In message <50489769.31859.54C794@roy.stockdill.btinternet.com>, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com writes >Could I stress, for the benefit of beginners, that we need to be very >careful when we bandy >around terms like "ancestor"? An ancestor means, literally, someone who >is in the direct line >of descent, i.e. in the direct blood line. Someone who was a member of >the same family but >not in the direct line is properly described as a COLLATERAL ancestor, >meaning someone >who came from the same family but was not in the direct line. But because the number of people in the world is limited, we must all share ancestors at some stage? John -- John Rouse

Dec 1/4 1887 Louisa Kay (dob 22.06.1858) or Sophia BENSON m either Richard Wells or Robert Henry Fletcher Richard WELLS is with wife Sophia in 1891 so looking for Louia and Robert FLETCHER found them in Horwich, Lancs (transcribed as Robert W) Jun1/4 1904 Emily Kay (22.07.1855) or Mary Ann EDWARDS m George Howard or Herbert King 1911 census has George and Mary Ann HOWARD so looking for Emily and Herbert KING - and couldn't find anyone! Lin PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 13/09/2012 17:19, Lin wrote: > Dec 1/4 1887 Louisa Kay (dob 22.06.1858) m either Richard Wells or Robert Henry Fletcher > >

Hi Chris Armed with information from FreeBMD I've found it's usually fairly easy to determine who someone married purely by searching the censuses . Eg Frederick William Jackson married either Harriet BARKER or Laura KAY (You need to note both couples not just possible husbands) The 1911 cenus has Henry Jonathan LISTER in Harrogate with wife Harriett. So I think it's safe to say that Laura married Frederick William JACKSON. So to confirm.... Looking at the 1901 census Laura JACKSON is with her husband Frederick W and for good measure Laura's mother Mary KAY is with them. Mar 1/4 1890 Annie Maria Kay (dob 15.04.1865) or Rachel SMITH m Walter Peart or James Thornber 1901 census: James Thornber is with Rachel. Therefore Annie married Walter PEART Just do the same for the other two couples. Good luck Lin CHRISTINE WILLOTT wrote: > > > Dec 1/4 1887 Louisa Kay (dob 22.06.1858) m either Richard Wells or Robert Henry Fletcher > > Mar 1/4 1890 Annie Maria Kay (dob 15.04.1865) m Walter Peart or James Thornber > > Dec 1/4 1890 Laura Kay (dob 09.12.1870) m Henry Jonathan Lister or Frederick William Jackson > > Jun1/4 1904 Emily Kay (22.07.1855) m George Howard or Herbert King > > Is anyone able to confirm who they actually married please? I can then ask Wakefield if they were admitted to a mental health asylum. > > Many thanks > > Chris > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire?http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org;www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com;www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toYORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have Ellen buried from St. Peter's in Birstal, Yorkshire in 1824. Six years later, her husband died and was buried from Christ Church in Birstal. My question is - did the two churches share a cemetery? I have searched the Internet for the answer and come up empty. Thanks for any help. Carole

Hello Yorkins I have Windows 7 installed on my computer but I can no longer read the CDs put out by the LDS church eg the Australian Vital Records Index 1788-1905. The packet says it can be read by Windows 3.1 or better but obviously version 7 is too much better Does anyone know of a program I may be able to download (and where can I download it from) which will allow me to read these files again Many thanks Caroline

Is anyone going to Northallerton please and would be able to do a look up for me? This is the continuing saga of Emily Lee nee Chatterton. Her hospital notes say that there was an aunt with a similar condition. The Kay aunts from Emily's mother's side all seem to have married, so I need to know their married names. These ladies were all the daughters of Richard and Mary Kay I have the birth certificates so have the dates of birth. Freebmd has potential marriages for all of them, but gives a choice of 2 names as husbands. The registration district was Knaresborough. They probably married in St John's but may have been in Holy Trinity. In the 1890s the family were living in Gracious Street which I think came into the new parish of Holy Trinity Dec 1/4 1887 Louisa Kay (dob 22.06.1858) m either Richard Wells or Robert Henry Fletcher Mar  1/4 1890 Annie Maria Kay (dob 15.04.1865) m Walter Peart or James Thornber Dec 1/4 1890 Laura Kay (dob 09.12.1870) m Henry Jonathan Lister or Frederick William Jackson Jun1/4 1904 Emily Kay (22.07.1855) m George Howard or Herbert King Is anyone able to confirm who they actually married please? I can then ask Wakefield if they were admitted to a mental health asylum. Many thanks Chris

