Thanks Nivard for this. I've found one of mine!! The tip to go forward and backwards as well from the image shown was useful as in my case there were extra images. Lin PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 12/09/2012 13:45, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi all > > A new database which may be of interest to those in Yorkshire (and > elsewhere of course) > > As you can not only search by name but by place names or County with no > names you can search for say Loftus or Brotton to find those from places > your relatives were from, doing this I can recognise several names of > families with connections to mine > > For example a keyword search for Whitby gets 3,102 hits > > ======================== > > Ancestry.com. Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 > [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012. > Original data: Master's Certificates. Greenwich, London, UK: National > Maritime Museum. > > About Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 > > This database contains master and mate certificates issued to merchant > seamen by the British Board of Trade. > > What You May Find in the Records > > Great Britain has long been known for its maritime prowess in both > military and commercial spheres. The certificates and other documents > included in this database were issued to merchant seamen who qualified > as masters or mates aboard merchant ships. Records include certificates > of competency, certificates of service, examination applications, and > other documents. Forms vary, but they may include the following details: > > name > certificate number > birth date > birthplace > issue port > issue date > address > examination date > history of service (dates, vessels, occupations, years in service) > > Some of the information is included on the back of the certificates, and > some documents in a seaman’s folder have not been indexed, so when you > find a record, use the arrows to browse surrounding documents to make > sure you see all the records available. You may want to browse through > an entire roll since the original folders were sometimes filed in random > order. > > >

Hi all A new database which may be of interest to those in Yorkshire (and elsewhere of course) As you can not only search by name but by place names or County with no names you can search for say Loftus or Brotton to find those from places your relatives were from, doing this I can recognise several names of families with connections to mine For example a keyword search for Whitby gets 3,102 hits ======================== Ancestry.com. Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012. Original data: Master's Certificates. Greenwich, London, UK: National Maritime Museum. About Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 This database contains master and mate certificates issued to merchant seamen by the British Board of Trade. What You May Find in the Records Great Britain has long been known for its maritime prowess in both military and commercial spheres. The certificates and other documents included in this database were issued to merchant seamen who qualified as masters or mates aboard merchant ships. Records include certificates of competency, certificates of service, examination applications, and other documents. Forms vary, but they may include the following details: name certificate number birth date birthplace issue port issue date address examination date history of service (dates, vessels, occupations, years in service) Some of the information is included on the back of the certificates, and some documents in a seaman’s folder have not been indexed, so when you find a record, use the arrows to browse surrounding documents to make sure you see all the records available. You may want to browse through an entire roll since the original folders were sometimes filed in random order. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Rob I had a quick google and found http://science.howstuffworks.com/mustard-gas3.htm And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_mustard And http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/agent.html Vile stuff, what they had to suffer in such conditions is quite unimaginable Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/09/2012 23:30, Robert Burns wrote: > Good evening fellow listers, > > Would anyone be aware of any website that lists in fairly plain English the after effects of being subjected to a mustard gas attack please > > Rob

Good evening fellow listers, Would anyone be aware of any website that lists in fairly plain English the after effects of being subjected to a mustard gas attack please Rob

Awwww! Poor, sweet little green car. So sad. I have a picture of you in it somewhere, but Judy Peterson (Yorksgen 2006) emailed her version of it to me. Practical is good... but special is even better. Good thing we have memories, huh? Looking forward to pictures from the wedding, once it has been performed. Nancy On 9/11/2012 9:56 AM, steve.whitaker@dsl.pipex.com wrote: > Quoting Sue Taylor<sutaylor@blueyonder.co.uk>: > >> Congratulations to Sheila and Steve. Hope you can make it to Yorksgen 2013. >> Sue > > I hope so too. We are still sorting things out for the wedding. > > Thanks to everyone for their best wishes. > > She's a mixture, like most of us, part Yorkshire and part Lancashire! But her mother has escaped! > When we have time, we're going to trace her tree. > > And I'm afraid the little car got written off after someone crashed into it; I have something a bit > more practical now. >

