Wow! That IS good news! All best wishes for a long and happy union. Nancy Yorksgen ummmm... 2005? P S - Do you still have that beautiful little car? On 9/6/2012 6:09 AM, macha wrote: > Wow - Congratulations Steve. All the best to you both. I presume she > is a Yorkshire lass - vbg. > > Fabulous. > > Regards. Macha in NZ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE WILLOTT > Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2012 9:00 p.m. > To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] good news > > Sent with permission of the list owner and Steve. > > Congratulations to Steve Whittaker (of numerous Yorksgen holidays and > Bedlington and Robin Hood's Bay ancestors) who has got engaged to Sheila > Froggat. I'm sure others who know Steve will want to add their > congratulations. We look forward to meeting hopefully Sheila at the next > Yorksgen holiday. > > Chris > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > . >

hiya all, just to let you all know about the annual open day at this lovely church, St Mary's in Birkin N.YKS. Pontefract F.H.Society will be there as normal, to help anyone with interest in the area. Peter, Sonny & myself will have all the publications transcribed so far by members of the Society for sale. http://www.heritageopendays.org.uk/directory/town/birkin open this Saturday 8th Sep from 10am If anyone can't get there but would like a photo taken of a grave please let me know. The Society has transcribed all the graves so have M.I's booklet for sale at only £1.50 www.pontefractfhs.org.uk Maureen

The recent thread on the Faux/Fawkes name, and whether Guy Fawkes actually married or not, stirred my curiosity. David Herber's article on the Gunpowder Plot Society website concerning this alleged marriage points to the only source as being the IGI, http://www.gunpowder-plot.org/fawkesmarriage.asp. Actually, the IGI contains no such alleged marriage, it is contained within a patron-submitted Ancestral File. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MZMK-RB1 The Ancestral File entry, shows that the marriage is presumed to have taken place in 1590 at Scotton. However, Scotton was not a parish, but a township within the parish of Farnham, though Lawton states that there was once a free chapel at Scotton, dedicated to the Virgin Mary, http://archive.org/stream/collectiorerume00ducagoog#page/n603/mode/2up. However, the entry is more precise concerning their son, Thomas Fawkes, which states that he was born (rather than baptised) on the 9 Feb 1591 (presumably 1591/2) at Scotton. What is known for certain is this: Guy Fawkes was baptised at St Michael le Belfry, York, on the 16th April 1570, to Edward Fawkes and Edith, nee Blake.[wiki] Further children were born to Edward and Edith: Anne (b. 1568), who died, aged 7 weeks; Anne (b. 1572), and Elizabeth (b. 1575). [wiki] Edward died in 1579, and several years later Guy's mother remarried, to Dionis Baynbrigge (or Denis Bainbridge) of Scotton (the marriage has not yet been found, but was between April 1587 [when Dionis's first wife was buried] and Feb 1588/9 [a deed from Dionis to his mother, and names his new wife as Edith]) [Pullein, 93-94]. Guy (who was aged 17-19 when his mother remarried) resided with his mother and stepfather at Scotton for a few years [Pullein, 95-104] Guy came of age in 1591, and in October 1591 Guy sold the estate in Clifton that he had inherited from his father.[wiki] Guy's two sisters, Ann and Elizabeth, both married in Scotton. Elizabeth to William Diconson, 29 Jun 1594; and Ann to Henry Kelburne, 30 Oct 1599 http://archive.org/stream/registersoffarnh56farn#page/48/mode/2up Guy was living in Scotton in October 1591 [deed], and in York in Aug 1592 [deed], and left for Flanders in 1593 or 1594 [Pullein, 102]. Pullein: The Pulleyns of Yorkshire, Catherine Pullein, 1915 http://archive.org/stream/pulleynsofyorksh00pull#page/n3/mode/2up Given the above, it is quite possible that Guy married Mary Pulleyn in 1590, and had a child born in Feb 1591/2. However neither of these events occur in the Farnham parish registers (and Scotton, within this parish, was the home of Mary Pulleyn), but, given that they were Catholics this is not at all surprising. The registers of Farnham are conspicuous by the absence of baptisms of the local Catholic families (Pulleyns, Percies). Catholics were being severely persecuted during this period: 1581: 100 marks fines and 1 year impronment for anyone caught attending Mass. 20 pounds a month for not attending the Established church. 1585: An order that all catholic priests should leave the Kingdom, upon pain of death, was issued, and it was declared an act of treason for any to harbour them 1586: Margaret Clithero pressed to death in York for refusing to plead to a charge of harbouring a priest 1586: Another Act empowered the sovereign to seize all the goods, and two-thirds of the real estate, of any Catholic who fell into arrears with their fines (for non-attendance at church) 1588: Spanish Armada gave rise to more Penal laws against Catholics 1592: "Act for the better discovery of wicked and seditious persons terming themselves Catholics, but being rebellious and traitorous subjects" 1593: "An Act for restraining Popish recusants" Catherine Pullein cites several instances where the local Catholics in Scotton and Farnham were married secretly at night in fields by a seminary priest, and had their children baptised likewise, at great risk to themselves [see for example page 113]. So there understandably scant evidence for any marriage between Guy Fawkes and Mary Pulleyn, and for any baptism of any child of theirs. However, it may be possible to prove the negative: 1. Is it likely that Guy married (1590), sold his estate (1591) had a child (1591/2), then immediately left for the Continent to fight in various wars (1593-4)? 