Hi again First of all the reverse was not originally scanned by or for the National Archives But Ancestry have scanned both front *and* back of them and they are available on Ancestry Clearly I have never sat down and gone through them all but was informed some years ago that roughly 2% of the cards had something on the reverse and from my own experience I would agree with that Mostly the reverse has a note of forwarding address but may have other snippets on, very useful but few and far between Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I seem to recall being told at the SoG that something like 20 per cent of the medal cards had > additional info on the back, but it's some time ago now and maybe I mishead the figure by a > factor of ten! I don't imagine we will ever see them again because, as you know, they were > accepted by the Western Front Association and are now stored in a secret vault or some > such place. > > - - > Roy Stockdill

From: Lin <dml5481@hotmail.com> > I think you will find that the back of the certificate has been > digitised. As Nivard said in his original post, and for which I > thanked him, you need to go back and forwards from the image that appears to > get the rest of the details. My guy had 4 sheets - the front and back > of the certificate and the front and back of the application.> Thanks, I only had a quick look yesterday. I must look again. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > When you say copied, do you mean transcribed? > > Most records have more detail in the image than in the transcript, > that applies to most sites I find > > It was the National Archives that didn't scan the backs of the medal > cards, Ancestry have them although only approximately 2% of medal > cards have anything extra on the other part> I seem to recall being told at the SoG that something like 20 per cent of the medal cards had additional info on the back, but it's some time ago now and maybe I mishead the figure by a factor of ten! I don't imagine we will ever see them again because, as you know, they were accepted by the Western Front Association and are now stored in a secret vault or some such place. - - Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Caroline I haven't used this for years. it must be over 10 years since I did. Any way I got my CD's out and installed the resource file viewer 4.0 That was installed with no problems but on opening it a message appeared saying it is downloading a patch from MS. This was downloaded. On inserting another CD I get messages about a run time error. Looks as if mine does not work on Windows 7 The instructions give an email address for help which is help@productssupport.familysearch.org That said, if I recall correctly, these CD's are no longer available as all the details are now on the LDS web site which is more up to date. Victor On 13/09/2012 5:34 AM, Caroline Gaden wrote: > Hello Yorkins > I have Windows 7 installed on my computer but I can no longer read the > CDs put out by the LDS church eg the Australian Vital Records Index > 1788-1905. > The packet says it can be read by Windows 3.1 or better but obviously > version 7 is too much better > Does anyone know of a program I may be able to download (and where can I > download it from) which will allow me to read these files again > Many thanks > Caroline > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As I have already explained to Carole Offlist I shall explain here as well. The resource file viewer will not work with 64 bit machines and the LDS or the company they used to make the resource file viewer have said there will be no patch for people to use disks that require it. However that is not the end of things. If you have the option of running your pc in 32 bit witin win 7 then you can still use these files. If you have Win7 Pro or Enterprise you can use the built in WinXP emulator and run these disks. If like myself you only have the home version then it isn't possible. Now if you are technically minded and hold a copy of WinXP then you can download standalone XP emulators and when you run these they install a virtual XP machine using the XP set up disk. Its very long winded and a pain to do. It has been suggested over the last couple of years that we should all complain to the LDS however I doubt they really care Rob -----Original Message----- From: Victor Markham <victor@markham.me.uk> Cc: Yorksgen <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:20 am Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Windows 3.1 or 7 query Caroline I haven't used this for years. it must be over 10 years since I did. Any way I got my CD's out and installed the resource file viewer 4.0 That was installed with no problems but on opening it a message appeared saying it is downloading a patch from MS. This was downloaded. On inserting another CD I get messages about a run time error. Looks as if mine does not work on Windows 7 The instructions give an email address for help which is help@productssupport.familysearch.org That said, if I recall correctly, these CD's are no longer available as all the details are now on the LDS web site which is more up to date. Victor On 13/09/2012 5:34 AM, Caroline Gaden wrote: > Hello Yorkins > I have Windows 7 installed on my computer but I can no longer read the > CDs put out by the LDS church eg the Australian Vital Records Index > 1788-1905. > The packet says it can be read by Windows 3.1 or better but obviously > version 7 is too much better > Does anyone know of a program I may be able to download (and where can I > download it from) which will allow me to read these files again > Many thanks > Caroline > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If anyone is going to visit The Treasure House at Beverley I would be very grateful for a look up.   On 28th Aug. 1791 a child of John and Sarah TINDLE was buried at St Nicholas Church, North Newbald.. If anyone could spare the time to look for the christian name of this child it would be much appreciated.   Many thanks, Maureen