Congratulations Steve. Didn't meet at the Olympic Park by any chance did you? Hope to see you at next year's Yorksgen :) Colin -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of steve.whitaker@dsl.pipex.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:56 PM To: Sue Taylor Cc: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] good news Quoting Sue Taylor <sutaylor@blueyonder.co.uk>: > Congratulations to Sheila and Steve. Hope you can make it to Yorksgen 2013. > Sue I hope so too. We are still sorting things out for the wedding. Thanks to everyone for their best wishes. She's a mixture, like most of us, part Yorkshire and part Lancashire! But her mother has escaped! When we have time, we're going to trace her tree. And I'm afraid the little car got written off after someone crashed into it; I have something a bit more practical now. -- Best wishes to all Steve ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Quoting Sue Taylor <sutaylor@blueyonder.co.uk>: > Congratulations to Sheila and Steve. Hope you can make it to Yorksgen 2013. > Sue I hope so too. We are still sorting things out for the wedding. Thanks to everyone for their best wishes. She's a mixture, like most of us, part Yorkshire and part Lancashire! But her mother has escaped! When we have time, we're going to trace her tree. And I'm afraid the little car got written off after someone crashed into it; I have something a bit more practical now. -- Best wishes to all Steve

Sent with the permission of the listowner. The Yorkshire family history societies will be represented at the Who do you think you are? Live exhibition at Olympia next February by the London Group of Family History Societies.  http://www.whodoyouthinkyouarelive.com/ In order to do you all proud we need sponsorship to cover the costs of the stand. If anyone has ideas of where we can get some sponsorship or better still be willing to offer us some....... please let me know. We hope to have a good display, not only from the family history societies, but are arranging for material from the archives to be available. There is also going to be a 'how well do you know Yorkshire' competition with the prize of 2 free nights B&B at Brenda Green's Studley House Farm, home of the Yorkshire Ancestors Family History Research Centre www.yorkshireancestors.com  Lots of other ideas in the pipeline. Do come to Olympia and visit the stand. Chris

Congratulations to Sheila and Steve. Hope you can make it to Yorksgen 2013. Sue On 06/09/2012 09:59, CHRISTINE WILLOTT wrote: > Sent with permission of the list owner and Steve. > > Congratulations to Steve Whittaker (of numerous Yorksgen holidays and Bedlington and Robin Hood's Bay ancestors) who has got engaged to Sheila Froggat. I'm sure others who know Steve will want to add their congratulations. We look forward to meeting hopefully Sheila at the next Yorksgen holiday. > > Chris > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Actually, when this man with the possible Fawkes connecton came to see me his main reason for coming was to give me his condolences regarding the sudden death of my husband who he had known well so of course I wasnt really very interested in this Guy Fawkes information and didnt ask for further details and I havent seen him since...that is many moons ago now but he still keeps in touch at Christmas. Rita in Germany

Congratulations from Dave and I, Steve, well done.   Although I must admit my heart is broken.   I really will have to try to get to Yorksgen next year, fingers crossed. Lorna From: Lynn Lucas <lynnlucas@virginmedia.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] good news To: "'CHRISTINE WILLOTT'" <christine.willott@btopenworld.com>, YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 7, September, 2012, 7:00 AM I agree with Chris, good news, well done Steve. Lynn :) -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: 06 September 2012 10:00 To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] good news Sent with permission of the list owner and Steve. Congratulations to Steve Whittaker (of numerous Yorksgen holidays and Bedlington and Robin Hood's Bay ancestors) who has got engaged to Sheila Froggat. I'm sure others who know Steve will want to add their congratulations. We look forward to meeting hopefully Sheila at the next Yorksgen holiday.  Chris Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to add my congratulations to Steve and Sheila on their engagement - another addition for Steve for his tree soon :o) Best wishes Margaret -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of yorksgen-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 07 September 2012 08:01 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 409 Today's Topics: 1. Re: good news (Lynn Lucas) 2. Re: good news (D J Kay) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 20:00:07 +0100 From: "Lynn Lucas" <lynnlucas@virginmedia.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] good news To: "'CHRISTINE WILLOTT'" <christine.willott@btopenworld.com>, <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000b01cd8c61$d5df7400$819e5c00$@virginmedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree with Chris, good news, well done Steve. Lynn :) -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: 06 September 2012 10:00 To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] good news Sent with permission of the list owner and Steve. Congratulations to Steve Whittaker (of numerous Yorksgen holidays and Bedlington and Robin Hood's Bay ancestors) who has got engaged to Sheila Froggat. I'm sure others who know Steve will want to add their congratulations. We look forward to meeting hopefully Sheila at the next Yorksgen holiday.? Chris ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 16:41:08 +1200 (NZST) From: D J Kay <davlornk@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] good news To: "'CHRISTINE WILLOTT'" <christine.willott@btopenworld.com>, YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com, Lynn Lucas <lynnlucas@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <1346992868.88758.YahooMailClassic@web96001.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Congratulations from?Dave and I,?Steve, well done.?? Although I must admit my heart is broken.?? I really will have to try to get to Yorksgen next year, fingers crossed. Lorna From: Lynn Lucas <lynnlucas@virginmedia.com> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] good news To: "'CHRISTINE WILLOTT'" <christine.willott@btopenworld.com>, YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 7, September, 2012, 7:00 AM I agree with Chris, good news, well done Steve. Lynn :) -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: 06 September 2012 10:00 To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] good news Sent with permission of the list owner and Steve. Congratulations to Steve Whittaker (of numerous Yorksgen holidays and Bedlington and Robin Hood's Bay ancestors) who has got engaged to Sheila Froggat. I'm sure others who know Steve will want to add their congratulations. We look forward to meeting hopefully Sheila at the next Yorksgen holiday.? Chris Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the YORKSGEN list administrator, send an email to YORKSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the YORKSGEN mailing list, send an email to YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 409 ****************************************