2. In 1599 Richard Collinge, a Jesuit Priest, wrote to William Piccioli in Venice, on behalf of Guy Fawkes, in which he said: Good Sir, — I pray you lette me intreate your favoure and frendshippe for my Cosen Germane Mr. Guiydo Fawks, who serves Sir William [Stanley], as I understande he is in greate wante and your worde in his behalfe may stande him in greate steede He hath lefte a prettie livinge here in his countre which his mother, being married to an unthriftie husband since his departure I think hath wastied awaye." This letter, referring to Guy's personal circumstances, makes no reference to him having to support a wife and child. 3. Guy's mother and stepfather were listed as Catholic recusants in 1604 in Scotton, but no Fawkes were listed (where was Mary Fawkes, if she existed?) 4. Several deeds exist concerning Guy's mother and stepfather immediately prior to his execution in 1606, but none make any mention of a wife or son of Guy. It is possible that Guy arranged for his family to move to the Continent for safety prior to the Gunpowder Plot, but I would still have expected them to show up in the wills of their relatives. It is also possible that his wife and child died early, but I would have expected them to show in the burial records. I think, rather than try to reinvent the wheel, recourse should be had to indentifying the identity of the patron that submitted this data to the Ancestral File, who has the Identifier, ovauk1288827 Does anyone have any further evidence to hand? Colin

I seem to have set the fireworks off a bit early..never mind, they are just in time for my B/D ( but I wont be having a bon-fire) Rita in Germany

Roy’s link for this article didn’t work for me, but the following one did: http://www.gunpowder-plot.org/articles.asp John Lindley NRY

Roy you really are a pill. A little tact or diplomacy plus a sense of humour would not go astray. By the way, I have no connection with Mr Fawkes or Rita. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com>; "Rita Effnert" <kessie3@online.de> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] The name Fawkes and the gerrman connection > From: Rita Effnert <kessie3@online.de> > > >> By sheer coincidence I came in touch with someone here in Germany >> who's name is Faux (my Faukes etc connection is in Lincs) and he told >> me >> about him belonging to a group of others who are also researching >> this name here in Germany....they all went to York a few years ago and >> visited the Archives there to find out about their illustrious >> ancestor and they were very helpful. This man I know has a grandson who >> had >> become interested in it as well so I got him a book from England all >> about Guy and he gave a talk about it, in english, in front of his >> school and he received a prize for his efforts....... (no bon-fire >> night here) Rita> > > Believe me, I have no wish to be unkind, Rita, but how I wish I had a > fiver for everyone who > thinks that because they share the same surname with someone famous in > history, then they > must either be descended from or related to that person! > > Firstly, it is a matter of extreme conjecture among historians and > genealogists as to whether > Guy (or Guido) Fawkes ever married and/or had children. It has been > claimed that he > married a woman called MARIA PULLEYN at Scotton about 1590 and that they > had two > children. I would refer you to a very interesting website at > http://web.archive.org/web/20110617064347/http://www.gunpowder-plot.org/news/1998_04/g > fmp.htm > > This contains an article written by one David Herber for the Gunpowder > Plot Society, which is > well worth reading in full because it gives the pros and cons of the > matter and Herber comes > to the conclusion that he found little or no evidence for the claim that > Fawkes married Maria > Pulleyn. The IGI entries are not backed up by authentic sources. > > In general terms, as I said at the start, it is very often a case of > wishful thinking on the part of > gullible people who assume they must be related to a famous historical > figure because they > share the same, or a similar, surname. The number of people who think they > must be > descended from Admiral Horatio Nelson purely because they're called Nelson > probably runs > into four figures! > > What is the evidence of your German friends that they have any connections > to the infamous > Guy Fawkes at all? The chances of there being descended from him are > remote in the > extreme (even if the marriage story is true) and, therefore, it is quite > incorrect to describe him > as an "illustrious ancestor". It is possible there might be a connection > with other members of > the Fawkes family; however, it is by no means certain that everyone of the > Fawkes name > (and the many variants) are related. The name may have arisen > simultaneously in various > parts of the country. All we know for certain about Guy Fawkes is that he > was born in 1570 > and baptised at St Michael-le-Belfry in York and, of course, when he died. > > I suggest you check one or two surname dictionaries such as Reaney & > Wilson and Hanks & > Hodges. Both have full accounts of the origins of the Fawkes name and > numerous variants. I > am sorry if I am pricking a balloon but your German friend really ought to > be more aware of > how we carry out research. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5248 - Release Date: 09/04/12 >