OOH! Just the thing for the long, dark nights as they draw in now :-( thank you! Jane -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:45 PM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] New release on Ancestry - Masters and Mates Certificates,1850-1927 Hi all A new database which may be of interest to those in Yorkshire (and elsewhere of course) As you can not only search by name but by place names or County with no names you can search for say Loftus or Brotton to find those from places your relatives were from, doing this I can recognise several names of families with connections to mine For example a keyword search for Whitby gets 3,102 hits ======================== Ancestry.com. Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012. Original data: Master's Certificates. Greenwich, London, UK: National Maritime Museum. About Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 This database contains master and mate certificates issued to merchant seamen by the British Board of Trade. What You May Find in the Records Great Britain has long been known for its maritime prowess in both military and commercial spheres. The certificates and other documents included in this database were issued to merchant seamen who qualified as masters or mates aboard merchant ships. Records include certificates of competency, certificates of service, examination applications, and other documents. Forms vary, but they may include the following details: name certificate number birth date birthplace issue port issue date address examination date history of service (dates, vessels, occupations, years in service) Some of the information is included on the back of the certificates, and some documents in a seaman’s folder have not been indexed, so when you find a record, use the arrows to browse surrounding documents to make sure you see all the records available. You may want to browse through an entire roll since the original folders were sometimes filed in random order. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think you will find that the back of the certificate has been digitised. As Nivard said in his original post, and for which I thanked him, you need to go back and forwards from the image that appears to get the rest of the details. My guy had 4 sheets - the front and back of the certificate and the front and back of the application. Lin PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 12/09/2012 20:18, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > >> Hi Roy >> >> There are four certificates of competence in the latest release on >> Ancestry for Thomas Herbert WORSNOP >> >> Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 >> >> 1885 2nd mate >> >> 1887 1st mate >> >> 1888 also 1st mate >> >> 1889 Master >> >> Usually there are some more details of the ships he served on, on >> the reverse of the certificates >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 12/09/2012 18:12, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: >>> In the course of researching my Worsnop family in Halifax I've >> come across one of those odd cases where a man was enumerated twice in a census in places 200 >> miles apart! These instances are not exactly unknown but this one is interesting >> because the 1901 census has him in Halifax and also in London. >>> Thomas H WORSNOP (his middle name was Herbert), single, 35, a >> master mariner, born Halifax 1865, appears in Savile Terrace, Halifax, with his parents >> Charles P and Susanna Worsnop. However, the same census puts him in London at the Gower >> Hotel, Euston Road, St Pancras. There is no doubt it was the same man because all >> details are identical, i.e. forenames and surname, age, occupation, marital condition, date >> and place of birth, etc.> > Many thanks, Nivard. I went onto the new Ancestry website after I saw your message and > found the details of Thomas Herbert Worsnop. He seems to have operated out of > Sunderland. It's a pity Ancestry don't seem to have digitised the details on the back of the > certificate, in the same way that there are apparently lots of WW1 medal cards with other > details on the reverse side that don't seem to have been copied either. > > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