In a message dated 06/09/2012 13:31:48 GMT Daylight Time, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com writes: From: Rita Effnert <kessie3@online.de> > I have now done what I should have done in the first place and have > written to the man who told me all about this possible connection. > His grandson has all the details now so I'm hoping he will let me have > it on-line in due course....... watch this space..... Rita in Germany> Thank you, Rita. I hope that when you get the information you will share it with us because this thread has clearly generated some interest, despite what my critic in Australia seems to think! Whether or not Guy Fawkes did indeed marry, have a son and possibly left descendants to this day is a question of huge historical importance and I find it quite astonishing that some people seem to get so touchy when research is questioned. I happen to think there is a vital question here, i.e. should we leave people who may be gullible about their family history to wallow in their own illusions or should we attempt to disillusion them and let them down gently? I was impressed by the fact that your friend in Germany actually went to the Borthwick to do some research but until we know what he learnt there we cannot comment further. I am quite prepared to believe that he does, in fact, descend from the FAUXE (or FAWKES) family but I would need a lot more convincing that Guy Fawkes himself was his ancestor. Could I stress, for the benefit of beginners, that we need to be very careful when we bandy around terms like "ancestor"? An ancestor means, literally, someone who is in the direct line of descent, i.e. in the direct blood line. Someone who was a member of the same family but not in the direct line is properly described as a COLLATERAL ancestor, meaning someone who came from the same family but was not in the direct line. If your German friend descends from someone who, say, was a brother, uncle, cousin or whatever of Guy Fawkes' father Edward, then he would be a collateral descendant. To give an example of what I mean, I myself am very (and I do mean VERY) distantly related to Sir Ernest Shackleton, the famous Antarctic explorer, because we both appear to descend from the marriage at Keighley in 1581 of RODGER SHACLEDEN [sic] and JENET SHARPE. However, I wouldn't dream of claiming him as an ancestor since I once worked out that we are something like 12th cousins eight times removed! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE Hi Roy, I have often wondered whether his actual Family connection Was through one of his brothers with a similar christian name. It is very easy to make a poor copy of a christian name. We shall see no doubt. JUDY ELKINGTON [North Derbyshire] www.elkingtonfamily.com Elkington@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Wow - Congratulations Steve. All the best to you both. I presume she is a Yorkshire lass - vbg. Fabulous. Regards. Macha in NZ -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2012 9:00 p.m. To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] good news Sent with permission of the list owner and Steve. Congratulations to Steve Whittaker (of numerous Yorksgen holidays and Bedlington and Robin Hood's Bay ancestors) who has got engaged to Sheila Froggat. I'm sure others who know Steve will want to add their congratulations. We look forward to meeting hopefully Sheila at the next Yorksgen holiday.  Chris ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Chris, good news, well done Steve. Lynn :) -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: 06 September 2012 10:00 To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] good news Sent with permission of the list owner and Steve. Congratulations to Steve Whittaker (of numerous Yorksgen holidays and Bedlington and Robin Hood's Bay ancestors) who has got engaged to Sheila Froggat. I'm sure others who know Steve will want to add their congratulations. We look forward to meeting hopefully Sheila at the next Yorksgen holiday.  Chris ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: Rita Effnert <kessie3@online.de> > I have now done what I should have done in the first place and have > written to the man who told me all about this possible connection. > His grandson has all the details now so I'm hoping he will let me have > it on-line in due course....... watch this space..... Rita in Germany> Thank you, Rita. I hope that when you get the information you will share it with us because this thread has clearly generated some interest, despite what my critic in Australia seems to think! Whether or not Guy Fawkes did indeed marry, have a son and possibly left descendants to this day is a question of huge historical importance and I find it quite astonishing that some people seem to get so touchy when research is questioned. I happen to think there is a vital question here, i.e. should we leave people who may be gullible about their family history to wallow in their own illusions or should we attempt to disillusion them and let them down gently? I was impressed by the fact that your friend in Germany actually went to the Borthwick to do some research but until we know what he learnt there we cannot comment further. I am quite prepared to believe that he does, in fact, descend from the FAUXE (or FAWKES) family but I would need a lot more convincing that Guy Fawkes himself was his ancestor. Could I stress, for the benefit of beginners, that we need to be very careful when we bandy around terms like "ancestor"? An ancestor means, literally, someone who is in the direct line of descent, i.e. in the direct blood line. Someone who was a member of the same family but not in the direct line is properly described as a COLLATERAL ancestor, meaning someone who came from the same family but was not in the direct line. If your German friend descends from someone who, say, was a brother, uncle, cousin or whatever of Guy Fawkes' father Edward, then he would be a collateral descendant. To give an example of what I mean, I myself am very (and I do mean VERY) distantly related to Sir Ernest Shackleton, the famous Antarctic explorer, because we both appear to descend from the marriage at Keighley in 1581 of RODGER SHACLEDEN [sic] and JENET SHARPE. However, I wouldn't dream of claiming him as an ancestor since I once worked out that we are something like 12th cousins eight times removed! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Colin B. Withers" <Colin.Withers@eumetsat.int> > The recent thread on the Faux/Fawkes name, and whether Guy Fawkes > actually married or not, stirred my curiosity. > > David Herber's article on the Gunpowder Plot Society website > concerning this alleged marriage points to the only source as being > the IGI, http://www.gunpowder-plot.org/fawkesmarriage.asp. Actually, > the IGI contains no such alleged marriage, it is contained within a > patron-submitted Ancestral File. > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MZMK-RB1 > > The Ancestral File entry, shows that the marriage is presumed to > have taken place in 1590 at Scotton. However, Scotton was not a > parish, but a township within the parish of Farnham, though Lawton > states that there was once a free chapel at Scotton, dedicated to > the Virgin Mary, > http://archive.org/stream/collectiorerume00ducagoog#page/n603/mode/2 > up. However, the entry is more precise concerning their son, Thomas > Fawkes, which states that he was born (rather than baptised) on the > 9 Feb 1591 (presumably 1591/2) at Scotton. > > What is known for certain is this: > > Guy Fawkes was baptised at St Michael le Belfry, York, on the 16th > April 1570, to Edward Fawkes and Edith, nee Blake.[wiki] > Further children were born to Edward and Edith: Anne (b. 1568), who > died, aged 7 weeks; Anne (b. 1572), and Elizabeth (b. 1575). > [wiki] > Edward died in 1579, and several years later Guy's mother remarried, > to Dionis Baynbrigge (or Denis Bainbridge) of Scotton (the marriage > has not yet been found, but was between April 1587 [when Dionis's > first wife was buried] and Feb 1588/9 [a deed from Dionis to his > mother, and names his new wife as Edith]) [Pullein, 93-94]. > Guy (who was aged 17-19 when his mother remarried) resided with his > mother and stepfather at Scotton for a few years [Pullein, 95-104] > Guy came of age in 1591, and in October 1591 Guy sold the estate in > Clifton that he had inherited from his father.[wiki] > Guy's two sisters, Ann and Elizabeth, both married in Scotton. > Elizabeth to William Diconson, 29 Jun 1594; and Ann to Henry > Kelburne, 30 Oct 1599 > http://archive.org/stream/registersoffarnh56farn#page/48/mode/2up > > Guy was living in Scotton in October 1591 [deed], and in York in Aug > 1592 [deed], and left for Flanders in 1593 or 1594 [Pullein, 102]. > > Pullein: The Pulleyns of Yorkshire, Catherine Pullein, 1915 > http://archive.org/stream/pulleynsofyorksh00pull#page/n3/mode/2up > > Given the above, it is quite possible that Guy married Mary Pulleyn > in 1590, and had a child born in Feb 1591/2. However neither of > these events occur in the Farnham parish registers (and Scotton, > within this parish, was the home of Mary Pulleyn), but, given that > they were Catholics this is not at all surprising. The registers of > Farnham are conspicuous by the absence of baptisms of the local > Catholic families (Pulleyns, Percies). Catholics were being severely > persecuted during this period: > > 1581: 100 marks fines and 1 year impronment for anyone caught > attending Mass. 20 pounds a month for not attending the Established > church. > 1585: An order that all catholic priests should leave the Kingdom, > upon pain of death, was issued, and it was declared an act of > treason for any to harbour them > 1586: Margaret Clithero pressed to death in York for refusing to > plead to a charge of harbouring a priest > 1586: Another Act empowered the sovereign to seize all the goods, > and two-thirds of the real estate, of any Catholic who fell into > arrears with their fines (for non-attendance at church) > 1588: Spanish Armada gave rise to more Penal laws against > Catholics > 1592: "Act for the better discovery of wicked and seditious persons > terming themselves Catholics, but being rebellious and traitorous > subjects" > 1593: "An Act for restraining Popish recusants" > > Catherine Pullein cites several instances where the local Catholics > in Scotton and Farnham were married secretly at night in fields by a > seminary priest, and had their children baptised likewise, at great > risk to themselves [see for example page 113]. > > So there understandably scant evidence for any marriage between Guy > Fawkes and Mary Pulleyn, and for any baptism of any child of theirs. > However, it may be possible to prove the negative: > > 1. Is it likely that Guy married (1590), sold his estate (1591) had > a child (1591/2), then immediately left for the Continent to fight > in various wars (1593-4)? > 2. In 1599 Richard Collinge, a Jesuit Priest, wrote to William > Piccioli in Venice, on behalf of Guy Fawkes, in which he said: > > Good Sir, - > I pray you lette me intreate your favoure and frendshippe for my > Cosen Germane Mr. Guiydo Fawks, who serves Sir William [Stanley], as > I understande he is in greate wante and your worde in his behalfe > may stande him in greate steede > He hath lefte a prettie livinge here in his countre which his > mother, being married to an unthriftie husband since his departure I > think hath wastied awaye." > > This letter, referring to Guy's personal circumstances, makes no > reference to him having to support a wife and child. > > 3. Guy's mother and stepfather were listed as Catholic recusants in > 1604 in Scotton, but no Fawkes were listed (where was Mary Fawkes, > if she existed?) > > 4. Several deeds exist concerning Guy's mother and stepfather > immediately prior to his execution in 1606, but none make any > mention of a wife or son of Guy. > > It is possible that Guy arranged for his family to move to the > Continent for safety prior to the Gunpowder Plot, but I would still > have expected them to show up in the wills of their relatives. It is > also possible that his wife and child died early, but I would have > expected them to show in the burial records. > > I think, rather than try to reinvent the wheel, recourse should be > had to indentifying the identity of the patron that submitted this > data to the Ancestral File, who has the Identifier, ovauk1288827 > > Does anyone have any further evidence to hand? > > Colin> Thanks, Colin, for that excellent exposition. I tend to agree with you that it is quite possible Guy Fawkes did marry in secret and that no official record ever appeared because of the persecution of Catholic recusants. However, if the couple had a son you would then have to prove that Thomas also married and left descendants before allowing any line to the present day. Personally, I tend to doubt that even if we could identify the patron submitter to the IGI he/she would have much to add. As some of us know, some (and I do not say all) members of the LSD Church were very gullible and submitted anything that came to hand. The old IGI - and this is my favourite entry - even had the Norse god Odin/Woden on it and his wife MRS ODIN! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I have been following the thread about Guy Fawkes and had a look at the York Freemen's Rolls. There were Freemen with the name of Fawkes, no other spelling. The earliest was Willemus Fawkes in 1400 and others going through to 1669 At present I have no more information on them, but I may have later in the year. June York Gild of Freemen www.freemenofyork.org Family Historian to Dunnington Through The Ages www.dunningtonhistory.org.uk York Festival Trust www.yorkmysteryplays.co.uk

I have now done what I should have done in the first place and have written to the man who told me all about this possible connection. His grandson has all the details now so I'm hoping he will let me have it on-line in due course....... watch this space..... Rita in Germany

Sent with permission of the list owner and Steve. Congratulations to Steve Whittaker (of numerous Yorksgen holidays and Bedlington and Robin Hood's Bay ancestors) who has got engaged to Sheila Froggat. I'm sure others who know Steve will want to add their congratulations. We look forward to meeting hopefully Sheila at the next Yorksgen holiday.  Chris