From: "Margaret Gill" <gillmarg@iinet.net.au> > Roy you really are a pill. A little tact or diplomacy plus a sense > of humour would not go astray. By the way, I have no connection with Mr Fawkes > or Rita.> Those who know me well will know that this is about as diplomatic and tactful as I get! I could have been considerably more critical, but I simply explained coherently and in careful terms why I doubt that anyone can be descended from Guy Fawkes because there is no evidence anyone has yet found that I am aware of - in official records, that is - that he ever married or had children. There are apparently IGI entries but according to the article by David Herber, to which I drew attention, these are dubious because there are no sources given (like so many patron-submitted IGI records) that can be authenticated. One anomaly Herber picked up was that while the name of Maria Pulleyn (whose actual first name was Mary) was Latinised, as it would have been in 1590, the name of Guy Fawkes was entered in the modern spelling of the surname, whereas his baptismal record called him FAUXE. I was perfectly genuine when I wrote that I would very much like to know how Rita's German friend can claim to be a descendant (and she used the term "ancestor") of Guy Fawkes or even connected to the Faux/Fauxe family. Maybe his researches have turned up something that everyone else has missed! However, if this is not the case, do you seriously suggest we should let someone go on pursuing an illusive belief without at least questioning it? Isn't speculative debate and questioning the researches of others all part of family history? If not, what are any of us here for? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Chris and all, I have found a similar thing with the Leeds District Probate Registry. I only wish I had had Lin's knowledge prior to ordering through them. It was simply because those were the names at the bottom of the information, so I assumed that it was where I had to apply for those particular wills. Never thought to look at GRO to see. Those are the traps for young players, I guess. How does one find out these things apart from learning from experience? Is there some sort of "Strategies for newcomers" site with this information stockpiled?! After debating for a while on wasting people's space, I have decided to copy into this message what I wrote to Leeds at the end of July. This might help overseas members like myself decide whether or not to take this route. It is a long one, once the postal times are factored in. I am still waiting for my documents, but I expect them fairly soon. Thanks, Lin, for your advice for future reference. Hello I am sending a bit of feedback with this order in the hope that it will be of assistance. I don’t know how many overseas customers you have using your will ordering service, but I should imagine it is quite a number and definitely likely to grow in the future. At this stage, your system is, may I say, very clumsy and off-putting. I shall put it in point form. 1. The bottom line is that an online process, such as GRO uses, would be infinitely better. 2. I found the advice from Fajda over the phone very helpful and thank her again for it! 3. The fact was, though, I had to make a phone call from Australia to clarify a point which related to the costs of my purchases. 4. There is not even an email address to which such a small request could have been addressed. 5. The description of costs is ambiguous: “The fee is £6 for a copy of a grant and/or will…” I ASSUMED that meant for both, if both existed, but it was only an assumption. A lawyer relative reached the same conclusion, i.e. that is was impossible to decide whether I would be paying £6 or £12. 6. This is pertinent, as I needed to know the total cost in order to arrange payment to send with the order forms. Hence, in the absence of any other way to have the question answered (except a week or two by ordinary mail) I had to make the phone call to find out. 7. The forms themselves are of no help, as there is no automatic ongoing cost totalled, as in most online systems, so I couldn’t be reassured that way that I had calculated correctly. 8. Perhaps you are halfway to putting it all online, as the form was such that it could be written on, signed and stored electronically. But that was of no use to anybody, as the money had to be sent, so I still had to print out each of the five forms. 9. It is quite a process to get an international money order, as I discovered yesterday. My bank had the best option, but more expensive. They sent me to the Post Office, who could provide a cheaper service, but it required the £35 go through Western Union, and you would have had to pick up the money at some WU office nearby! To save you this bother, I paid the extra and went back to the bank option, which is enclosed. 10. I do have a cheque account, which I now rarely use, but you will understand that for an overseas customer, cheques are in the wrong currency and would lead to other complications. 11. Hence, what could (should?) have been a simple process, completed in perhaps half an hour or more with 5 orders, became a protracted event involving an international phone call for clarification of your instructions, printing out of 5 forms even though they could be completed online including with my signature, which I didn’t bother with, a lengthy hunt to discover the cheapest but also most helpful method of payment, and finally, today, postage on the whole show, which will not reach you for another week, probably. I hope you can see why I described it initially as clumsy. 12. May I suggest that someone does a “trial run” from the perspective of someone overseas. It is hard to visualise these things if you are not directly having to use the procedure. I hope this has been of some help to you. Thank you for what I am sure (judging by Fajda’s willing attitude) you will do for me with these orders. Yours sincerely, Patsy Crotty 11/88 Addison Street, Elwood, Victoria, Australia 28 July 2012 -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 2:43 AM To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] York registry office Has anyone else had problems with getting certificates from York? I've just tried to order a death certificate. They have no online service. However do they expect people from overseas to use their services? I telephoned and was told that if I wanted to pay on my credit card, only the express service was available on this payment route so the charge was £16. I was not bothered about an express service so was told I could write BUT big snag - they don't take cheques. Payment via this route is £10. The only payment  via the post they accept is postal orders. How archaic is this! Chris ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

By sheer coincidence I came in touch with someone here in Germany who's name is Faux (my Faukes etc connection is in Lincs) and he told me about him belonging to a group of others who are also researching this name here in Germany....they all went to York a few years ago and visited the Archives there to find out about their illustrious ancestor and they were very helpful. This man I know has a grandson who had become interested in it as well so I got him a book from England all about Guy and he gave a talk about it, in english, in front of his school and he received a prize for his efforts....... (no bon-fire night here) Rita

From: Rita Effnert <kessie3@online.de> > By sheer coincidence I came in touch with someone here in Germany > who's name is Faux (my Faukes etc connection is in Lincs) and he told me > about him belonging to a group of others who are also researching > this name here in Germany....they all went to York a few years ago and > visited the Archives there to find out about their illustrious > ancestor and they were very helpful. This man I know has a grandson who had > become interested in it as well so I got him a book from England all > about Guy and he gave a talk about it, in english, in front of his > school and he received a prize for his efforts....... (no bon-fire > night here) Rita> Believe me, I have no wish to be unkind, Rita, but how I wish I had a fiver for everyone who thinks that because they share the same surname with someone famous in history, then they must either be descended from or related to that person! Firstly, it is a matter of extreme conjecture among historians and genealogists as to whether Guy (or Guido) Fawkes ever married and/or had children. It has been claimed that he married a woman called MARIA PULLEYN at Scotton about 1590 and that they had two children. I would refer you to a very interesting website at http://web.archive.org/web/20110617064347/http://www.gunpowder-plot.org/news/1998_04/g fmp.htm This contains an article written by one David Herber for the Gunpowder Plot Society, which is well worth reading in full because it gives the pros and cons of the matter and Herber comes to the conclusion that he found little or no evidence for the claim that Fawkes married Maria Pulleyn. The IGI entries are not backed up by authentic sources. In general terms, as I said at the start, it is very often a case of wishful thinking on the part of gullible people who assume they must be related to a famous historical figure because they share the same, or a similar, surname. The number of people who think they must be descended from Admiral Horatio Nelson purely because they're called Nelson probably runs into four figures! What is the evidence of your German friends that they have any connections to the infamous Guy Fawkes at all? The chances of there being descended from him are remote in the extreme (even if the marriage story is true) and, therefore, it is quite incorrect to describe him as an "illustrious ancestor". It is possible there might be a connection with other members of the Fawkes family; however, it is by no means certain that everyone of the Fawkes name (and the many variants) are related. The name may have arisen simultaneously in various parts of the country. All we know for certain about Guy Fawkes is that he was born in 1570 and baptised at St Michael-le-Belfry in York and, of course, when he died. I suggest you check one or two surname dictionaries such as Reaney & Wilson and Hanks & Hodges. Both have full accounts of the origins of the Fawkes name and numerous variants. I am sorry if I am pricking a balloon but your German friend really ought to be more aware of how we carry out research. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Patsy I suspect there is a little confusion here Wills are handled by the Probate Service completely separate to the birth, marriage and death certificates which are handled by the GRO Wills can be ordered via Probate Offices or from Leeds , theoretically the result should be the same , or from the Principal Probate Registry in London (they have an order over the counter 48 hour service) You can order BMD certs from local offices , some of which appear to steer the customer to the GRO , others are very helpful and could not do more for you Whilst the GRO accept credit card payment and ordering online, most local offices do not and are more expensive plus add post and packing charges It is high time the Probate Service had at the least a method to pay by credit card, they are working on having an online ordering system but its been a loooooooooooong time coming to fruition NB a post to this or any list would have cleared up your questions on costs of wills etc in short order :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/09/2012 02:21, Patsy Crotty wrote: > Hi Chris and all, > > I have found a similar thing with the Leeds District Probate Registry. I > only wish I had had Lin's knowledge prior to ordering through them. It was > simply because those were the names at the bottom of the information, so I > assumed that it was where I had to apply for those particular wills. Never > thought to look at GRO to see. Those are the traps for young players, I > guess. How does one find out these things apart from learning from > experience? Is there some sort of "Strategies for newcomers" site with this > information stockpiled?! >

North Duffield is very close to Bubwith Parish, and I think it would be more likely they went there. It's closer than Skipwith if my memory is working today. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trish Michael" <gosford17@yahoo.com.au> To: <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Northallerton.....? Thanks Victor.....someone is thinking the same as me. Ann's place of birth is given as North Duffield or North Driffield various census...of course neither might be correct but, at this stage, it's a place to start. Unfortunately the film I ordered had a gap right across the time frame I needed hence the look up request. The IGI doesn't help me and I've checked gazeteers for places that "could be" possibles nearer Leyburn/Ainderby Steeple but have drawn a blank.....other than the ones above. I am ordering the Skipwith parish records as North Duffield only has Methodist records filmed so will start with the more likely C of E records first and hope they would have gone to Skipwith to worship. Sometimes we have to prove the negative so at least I'll know where she wasn't baptised/born. Frustrating old hobby eh???? ttfn Trish Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW --- On Mon, 3/9/12, Victor Markham <victor@markham.me.uk> wrote: From: Victor Markham <victor@markham.me.uk> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Northallerton.....? To: Cc: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Received: Monday, 3 September, 2012, 4:49 PM 1851 census gives Thomas Bearpark's birth place as Ainderby Steeple, Durham, England in c1799 and Ann's as North Driffield in c1804. Their first child was born in Leyburn. The 1851 census states this is in Kent! checking the 1881 census it says Yorkshire Genuki states that the Parish records are deposited in North Yorkshire Record Office which is in Northallerton so Trish is on the right track Victor On 03/09/2012 7:25 AM, John Hanson wrote: > Trish > Do not forget that the "of this parish" only relates to the marriage - no > guarantees that they were married there. Do the census returns give an > indication of the place of birth? > > Regards > John Hanson > Researcher, The Halsted Trust www.halstedresearch.org.uk > Family History Conference in 2013 www.exodus2013.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Trish Michael > Sent: 02 September 2012 01:35 > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Northallerton.....? > > Morning everyone. I am still trying to sort out the baptism of Ann KNIGHT > who married Thomas BEARPARK in Finghall in 1827. > > I ordered the film and got a copy of the marriage "certificate" and it > states that they were both "of this parish". > Now I do realise that this might not be the case but I am working through > possibilities so if someone is going to Northallerton and could squeeze in > a > look up for me I would be very grateful. > > She was born about 1802 (give/take 3 years) according to census and her > death notice. Like I said, I ordered the film in and there a huge gap from > 1799 to about 1825.....typical......I've just checked to see if there are > any other filmings and there aren't. > > I've been searching for details of Ann and her parents etc for about 10 > years now so surely I am due for a breakthrough soon!!! > > Many tia's > ttfn > Trish > Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW, Oz > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... 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Hi Chris I can't speak for how York works , but you could use the GRO online certificate service - £9.25 inc postage to order any certificate from any registration district (except recent events within the last 6-18 months where the Local Regster office has to be used) http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp They accept Credit and Debit cards. You have to set up an account, with password, but that is quite painless :) Lin PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 03/09/2012 17:43, CHRISTINE WILLOTT wrote: > Has anyone else had problems with getting certificates from York? I've just tried to order a death certificate. They have no online service. However do they expect people from overseas to use their services? I telephoned and was told that if I wanted to pay on my credit card, only the express service was available on this payment route so the charge was £16. I was not bothered about an express service so was told I could write BUT big snag - they don't take cheques. Payment via this route is £10. The only payment via the post they accept is postal orders. How archaic is this! > > Chris > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am interested in buying the book, Monumental Inscriptions of St. John's Church, Coley, Halifax, Yorkshire, by M. W. Fowler. I saw it at the Coley church when I visited in 2010.  And I have ordered the microfilm copy for the Latter Day Saints, but it is very hard to read.  The film was white print on blue background and I could not read it. If anyone knows where I can purchase a copy, I would be appreciate knowing. Thanks in advance from Canada. Margaret Marion

Has anyone else had problems with getting certificates from York? I've just tried to order a death certificate. They have no online service. However do they expect people from overseas to use their services? I telephoned and was told that if I wanted to pay on my credit card, only the express service was available on this payment route so the charge was £16. I was not bothered about an express service so was told I could write BUT big snag - they don't take cheques. Payment via this route is £10. The only payment  via the post they accept is postal orders. How archaic is this! Chris

I think this point has been covered re Ann's birth place of North Driffield, Whilst it certainly looks like that there is no such place as North Driffield. More likely that it is North Duffield. Lin PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 03/09/2012 07:49, Victor Markham wrote: > 1851 census gives Thomas Bearpark's birth place as Ainderby Steeple, > Durham, England in c1799 > and Ann's as North Driffield in c1804. Their first child was born in > Leyburn. The 1851 census states this is in Kent! checking the 1881 > census it says Yorkshire > Genuki states that the Parish records are deposited in North Yorkshire > Record Office which is in Northallerton so Trish is on the right track > > Victor > > On 03/09/2012 7:25 AM, John Hanson wrote: >> Trish >> Do not forget that the "of this parish" only relates to the marriage - no >> guarantees that they were married there. Do the census returns give an >> indication of the place of birth? >> >> Regards >> John Hanson >> Researcher, The Halsted Trust www.halstedresearch.org.uk >> Family History Conference in 2013 www.exodus2013.co.uk >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Trish Michael >> Sent: 02 September 2012 01:35 >> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Northallerton.....? >> >> Morning everyone. I am still trying to sort out the baptism of Ann KNIGHT >> who married Thomas BEARPARK in Finghall in 1827. >> >> I ordered the film and got a copy of the marriage "certificate" and it >> states that they were both "of this parish". >> Now I do realise that this might not be the case but I am working through >> possibilities so if someone is going to Northallerton and could squeeze in a >> look up for me I would be very grateful. >> >> She was born about 1802 (give/take 3 years) according to census and her >> death notice. Like I said, I ordered the film in and there a huge gap from >> 1799 to about 1825.....typical......I've just checked to see if there are >> any other filmings and there aren't. >> >> I've been searching for details of Ann and her parents etc for about 10 >> years now so surely I am due for a breakthrough soon!!! >> >> Many tia's >> ttfn >> Trish >> Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW, Oz >> >> ..... >> Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; >> www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; >> www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ..... >> Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; >> www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; >> www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Victor.....someone is thinking the same as me.  Ann's place of birth is given as North Duffield or North Driffield various census...of course neither might be correct but, at this stage, it's a place to start.  Unfortunately the film I ordered had a gap right across the time frame I needed hence the look up request. The IGI doesn't help me and I've checked gazeteers for places that "could be" possibles nearer Leyburn/Ainderby Steeple but have drawn a blank.....other than the ones above. I am ordering the Skipwith parish records as North Duffield only has Methodist records filmed so will start with the more likely C of E records first and hope they would have gone to Skipwith to worship. Sometimes we have to prove the negative so at least I'll know where she wasn't baptised/born. Frustrating old hobby eh???? ttfn Trish Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW --- On Mon, 3/9/12, Victor Markham <victor@markham.me.uk> wrote: From: Victor Markham <victor@markham.me.uk> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Northallerton.....? To: Cc: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Received: Monday, 3 September, 2012, 4:49 PM 1851 census gives Thomas Bearpark's birth place as Ainderby Steeple, Durham, England in c1799 and Ann's as North Driffield in c1804. Their first child was born in Leyburn. The 1851 census states this is in Kent! checking the 1881 census it says Yorkshire Genuki states that the Parish records are deposited in North Yorkshire Record Office which is in Northallerton so Trish is on the right track Victor On 03/09/2012 7:25 AM, John Hanson wrote: > Trish > Do not forget that the "of this parish" only relates to the marriage - no > guarantees that they were married there. Do the census returns give an > indication of the place of birth? > > Regards > John Hanson > Researcher, The Halsted Trust www.halstedresearch.org.uk > Family History Conference in 2013 www.exodus2013.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Trish Michael > Sent: 02 September 2012 01:35 > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Northallerton.....? > > Morning everyone.  I am still trying to sort out the baptism of Ann KNIGHT > who married Thomas BEARPARK in Finghall in 1827. > > I ordered the film and got a copy of the marriage "certificate"  and it > states that they were both "of this parish". > Now I do realise that this might not be the case but I am working through > possibilities so if someone is going to Northallerton and could squeeze in a > look up for me I would be very grateful. > > She was born about 1802 (give/take 3 years) according to census and her > death notice.  Like I said, I ordered the film in and there a huge gap from > 1799 to about 1825.....typical......I've just checked to see if there are > any other filmings and there aren't. > > I've been searching for details of Ann and her parents etc for about 10 > years now so surely I am due for a breakthrough soon!!! > > Many tia's > ttfn > Trish > Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW, Oz > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1851 census gives Thomas Bearpark's birth place as Ainderby Steeple, Durham, England in c1799 and Ann's as North Driffield in c1804. Their first child was born in Leyburn. The 1851 census states this is in Kent! checking the 1881 census it says Yorkshire Genuki states that the Parish records are deposited in North Yorkshire Record Office which is in Northallerton so Trish is on the right track Victor On 03/09/2012 7:25 AM, John Hanson wrote: > Trish > Do not forget that the "of this parish" only relates to the marriage - no > guarantees that they were married there. Do the census returns give an > indication of the place of birth? > > Regards > John Hanson > Researcher, The Halsted Trust www.halstedresearch.org.uk > Family History Conference in 2013 www.exodus2013.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Trish Michael > Sent: 02 September 2012 01:35 > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Northallerton.....? > > Morning everyone. I am still trying to sort out the baptism of Ann KNIGHT > who married Thomas BEARPARK in Finghall in 1827. > > I ordered the film and got a copy of the marriage "certificate" and it > states that they were both "of this parish". > Now I do realise that this might not be the case but I am working through > possibilities so if someone is going to Northallerton and could squeeze in a > look up for me I would be very grateful. > > She was born about 1802 (give/take 3 years) according to census and her > death notice. Like I said, I ordered the film in and there a huge gap from > 1799 to about 1825.....typical......I've just checked to see if there are > any other filmings and there aren't. > > I've been searching for details of Ann and her parents etc for about 10 > years now so surely I am due for a breakthrough soon!!! > > Many tia's > ttfn > Trish > Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW, Oz > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Trish Do not forget that the "of this parish" only relates to the marriage - no guarantees that they were married there. Do the census returns give an indication of the place of birth? Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust www.halstedresearch.org.uk Family History Conference in 2013 www.exodus2013.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trish Michael Sent: 02 September 2012 01:35 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Northallerton.....? Morning everyone.  I am still trying to sort out the baptism of Ann KNIGHT who married Thomas BEARPARK in Finghall in 1827. I ordered the film and got a copy of the marriage "certificate"  and it states that they were both "of this parish". Now I do realise that this might not be the case but I am working through possibilities so if someone is going to Northallerton and could squeeze in a look up for me I would be very grateful. She was born about 1802 (give/take 3 years) according to census and her death notice.  Like I said, I ordered the film in and there a huge gap from 1799 to about 1825.....typical......I've just checked to see if there are any other filmings and there aren't. I've been searching for details of Ann and her parents etc for about 10 years now so surely I am due for a breakthrough soon!!! Many tia's ttfn Trish Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW, Oz ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Trish, Happy to go to Northallerton office if you offer to pay the airfare <lol> Sue 1. Is anyone going to Northallerton.....? (Trish Michael)