When you say copied, do you mean transcribed? Most records have more detail in the image than in the transcript, that applies to most sites I find It was the National Archives that didn't scan the backs of the medal cards, Ancestry have them although only approximately 2% of medal cards have anything extra on the other part Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Many thanks, Nivard. I went onto the new Ancestry website after I saw your message and > found the details of Thomas Herbert Worsnop. He seems to have operated out of > Sunderland. It's a pity Ancestry don't seem to have digitised the details on the back of the > certificate, in the same way that there are apparently lots of WW1 medal cards with other > details on the reverse side that don't seem to have been copied either. > > > -- > Roy Stockdill

Hi Lin Foreign and Coastal are the only things I can think of but try asking on the Mariners list and I am sure someone will be able to tell you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) As to easy, surely we would not want it any other way but difficult <g> On 12/09/2012 20:12, Lin wrote: > With regard to the database - what do the initials F or C refer to with > regard to trade in column 37? >

From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Hi Roy > > There are four certificates of competence in the latest release on > Ancestry for Thomas Herbert WORSNOP > > Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 > > 1885 2nd mate > > 1887 1st mate > > 1888 also 1st mate > > 1889 Master > > Usually there are some more details of the ships he served on, on > the reverse of the certificates > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 12/09/2012 18:12, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > > In the course of researching my Worsnop family in Halifax I've > come across one of those odd cases where a man was enumerated twice in a census in places 200 > miles apart! These instances are not exactly unknown but this one is interesting > because the 1901 census has him in Halifax and also in London. > > > > Thomas H WORSNOP (his middle name was Herbert), single, 35, a > master mariner, born Halifax 1865, appears in Savile Terrace, Halifax, with his parents > Charles P and Susanna Worsnop. However, the same census puts him in London at the Gower > Hotel, Euston Road, St Pancras. There is no doubt it was the same man because all > details are identical, i.e. forenames and surname, age, occupation, marital condition, date > and place of birth, etc.> Many thanks, Nivard. I went onto the new Ancestry website after I saw your message and found the details of Thomas Herbert Worsnop. He seems to have operated out of Sunderland. It's a pity Ancestry don't seem to have digitised the details on the back of the certificate, in the same way that there are apparently lots of WW1 medal cards with other details on the reverse side that don't seem to have been copied either. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

With regard to the database - what do the initials F or C refer to with regard to trade in column 37? Annoyed that my man went to sea 3 days before the 1891 census was taken (nothing in the database for him after 1891), He last appeared on 1881 census. He died in 1916 and was spotted in US just before his death so goodness only knows where he was between 1891 and 1916 apart from being 'at sea' I presume since he was a naval chap. Why did they make it hard for us? Lin PLEASE REMOVE NAMES & email ADDRESSES BEFORE FORWARDING. USE THE Bcc BOX FOR YOUR NAMES & ADDRESSES WHICH WILL HELP ELIMINATE UNWANTED EMAILS On 12/09/2012 13:45, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi all > > A new database which may be of interest to those in Yorkshire (and > elsewhere of course) > > As you can not only search by name but by place names or County with no > names you can search for say Loftus or Brotton to find those from places > your relatives were from, doing this I can recognise several names of > families with connections to mine > > For example a keyword search for Whitby gets 3,102 hits > > ======================== > > Ancestry.com. Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 > [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012. > Original data: Master's Certificates. Greenwich, London, UK: National > Maritime Museum. > > About Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 > > This database contains master and mate certificates issued to merchant > seamen by the British Board of Trade. > > What You May Find in the Records > > Great Britain has long been known for its maritime prowess in both > military and commercial spheres. The certificates and other documents > included in this database were issued to merchant seamen who qualified > as masters or mates aboard merchant ships. Records include certificates > of competency, certificates of service, examination applications, and > other documents. Forms vary, but they may include the following details: > > name > certificate number > birth date > birthplace > issue port > issue date > address > examination date > history of service (dates, vessels, occupations, years in service) > > Some of the information is included on the back of the certificates, and > some documents in a seaman’s folder have not been indexed, so when you > find a record, use the arrows to browse surrounding documents to make > sure you see all the records available. You may want to browse through > an entire roll since the original folders were sometimes filed in random > order. > > >

Hi Roy There are four certificates of competence in the latest release on Ancestry for Thomas Herbert WORSNOP Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 1885 2nd mate 1887 1st mate 1888 also 1st mate 1889 Master Usually there are some more details of the ships he served on, on the reverse of the certificates Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/09/2012 18:12, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > In the course of researching my Worsnop family in Halifax I've come across one of those odd > cases where a man was enumerated twice in a census in places 200 miles apart! These > instances are not exactly unknown but this one is interesting because the 1901 census has > him in Halifax and also in London. > > Thomas H WORSNOP (his middle name was Herbert), single, 35, a master mariner, born > Halifax 1865, appears in Savile Terrace, Halifax, with his parents Charles P and Susanna > Worsnop. However, the same census puts him in London at the Gower Hotel, Euston Road, > St Pancras. There is no doubt it was the same man because all details are identical, i.e. > forenames and surname, age, occupation, marital condition, date and place of birth, etc.

In the course of researching my Worsnop family in Halifax I've come across one of those odd cases where a man was enumerated twice in a census in places 200 miles apart! These instances are not exactly unknown but this one is interesting because the 1901 census has him in Halifax and also in London. Thomas H WORSNOP (his middle name was Herbert), single, 35, a master mariner, born Halifax 1865, appears in Savile Terrace, Halifax, with his parents Charles P and Susanna Worsnop. However, the same census puts him in London at the Gower Hotel, Euston Road, St Pancras. There is no doubt it was the same man because all details are identical, i.e. forenames and surname, age, occupation, marital condition, date and place of birth, etc. Interestingly, Thomas gave the Gower Hotel as his address on the marriage certificate when he married an older woman, Annie Turner, a widow, at St Pancras in 1906. It sounds as if it was his regular London bolt-hole. If there is anyone at all - especially on the Halifax list - who is researching this particular WORSNOP family I've love to hear from you because they have been driving me nuts for years!!! They descend from a Charles Henry Porter Worsnop who was born about 1839/40 at Kirbymoorside, according to most of the censuses. He married Susanna Ruth LISTER of Shelf at st John's Parish Church, Halifax, in Dec 1860. They both lived to a ripe old age and had 11 children according to the 1911 census, 8 of them then still living. The Worsnops were probably well known in Halifax because Charles was an acetate lamp manufacturer at Cheapside Halifax and one of his sons had a toy dealing business nearby. One of the sons, John Edgar Worsnop, 18, was killed in a disastrous explosion at one of the works in 1890, of which I have newspaper reports. In most censuses they were in the posh Savile Park area, so presumably were not short of a bob or two. Charles Porter Worsnop, the father of the family, is one of those enigmas that drive family historians bonkers because I've spent years trying to find out who he was! He appears in the 1841 census as Charles Porter, aged 2, living with my gt-gt-grandparents Thomas Worsnop, a policeman, and Jane Worsnop at Scarborough (no relationship given, of course). In 1851 he has become Thomas & Jane's grandson, his marriage certificate calls him Charles Henry Porter but no father is shown, however an announcement in the Scarborough Mercury (almost certainly inserted by Thomas) calls him Charles Porter Worsnop. I won't bore you with all the details but some of their children were registered at birth as Worsnop, some as Porter and some as Worsnop-Porter. When Thomas Worsnop sr died in 1872 he made Charles Porter Worsnop his executor and in his will Thomas revealed that his real name was John Henry Porter and he was Thomas's adopted son. They were obviously close because Charles P Worsnop paid for Thomas's grave in Scarborough Cemetery. As I say, I've spent some years trying to discover who Charles Porter Worsnop was. The best lead I've got is a parish register entry from Kirkdale, near Kirbymoorside, of the birth of a John Henry Porter to an unmarried woman, Jane Porter, in 1839. There was a single woman called Jane Porter in the 1841 census of Scarborough living not far from Thomas Worsnop, but I lose her after that. I can't help wondering if Thomas the police officer met Jane on his beat and had a bit of a ding-dong, which could make him the actual father of Charles Porter Worsnop but I'll never prove it. The whole family history of this particular Worsnop clan is so convoluted that it hardly came as a surprise to find that one of them was enumerated twice in places 200 miles apart in 1901! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE