to it too as i'm a bit of a >>trekkie!! > > What were you expecting? Sir Patrick to be related to Worf > somehow? Or Data, perhaps? :-)) > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > I'm surfing on a wave of nostalgia for an age yet to come > Nostalgia - Buzzcocks > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 31/08/2012 21:04:47 GMT Daylight Time, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com writes: Many, many, many congratulations to HANNAH COCKROFT from Halifax who won Britain's first gold medal tonight in the London Para Olympics in the wheelchair 100 metres, What a girl! -- Roy Stockdill Hi all, I agree with great congratulations to HANNAH COCKCROFT. I also applaud the other Para Olympians for their great courage and fortitude. Despite some awful disabilities they have taken part and won. JUDY ELKINGTON [North Derbyshire] _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elkingtonfamily.com/) Elkington@rootsweb.com _www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html_ (http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html)

Many, many, many congratulations to HANNAH COCKROFT from Halifax who won Britain's first gold medal tonight in the London Para Olympics in the wheelchair 100 metres, What a girl! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:39:14 +0100 "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com> wrote: Hello Spring, >i was really looking forward to it too as i'm a bit of a >trekkie!! What were you expecting? Sir Patrick to be related to Worf somehow? Or Data, perhaps? :-)) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'm surfing on a wave of nostalgia for an age yet to come Nostalgia - Buzzcocks

I agree with Trace on this.    I was very disappointed with this particular "episode".   Takes all kinds I suppose! (VBG!)   Mollie ________________________________ From: Spring Flower <spring.flower@polomint.plus.com> To: Richard Tetley <richard.tetley@virgin.net>; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 31 August 2012, 14:39 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart i personally thought it was the worst ever episode of who do you think youare, i know we like to fleshout the bones of ourancestors but that wasn't family history research at all it was just a documentary about patrick stewart's dad.  i was really looking forward to it too as i'm a bit of a trekkie!! trace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Tetley" <richard.tetley@virgin.net> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > Roy, > > Although I enjoyed the programme, I found myself criticising them for > jumping to conclusions. > > From a newspaper report saying that he was suffering from shell shock > in 1940, they seemed to conclude that the reason he was a wife-beater > was all down to that. > > However, he went on to have much further involvement in the war, indeed > he volunteered for the paras and was promoted to RSM. That doesn't sound > like a man who was suffering from shell shock, post traumatic stress or > whatever you like to call it these days. > > I think it is entirely possible that he was in a marriage that he didn't > really want to be in (he initially joined the army to try to escape his > responsibilities), and that he was happier in the army than out of it. I > think it's true that many men who fought in WW2 just couldn't adapt to > civilian life after all the excitement of wartime service. (Some of them > actually got a buzz out of fighting, and the camaraderie of being > amongst men). A man who had risen to the rank of RSM would be accustomed > to men jumping at his every command. Maybe he couldn't cope with a wife > and kids who didn't blindly obey him. > > I don't think that the programme actually drilled down enough to find > the character of his father (which is really what it was about). > > As with many of these programmes, I was left wanting to know more! I > know that they can only fit so much into an hour, and there are > limitations to how much research they can do with the resources > available. Nevertheless, to jump to a handy conclusion is against my > instincts. > > regards > Richard > > > On 29/08/2012 22:20, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >> I have just watched tonight's episode of Who Do Think You Are? about the >> actor Patrick >> Stewart, born at Mirfield in 1940. >> >> I don't think I have ever seen such a superb and moving programme in this >> entire series > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

i personally thought it was the worst ever episode of who do you think youare, i know we like to fleshout the bones of ourancestors but that wasn't family history research at all it was just a documentary about patrick stewart's dad. i was really looking forward to it too as i'm a bit of a trekkie!! trace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Tetley" <richard.tetley@virgin.net> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] WDYTYA? Patrick Stewart > Roy, > > Although I enjoyed the programme, I found myself criticising them for > jumping to conclusions. > > From a newspaper report saying that he was suffering from shell shock > in 1940, they seemed to conclude that the reason he was a wife-beater > was all down to that. > > However, he went on to have much further involvement in the war, indeed > he volunteered for the paras and was promoted to RSM. That doesn't sound > like a man who was suffering from shell shock, post traumatic stress or > whatever you like to call it these days. > > I think it is entirely possible that he was in a marriage that he didn't > really want to be in (he initially joined the army to try to escape his > responsibilities), and that he was happier in the army than out of it. I > think it's true that many men who fought in WW2 just couldn't adapt to > civilian life after all the excitement of wartime service. (Some of them > actually got a buzz out of fighting, and the camaraderie of being > amongst men). A man who had risen to the rank of RSM would be accustomed > to men jumping at his every command. Maybe he couldn't cope with a wife > and kids who didn't blindly obey him. > > I don't think that the programme actually drilled down enough to find > the character of his father (which is really what it was about). > > As with many of these programmes, I was left wanting to know more! I > know that they can only fit so much into an hour, and there are > limitations to how much research they can do with the resources > available. Nevertheless, to jump to a handy conclusion is against my > instincts. > > regards > Richard > > > On 29/08/2012 22:20, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >> I have just watched tonight's episode of Who Do Think You Are? about the >> actor Patrick >> Stewart, born at Mirfield in 1940. >> >> I don't think I have ever seen such a superb and moving programme in this >> entire series > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >